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    Keep up the porns.

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    Just do what everyone else who wants to read our forums does, get a spy in we have tons of them. I'm to lazy to crosspost everything from the ATAK porn thread.

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    Nulli. managed to win 2nd timer battle in TPAR and is about to take the system.

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    TPAR-G station now in S2N hands.

    Edit: TCU dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Haur View Post
    TPAR-G station now in S2N hands.
    So ATAK are not attacking I guess, So what have StainWagon Core got to say about Nulli taken TPAR-G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afr1can View Post
    So ATAK are not attacking I guess, So what have StainWagon Core got to say about Nulli taken TPAR-G.

    romanian was there whit 160ish dudes SW was there whit 70ish dudes they lost and SW have not at any time rly put any effort in to help ATAK besides the casual show the flag fleet

    Edit: SW might finally realized that helping ATAK because one time at band camp 4 years ago they helped a friend in a belt is a bad idea, and just let them die is best for all.

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    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=5835

    I was playing coward in pos making sure our Huginns had awesome webrange, so I can't give a full BR, but we had two shield triage. We sat on the station grid the entire time, pewing SW when they warped in and station when they warped out.

    Once fighting was over we dropped supers to speed up station grind.

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    C0ven&SE showed up in ~70 tengu/scimitar fleet. NS. however commited carriers, while SW didn't.
    Also RL fleet setup was a bit... innovative.
    If one wants to believe in Local talk next stop is Esoteria.

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    Our alpha fleet just shot assorted RL BC's zerging into us on the station, we didn't really lose much due to scimi/chimera reps.

    The SW tengu's kept their range, trying to kite our huginn's away. At one point they got to close, we managed to alpha about 10 tengu's and SW called it a day.

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    It's important to point out that numbers were very even, if not in favour od SW, but while Nulli brought 100+ mealstorms, RL decidecd to go with PUG bc'es and didnt even decide to undock carriers (fight was at the station).
    They really need to put their shit togather and learn their lessons, since dispite all the spack talk they aren't an even enemy for Nulli. at this point. Especially when rest of SW is clearly in torpor and can't carry them with those numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriarti View Post
    It's important to point out that numbers were very even, if not in favour od SW, but while Nulli brought 100+ mealstorms, RL decidecd to go with PUG bc'es and didnt even decide to undock carriers (fight was at the station).
    They really need to put their shit togather and learn their lessons, since dispite all the spack talk they aren't an even enemy for Nulli. at this point. Especially when rest of SW is clearly in torpor and can't carry them with those numbers.
    I agree its easy to look back and say they should have done A, B, C and well they should have. Everyone knew a war between nulli and ATAK was coming, the only question was how long before it would start. If i was in ATAK high-command i would have been stocking as many pvp ships as possible in storage and waiting. But welping kitchen sink fleets of BS and bc doesn't help in both ships and moral. Then second thing would have been coordinating with Stain much better so you force nulli to deal with t3 bcs/ tengus and bombers all at the same time.
    but again hindsight is always better.

    kudos to Atak for showing up and fighting tooth and nail
    GFGF

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    The tactic that SW/ATAK used is to send BC's at 0 while their Tengus snipe us at ~80-100km. The BC's pin us down on grid and make any re-warp effectively impossible until we clear out their BC blob. During the first TPAR timer we eventually had to yield the grid and reship because ATAK kept reshipping and SW eventually wore down our scimis.

    This time we were prepared for that and brought in two triage chimeras. This kept all of our battleships (except those that broadcasted late, as usual) alive. At one point, ATAK BC fleet and tengus primed a Chimera, he got to half armor with 1/2 of his triage cycle left when they switched targets. We're not sure why the switched, its probable that had they kept on him he would have died. We finally got SW to withdraw from the field when they fucked up their anchoring and got 60km from our fleet, so our hugins were easily within triage rep range. We killed several tengus and Tek and they called it a day.

    It was a good fight. ATAK ship doctrines and pilot skill (at sov warfare) leave something to be desired but to their credit, they constantly reship. Add in the professionalism of the SW fleet and it did challenge us, though this fight did not go in their favor at all.

    Also we will not be pressing on into Esoteria, our members have a really bad habit of local smack, I apologize.

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    Then i guess question is, when will ATAK try to get TPAR back.

    I wonder why don't you want to attack Esoteria, since SW will prolly keep assiting RL whenever they decide to fight back. Seems like a smart thing to do.

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    Southbloc politics, mostly. Kicking out a useless, degenerate neighbour is one thing. Invading into the heart of Stainwagon space? That's another thing and would be replete with all sorts of frenzied convo-slinging, three-hour negotiations on TS, etc., etc. Not to mention it would be a horribly exposed salient that is difficult to access. Anyway, RL will probably fall back to Stain more than they do Esoteria, and nobody has the patience to permacamp them there until they snap.

    Hell, after the by-and-large disgraceful showing they've made during this entire one-week campaign...if their constituent corps have any pride, they'll probably do a fair amount of that snapping themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriarti View Post

    I wonder why don't you want to attack Esoteria, since SW will prolly keep assiting RL whenever they decide to fight back. Seems like a smart thing to do.

    Because its really fucking far away bro, and who cares about esoteria.

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    how do you welp tengus to maels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Leaner View Post
    Just do what everyone else who wants to read our forums does, get a spy in we have tons of them. I'm to lazy to crosspost everything from the ATAK porn thread.

    well shit, some are to lazy to spy. at the risk of being called a faggot again and all credit it to you and the others at the Central Unintelligence Agency of S2N on sourcing these jems.

    these are rather old but give an insight into the thinking of ATAK. this is in regard to the WTF delve invasion 'troll'

    Quote Originally Posted by [PINOY] Carebeard
    I dont know if you seen the top post by my corpie regarding the invasion of Controled Chaos and friends to delve..


    One tag line remains to mind.. they are planning to wipe Nulli and FAIL off the map! : :


    Link


    http://soundcloud.com/wtfalliance/ts...-01-28-3-50-54


    Now with this in the picture do you think vera will even plan on moving to delve with those people as neighbors.. (pause and think) conclusion no.. So they most likely remain here..


    With this nulli and AAA will definitely side together and i pray to god they call on the VERA friends to aid them.. Cause i already have the Killmails loling in my mind.


    We are currently in a situation that our big brothers Stain and AAA have let the kids out in the backyard to play UNSUPERVISED!


    Now we are like the odd one out in the field and this situation of imaginary peace is to be honest unsatisfying.. no sov, no sbus ...


    based on the initiative of Controlled Chaos.. is there even a possible way we can get temporary blue with them.. to be honest who are they gonna butt hurt?


    nulli + AAA
    What are we to them? Blue? Imaginary BLue? or NEutral?

    As the saying goes The Enemy of my Enemy is my FRiend!



    [size=18pt]If we help we might keep our region clear of SCrubs and un uneding supply of PVP regions close by to roam in![/size]
    author=[FFW] GreatGold link=topic=3618190.msg374#msg374 date=1327858462
    There is no doubt in my mind about what should be done. SW knows, even understands and probably agrees, with our position towards Nulli. Vera made their bed, and now will have to sleep in it for what short time they have left. When WTF arrives we should be red to Nulli and red to VC, and then help SW clean up the aftermath and take back any sov that WTF has taken in Period Basis.


    Keep in mind this is a unilateral move on WTFs part, there will be a much smaller (or even non-existent) bat phone for then to call.


    I suppose there is no mistake about it, but Period Basis is about to burn one way or the other, and I think we should be fanning every flame possible.
    author=[HAOS] Vera'a link=topic=3618190.msg380#msg380 date=1328040824
    That was not it.
    Here's the story.
    a) While we were helping AAA get their territory back Nulli were camping our systems. And we did not form up for -A- once or twice. We did it for weeks on end bringing 100 pilots or more back when our alliance was smaller than it is now. We spent countless hours in fleets, sometimes reshiping 3 times or more (I don't want to thing about the FCs who were primaried all the time)


    b) After -A- got their space back we went ahead and evicted SYS-K from PB. The region we, Nulli and Vera are now was fought for by us with the help of SW. We have spent 2 weeks of long nights grinding on stations, poses and neuts (we did get some help from Vera from time to time - I remember 3 or 4 ocasions).


    c) Nulli got their systems after Tero agreed to give it to them. SW ROL and A asked us if we want to give them the space, after we evicted SYS-K from PB, and we said ok.


    d) Now these fuckers (their leadership) has the fucking nerve and balls to claim rights to XZ and PB, in the intrest of renting Delve most probably. Trust me SW are not happy with Nulli at all. -A- would have told them to fuck off a long time ago if Nulli hadn't come to their aid and kiss their ass (both chicks). All in all we got support from the entire coalition.


    ib4 jean calls me a faggot and hurts my feelings again



    edit: trying to fix quote shit, bear with my poor forum fu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elo View Post
    how do you welp tengus to maels
    I got reped back up few times, np. but our logis reported that most of the people who died just dropped from alpha in under the second without even dmg showing up on locked target.

    get to close and the huginn's smells blood, rly the only reason
    Yeah, that too. We had an anchor fuckup at one point (when ATAK fleet was p. much dead), we lost a few and then 3 or 4 more warping out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elo View Post
    how do you welp tengus to maels
    get to close and the huginn's smells blood, rly the only reason

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    All PB stations now in S2N/VCruz hands.

    little/no resistance from R-L/SW, although RA popped over to say hi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Haur View Post
    All PB stations now in S2N/VCruz hands.

    little/no resistance from R-L/SW, although RA popped over to say hi.
    Enjoy your worthless ass-end of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotch View Post
    Enjoy your worthless ass-end of the universe.
    Mother Nulli always needs Gulags, for pets who do not know how to behave.

