Solution: make it so that tactic may work once or twice for Very Important Systems, but when you do that, the rest of your empire is vulnerable and can burn to the ground.
Make it so you have an incentive to defend more than 1 system at a time, i.e. chuck a fucktonne of gasoline on the current SOV system and burn that bitch to the fucking ground.
Haha you tipped your hand with that oneOriginally Posted by Grath
I'd actually like to test this because it seems like it should have improved in the past six months or so of lag reduction.
PS I've got a bomber alt cooking with no ties to GSF so if you want to go bomb some lagfest in October hit me up
I could get behind that.
I wish no man to ever have to suffer the Atlas defense.
We've tested it about a month ago, anything over 400 dudes and bombs start forgetting to explode.
EDIT: whats worse is when they remember to explode, but forget to move, so the first bomber wave comes in, drops bombs, warps off, 2nd wave lands, and gets obliterated by the first waves bombs that just sat where launched.
Damn, well maybe when time dila-ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
never gonna happen.
What happened to Pandemic "We'll cheerfully exploit whatever is OP right now and when it gets nerfed we'll just move on to the next OP thing" Legion?
Surely you don't need ?Supercaps?
That is fucking awesome.
Malcanis you got bitter in your old age, is it all that Molle in your alliance thats doing it or are you just really this jaded?
Its funny to watch people like you post, because its not like we haven't been owning in subcaps for a very long ass time, the game changes, we change, and 3 months after the change we're owning in something else.
If you wanted to know which post made you look like a faggot, it was that one.
stupid goonNOOBs dont understand anything about the current sov system except "my t1 blob doesnt always win". crashing nodes with numbers, they are the real new NC
Mr Rive is a horrible troll, but sometimes he takes time from his busy posting schedule and speaks the absolute truth. Yes, supers could use a nerf, but arguing that the biggest and most sp intensive ships in the game shouldn't be good because it's not fair to new players or those who can't afford them is not really constructive. Wanting something nerfed into the ground because your enemies have more of it than you do is an emotional reaction, but not a logical one.
If the hinted things come true, I would say we are on the right track. Much like the scram and web changes made frigs more survivable against the BS hegemony back in the day, a drone and tracking nerf will help smaller classes against supers. That said, it is imho reasonable to expect a substantial investment in time and ISK to perform well against a similarly, albeit in a more distributed fashion, invested enemy. Ideally with lots of dead ships on both sides.
I'm too nice to scam people.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
penifSMASH is so cute when he's desperately trying to troll.
He reminds me of the Simpsons' crazy cat lady. It ends up being funny.
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His quality has been dropping. The desperation is palpable; it's very off-putting (in the sense of creating uneasiness) and makes the trolls extremely transparent.
I'm too dumb.I'm too nice to scam people.
oh no a couple pubbie goonNOOBs dont like my posts and yet cant stop themselves from posting about it. increase your r/p to non-noob levels and maybe I might listen to what you have to say??
ROFL
Ok, that was good. The r/p was sweetcandy.
Seriously, it's like a cute little puppy. You just want to pet it.
I know. I even help his r/p sometimes with a "+rep for persistency", which obviously makes him happy.
It's like biscuits for tricks, even if it is always the same trick.
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This was the crowning gem of the slaughter: http://wialliance.killmail.org/?a=ki...ll_id=10567508 , no idea how many of them were real originals (quite a few got lifted by unscupulous jews, and the squad leader is still adding up the rest), bit it still makes for a pretty mail.
We were told there was 29 in their fleet, and i think only a Tengu got away from us (on top of those in your link, we bagged a Raven and Drake, a T2 fit Mach, a Noctis, a few Faction Frigs (I saw 2 Slicers and a Daredevil), and some T1 frigs). Allegedly there were very few tears (at least initially, some might have come since), and apparently the guy who lead them asked the guy who scammed them after where he went wrong.
