Sabotage Incorporated is Recruiting Bombers, Blackops and Recon Pilots

**Chopin** · 2012-02-16

It's time for story time. I have the shell, so no one can interrupt me whilst I tell the story

(fuck yeah primary school!)

I'm the other half to this relationship, the Putin in the Putin-Medvedev relationship. Simple as, I try and manage the stocks of Sabotage, I'm the administrator.

I'm also a whiny bitch when it comes to Eve. No point in denying it. I hate high sec. Ever since this corp was formed, it was my desire to get us back to 0.0 as fast as possible with a rag-tag gang of people that we could chill with and grow with. I was also aware that given the size of us, this was going to be a challenge, not only to keep our identity as a corp, but also that many of these pilots had only been in 0.0 for maybe 4 hours tops. They hadn't lived there, tasted the constant taste of adrenaline. So I put the idea of 0.0 space to one side whilst continuing to recruit cannon fodder.

Since our inception, we've had encouraging noises from all fields of Eve, most of all from the space I yearned to be back in. So after some sweet love and tender words with Jim, we started compiling a list of things that we could do. We began to approach those that had made these noises with cap in hand. Now, Jim has already mentioned his concerns of joining a large alliance in his most recent blog. However, he was also aware that our corp members wanted to be in the big fights, to learn how to bomb, to see what 0.0 space was really like. At the same time he didn't want to merge with another corp, as, having wanted to have his own corp for two years, to throw it all away, seemed pointless, and we might as well not have left Evolution.

Understandably, the majority of people that were interested in taking us under their wing wanted us to merge with bigger corps. We completely understood this, but as mentioned above, I think we'd rather have stuck to hi-sec then merge. However, one offer from the beginning stood out, that I thought was ideal. Not only could we join as a corp, we'd get in on some pretty large fights and the ability to learn in a relatively safe and friendly atmosphere, but also, we'd be allowed to keep essentially what we wanted, our corp spirit. Immediately, we started making encouraging noises, but because we believe that our members deserve to have some say in what we do (no idea who fucking came up with that idea by the way) we had a corp meeting (I even recorded it to make Jim even more paranoid about me, as he's adamant I am a Pandemic Legion spy) put each option forward to the members, and it was pretty unanimous. I think it turned unanimous when someone piped up that we would be able to see POS setups in the shape of penises...

So the meeting was successful. This past week we've been readying our gypsy caravans, in preparation to move. Our application has gone in and will be accepted at 12.03am. You might have noticed I've neglected to say who we're joining up until this point. Well, we're heading into .EXE. Mo'Chuisle was pretty awesome in discussing our concerns with not only Jim and me about keeping our identity, but also addressing the questions of our members and what it's like to fly in CFC. I've got my suit measured, and I know that the members are really looking forward to what the future may bring.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-02-16

Bumping to spite Finiks....

**Headblast** · 2012-02-16

Well, that sucks, seeing as I am a part of the Raiden-bloc this is pretty much a no-go for me with a for-fun-alt.

I obviously do not know what kinda deal you guys have made with Mo' and EXE, but I had hoped you would have stayed out of the whole 0.0 power bloc thing and done something new. I think whether you want to participate or not, you'll automatically get shot by our dudes and from our point of view be "just another CFC corp", which I personally had hoped wouldn't happen to you guys.

Nevertheless, I wish you guys all the best, and I hope you keep on doing what inspired you to branch out (see what I did there?), even though I'll probably end up being shot by you and will be shooting you.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-02-17

Originally Posted by Headblast

Well, that sucks, seeing as I am a part of the Raiden-bloc this is pretty much a no-go for me with a for-fun-alt.

I obviously do not know what kinda deal you guys have made with Mo' and EXE, but I had hoped you would have stayed out of the whole 0.0 power bloc thing and done something new. I think whether you want to participate or not, you'll automatically get shot by our dudes and from our point of view be "just another CFC corp", which I personally had hoped wouldn't happen to you guys.

