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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    I would take the "150M/hr" figure with a big ole pinch of salt if I were you. People who fling numbers like that around tend to leave out minor details like that they only make that much by selling items which are extremely low volume. Or that "tags I loot for myself are free".

    Your basic "log in, shoot stuff, sell CN Invulns" hi-sec missioner makes ~50M/hr.
    Why is it you're so willing to heed the "average" isk/hour for l4s, but at the same time are willing to swallow the "OMG INCURSIONS MAKE 200M/HOUR!" so easily? No grains of salt leftover for that?
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dego View Post
    Those numbers sound seriously stacked but regardless the amount of incursioners who won't be running anymore are gonna fuck up the effectiveness of specialized shiny fleets. (I'm assuming that you don't run all the things only ncos or some shit Grath)
    Remote sensory boosted nightmares with AT MOST 1-2 tank mods (I had 2x Ctype invulns on mine, the other nightmares only had a single A type. NMCs, and OTAs went down in just over 2 minutes, like, 2 minutes 15 seconds (they literally would stop watch time us). The frigate plexes would take us about 30 seconds longer than anything else.

    We'd compete against legion fleets and other shiney fleets on a fairly regular basis without any real problem at all. The more you spent on your ship the easier this became to do. Trust that most of PL didn't believe it either until they saw the wallet tax logs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    We'd compete against legion fleets and other shiney fleets on a fairly regular basis without any real problem at all. The more you spent on your ship the easier this became to do. Trust that most of PL didn't believe it either until they saw the wallet tax logs.
    This alone forces me to question how much of the information you provide is just anecdotal generalizations. The "Blitz Fleet" runs legions with 2 oni providiing links and I ran with them for a while after Ron got me in with them.

    The best contest we had that I witnessed first hand was 14 wrecks on grid when we landed with a shiney BS fleet running 2 scimi and we still managed to win the contest. Another scenario I witnessed we landed on the gate with a nightmare fleet on it. We pretended to align out to bait them, and then when they hit the gate we followed them in. They immediately bailed on the site for another NCO in system. We finished the NCO and then warped to the NCO they were at and stole out from under them.


    TL;DR - I don't believe your top 1% Nightmare fleets can contest top 1% legions in NCOs. Not that it matters anymore.
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    Meanwhile, I'll be selling Cynabal hulls at 250m a pop.
    How is the old home doing these days? I'm considering bringing down a cloaky Proteus to blitz lower level missions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rer View Post
    How is the old home doing these days? I'm considering bringing down a cloaky Proteus to blitz lower level missions.
    Those Gorgon Empire dudes fully moved into UW9, so you have to watch for probes in EU TZ. Hun Reloaded left a long time ago so there's basically no friendlies in the area, but the dosh is well worth it if you can handle having to masturbate the d-scan button the whole time you're running missions.
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Based on my spreadsheets Dramiels are slightly more profitable than cynabals. I havent checked in the past few days though, since I have been waiting for Jita to clear before cashing out on 700k LP.
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    dramiel BPCs are also slightly more and if you're around H-ADOC you could as well man up and grind dat serpentis standing for 3500/1 Daredevil BPCs
    Angel LP will probably drop quickly back to 2000/1 or so - INIT. is back in Curse

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    so... IRC dropes stations in Cobalt Edge like there is no tomorow.....






    that 4 this month only....


    are they preparing for a invasion

    did they hear that is harder to grind station sistems then sistems without stations

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    Why is it you're so willing to heed the "average" isk/hour for l4s, but at the same time are willing to swallow the "OMG INCURSIONS MAKE 200M/HOUR!" so easily? No grains of salt leftover for that?
    Same reason you are doing the exact same thing from the other side, maybe? Truth is both those numbers quoted are an absolute max, something only seriously dedicated people will ever achieve. The only difference was how easy one of them could be done before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas Quaan View Post
    Same reason you are doing the exact same thing from the other side, maybe?
    What are you talking about? I have been saying for the longest time that highsec l4s can peak at ~160m/hour where incursions peak at ~200m/hour, but the "average" (like the one he referred to for highsec l4) for both is MUCH lower and therefore the payout for the highsec incursions are no more nerfworthy than highsec l4s. Especially when you look at the isk/hour for 0.0 mission runners blitzing for LP and the fact the inflation from the incursion faucet is negligible when compared to the dreadnaught isk faucet found in 0.0 bounties going by the numbers CCP released themselves.

    Thus my presented solution of throttling the incoming isk from highsec incursions by having larger gaps between the spawns for incursions when a mothership popped (creating a similar gap highsec l4s have to their income when LP store items get too saturated on the market) instead of highsec incursions being available 24/7. This would create a more "gold rush" feel to them instead of a nonstop grind for isk, but people just stuck fingers in their ears shouting "200M AN HOUR!! NERF!! NERF!!1"


    Edit: LOL You edited your post, but it was too late. xD
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Its just sad that CCP took the most perfect amazing blitz fleet 200m/h number and blankly applied a huge nerf to everyone involved

    just typical cunts

    its not like they could make the shit dynamic to the amount of ships on grid/type of ships/dps incoming to sanshas

    wait thats way to much effort

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    All I said was that 70-80M/hr was fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    TL;DR - I don't believe your top 1% Nightmare fleets can contest top 1% legions in NCOs. Not that it matters anymore.
    Hey there were black legion duders (and girl) running in the group i was in, I don't mind if you don't believe me, there were other people there too.

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    hope they didnt have tengu links in your gang, would ruin your nightmare's cap stability

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Hey there were black legion duders (and girl) running in the group i was in, I don't mind if you don't believe me, there were other people there too.
    was literally about to say a nightmare fleet beating a legion fleet in an NCO is like thinking a tengu makes you cap out easier. but i got beat

    it literally can't happen

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    If grath was running something like the following fit, it would definitely give legion fleet (especially a complacent one) a run for its money.

    I just threw this together in 30 seconds, so maybe some stuff might be switched about to make it better.
    When 2 nightmares pair up, the 5 remote sebos will bring the scan res to 827 with leadership buffs (2.5s on 40m sigs). This is well within range to contest with legions. Without splitting hairs talking about scan res, the difference in lock time between nightmares and legions will be 1 second or less.

    The tracking rigs, while not as powerful as computers or links, are much more powerful than tracking enhancers. These rigs combined with the 37.5% tracking bonus of the nightmare itself likely make it quite capable of hitting the approaching frigs in NCOs. If it isn't enough, then you can add on a tracking link in the mix for 1-slot tanks. If at all you are still unsatisfied, 2 scimitars in fleet can spread 4 45% (or more if they faction logi up, too) tracking links across the gang. These measures may be prudent; grath says he focuses the OTAs and NMCs anyways.

    I can't imagine many nightmare fleets actually fly like this, but suspend your disbelief in a nightmare gang capable of contesting legions.

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    well, the RSBs are on our 2 slot tank basis and tracking concerns nullified by vindis, but yeah that was the general gist of it. once you have locktime and tracking issues resolved, it was a straight up DPS race and BS always win those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elo View Post
    hope they didnt have tengu links in your gang, would ruin your nightmare's cap stability
    How's your titan doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    How's your titan doing?
    Better than your blood pressure when you read my posts lmao

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    OH SWEET A BLOODPRESSURE BURN YOU GOT SO OWNED GRATH UMAD?!?!??!?
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    if you seriously think nightmares beat legions in old NCOs then i really don't know what can be said about you anymore.

    also; zero that fit you made up shows you have literally 0 idea of what you're talking about. sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    I'm so fucking wrong I'll just bring up something that's totally irrelevant to deflect the embarrassment i feel in my heart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mexxico View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    I see you made an irrelevant comment about how I fucked something up recently, so I will remind you of your bigger fuckup and take you to the ownzone
    Fixed your post a bit more there Ron~
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    thanks grogoth. wouldn't want to piss you off and have waffles camp me in lmao

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    Lose a titan about it

    Oh, look, we are back here again
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    yeah this conversation is very round, like your physique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mexxico View Post
    lololol your group is just as irrelevant as my group lololol
    Ron Mexico defending his girlfriend Elo, how sweet.

    You know Ron, when we go out on a limb white knighting people we try to at least make sure they're damsels in distress, not buttmad ex Atlas faggots who can't pilot titans but consider gang link mechanics the epitome of eve knowledge.

    Work on it and get back to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Work on it
    Read that as R. Lee Ermy

    Also Elo, you know why I am fat bro? Being rich has it's costs~
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    Vanguards blow the dick now, you only make 50-60m/hr running them

    might as well run L4s gg CCP

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    Quote Originally Posted by penifSMASH View Post
    Vanguards blow the dick now, you only make 50-60m/hr running them

    might as well run L4s gg CCP
    BUT 200M/HOUR! 200/HOUR! EVERYONE IN HIGHSEC MAKES 200M/HOUR! NERF!!!! NERF!!!1

    LOL HIGHSEC PUBS ALL BUTTMAD THEY CAN'T MAKE 200M/HOUR!!!!1!!1
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    BUT 200M/HOUR! 200/HOUR! EVERYONE IN HIGHSEC MAKES 200M/HOUR! NERF!!!! NERF!!!1

    LOL HIGHSEC PUBS ALL BUTTMAD THEY CAN'T MAKE 200M/HOUR!!!!1!!1
    yea idgi I've never made 200m/hr running incursions (maybe came close a couple times but those were rare), more like 120ish, and I was in one of those private channel shiny hardcore groups

    which means the average pubster made far less vOv didn't really see the need for a nerf from an objective standpoint

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    You are averaging 0 pussy/hour by posting in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Ron Mexico defending his girlfriend Elo, how sweet.

    You know Ron, when we go out on a limb white knighting people we try to at least make sure they're damsels in distress, not buttmad ex Atlas faggots who can't pilot titans but consider gang link mechanics the epitome of eve knowledge.

    Work on it and get back to us.
    Links aren't the epitome of eve knowledge, but knowing how to stront a tower is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Ron Mexico defending his girlfriend Elo, how sweet.

    You know Ron, when we go out on a limb white knighting people we try to at least make sure they're damsels in distress, not buttmad ex Atlas faggots who can't pilot titans but consider gang link mechanics the epitome of eve knowledge.

    Work on it and get back to us.
    i'm literally running damsel in distress atm. come camp me in pl, grogoth says so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton Banks View Post
    You are averaging 0 pussy/hour by posting in this thread
    This epic 2v1 lightsaber battle between Grath and Elo/Ron is easily the sexiest thing on kugu right now. Bitches love lightsabers.

    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    WAIT WTF ELO DIES?!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dego View Post
    WAIT WTF ELO DIES?!!!
    No, nerd. What are you, a virgin? He ascends to become one with the Force and becomes more powerful than you can imagine.
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opti View Post
    Its just sad that CCP took the most perfect amazing blitz fleet 200m/h number and blankly applied a huge nerf to everyone involved

    just typical cunts

    its not like they could make the shit dynamic to the amount of ships on grid/type of ships/dps incoming to sanshas

    wait thats way to much effort
    No, that really is too much effort.

    And they didn't "shit on" much. They made the sites unblitzable and lowered the payout for VGs by 10%. People just have to figure out a new dynamic that will make SOMEONE want to farm OTA to clear the bottleneck and the ISK/hr will rise above what it is now. Making OTAs the Bubonic Plague mixed with AIDS and menstrual blood was like a domino in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    This epic 2v1 lightsaber battle between Grath and Elo/Ron is easily the sexiest thing on kugu right now. Bitches love lightsabers.

    hopefully grath doesn't have tengu links in that pic. his lightsaber would run out of power

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elo View Post
    Links aren't the epitome of eve knowledge, but knowing how to stront a tower is
    You can tell from the extensive black legion tech network that you know exactly what you're talking about.

    I guess when you can't fly anything but munnins, or whenever you personally sit in anything with a jump drive and it explodes, it will tend to limit your strategic options though.


    Hey, look at it this way...


    No I tried to come up with something but theres literally no bright side.

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    Hey no i found one, at least you don't have to fuel the titan anymore.




    If you ignored that you died to Test in it I guess thats something.

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    Oh heres another, think of all the munnins you could buy with the insurance payout from that dead bus!

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    Elo, did you take a shit on Grath's porch, or fuck Grogoth's wife? These guys are le mad at you man.

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    holy shit this thread
    Mfume Apocal - Origin. - Black Legion.

  46. Don't try to solve serious matters in the middle of the night Viribus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by penifSMASH View Post
    Vanguards blow the dick now, you only make 50-60m/hr running them

    might as well run L4s gg CCP
    I made more running L4s lmao

    And they're not reliant on other retards to run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mexxico View Post
    if you seriously think nightmares beat legions in old NCOs then i really don't know what can be said about you anymore.

    also; zero that fit you made up shows you have literally 0 idea of what you're talking about. sorry
    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    well, the RSBs are on our 2 slot tank basis and tracking concerns nullified by vindis, but yeah that was the general gist of it. once you have locktime and tracking issues resolved, it was a straight up DPS race and BS always win those.
    Good talk.

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    Everything Mfume says is a lie. Including when he says he's a liar. That's how big a liar he is.
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero View Post
    Good talk.
    yea considering how he has no clue what he's talking about and our fleets have smashed SSN repeatedly when they try to come into our NCOs i'd take everything he says with a shotgun to the mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rer View Post
    I plead the 5th.



    Sidenote: I just killed a ninja looter by blowing up the Pleasure Hub in Damsel in Distress.

    Morning made.
    <3

    Also pirate faction missions are the most consistently stable, high-level income for an individual pilot I know of.

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