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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    ok will do
    Somehow every time you do my R/P goes up... So, please continue the buttsore rage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somedude76 View Post
    Dude, the type of liberalism you are eluding to is not the same as the term used to describe people left of center.

    Liberal is such a terrible term for left-wingers. So is progressive. Hmmm, what would be better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raketefrau View Post
    The people using the word to refer to people left of center are using it incorrectly, and completely denigrating the political theory our country was founded on, while telling us that they understand it.

    Which they don't.

    But they're strict Constitutionalists. You know, God and all.
    Considering how the whole Western capitalistic world (except for the US) learned how to differentiate between Social Liberalism and [classic] Liberalism, and tends to refer to the former post-New Deal when speaking of "liberal", your discussions here have quite the appealing archaic character; gotta put'em into an anthropologic museum or somesuch.

    Edit@Rakete: In that regard your teabeggers and co. actually use the word "liberal" in a quite modern way; but it's true nontheless that they don't know what they're talking about either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaclypse View Post
    In that regard your teabeggers and co. actually use the word "liberal" in a quite modern way; but it's true nontheless that they don't know what they're talking about either way.
    For instance, anybody who refers to Obama as a 'socialist' is so full of shit they need Roto-Rooter on speed dial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller View Post
    For instance, anybody who refers to Obama as a 'socialist' is so full of shit they need Roto-Rooter on speed dial.
    You mean like Sarah Palin? Who is from the only state in the entire USA that takes private company, state located natural resources (oil) and distributes fund profits to every citizen in the state?

    I mean it couldn't possibly be TRUE, could it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

    Edit: liberal, conservative, left, right - roses by any other names are the still the same. There are people who care about other people, and legislate accordingly. There are people who are innately selfish, and legislate accordingly. Strangely enough it always seems to be the people who believe in Jesus "the most" who legislate based on selfishness. It doesn't matter what you call them or who they were 100 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Schwartzski View Post
    You mean like Sarah Palin? Who is from the only state in the entire USA that takes private company, state located natural resources (oil) and distributes fund profits to every citizen in the state?

    I mean it couldn't possibly be TRUE, could it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

    Edit: liberal, conservative, left, right - roses by any other names are the still the same. There are people who care about other people, and legislate accordingly. There are people who are innately selfish, and legislate accordingly. Strangely enough it always seems to be the people who believe in Jesus "the most" who legislate based on selfishness. It doesn't matter what you call them or who they were 100 years ago.
    She's not a socialist, she's a maverick. Big difference.

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    She set out to change the world, and she succeeded.


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    Disapproval of President Obamaís handling of the economy is heading higher ó alongside gasoline prices ó as a record number of Americans now give the president ďstronglyĒ negative reviews on the 2012 presidential campaignís most important issue, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
    dont worry tho! WaPost/ABC must be biased in favor of the GOP, just like Rasmussen!

    In other shocking news..

    President Obama's national health care law will cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, according to a new projection released today by the Congressional Budget Office, rather than the $940 billion forecast when it was signed into law.
    oh wait, not shocking at all..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    dont worry tho! WaPost/ABC must be biased in favor of the GOP, just like Rasmussen!

    In other shocking news..


    oh wait, not shocking at all..

    Do you honestly think any of the republican candidates have a shot in hell against Obama wants the actual shit starts flying? They're literally all dirty in some way shape or form, making them less likable than the black president we have shouldn't be that hard to do, especially when all the poor minorities chip in their vote to keep the rich white boys out of office again.

    Of course, we could always assume that the poor minorities won't vote like we did last year right?


    The honest truth is that we get Obama for another 4 years because the alternatives are all worse in some way shape or form, and though Obama is quiet, its been nice having a quiet president for a change.

