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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Market Dude View Post
    yeah...when somebody finds the solution to blobbing, be sure to let ccp know.
    Solution? I was under the impression after the last... I don't know, every Fan Fest, CCP would like to see larger wars, bigger fights.

    This year they repeated 2000 of your friends against 2000 of your enemies, how many times? We have yet to see a fight this large in EVE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post
    I spend basically all my time 'in EVE' focusing on leadership. The actual game bores the hell out of me, but where most alliance leaders are EVE nerds who enjoy playing the game and have to distract themselves from gameplay to lead, all I do is politics/espionage/diplomacy/leadership; each of those areas overlap significantly in terms of skillset.

    So it's not that I'm some kind of magical unicorn, if you spent years and years getting inside people's heads and dissecting how they tick, you get good at this stuff too. I was an absolutely godawful leader back in 2007 and had no idea what the fuck I was doing; it's just practice, experimentation, and more practice.

    Realtalk: part of the reason why I giggle every time there's a RARR BLOBBERS whine is that the basic human unit in EVE is essentially tribal; about 100-150 dudes. It's tremendously difficult to forge a united identity across tribes and band them into a 'nation', much less getting each tribal unit to accept the kind of military discipline necessary to survive. There have been any number of 'low skill' coalitions in EVE's history, which just gather pots and pans fleets under any number of FCs and throw them at something (NC is a perfect example of this). What I've been working on is something much more difficult, yet much more effective - a unified command structure, tight discipline across all levels of each organization, and clear goals/expectations about what each 'tribe' should do.

    The NC couldn't even get their tribes to adopt a unified fleet doctrine. Their FCs would go have meetings - endless meetings - and argue and come up with nothing. So the NC would go to try to defend itself with random piles of shit. In the Clusterfuck, if you have a Scimitar, Huginn, or Drake/Mael/Cane, you can fight in any of our fleets, regardless of which alliance you're a part of.

    This shit gets really deep then you end up comparing leadership styles of autocrats, how engaged they are, the balance of terror, blah blah. We have a competitive advantage merely because we have a 'leadership specialist' in charge; as the game evolves other people will begin to do as I have, and that advantage will gradually winnow away.
    how to blob tldr: recruit anyone with a pulse and blue everyone

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post
    k/ds gonna k/d, i'm just going to lean back and conquer a region with six fleets while banned, don't mind me
    not sure what youre smug about. shooting structures or blobbing?? kinda funny that you're so scared to fight that you had to make a nip with pl, cause outnumbering the enemy by 4:1 instead of 5:1 would be too scary. im sure your members are having fun grinding structures while you have fun in other games though

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurrHurrDurr View Post
    I mean, say what you will about the CFC, but when it comes right down to it, and it's important, we can drop the hammer. We're capable of defending our space.

    Groups like -A- that lose their space, live in Stain and then retake the space because pretty much no one wants it are terrible. I think that the southern slumlording is a little ridiculous.
    This post is very funny. I am sure TEST wouldnt hold their space in a 1v1 with raiden or ncdot. The only reason you have space now is due to Goons and the NC. TEST itself has never fought for sov by themselves or with less than 40k people backing them up.

    Groups like -A- at least have a back bone big enough not to nap/nip/circle jerk 40k other players.

    The downside to being a member of the CFC is that Goons are the new BoB and the rest of you are the GBC.

    Congrats on turning into what you hated the most Goonswarm.

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    Just a heads up, the NC has been dead for...gosh, how long now? A year? Year and a half?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    This post is very funny. I am sure TEST wouldnt hold their space in a 1v1 with raiden or ncdot. The only reason you have space now is due to Goons and the NC. TEST itself has never fought for sov by themselves or with less than 40k people backing them up.

    Groups like -A- at least have a back bone big enough not to nap/nip/circle jerk 40k other players.

    The downside to being a member of the CFC is that Goons are the new BoB and the rest of you are the GBC.

    Congrats on turning into what you hated the most Goonswarm.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix Lag View Post
    Just a heads up, the NC has been dead for...gosh, how long now? A year? Year and a half?
    And BoB's been dead for 5. Fuck sake, I think I was an ISS pubbie at the time.