Nevertheless, I wish you guys all the best, and I hope you keep on doing what inspired you to branch out (see what I did there?), even though I'll probably end up being shot by you and will be shooting you.

The plan was to stay outside the politics but the simple fact was that with ~15 guys or so finding big fights to gatecrash was proving hard. We don't have spies to tell us about form-ups to bomb, we don't have eyes covering moons so we know when they are reinforced ect. We asked around but who wants to tell some random neutrals what time and where there will be fights? Without being either big enough to have our own intel-gathering network or buddies to point us towards fights we are restricted to hotdropping people. While ganks are fun, people are signing up with us because they want to fly bomber wings.

We put a few options to the members but ultimately when one of our newbs asked "do I get to shoot torps at titans" I foolishly said "if you want to" - from that point on there was an almost unanimous desire to take up the EXE option.

I don't see it so much as joining a huge blob - we will be carrying on flying bombers pretty much exclusively, it's more that we are trading half our potential targets for some cool guys to hang out and a shot at actually finding targets.

**Securitas** · 2012-02-17

It's funny, as soon as you left EVOL, our EU TZ started kicking ass with blackops.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-02-17

Originally Posted by Securitas

It's funny, as soon as you left EVOL, our EU TZ started kicking ass with blackops.

You say that - I've yet to see much on the kb..... Evol had been talking about doing that for ~6 months before I left and not turning up to my posted ops...

**Securitas** · 2012-02-17

Originally Posted by JimFromIT

You say that - I've yet to see much on the kb..... Evol had been talking about doing that for ~6 months before I left and not turning up to my posted ops...

http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=12468583
http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=12455124
http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=12446654 (messed up br)
http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=12439125
http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_rel...ll_id=12412984

**JimFromIT** · 2012-02-17

Ahh- so they are dropping recons rather than bombers - fair enough.

As I said, when I left we had been talking about it for months and at some point you have to stop waiting for something to happen. I'm glad all my evo-bros are having fun, tell Wile to look after my mum

**Chopin** · 2012-02-17

and 6 months is a long time to wait.

**Chopin** · 2012-02-18

Wonders why I can only see 7 test jabber channels all day-see I've joined public server...

**Don Peyote** · 2012-02-18

Hit leetcheese up for secret jabber channel access - all the cool kids in EVE hang out there

Don't leak to pubbies

**Chopin** · 2012-02-21

Just participated in our first op since moving

tidi fucked up our bombing runs, but we managed to kill some shit after it had died down with our TES/FA/others I've forgotten!

**Matos** · 2012-03-01

So how often do you get a Chance to do Bombing runs?

**Themick** · 2012-03-03

(Warning, no bitterness in forthcoming post on Kugu)

This is actually an inspiring story, as I myself am part of a corp trying to make our way out into null-sec operations. Good to see that with a positive attitude and the right people it can happen.

Good luck in the future, hope you get lots of kills, and maybe we'll be trading km's back and forth one day.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-03-05

Originally Posted by Matos

So how often do you get a Chance to do Bombing runs?

We've done fewer than we'd like - we're still trying to figure out who we should be talking to about when bomber wings are formed as for some reason we are not seeing jabber pings for them. It's something we are working on - I'm hoping we can do more, it might even be that there isn't anyone able to fc the bomber wing in which case I suppose one of us could just step up and have a go.

Originally Posted by Themick

(Warning, no bitterness in forthcoming post on Kugu)

This is actually an inspiring story, as I myself am part of a corp trying to make our way out into null-sec operations. Good to see that with a positive attitude and the right people it can happen.

Good luck in the future, hope you get lots of kills, and maybe we'll be trading km's back and forth one day.

Thanks, I'm writing a new blog entry now that I'll post in the next few days - I've been surprised just how much work it's been starting a corp rather than just joining one - it's not an easy route to take and there's a lot more to do than simply fc'ing a bunch of friends. I find I spend 20-30 mins every day just going through admin stuff!

Good luck with your corp though - hope you find your way in null!

**SpankMe** · 2012-03-29

As soon your pilots get good at blops, penifsmash and dnsblack will probably try to poach them.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-03-29

Originally Posted by SpankMe

As soon your pilots get good at blops, penifsmash and dnsblack will probably try to poach them.

I doubt we are in any great danger then........

**JimFromIT** · 2012-04-12

Still looking for new guys - so far we've got a bit caught up in the war in the north - plan is to have s hort R&R break and go and make some trouble on our own mini-campaign (open to allies to pitch in too though) of grief.

**penifSMASH** · 2012-04-12

why would anyone join Generic CFC Corp #298

**anzoxe** · 2012-04-13

Originally Posted by penifSMASH

why would anyone join Generic CFC Corp #298

are they in the cfc

am i being trolled

**JimFromIT** · 2012-04-17

You join a corp not an alliance or even coalition - while we are not he special little snowflakes I originally hoped it's turned out a hell of a lot better for us than continuing to piss around in lowsec. Members have stuff available to them pretty much round the clock - whereas until that point there was only me running stuff for people on teh evenings I play.

**zapo** · 2012-04-17

i have to agreee - id love to get back into the game, even though I never took that far.. And this corp seems great considering I'm just a drunk now and a smoker, and roaming with bombs sounds superb... but where is everyones love of the independents and the little guys taking on you stupid faggots who seem to think bullying people with blue balls or supers is some how reasonable game play.. IN fact i bet JIM and co probably tried in low sec and got sick of being outdone with stupid blobbing in low sec - or being entirely useless...

In fact my overall impression is that they realised the sheer scale of making a really good PVP Corp takes (daily) a lot of ( nerd life ) dedication.

Creating something from scratch in eve is to be highly admired,.,, If anything you chest beating pidgeon heads can agree on - beating anyone when your new and setting up/doctrines/discipline/security is to be admired......

But what I would agree with PenifSmash is that why the fuck did you join the CFC, considering they are biggest faggots in the game atm - and essentially no worse than the bloc they replaced ( NC ) . 0.0 is way too polar atm...

I know NAP, is bad.. but NIPs too.. we have this stupid two block shit going on - even now - because the precedent set by the GBC has never been reversed!!!

.. Really... We need stuff to break up a bit,, and let entropy take effect..

WHEN WILL YOU REALISE THIS..

Id love to play the one game I love again.

I will join you with decent chars, if i can bare to play this game again

but leave the fucking CFC and Exe!!! Delegate and grow! And let me be a casual drunk gamer, who will claim to lead small gangs and invariably fall asleep..... THIS IS FUN. Struggle! Against the odds! In fact be indepedent FFS... it wasnt that hard before, its not now,.,, harass and terror the shits everywhere,,,

now thats a reason to make a corp.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-04-18

If we were a 30 man corp with a couple of guys running ops I would probably have taken a different route, but when you are starting off from literally 2 people you are caught in somethign of a vicious circle - if you don't play every night the few members you have will get bored and leave. If your members leave you are back to only having the one person running stuff. And yes, we got jumpoed on a lot when we ran small gangs in lowsec but we found ways round that.

What I couldn't work round however was my members saying they wanted to experience the huge fights they read about - I had to make a choice between making the corp fit my idea of what I wanted or what the members wanted. In that situation your members have to come first - making them do what I want while pandering to my ego is not going to entertain them - which in turn is going to make them leave. I'd rather have a happy corp than an inflated ego.

**Phreeze** · 2012-04-20

This is cool stuff Jim.

My old corp (during my illustriously catastrophic reign as CEO) had its best times working covert ops gangs.

**akatookey** · 2012-04-21

Hey, I'm blue with you now! Let's run around and do shit!

Stratter · 2012-05-22

Hey Jim- I'm still relatively new to the EVE world, but this corp sounds like a good time. I'll drop you guys a line in game.

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-05-22

Can you post some sick BR's and let us know how you're doing?

I want to cry tears of joy as I read about a young corp exploring the big world.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-05-22

I/We've mostly been doing horrific horrific logistics stuff over the last couple of weeks. When we first went north to join in the cfc wars in branch we hired a jf to move everything up there. As we are broke scrubs (Chopin thought he had lost the entire corp hangars so replaced all 30 fit-bombers only to find the original 30 in the deliveries hangar!) I thought I would attempt to move it all to fountain by carrier - which was something of a nightmare!

It hasn't helped that I had to take a few weeks out of the game due to some family stuff and Chopin has moved into a semi-built house after taking a job that originally required a 6 hour round trip commute (due to the house not being built!). We're working on getting some decent corp income at the moment - we had the stellar idea of mining 30x chrom/caesium moons originally but after running the numbers we decided that the income wasn't worth the amount of eye-gouging mindlessness required so we have gone for alternatives ways of making some money.

We've had a new guy learn not to bomb our own fleet which was pretty funny, members have been shooting stuff in WH space and stealing POS's. A couple pf the new guys have got a taste for running about lowsec in bombers (no bubbles) and are getting some kills there which is pretty awesome, nothing spectacular but the attitude is really nice, I'm pretty proud of then tbh. I welped a bomber in a blops drop the other day which was fun, but due to my recent RL problems members have mostly just been joining TEST bomber gangs or EXE fleets. We're still pretty much scrubs to be fair - but I'm pretty cool about that becasue we are having fun being scrubs. We trim inactives pretty often so have grown at a slower rate than I'd initially hoped but it's a steady upwards climb which is good enough for me.

Overall we're just settling more into EXE - the members really like it here, the attitude is fun and laid back and there is always plenty of stuff to join in with. Going forward we still have some of Cloud ring to clear up but I have a couple of fun ideas to try out when I get back from holiday which should net either nice kills or comedy welps! We should be able to start reimbursing most of the members losses soon which will be good and mean they need to spend less time carebearing!

**JimFromIT** · 2012-05-22

Originally Posted by Stratter

Hey Jim- I'm still relatively new to the EVE world, but this corp sounds like a good time. I'll drop you guys a line in game.

I'll probably not be on till Thursday/Friday but feel fre to hang out in the public channel and talk to the guys ect.

**Chopin** · 2012-05-22

I shall be online. I recruit anyone if you give me a cookie. (Don't tell Jim though)

Hey Jim- I'm still relatively new to the EVE world, but this corp sounds like a good time. I'll drop you guys a line in game.

Even if you are new, we will have a role for you. It's not about whether you're new, it's about whether you're interested in learning how to die horribly and likely to your friends in fleet that's the key to our corp.

I think in the main, people need to get over the whole serious business of eve and learn that, it's just a game. I couldn't care if you were spinning ships in the station hangar for a spinning tournament. If that's what you want to do, that's your prerogative.

**Rer** · 2012-06-12

How's things gents? Chopin still hasn't logged on to play Poker with me

so I hope things are going well corp-wise

**JimFromIT** · 2012-06-18

Thinks are pretty good - some of our guys have recently got a taste for scamming and are busy attempting to rent NPC fountain out to anyone who is interested. Chopin is still not actually playing - so no big change there!

We've got a couple more new players - going to try and get them to train for mallers for hotdrop baits and tackle in AHAC fleets. I've also booted a bunch of people for not logging on for ages.

**Securitas** · 2012-06-18

Originally Posted by JimFromIT

Thinks are pretty good - some of our guys have recently got a taste for scamming and are busy attempting to rent NPC fountain out to anyone who is interested. Chopin is still not actually playing - so no big change there!

We've got a couple more new players - going to try and get them to train for mallers for hotdrop baits and tackle in AHAC fleets. I've also booted a bunch of people for not logging on for ages.