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    if you're asking me if i understand that we have a staggering number of retards in this country that will
    vote for him again regardless of the copious evidence he's in over his head and has no idea what he's doing?
    yes i do. if you're asking if I think he's a lock to get reelected as a result? no, i dont. romney's boringness
    is going to help him this year, because there isn't much about him that are going to get people fired up to
    vote against him. i mean, after obama, how bad could he be? i think most people who bother to vote at all
    this year when they're in the booth and ask themselves that question, they'll say he can't be worse.

    but think whatever you like bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Do you honestly think any of the republican candidates have a shot in hell against Obama wants the actual shit starts flying? They're literally all dirty in some way shape or form, making them less likable than the black president we have shouldn't be that hard to do, especially when all the poor minorities chip in their vote to keep the rich white boys out of office again.
    Never, ever underestimate the sheer gullibility and ignorance of the conservative voting population.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman
    i mean, after obama, how bad could he be?
    What are you talking about? For people with marketable job skills and the ability to actually write a resume, the economy has been really good. One thing that is certainly common among voters like yourself - everyone but you is to blame for your unhappiness. Go back to school? Compete? Or is Uncle Sam just supposed to suck your dick because?

    As far as accomplishments, Obama has a seriously long list. The crown jewel of his efforts was simply to prevent insurance companies from giving the middle finger to people in need; you can say whatever you like about HCR, the next relative you love that gets help with a pre-existing condition will change your mind.

    I'm disappointed in several things that he's done, but that goes for any president.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman
    regardless of the copious evidence he's in over his head and has no idea what he's doing?
    OK, ha ha. I get it now. Brilliant trolling. you got me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Schwartzski View Post
    various inanities
    President Obama's national health care law will cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, according to a new projection released today by the Congressional Budget Office, rather than the $940 billion forecast when it was signed into law.
    so do you attribute this to obama lying, or being clueless? because its one or the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dumbzski
    As far as accomplishments, Obama has a seriously long list

    aahahahaHAHAHAHAALOLOLOLOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    romney's boringness is going to help him this year, because there isn't much about him that are going to get people fired up to
    vote against him. i mean, after obama, how bad could he be? i think most people who bother to vote at all
    this year when they're in the booth and ask themselves that question, they'll say he can't be worse.

    but think whatever you like bro
    This isn't against you personally but goddamn we've hit the point where "Romney is boring" is now officially a positive on his elect-ability. Perhaps you haven't been following the primaries that much but your own party is slinging shit on him despite fully knowing he's the only real choice you have. If Romney tries to say he's "a Washington outsider" or "knows more about the Economy" during the general election, then people are going to call him on his bullshit just like they are right now.

    I'm not saying Obama is perfect, but given your sudden obsession with "Religious Liberty", and a stance of social issues that most of the country no longer agrees with, you're going to lose this election. Republicans haven't done anything to garner a larger voting bloc than they had 4 years ago, other than signing an arbitrary piece of paper swearing they will never under any circumstance raise taxes, no matter what legislation such an absurd promise roadblocks.

    Obama probably won't win in some amazing landslide, but I don't see Republicans winning period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rer View Post
    Republicans haven't done anything to garner a larger voting bloc than they had 4 years ago
    apparently the 2010 elections escaped your notice~

    Quote Originally Posted by Der
    we've hit the point where "Romney is boring" is now officially a positive on his elect-ability
    the point being, there is such a thing as Palin Derangement Syndrome, while there is no such thing as Romney Derangement Syndrome.

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    I'll give you the last point sir, Romney is far better than Palin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rer View Post
    I'll give you the last point sir, Romney is far better than Palin.
    not saying one is "better" than the other. i'm saying there's a horde of morons with a blinding white hot, irrational, nerd rage/hatred of
    sarah palin out there, but there isn't (that i'm aware of anyway) something similar towards romney. were palin to win the nomination,
    those nerds would come out of the woodwork (or the dumpsters, as the case may be) to vote against her in the fall. I just don't see
    romney engendering the same level of passion against him. people may prefer him, or not, but i don't really see them *hating* him.

    al gore is one of the most boring human beings on the planet, and he came within a cunt hair of the presidency (*shudder*)..

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    I have long chosen to ignore opinion polls, as the thoughts of the unwashed masses are almost always misguided.

    Throughout history even the best leaders saw the mob as something to be placated, but also ignored on matters of national policies.
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    Tea Party's been quiet lately, no?