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    Mittani, serious question: Do you think the state you (your coalition) is in right now is desirable? You could conquer any region you want within weeks, why do you still let your 'empire' grow? Whats your goal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ente View Post
    Mittani, serious question: Do you think the state you (your coalition) is in right now is desirable? You could conquer any region you want within weeks, why do you still let your 'empire' grow? Whats your goal?
    Not to answer for him, but no new entities have been 'added' to our coalition since Black-Mark which is almost a year now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    This post is very funny. I am sure TEST wouldnt hold their space in a 1v1 with raiden or ncdot. The only reason you have space now is due to Goons and the NC. TEST itself has never fought for sov by themselves or with less than 40k people backing them up.

    Groups like -A- at least have a back bone big enough not to nap/nip/circle jerk 40k other players.

    The downside to being a member of the CFC is that Goons are the new BoB and the rest of you are the GBC.

    Congrats on turning into what you hated the most Goonswarm.
    What sets us apart from the GBC is that we fight our wars alongside all the other members. BOB would send the fodder in first, if things looked good they would claim the glory from the back. If things went bad they would blame everyone else but themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moph View Post
    Ive always wondered what attracts so many people to goons + pets(or any large coalition for that case). Like already said in the talk of blobbing most people that join these alliances, just follow fc orders and f1 + f2, having never been part of a large coalition, isnt it more fun to actually learn to get better at pvp via small gang/solo pvp? surely there is a point when you turn into a drone, doing nothing but orbiting/shooting/jumping and skill comes into it alot less?
    See here's the thing. You clearly know nothing about invasions because an invasion doesn't just consist of one large laggy fight every few days. Epic scale regional warfare between alliances and blocs with thousands or tens of thousands of players involved is total war around the clock, 23.5/7. We camp their staging systems with small groups of dedicated fighters. Roaming gangs pick off stragglers that fall behind the big fleets. We hunt enemy ratters and industrialists. Blackops groups hotdrop targets of opportunity. We hunt their logistics teams and try to kill their freighters/JFs/ninja onlining SBUs/offlining towers/etc. Scouts and spies watch the enemy at all times, delivering up to the second intelligence to our planning staff. Our super marketeers fight the enemy by screwing up their nullsec markets and providing our pilots with the enormous numbers of ships, mods, ammo and fuel that drive an invasion. We constantly harass and annoy the enemy every chance we get, from a solo dramiel pilot killing off some dude moving his combat ship to a gang of sniper T3 BCs picking off ships on the enemy homesystem.

    This is why the CFC steamrolls regions, because we've figured out the total eve package, not just "get a bunch of 50m SP pilots and put them in abaddons and hope you win a fight and if not enter the Titans". NCdot and Raiden more or less do nothing unless it involves a timer and a CTA. The CFC plays the invasion game from bottom to top, from a rifter doing a bubble camp to shooting structures with a Super fleet. From an individual poster like me getting one guy to realize its over, to coalition level diplomatic/spying efforts that break up the enemy coalition and isolate its members, ripe for picking off one by one. From a solo marketeer getting 20 pilots the faction heavy missiles they need to an entire team working together to supply ten thousand pilots with the maelstroms and drakes and fittings they need, to coalition-wide efforts to move SBUs, towers, and fuel for the capital fleet.

    There is tremendous logistical effort, strategic planning, and tactical know-how that goes into creating a gigantic multi-coalition fleet battle before an individual fleet battleship pilot ever gets to obit his FC at 2500 and press his F1 key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Market Dude View Post
    yeah...when somebody finds the solution to blobbing, be sure to let ccp know.
    instances

    require a minimum of 100 ships for both sides, with a max of the lowest amount of ships one side brings (ex: if the smaller side brings 200, the other side can also only bring 200 max). it could also use a point system like the alliance tourny. this would mean sov will be about pure skill, strategy and tactics

    Quote Originally Posted by Fix Lag View Post
    Point is you, suck and we're taking your shit

    pretty sure anyone could recruit a thousand retards if they wanted to. i'm not sure if you guys are being sarcastic about being smug about blobbing or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannarious View Post
    I think some people mistakenly believe that Sov Warfare is for ~gudfites~ between equally matched groups fighting honourable conflicts; Rifters at dawn if you will. It's not. Sov Warfare is Total War where Alliances or groups of Alliances use all resources at their disposal in whatever tactics they determine work best, space honor be damned. Sov Warfare is not a Limited War where there are a set of unwritten rules and lines not to be crossed.