    Edit : Wow, what are RA doing in Delve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Peyote View Post
    Mother Nulli always needs Gulags, for pets who do not know how to behave.

    Edit : Wow, what are RA doing in Delve?

    Cut a deal whit -a- after they got there ass kicked in.

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    Predictably, RL are now internally declaring that this entire affair of losing their half of Period Basis in a week without successfully contesting even one timer was a worthwhile learning experience, and that they shall fall back to Stain and become MORE DANGEROUS THAN EVER BEFORE while launching a terrifying crusade of GUERILLA WULFPAX. Clearly, S2N has made a dreadful error by awakening THE ROMANIAN DRAGON.

    Once - just once - I'd like to see an alliance lose a sov war and not fall back on the same damned tropes that have been bandied around since 200...4?

    Also entertaining: it took RL losing their chunk of PB to realize "shit, I guess we better start asking people to train for specific ships within coherent doctrines". Welcome to 2010, guys! I look forward to seeing your RR BS and snipe-HAC fleets over the next few months.

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    Anyone who has dealt with RL know they have delusions of grandeur.

    No one with a clear mind expected them to be a threat to either RA or Nulli. They would do well to mend the political fences or ask AAA to install them in the East somewhere.

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    Feels like a space invasion of Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badvar View Post
    Feels like a space invasion of Iraq.
    That said by a Nulli guy with a Condoleezza Rice avatar comes closely to an irony overload.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sath View Post
    Predictably, RL are now internally declaring that this entire affair of losing their half of Period Basis in a week without successfully contesting even one timer was a worthwhile learning experience, and that they shall fall back to Stain and become MORE DANGEROUS THAN EVER BEFORE while launching a terrifying crusade of GUERILLA WULFPAX. Clearly, S2N has made a dreadful error by awakening THE ROMANIAN DRAGON.

    Once - just once - I'd like to see an alliance lose a sov war and not fall back on the same damned tropes that have been bandied around since 200...4?

    Also entertaining: it took RL losing their chunk of PB to realize "shit, I guess we better start asking people to train for specific ships within coherent doctrines". Welcome to 2010, guys! I look forward to seeing your RR BS and snipe-HAC fleets over the next few months.
    Headsup to RL, its a long long skill-age for t2 pulse skills for Oracle fleets for Minny toons I assure you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pielemieni View Post
    That said by a Nulli guy with a Condoleezza Rice avatar comes closely to an irony overload.

    We even made this jpg.
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    I am fully supportive of Red Alliance. I wish them the best of luck in their crusade to penetrate delve.

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    in other news...another corp left ROMANIA LEGION....4th only this week

    http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/R...N/corporations


    I Guess...RL is going to be 2010 RL (3 corps living in stain)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoDa FoCa View Post
    in other news...another corp left ROMANIA LEGION....4th only this week

    http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/R...N/corporations


    I Guess...RL is going to be 2010 RL (3 corps living in stain)
    Whatever corps are leaving it's probably for the best. As long as their core stay intact and there will be selection among others it's step in right direction.
    Hard to claim that they don't need any changes, don't you think?

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    Trimming the fat exposing the hard inner core of the tree NO PAIN NO GAIN! crisis in Chinese also means opportunity they have awoken the sleeping dragon revenge is a dish best served cold

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    Cut the fat, lean fighting force, wulfpax etc etc

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    Too slow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmychrist View Post
    Trimming the fat exposing the hard inner core of the tree NO PAIN NO GAIN! crisis in Chinese also means opportunity they have awoken the sleeping dragon revenge is a dish best served cold
    Wounded tiger?