    Are they just biding their time to sell out to Romney, or are they too busy purging minorities from the voting rolls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raketefrau View Post
    are they too busy purging minorities from the voting rolls?
    just the dead ones http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ies in Vermont

    boosh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    al gore is one of the most boring human beings on the planet, and he came within a cunt hair of the presidency (*shudder*)..
    I never understood why that is a knock against Al Gore. Aside from basically needing an electron microscope to even ascertain the different levels of "excitement" between politicians, what is cause is served by not electing someone boring? It would be exciting as all hell to see someone like Tony Montana address the nation as President, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to stick around for the consequences. Just as I'm sure the German people collectively wish that their grandparents would have voted for the other guy on the ballot instead of that exciting and energetic whipper-snapper that lead them out of the era of the Weimer Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poaw View Post
    I never understood why that is a knock against Al Gore. Aside from basically needing an electron microscope to even ascertain the different levels of "excitement" between politicians, what is cause is served by not electing someone boring? It would be exciting as all hell to see someone like Tony Montana address the nation as President, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to stick around for the consequences. Just as I'm sure the German people collectively wish that their grandparents would have voted for the other guy on the ballot instead of that exciting and energetic whipper-snapper that lead them out of the era of the Weimer Republic.
    al has many other fine qualities besides being boring. among them: being dumb, and a rapist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poaw View Post
    I never understood why that is a knock against Al Gore. Aside from basically needing an electron microscope to even ascertain the different levels of "excitement" between politicians, what is cause is served by not electing someone boring? It would be exciting as all hell to see someone like Tony Montana address the nation as President, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to stick around for the consequences. Just as I'm sure the German people collectively wish that their grandparents would have voted for the other guy on the ballot instead of that exciting and energetic whipper-snapper that lead them out of the era of the Weimer Republic.
    Al Gore won the popular vote and if you didn't have an archaic 18th century electoral college system then he would have been president 2000-2004 at least.

    No matter how vapid he is he would have still been better than GWB though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    al has many other fine qualities besides being boring. among them: being dumb, and a rapist.
    Not everyone can be a shining star like Newt Ginrich...

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    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...4#.T2A9nxEgcrU

    Santorum wins both Alabama and Missississississississippi.

    Anyone surprised? Given Romney's "Howdy Y'all" and "I love me some biscuits and cheese grits in the morning" speech, can't say I am.

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    Well at least that's more regionally-attuned than his "the trees are the right height" comment in Michigan or wherever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rer View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...4#.T2A9nxEgcrU

    Santorum wins both Alabama and Missississississississippi.

    Anyone surprised? Given Romney's "Howdy Y'all" and "I love me some biscuits and cheese grits in the morning" speech, can't say I am.
    Yeah, but I wouldn't exactly consider winning Alabama and Mississippi, perhaps two of the most inbred states in America, anything remotely similar to an accomplishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller View Post
    Yeah, but I wouldn't exactly consider winning Alabama and Mississippi, perhaps two of the most inbred states in America, anything remotely similar to an accomplishment.
    Also add to it that he only won by a small margin. He has been crying for Newt to drop out of the race and with a close 2nd I doubt Newt will. He will see it as a reason to keep on fighting. So long as the top 3 are still in the race this thing will come down to a brokered convention.

    Al Gore was pimp, created the internet and predicted global warming /sarcasm. Though I did find it odd how he lost, since he was VP of a semi-successful two term presidency, and that he was going up against GWB. Damn Bush V Gore.



    Edit: Realized Newt actually lost by 6 points in Alabama, so not really close. My mistake.
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    See, I keep getting excited every time I see Santorum pick up some delegates, but I just had this vision of a possible Santorum primary win AND a Presidential win, and then another 4-8 years of W stupidity.

    I'm off to the cryogenic labs. Somebody wake me in 2020.

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    Despite the cringe-inducing-ness of the video, does everyone notice the name of that YouTube channel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders View Post
    Despite the cringe-inducing-ness of the video, does everyone notice the name of that YouTube channel?
    It's Poe's Law in action my friend :P His entire channel is filled with Christians being crazy, it's quite entertaining actually.

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    Somewhat off topic but found this video talking about the connection between corporations and US wars. Interesting stuff though haven't taken the time to check its facts.

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    A little bit of the video was if you ask me. When we're at war, why wouldn't you invest in a war based stock? I know I have.

    Other parts were interesting though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rer View Post
    A little bit of the video was if you ask me. When we're at war, why wouldn't you invest in a war based stock? I know I have.

    Other parts were interesting though
    I think the video is implying that the investments and backroom deals precede the actual war, through the direct manipulation of US foreign policy. In other words, they aren't profiting by taking advantage of circumstances, they are profiting by manufacturing and fostering those circumstances.

    The real question is if you had the ability to insure your investments always produced high returns, regardless of the cost to society or in human lives, would you?

    I find the connections they make interesting (possibly correct) but personally, I get a little tired of these kinds of videos because its a short road from "businessmen pulling politicians strings" to the "guberment done planned 911". It's a slippery slope into tinfoil land. The more complex a conspiracy theory becomes the harder it is to believe, in my mind at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rer View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...4#.T2A9nxEgcrU

    Santorum wins both Alabama and Missississississississippi.

    Anyone surprised? Given Romney's "Howdy Y'all" and "I love me some biscuits and cheese grits in the morning" speech, can't say I am.
    Was there every any doubt about Santorum winning Alabama? I mean, sure, he's Catholic, but it takes more than just one closer look to tell him apart from the general Bible Belt evangelist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Puuntai View Post
    [...] Though I did find it odd how he lost, since he was VP of a semi-successful two term presidency [...]
    I think there's even a video somewhere in this thread explaining how, in the US, not every vote is of equal value.
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    So gentlemen at this stage in the primary do any of you see a Santorum/Gingrich ticket in the works? Or possibly a Mitt/Santorum to try and wrap up the nomination faster?

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    I don't think Gingrich would ever go on a ticket as VP. He thinks way too highly of himself for that. Nor do I see Santorum teaming up with Romney. Seems to be some speculation of a Romney/Rubio ticket. It wouldn't surprise me to see a Romney/Rice(Condoleeza) ticket either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somedude76 View Post
    I don't think Gingrich would ever go on a ticket as VP. He thinks way too highly of himself for that. Nor do I see Santorum teaming up with Romney. Seems to be some speculation of a Romney/Rubio ticket. It wouldn't surprise me to see a Romney/Rice(Condoleeza) ticket either.
    I think he would, just to deny Romney the nomination. Hell Newt even combined him and Santorums victory in Alabama and Mississippi, toting it as a conservative victory, even though Newt lost both. Now the real question is would Santorum really want Newt as VP? Though I do agree that Newt seems to be in his own little world and full of himself. However I don't think he would be THAT dumb to pass up a VP or cabinet position for the almost no chance of winning the nomination. Ofc he will probably drag this out to the convention in order to make the deal.
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    My thoughts is that it would make the path the number of required delegates to beat Mitt attainable. However I think you guys raise good points as to why it would not happen. I just can't wait to draw up new rules for the next presidential debate drinking game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Zuckerkorn View Post
    Or possibly a Mitt/Santorum to try and wrap up the nomination faster?
    On an entirely unrelated note, does Romney's family have a history of heart problems or other sudden deaths?

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    What people say and what people do is very different indeed.


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    Everybody has a lust for flesh. Christians acknowledge this. The only difference is they struggle to fight the urge. I don't find this to be much of an example of outrageous hypocrisy. It's kind of a cheap shot really. And it's unimportant when weighed against other important and urgent issues of today. Rick Santorum apparently pledged to crack down on porn if elected. What the hell is he talking about that for?

    He's such an idiot. He's talked about contraception, separation of church and state, and now porn? It's the economy and deficit/debt stupid!!