    CCP's problem is that they have a system in place to handle Total War (Sov Warfare) with tangible risk and reward to keep those people entertained, but not those who favor a Limited War. Capsuleers who want to engage in a Total War are satisfied, but those who want to fight a Limited One are not, so they bitch incessantly on forums about blobbing, titan tracking, small alliances with no friends get stomped on (duh), and the like. Faction Warfare is probably the closest thing to having an honourable Limited War against evenly match sides, but at the moment it's all risk and no reward, so no one imporant does it. Hopefully with the upcoming War Dec and Faction Warfare changes, we may see some inroads into giving another viable option to Sov Warfare or Carebearing for those of us who like to shoot things. But then again, probably not.
    In the less valuable areas of space, there are often much smaller conflicts. If you have ever lived in Curse, it's a pretty awesome place if you are interested in so-called "Limited War." Also, the old Delve Thunderdome was good. I think if CCP added more npc space to the game, it would see more smaller alliances getting into null sec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INtarKll View Post
    instances

    require a minimum of 100 ships for both sides, with a max of the lowest amount of ships one side brings (ex: if the smaller side brings 200, the other side can also only bring 200 max). it could also use a point system like the alliance tourny. this would mean sov will be about pure skill, strategy and tactics

    holy FUCK thats so stupid on so many levels what the fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by INtarKll View Post
    how to blob tldr: recruit anyone with a pulse and blue everyone



    not sure what youre smug about. shooting structures or blobbing?? kinda funny that you're so scared to fight that you had to make a nip with pl, cause outnumbering the enemy by 4:1 instead of 5:1 would be too scary. im sure your members are having fun grinding structures while you have fun in other games though
    It really sounds like you want to lose at eve in some giant french melodramatic way that make your enemy feel that he's really the one that lost all along. This is something we goons call E honor.

    I've made that damn spelling mistake in memo's before.

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    I think the two of you are more stupid for quoting him and paying attention to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INtarKll View Post
    instances

    require a minimum of 100 ships for both sides, with a max of the lowest amount of ships one side brings (ex: if the smaller side brings 200, the other side can also only bring 200 max). it could also use a point system like the alliance tourny. this would mean sov will be about pure skill, strategy and tactics
    Oh hey, a terrible response from a terrible poster to a facetious question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ente View Post
    Mittani, serious question: Do you think the state you (your coalition) is in right now is desirable? You could conquer any region you want within weeks, why do you still let your 'empire' grow? Whats your goal?
    You don't seem to have any idea what we actually do, given how unmoored from reality your question is.

    The CFC succeeds not because it grows, but because I am constantly looking for an excuse to purge membership. I was actually pretty furious at Zagdul when he brought BLM onboard like a lost puppy, but they proved themselves in wartime so they were rewarded. I also was on the verge of murdering FCON and Convicted both, but they fixed their shit. We have some fairly advanced tracking tools to judge participation. The NC had an insane amount of numbers, but their actual % of participation was abysmal.

    Goal? For a while the goal was just the same as ever - to defend our people and ensure our ancient enemies were not able to threaten us. Now, I want to grab the game and make it scream and bleed and beg for mercy and respite, as cries of 'sociopath' and 'psychopath' issue forth from Jita and fall on deaf ears. I don't usually plan beyond a month ahead though, because events and black swans always crop up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    See here's the thing. You clearly know nothing about invasions because an invasion doesn't just consist of one large laggy fight every few days. Epic scale regional warfare between alliances and blocs with thousands or tens of thousands of players involved is total war around the clock, 23.5/7. We camp their staging systems with small groups of dedicated fighters. Roaming gangs pick off stragglers that fall behind the big fleets. We hunt enemy ratters and industrialists. Blackops groups hotdrop targets of opportunity. We hunt their logistics teams and try to kill their freighters/JFs/ninja onlining SBUs/offlining towers/etc. Scouts and spies watch the enemy at all times, delivering up to the second intelligence to our planning staff. Our super marketeers fight the enemy by screwing up their nullsec markets and providing our pilots with the enormous numbers of ships, mods, ammo and fuel that drive an invasion. We constantly harass and annoy the enemy every chance we get, from a solo dramiel pilot killing off some dude moving his combat ship to a gang of sniper T3 BCs picking off ships on the enemy homesystem.