Are they succeeding? In the scamming, that is.

**Chopin** · 2012-06-18

Chopin is still not actually playing

Scandalous.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-06-19

Originally Posted by Securitas

Are they succeeding? In the scamming, that is.

I think it's still a a work in progress - so far they have been offering mercenary services to guys who have been getting killed by gankers or have been wardecced. This essentially involves finding a recent killmail and telling the mark that they arranged it - so far they have scooped 600-700mil like this - I have never tried scamming as I find it really hard to belive that it can work, but the more time I spend playing eve the more I'm coming to realise that people can actually be this stupid and not find a way to prune themselves out of the genepool.

**Chopin** · 2012-06-19

They also did some shit in a wormhole.

**Kanloch** · 2012-06-19

Originally Posted by JimFromIT

I think it's still a a work in progress - so far they have been offering mercenary services to guys who have been getting killed by gankers or have been wardecced. This essentially involves finding a recent killmail and telling the mark that they arranged it - so far they have scooped 600-700mil like this - I have never tried scamming as I find it really hard to belive that it can work, but the more time I spend playing eve the more I'm coming to realise that people can actually be this stupid and not find a way to prune themselves out of the genepool.

It's amazing what people in eve will still fall for; recruitment scams are still very profitable if you find the right amount of stupid and rich.

**Securitas** · 2012-06-19

Originally Posted by Kanloch

It's amazing what people in eve will still fall for; recruitment scams are still very profitable if you find the right amount of stupid and rich.

Kanloch gains 1.5b, I gain a recruit.

**Kanloch** · 2012-06-19

It was 2b.

Dude obviously got scammed twice when he ended up in concordiat.

**Chopin** · 2012-07-09

So we've recruited our first supercaps pilot..no fucking clue what to do with him now though. But I'm pretty content with the way things are going despite being without a phone line (thanks BT) Our reimbursement plan has now rolled into action, we've now got roughly 40-50% of our pilots in blop ships ands yes penif we're still generic cfc corp number 289. We're close to hitting our target of pilots recruited for the first half, so all in all pretty happy..apart from BT fucking me around with no phone line

**Grim** · 2012-07-09

Originally Posted by Chopin

So we've recruited our first supercaps pilot..no fucking clue what to do with him now though. But I'm pretty content with the way things are going despite being without a phone line (thanks BT) Our reimbursement plan has now rolled into action, we've now got roughly 40-50% of our pilots in blop ships ands yes penif we're still generic cfc corp number 289. We're close to hitting our target of pilots recruited for the first half, so all in all pretty happy..apart from BT fucking me around with no phone line

I can't imagine playing eve through a phone line...

**JimFromIT** · 2012-07-09

Heh - I should probably do more to explain stuff to bowkers - ability to fly scaps does not translate to actual scaps :P

**Chopin** · 2012-07-09

**domino** · 2012-07-10

Originally Posted by JimFromIT

I doubt we are in any great danger then........

Now I've joined I think I'm making the average look shite

Great corp, good fun. Recommend it to anyone who wants a small corps who do sneaky stuff.

Although I will point out my new corpies laughed at my pristine sec status ... cheeky bastards.

**Chopin** · 2012-07-11

ohgod we let another one in?!

**Roghie** · 2012-07-17

I'd reccomend anyone for this corp, Newbies, bittervets, hey even PL spais so Chopin doesnt feel so lonely. It's great fun and even if you can't do black ops yet you happen to be in the CFC and you can then fly whatever you want.

**JimFromIT** · 2012-08-28

We're still terrible but if you're terrible and looking for a corp give us a shout!

**domino** · 2012-08-28

Having spent some time in this corp I can confirm that the you are either pulling off epic wins, or hilarious fails. Either way, it's good fun.

There is almost nothing as funny as listening to Jim's heavy breathing during tense PVP moments ..... well maybe when Chopin flounces off after he get whelped by a daft FC

L33T PVP (not)