I think the butchery got our blood up, as we pounced on a few Alliancemates who came in to swipe some of the haul, and looking at the killmails after, a few of those bluekills may have been innocent, but wrong-place-wrong-time and language-barrier and all that
how do people still fall for this stuff idgiThis was the crowning gem of the slaughter: http://wialliance.killmail.org/?a=ki...ll_id=10567508 , no idea how many of them were real originals (quite a few got lifted by unscupulous jews, and the squad leader is still adding up the rest), bit it still makes for a pretty mail.
We were told there was 29 in their fleet, and i think only a Tengu got away from us. Allegedly there were very few tears (at least initially, some might have come since), and apparently the guy who lead them asked the guy who scammed them after where he went wrong.
I think the butchery got our blood up, as we pounced on a few Alliancemates who came in to swipe some of the haul, and looking at the killmails after, a few of those bluekills may have been innocent, but wrong-place-wrong-time and language-barrier and all that
I'm sorry I can't hear you over all the Manny in your alliance.
DAMN!
http://wialliance.killmail.org/?a=ki...ll_id=10567508
Proper trap, or blue on blue?
Anyway, gratz on the haul.
It's oddly comforting to know that people still care enough about mining in 0.0 to move mining crystal BPCs.
Truly, the Platonic ideal of a goon op.
Thx for intel, Agathor.
Was just a random goon they contacted?
Damn, people still fall for that?
Crazy slaughter. I actually feel bad for them, but then again, they trusted Goons, so I guess they deserve it.
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Pretty sure it says right in the alliance description that if a goon talks to you it's a scam.
That reminds me though, why is our ticker CONDI ihdgi
Oh man, you need to look deeper, we have far worse skeletons in our closet then little old manny.
Seleene
sorry, I didn't catch that. Can you go over it once more, with feeling?
I think it meant to say, "niggers."
Wait, the bot has more rep than me?
I'm truly horrible.
Rambling. Maybe I'll edit it and make it neat. Later.Fuck. Wall of text. Why not finish it.
- There always needs to be something new and shiny for the older players to get into. Supers give old players an obvious BIG icon in the overview. They also take a decent amount of time to train into, but really, not enough. You can't change that, so people have been paying to train "supertoons" since Dominion, and those toons aren't balanced enough to do anything else, because fuck the extra skills you don't need to fly an Avatar or Nyx. You don't have to be a 2008 toon in 2011 to fly a Super. You might have more skills to make it better, but you don't. That's one problem.
- Maybe the skill tree for advanced ships needs to start at 8x and go up. It's maybe too late for the T3 cruisers, but what if a T3 BC with the equivalent prerequisites (BCV, Racial Cruiser V, Electronics V, etc...) then had an 8x base skill, and 10x subsystem skills that required the base to IV before you could train them? What if the subsystems themselves required different levels of skill to fit? This gives "bittervets" something to train for (shiny) but not super easy for new players. Today, you can fly a pretty fly T3 cruiser in about 3 months from character creation. That's stupid. It should take 6-8 months (a random number) in skills to fly them. A T3 Battlecruiser (my personal wish) should take a year (8-12 months) of focused training to fly, even though you can sit[s]rot[/s] in a Drake in a week.
- Larger ships should be gimped in some way if they hit more than 2 levels below their class. That means Battleships that are designed to hit cruiser hulls should have (gimped) [s]cruiser-equivalent[/s] EHP. That is a gross generalization, I know, but scale that rule up, and that's what's broken on Supers, and would go a long way towards "fixing" them. Yes, logistics change this. So they need tweaking too...
- Mittani is right. CCP is gambling big with our money on DUST and WOD, and spending it on development that is designed for those games. When one (or both) of those is a flop out of the gate, what happens to EVE? Fuck I don't want to play SWG or STO, and I'm not about to try WOW for the first time. The first play in that gamble didn't screw EVE (too much), but Incarna and NEX have brought a drop in about 10k logins nightly in my TZ, (I don't count or play weekends). If they are making it up with monocles, it means I'm destined to stop paying and playing sooner than later because that's where the resources will go (push button get food). A public outcry, or publicity stunt, or whatever, EVE should be getting development for ships in space. