At about 1:40 of that recording
what the fuck am I neuted by?Xystance's CurseI want that curse dead
o7o7o7o7 maight
At about 1:40 of that recording
what the fuck am I neuted by?Xystance's CurseI want that curse dead
o7o7o7o7 maight
A heavy neut curse not gonna lie that's pretty fetch of you Xystance.
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goddamn that owns.
Because let's face it, -A-'s survival is entirely contingent upon Maka's survival in a fleet brawl right.
Yeah holy shit my dick is so hard about that Curse
Being neuted is the worst thing you could do to Mackerel. If you jam him, he can still whore on friendly killmails with his smartbombs. If you tracking disrupt him he can still whore killmails with zero damage. If you sensor damp him he can still call nearby rifters primary and get onto those. But without cap he is doomed to that most chilling of outcomes: a red killboard.
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Originally Posted by Sath
Ok. So let's start simple. Dysphonia said TEST was using 1200mm Arties on the Maels, and it would be OK to split them into two groups. That means each maelstrom fires one group at the same time as the 425s on the Rokhs (21/2 ~10).
Are you with me?
Also, the Maels are for scrubs who don't fly the Rokhtorine, because they aren't in T2 hybrids yet.
Are you still with me?
Ok. good, see - reading isn't that hard.
Christ, no wonder PL subcap performance has been declining notably over the last year or so. In the modern fleet meta, even a "DPS" doctrine is heavily reliant on its ability to burn through a target before logis can respond. Whether you do this in one huge fuckoff broadside or multiple quick salvoes is irrelevant; the principle remains the same in that the primary has to die before it can catch reps. The issue in combining wildly disparate rates of fire in a fleet isn't one of killmail whoring. Fuck killmail whoring. Rather, it's one of output consistency. When the FC calls a primary, a consistently-composed fleet lets them predict with a fair amount of accuracy how quickly they should be able to burn through any given target. When half your fleet is firing every six seconds and the other half is firing every 24 seconds (let's be practical and say 12 due to split gun groups for general not-waste-alpha practices), the FC is no longer certain whether he's going to get a huge fuckoff punch when he calls a primary or if only half his fleet is going to open fire, the primary catches reps, and proceeds to survive. Thus you alternate between overkill on some primaries and too-late-catching-reps on others, which is a stupidly inefficient way of going about things. It's bad enough with just natural pilot-error hiccups; you don't need structural inconsistencies stacked on top of that.
S2N all but drummed Hellcats out of its Panicgeddon fleets for precisely this reason. Despite it only being a 25% difference in RoF, that was enough to throw the entire equilibrium of target-calling pacing and damage consistency out of whack. It's also why I agree with the TEST assertion that 1200mm Maels are a much better match for combined Rokh fleets, as staggering into two gun groups lets you more-or-less keep pace with the Rokh primaries and thus ensure a relatively homogenous, predictable curve of fleet damage output. -A-'s 1400mm fits are fine ships of the line on their own but a bad match in a mixed fleet like this. Still, I guess them actually adopting a semi-modern battleship doctrine is a step in the right direction. Better than those fucking schizophrenic Lokis of theirs, anyway.
Combat Scrub: did you even read the post you quoted? I outright stated that 1200mm Maels are fine for precisely the reasons you mentioned. Sounds like half of this bickering stems from misunderstandings. I thought the image of that Rokh/Mael fleet was of a SoCo fleet, and thus rolling w/ 1400mm Maels. Then people thought I was talking about PL/TEST fleets with 1200mm Maels, which are a different, better-adapted beast. And downhill everything went from there.
Yeah, I believe everyone thought you were criticizing TEST's 1200 maels, while you were actually criticizing -A-'s 1400's. Big misunderstanding! Put down your pitchforks everyone.
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God I still cannot get over their Scimitar fits. It is the ultimate microcosm for why their alliance sucks.
It was Sath being an idiot in the 1st place that caused it all.
Hrald posted a picture of a mixed Rokh and Mael fleet, which was clearly a Test fleet (As the caption was a rape train and they'd just raped -A-). But for reasons only known to Sath, he has convinced himself that the picture was of -A- which uses 1400mm.
Thus Sath slags off a picture of a fleet, and everyone insults him.
Also confirming smug as hell status from getting ~15b isk worth of kms from a single bombing run.
In my defense, I thought it was -A- being delusional. It's a common enough event.
The best part of the night was PL/RZR/FA fleet trying to starburst -A- out of their POS. It looked cool but I don't know if anyone actually got bumped out.
not gonna lie it was amazing how well they were doing it - too bad it didn't work
Soooo 2008~~, or before for all I know. But agreed, mad props for using it, the game needs more heavy neut curses.
I once killed riverini while he was flying a heavy neut curse
just sayin'
The heavy neut curse will probably get put away for a while...
30K EHP isn't quite enough for me to survive serious business volleys if I'm primary.
Here's the problem with that type of assertion other than the obvious "LOLOLO LTEST ARE HSIT BECAUSE THEY JUST BLOB IF WE WERE ONLY OUTNUMBERED A LITTLE LESSW #E COULD HAVE GOTTEN THEM GUIsIE" issue...
There's more than one way to win a fight in Eve.
You've got your metagaming,
your spies who spy, your spies in director positions waiting to press butan, your people screening web traffic for IPs and linking those to other activity to secure your own resources or to penetrate other peoples' resources, whatever.
You've got you actual fleet battles,
going toe to toe with the enemies, bombing enemies and running away, sniping enemies guerrilla style and not getting caught, buzzing around enemies like bees in shit too little to tackle... there's always a potential excuse for losing a fleet battle but when it comes down to it, you didn't have what it took to win.
You've got your community building,
I suppose this lands under metagaming a bit but it's important enough to think about it separately.
You have an alliance, with individual member corporations, and separate allies, all with common and occasionally competing interests, cultures, styles of play, whatever it is. Your ability to execute your plan, whatever that is, depends not just on your spy network or your fleet action, it depends on the people you bring to the fleet.
You have to get people to log in and play the game, you need to motivate people to get in fleet, to spend the time and effort to rat/marketpvp/manufacture/whatever to get the ships and ammunition in place, you need to motivate people to skill in the direction you want to. IF you don't have all of that set, you're not going to get the people in your fleet you need to do what you want to do.
And that's where we are with -A-. Their "lead fc" hasn't won a publicly acknowledged strategic large fleet battle in ages (dropping carriers on a frigate gang is funny, but doesn't count), acts like he's the only one allowed to make decisions and the only one allowed to lead fleets and that if he's not listened to everything will fall apart, yet he sounds like a fucking abortion on comms, makes poor decisions, loses battles, then ragequits so that everyone else will die just as badly as him.
No fucking wonder -A-, an alliance of several thousand can only get 250 people in fleet including their allies, I'm surprised they get that many. The reality distortion field near the end of this comms leak, "It's ok we didn't lose that much, PL saved them, etc..." is appalling to me. Any FC that's both worth his salt as an FC -and- a leader will admit to a failling, explain what happened, and try to make sure it doesn't happen again. This, if a fleet loses it ships and dies horrible, is the LEAST the rank and file should expect from its FCS. But when was the last time -A- did something to motivate its members other than make excuses for its losses?
It's funny to think of TEST as being shit. We're terrible at the game, etc..
But you know what, we motivate people to login. We've taken corporations, ejected from horrible alliances all over EvE, shown them our play style, and ended up having a great old time actually PLAYING EVE again. WE have Di-Tron fucking Heavy Industries in TEST and all kinds of awesome. They log in, they fight, because while we may be terrible at EvE,
We're good at motivating our people. We're good at leadership, We're good at exploiting other peoples' losses. We're good at outnumbering you because we make the game fun to play with a community that is awesome to chill with.
We are good at finding new and interesting ways to point out that -A- is shit.
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I didn't listen to the recording because I value my sanity, but did they actually think that PL/etc saved the day? -A- must be stockpiling the world's largest supply of tinfoil to make all those hats.
That makes it different from the rest of the Internet how?
Considering the only way to win an alliance war is to get your opponent to stop logging in (even -A-'s fall-back-to-Stain shit is pretty much an expression of this) apparently TEST is more skilled if they get more people into a fleet.
My favorite part was when someone pointed out that there weren't any goons on the field and they all say, "They are ALL goons".