    This is why the CFC steamrolls regions, because we've figured out the total eve package, not just "get a bunch of 50m SP pilots and put them in abaddons and hope you win a fight and if not enter the Titans". NCdot and Raiden more or less do nothing unless it involves a timer and a CTA. The CFC plays the invasion game from bottom to top, from a rifter doing a bubble camp to shooting structures with a Super fleet. From an individual poster like me getting one guy to realize its over, to coalition level diplomatic/spying efforts that break up the enemy coalition and isolate its members, ripe for picking off one by one. From a solo marketeer getting 20 pilots the faction heavy missiles they need to an entire team working together to supply ten thousand pilots with the maelstroms and drakes and fittings they need, to coalition-wide efforts to move SBUs, towers, and fuel for the capital fleet.

    There is tremendous logistical effort, strategic planning, and tactical know-how that goes into creating a gigantic multi-coalition fleet battle before an individual fleet battleship pilot ever gets to obit his FC at 2500 and press his F1 key.
    This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read, just hope you know that it literally reads as absolute bullshit, and I'm pretty sure you're the only one who believes it.


    EDIT: To be clear you don't do anything different anybody else does, you just do it with 10 times more people than anybody else in the game is capable of putting forth - and thats what you've figured out, not some magical formula for victory in the stuff you do, its that numbers, even unskilled retards, are better than anything else in EVE, and now, you've effectively captured your last region that will net you fights.



    You've cast your self down with the sodomites now, your future is blue ball structure grinding ops for every single region you will go for as you have purged the last opponent would would ever fight you, and there are no coalitions that match your size. You have effectively 'won eve' until the rot that took the NC out takes you out too.


    I know i know, you wanted to avoid that, and so you planned to leave NCdot alive so you'd have an enemy nearby, but thats kinda laughable that an alliance the size of NCdot is supposed to provide entertainment for a Coalition your size. IRC will get mauled over the next few months as some of your only available roaming territory, as you have effectively sealed yourself into your home by taking out anything within half the game for you. You have, despite your best efforts to avoid it, built yourself the same tomb that Vuk Lau built, complete with RAZOR retaking the exact region that killed their alliance in the first place. In a non shocker RAZOR is no different than AAA, and will obsessively go for the same place that always causes them problems.


    So now we start the long wait where nothing happens in EVE because like the fat kid in front of the birthday cake you didn't just know when to shut your mouth and stop eating.

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    say that to my face not online faggot

    1v1 right now my alliance vs ur alliance on the sun nerd blobber faglord

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    I think what Grath is trying to say here is kill yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read, just hope you know that it literally reads as absolute bullshit, and I'm pretty sure you're the only one who believes it.


    EDIT: To be clear you don't do anything different anybody else does, you just do it with 10 times more people than anybody else in the game is capable of putting forth - and thats what you've figured out, not some magical formula for victory in the stuff you do, its that numbers, even unskilled retards, are better than anything else in EVE, and now, you've effectively captured your last region that will net you fights.



    You've cast your self down with the sodomites now, your future is blue ball structure grinding ops for every single region you will go for as you have purged the last opponent would would ever fight you, and there are no coalitions that match your size. You have effectively 'won eve' until the rot that took the NC out takes you out too.


    I know i know, you wanted to avoid that, and so you planned to leave NCdot alive so you'd have an enemy nearby, but thats kinda laughable that an alliance the size of NCdot is supposed to provide entertainment for a Coalition your size. IRC will get mauled over the next few months as some of your only available roaming territory, as you have effectively sealed yourself into your home by taking out anything within half the game for you. You have, despite your best efforts to avoid it, built yourself the same tomb that Vuk Lau built, complete with RAZOR retaking the exact region that killed their alliance in the first place. In a non shocker RAZOR is no different than AAA, and will obsessively go for the same place that always causes them problems.


    So now we start the long wait where nothing happens in EVE because like the fat kid in front of the birthday cake you didn't just know when to shut your mouth and stop eating.
    so what your saying is NC won eve and now goons have

    whats your point?

    you cant be mad that they arent playing "your" game?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Opti View Post
    so what your saying is NC won eve and now goons have
    whats your point?
    you cant be mad that they arent playing "your" game?
    Every post you make, goes a little farther in proving that your mother and father were actually brother and sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read, just hope you know that it literally reads as absolute bullshit, and I'm pretty sure you're the only one who believes it.


    EDIT: To be clear you don't do anything different anybody else does, you just do it with 10 times more people than anybody else in the game is capable of putting forth - and thats what you've figured out, not some magical formula for victory in the stuff you do, its that numbers, even unskilled retards, are better than anything else in EVE, and now, you've effectively captured your last region that will net you fights.



    You've cast your self down with the sodomites now, your future is blue ball structure grinding ops for every single region you will go for as you have purged the last opponent would would ever fight you, and there are no coalitions that match your size. You have effectively 'won eve' until the rot that took the NC out takes you out too.


    I know i know, you wanted to avoid that, and so you planned to leave NCdot alive so you'd have an enemy nearby, but thats kinda laughable that an alliance the size of NCdot is supposed to provide entertainment for a Coalition your size. IRC will get mauled over the next few months as some of your only available roaming territory, as you have effectively sealed yourself into your home by taking out anything within half the game for you. You have, despite your best efforts to avoid it, built yourself the same tomb that Vuk Lau built, complete with RAZOR retaking the exact region that killed their alliance in the first place. In a non shocker RAZOR is no different than AAA, and will obsessively go for the same place that always causes them problems.


    So now we start the long wait where nothing happens in EVE because like the fat kid in front of the birthday cake you didn't just know when to shut your mouth and stop eating.
    this is coming from pl. dont act like you care about fights, all you care about is protecting your tech. you are A PART of the cfc, because you have a nip or "bropact" with them and helped them indirectly by abandoning your "allies". you're crying about no coalition being strong enough to fight the cfc, yet there was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Every post you make, goes a little farther in proving that your mother and father were actually brother and sister.
    you insult me garth but we do share the same dreams

    I also hope tomorrow the CFC does a complete reset and start raping each other, then when raiden, NC, AAA, PL, Solar, bricklolcuntsquad, nullti seconda, other random cunts come for dat tech suddenly the mittani is out a kingdom

    i too dont care that one side of those cunts aint gonna respect any elite pvp reset lets roam each other lolololols m8 v0v0v0v0v

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    Quote Originally Posted by INtarKll View Post
    you are A PART of the cfc, because you have a nip or "bropact" with them
    You heard it here first, I want my CFC jabber and mumble access, and I'll need the use of that jump bridge highway too


    EDIT: And Opti, i fully have absolutely no expectations of them resetting anybody, that is the best part about it. They've effectively ground themselves into a hole, and the only person at the bottom of it is themselves.

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    welp, game over

    time to become an empire wardec corp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read, just hope you know that it literally reads as absolute bullshit, and I'm pretty sure you're the only one who believes it.


    EDIT: To be clear you don't do anything different anybody else does, you just do it with 10 times more people than anybody else in the game is capable of putting forth - and thats what you've figured out, not some magical formula for victory in the stuff you do, its that numbers, even unskilled retards, are better than anything else in EVE, and now, you've effectively captured your last region that will net you fights.



    You've cast your self down with the sodomites now, your future is blue ball structure grinding ops for every single region you will go for as you have purged the last opponent would would ever fight you, and there are no coalitions that match your size. You have effectively 'won eve' until the rot that took the NC out takes you out too.


    I know i know, you wanted to avoid that, and so you planned to leave NCdot alive so you'd have an enemy nearby, but thats kinda laughable that an alliance the size of NCdot is supposed to provide entertainment for a Coalition your size. IRC will get mauled over the next few months as some of your only available roaming territory, as you have effectively sealed yourself into your home by taking out anything within half the game for you. You have, despite your best efforts to avoid it, built yourself the same tomb that Vuk Lau built, complete with RAZOR retaking the exact region that killed their alliance in the first place. In a non shocker RAZOR is no different than AAA, and will obsessively go for the same place that always causes them problems.