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    The Obama administration couldn't pay for better propaganda than Rick Santorum. I wouldn't be surprised to see his head explode in rainbow confetti and Sacha Baron Cohen's weirdly smiling face to appear like a spectral jack-in-the-box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somedude76 View Post
    It's the economy and deficit/debt stupid!!
    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...cits-cbo-finds

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    Quote Originally Posted by somedude76 View Post
    Everybody has a lust for flesh. Christians acknowledge this. The only difference is they struggle to fight the urge. I don't find this to be much of an example of outrageous hypocrisy. It's kind of a cheap shot really.
    I have to disagree my friend, I think to say "It's just human nature" while believing that because they were created by God that they are morally good and to say "in this case its science not god" that their 'desire' for flesh because it is convenient while fighting it tooth and nail where is not in line with their beliefs is wrong. But the juggle between science and religion must be complicated for those that truly believe. Or hell it might not be I don't know I'm not religious.

    But I completely agree with you guys otherwise. Making contraception a national issue was completely stupid and out of left field. It amazes me that he got that far off message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Zuckerkorn View Post
    But I completely agree with you guys otherwise. Making contraception a national issue was completely stupid and out of left field. It amazes me that he got that far off message.
    It's looking pretty dark for them when even Jeb Bush is saying: ďI used to be a conservative and I watch these debates and Iím wondering, I donít think Iíve changed, but itís a little troubling sometimes when people are appealing to peopleís fears and emotion rather than trying to get them to look over the horizon for a broader perspective and thatís kind of where we are. I think it changes when we get to the general election. I hope.Ē

    I really don't get this "race to the bottom". It's like Santorum lives in a world where women don't (shouldn't) vote at all. After saying that, I guess I do I understand where he's coming from. About 300 years ago.

    Edit: Nvm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    It's looking pretty dark for them when even Jeb Bush is saying: ďI used to be a conservative and I watch these debates and Iím wondering, I donít think Iíve changed, but itís a little troubling sometimes when people are appealing to peopleís fears and emotion rather than trying to get them to look over the horizon for a broader perspective and thatís kind of where we are. I think it changes when we get to the general election. I hope.Ē

    I really don't get this "race to the bottom". It's like Santorum lives in a world where women don't (shouldn't) vote at all. After saying that, I guess I do I understand where he's coming from. About 300 years ago.

    Edit: Nvm
    Before looking into Rick's background I used to think he was just trying to appeal to further right voters than Mitt in the primary, but I think recent events have shown that he really is just that far right IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Zuckerkorn View Post
    Before looking into Rick's background I used to think he was just trying to appeal to further right voters than Mitt in the primary, but I think recent events have shown that he really is just that far right IMHO
    From what I've read, Santorum has been described as the most 'anti-politician' of the GOP contenders; he literally won't bend on his beliefs, even if it means alienating voters (like in Puerto Rico, where he staunchly declared that making English the national language was mandatory for statehood, which was neither true nor likely to win him any votes).

    This doesn't make him endearing at all, but then again, nor does Romney's 'trees are just the right height' speech which more or less printed in bold that he'd say anything to win the lowest common denomination.

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    If Santorum really wants a shot at winning the nomination and have any chance of competing against Obama, he really needs to back off social issues. It seems like any time he tries to talk about social issues he then proceeds to put foot into mouth. Though listening to him talk about actual politics like doing across the board tax cuts without any federal cuts(other then Obamacare ofc), while wanting to start a war with Iran, shows that his idea on how to fix the economy or anything else for that matter is non-existent. How is this guy 2nd place again?

    For example he recently claimed that the elderly in the Netherlands have to wear bracelets that say "Do not Euthanize me" to avoid hospitals from accidently killing the person. This of course was completely false, though it was used to show how pro life he is.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...europe/254462/

    and his spokeswomen tries to defend Santorum....Kind of

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    I just don't get how you can woo the Tea Party and pretend to be a Constitutionalist and then come out swinging against the first amendment before you're ever elected.

    It's like he's yelling "I'M NOT GAY" while being balls-deep in black man-ass.

    Ride 'em, cowboy.

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    God the general election is gonna be awesome.

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