Xystance basically made "Why -A- is not winning" in a nuttshell.
Take good notice -A-, cause that man speaks gold.
News flash. I paid 5 b isk to join test.
I'm just curious for how long we're gonna have dudes in Maelstroms showing up for Rokhtrine
There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:
is there anyone out there aside from goons that can get 400 people from their alliance to log in to eve at one time?
RvB?
Give us a month.
News flash. I paid 5 b isk to join test.
Totally agree. They need to start letting evildead lead their coalition fleets.
There were ~300 FA in fleet when L-C got SBU'd, but that was a freak occurence. I don't see that happening again any time soon outside of a similar scenario.
Atlas did it a few times at their peak, and you won't like to hear this, but I've seen 400 in -A- alliance chat once or twice before during the drone land wars
And whens the last time goons got 400 in fleet? TEST has surpassed even their mentors possibly.
P.S: It's not 400, but Nulli had 280 from nulli alone to invade Romanian legion space, and I think like 250 to hit RA the first day. But those were like mega-hyped multi-day advanced notice ops that everyone had been looking forward to for weeks (Nulli members had been wanting to invade Romanians for a year.)
When we had 400 in fleet we had like 650 online.Atlas did it a few times at their peak, and you won't like to hear this, but I've seen 400 in -A- alliance chat once or twice before during the drone land wars
And whens the last time goons got 400 in fleet? TEST has surpassed even their mentors possibly.
P.S: It's not 400, but Nulli had 280 from nulli alone to invade Romanian legion space, and I think like 250 to hit RA the first day. But those were like mega-hyped multi-day advanced notice ops that everyone had been looking forward to for weeks (Nulli members had been wanting to invade Romanians for a year.)
Yeah Atlas had crazy high participation back in the day, I remember Atlas fielding 150 Dreads/carriers a few times.
Thefuck. Evildead is like Maka without pubes.
I prefer mine.
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cool.
The passive-aggressive assmad that wafts off of Makalu "If you do anything at all, I'll dock" Zarya is just too good.
Really sucks that I didn't get to do much in the fight. I desynched while leading the nigfleet but our backup handled things p well.
Maybe next time my client won't shit itself when we cyno in 600 people at the same time into one system.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Also, thanks to RA nad -A- for giving our supers a farewell bash on Saturday.
e: Why -A- decided to drop by, we'll never know.
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[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
Scotch
Test made a great bombing run.
But they blew up all my fighters.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
Sorry to bump this thread but this post was so awful I'm positive it gave my ass cancer. Just to reiterate.
Did you ever even fly a battleship with guns, you retarded dumb fuck?
I still can't believe how well the bombing run went, especially with the events that lead to it. First cyno jump into 319 one of the new bombers killed himself by hitting bomb instead of cloak. Next cyno jump the cyno guy lights the covert cyno on grid with the gate, where a hostile fleet is sitting and Dingo loses his Sin, so we have to go through 4-5 gates to get into 49- with the bomber fleet. Because of this we got there after bubbles were already up and the fight was going on pretty heavily. However, Dingo dropped us in on a perfect perch 30km above the fight/bubbles and we did old school bombing by manually aligning before releasing bombs.Test made a great bombing run.
But they blew up all my fighters.
Thankfully, most of our fast tackle was already dead because Montolio, leading the drake fleet, warped to combat without aligning the fleet and got all the frigates blapped, because of that our bombs hit almost no blues.
Given all the wtf moments leading into that fight (I think Booda also jumped to the wrong cyno on the way to 49-, and PL ended up on the sun beacuse their cyno expired?), the fact that we still had an overwhelming victory was that much funnier.
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dirty blobbers. Even with greater numbers, it seems -A- is shit. though killboards may still be loading, i'm not there. (if HBC loses fight, I reserve the right to retract my smug).
Where is this fight going on? And is it over anything?
"Guys, guys, we have hostile Titans tackled. All 30 of them."
RZR/TEST alphafleet just stomped the shit out of -A- Geddon/baddon fleet while outnumbered, then cleaned up RA with PL/TEST drake fleet. BR incoming in a hour or so.
There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:
B...b...but Makalu says TEST only wins because of numbers?!
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