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    wax on wax off

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    Well, since they moved like 5 jumps away, their allies are where they were etc. it may be actually that very situation :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Wounded tiger?
    That "INIT." ticker made this
    Go ahead and tell us the story, how alliances forced back to Stain die there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmychrist View Post
    Trimming the fat exposing the hard inner core of the tree NO PAIN NO GAIN! crisis in Chinese also means opportunity they have awoken the sleeping dragon revenge is a dish best served cold

    if the amount of fat that needs trimming does get trimmed, RL will go from your average obese US citizen sitting in a all you can eat to a anorexic 16 year old girl trying to keep a leaf of lettuce down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriarti View Post
    That "INIT." ticker made this
    Go ahead and tell us the story, how alliances forced back to Stain die there!
    I would dearly love to but, alas, that's a tale who's telling belongs to the members of -A-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriarti View Post
    Whatever corps are leaving it's probably for the best. As long as their core stay intact and there will be selection among others it's step in right direction.
    Hard to claim that they don't need any changes, don't you think?
    I agree...all im saying is... their core is in fact 3 corps....the same one that was in Stain in 2010...
    and they promised to reconquer PB in future...that said...i believe they will not have that "power" with these 3 corps (about 400 members or less)... in 2010...they only got PB because SWagon helped them (even Vera was there to help).... and to be honest...2010 Stainwagon was way more powerful then the 2012 Stainwagon.


    agree?

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    Shamelessly reposting from Nulli forums re: ATAK deliberating on what went wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by HAOS Vera'a on Sunday, March 25, 2012
    Let me sum it up for you.

    1. Outnumbered
    2. Unprepared (lack of ships and fittings) - people need to learn to fly 3-4 ships with with fittings!
    3. The enemy planned this for quite some time (see the bomber camps)
    4. Lack of participation towards the end (we had 3-4 corps that just joined the alliance - that combined with the market issue and camp issue escalated).
    5. Lack of FC's.
    6. Spys in fleet comms. Not sure if you noticed but at least in the last battle we had whenever someone was calling targets he/she died soon after.

    There are more reasons but imo these are the main ones.
    Isn't that...basically everything? Not enough manpower, not enough supplies, no coherent doctrines to counteract lack of manpower, lack of advance planning, participation failure, lack of command, lack of intel/counter-intel. I am pretty sure that list there doesn't leave room for anything to be done RIGHT.

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    Completly wrong thread doh

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoDa FoCa View Post
    I agree...all im saying is... their core is in fact 3 corps....the same one that was in Stain in 2010...
    and they promised to reconquer PB in future...that said...i believe they will not have that "power" with these 3 corps (about 400 members or less)... in 2010...they only got PB because SWagon helped them (even Vera was there to help).... and to be honest...2010 Stainwagon was way more powerful then the 2012 Stainwagon.


    agree?

    Hard to not to. We had the war last week and lost it, didn't we?
    I, however, doubt that RL will lose all but 3 corporation. My guess is that they will lose/get rid of few more but still stay around 1000 chars. I also assume that they learned their lesson and will be able to provide both reasonable numbers and decent fleet comp shortly. On top of that old SW vets start to resub hearing about the war and lack of NAPs dispite SW itself and ROL.
    It d be much easier if Nulli. were so kind to invade Esoteria or something, but i believe that things may get quite intresting soon enought

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    You're implying that S2N didn't clear this with Stainwagon before going ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sath View Post
    Shamelessly reposting from Nulli forums re: ATAK deliberating on what went wrong.



    Isn't that...basically everything? Not enough manpower, not enough supplies, no coherent doctrines to counteract lack of manpower, lack of advance planning, participation failure, lack of command, lack of intel/counter-intel. I am pretty sure that list there doesn't leave room for anything to be done RIGHT.
    They were basicly cought with pants down.
    When you are heavly recruting you need some time (few weeks at least) to standardize your fleet, let people get ships stocked etc.
    And when you are recruting recklessly you are also catching tones of spies (SW and C0ven had to fly in their own fleet bc of that) and false feeling of power since you have bigger numbers but they aren't as effective as ones you had before (i.e. if you had 500 and after a month you are 1000, you arent 3 times as strong. you probably aren;t even twice as strong).

    All of it + underestimating of an enemy and torpor of allies led to that massive fuckup. No mistery here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sath View Post
    You're implying that S2N didn't clear this with Stainwagon before going ahead.
    Since Stainwagon atm = SE+C0ven+ATAK...
    And why should they? SE and C0ven didn't have 100 men online in months... combined. Even assuming that we may be a bit better than Nulli. there is only so much you can do with 70 people on the field :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriarti View Post
    Even assuming that we may be a bit better than Nulli.
    Wait, what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriarti View Post
    Since Stainwagon atm = SE+C0ven+ATAK...
    And why should they? SE and C0ven didn't have 100 men online in months... combined. Even assuming that we may be a bit better than Nulli. there is only so much you can do with 70 people on the field :P
    You rly need to check whit you leaders, and if they tell you nulli and SE/Coven had no talks prior to this, then they are lying to you, fact is everybody know ATAK was and is shit and they needed to go, and rly there's not more to it then that.

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