    So now we start the long wait where nothing happens in EVE because like the fat kid in front of the birthday cake you didn't just know when to shut your mouth and stop eating.
    Grath, I'm not saying doing invasions the CFC way is ~good for eve~. Or even good for ourselves in the long term. I'm just saying that if you're going to be throwing your weight around you better be doing it in the most effective manner possible or risk getting wiped out. Raiden and NCdot and their supporters would have had no qualms about erasing the CFC from the galaxy if they were able, but they weren't able to and now they are paying the price.

    Where that leaves the CFC 6 months from now is an open question, but we do a pretty good job finding entertainment so I think we'll be alright.

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    Thread: Tenal/Venal Warzone...
    Maybe you shouldnt have killed the biggest roaming group for your coalition. Oops
    IDK who you think was the biggest roaming group but OK bru if you say so, I guess we killed them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Raiden and NCdot and their supporters would have had no qualms about erasing the CFC from the galaxy if they were able, but they weren't able to and now they are paying the price.
    I know people talked about it, but you can correct me where I'm wrong:


    When did they try to wipe you out? And please don't bring up shit that happened 3 years ago under the helm of the pink hat wearing shit bag.


    EDIT: I say this because Shadoo makes us fucking think about what fights we get into before we bother getting in them, will our arrival kill the fight, will our arrival tip the balance too far one way, ect, its really fucking gay but generally its good for the game. The approach taken here is pretty much the exact opposite, and I just don't remember any of your enemies ever saying that their intent was to remove you or 'erasing' you, as I think anybody with half a brain realizes how not possible that really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yue View Post
    wat?

    When was the last time some small gang or kickass solo pvp video came out of a blob-empire? I don't think someone said they are necessarily mutually exclusive, but let's be honest here, you don't see the news Prom or Kil2 making vids in GSF right now.
    You may not have noticed this but we're kicking the shit out of everyone in mainfleet and yet no one is making videos of that either. Video != activity. We have some of the nastiest black ops pilots in existence, and delvegoons has always been small gang oriented. There are tons of little clique groups in GSF alone that run out and murder tons of shit nightly to no fanfaire. Not that you'd ever hear any because frankly our regular activities kinda drown that stuff out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grogoth View Post
    OH YEAH?!?!?!

    READY THE TBDCATS
    Yeah because that went so well last time you FC'd TBDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    Groups like -A- at least have a back bone big enough not to nap/nip/circle jerk 40k other players.
    I thought having a back bone implied you could defend your space, not run for the hills to wulfpax and take things back once everyone else left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    IDK who you think was the biggest roaming group but OK bru if you say so, I guess we killed them.




    I know people talked about it, but you can correct me where I'm wrong:


    When did they try to wipe you out? And please don't bring up shit that happened 3 years ago under the helm of the pink hat wearing shit bag.


    EDIT: I say this because Shadoo makes us fucking think about what fights we get into before we bother getting in them, will our arrival kill the fight, will our arrival tip the balance too far one way, ect, its really fucking gay but generally its good for the game. The approach taken here is pretty much the exact opposite, and I just don't remember any of your enemies ever saying that their intent was to remove you or 'erasing' you, as I think anybody with half a brain realizes how not possible that really is.
    White noise planned to invade dek (again). It was leaked by a spy and the CFC hit them with a preemptive strike. raiden, NCdot, ev0ke, init, and a slew of other people backed them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Player of no importance View Post
    In the less valuable areas of space, there are often much smaller conflicts. If you have ever lived in Curse, it's a pretty awesome place if you are interested in so-called "Limited War." Also, the old Delve Thunderdome was good. I think if CCP added more npc space to the game, it would see more smaller alliances getting into null sec.
    Very good point. Maybe have a point to NPC space other than a base of operations and moons? Don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    You heard it here first, I want my CFC jabber and mumble access, and I'll need the use of that jump bridge highway too


    EDIT: And Opti, i fully have absolutely no expectations of them resetting anybody, that is the best part about it. They've effectively ground themselves into a hole, and the only person at the bottom of it is themselves.
    If it quacks like a duck (nip with goons) it probably is a duck (is part of the CFC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Market Dude View Post
    1) You can rep it back past that point or regen or whatever. All you have to do is create a system where you can inflict damage to isk-generation beyond the time spent actually sitting in the space but below destroying (or reinforcing) expensive infrastructure. The exact details are for somebody who gets paid as a career to figure out.
    This is exactly what I'm talking about. A "reasonable level of HP" for a small gang = me AFKing three stealth bombers every night, just to piss people off and grind down their participation. Risk-free. Any kind of proposal to "punish" "carebears" for not waking up at 4AM their time or taking time off work to stop me from doing my thing semi-AFK is just going to make nullsec living even worse than it is currently.

    2) Balance risk and reward to the point where it's more worth it to defend space than hop on a hisec alt. Again, a simple matter of detail.
    It's never going to be balanced, because one of them requires you get yelled at by some angry nerd who assumes you know as much about spaceships as him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    White noise planned to invade dek (again). It was leaked by a spy and the CFC hit them with a preemptive strike. raiden, NCdot, ev0ke, init, and a slew of other people backed them up.
    Yeah I'm sure White Noise was a credible threat to Ze Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by lothos View Post
    If it quacks like a duck (nip with goons) it probably is a duck (is part of the CFC).
    Sweet, where can we pick up our 43 billion isk titans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcore View Post
    Can't we just all agree that the side that wins is the one that blobs?

    I mean, even in a fight between similarly active opponents, the losing alliance/coalition will steadily lose participation, creating the numbers gap the leads to accusations of blobbing.

    This whole conversation is redundant the the point of irrelevance and only serves to make one side feel morally superior to another.
    Yeah, pretty much this.
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    After reading Max's posts, I've decided that Goons really are the new BoB after all. They now have grunts who resemble the exact kind of deluded sycophants that once followed Sir Molle.

    Alliance leaders spin things when talking to their own followers far more than anyone else. If you want some real perspective, put some alts in other coalitions and fly with them.

    You will see that the CFC is not some special product of perfect evolution - it's just the biggest bloc in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    Sweet, where can we pick up our 43 billion isk titans?
    It depends, do you accept The Mittani as a third party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yang Wenli View Post
    After reading Max's posts, I've decided that Goons really are the new BoB after all. They now have grunts who resemble the exact kind of deluded sycophants that once followed Sir Molle.

    Alliance leaders spin things when talking to their own followers far more than anyone else. If you want some real perspective, put some alts in other coalitions and fly with them.

    You will see that the CFC is not some special product of perfect evolution - it's just the biggest bloc in town.
    thanks for this final judgement kugutsumen dot com poster 'yang wenli', the argument is now settled forever

    someone get me a pink hat and some rental income
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    AND A FUCKING SABRE BPO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    This is exactly what I'm talking about. A "reasonable level of HP" for a small gang = me AFKing three stealth bombers every night, just to piss people off and grind down their participation. Risk-free. Any kind of proposal to "punish" "carebears" for not waking up at 4AM their time or taking time off work to stop me from doing my thing semi-AFK is just going to make nullsec living even worse than it is currently.
    Still missing the point. If you're doing it long before my tz, then the effect will have worn off by the time i log in to make use of my space. Again, a simple matter of tweaking the details.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    It's never going to be balanced, because one of them requires you get yelled at by some angry nerd who assumes you know as much about spaceships as him.
    Meh, I have faith in a Great Rebalancing. Granted I don't expect other to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    White noise planned to invade dek (again). It was leaked by a spy and the CFC hit them with a preemptive strike. raiden, NCdot, ev0ke, init, and a slew of other people backed them up.
    Dude, it's not because Mittens says something to rally the troops that you have to repeat it here and make us all look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yang Wenli View Post
    Alliance leaders spin things when talking to their own followers far more than anyone else. If you want some real perspective, put some alts in other coalitions and fly with them.

    You will see that the CFC is not some special product of perfect evolution - it's just the biggest bloc in town.
    If you want to convince goons they're not special stop making them compare themselves to other alliances and start making them compare themselves to actualized people irl

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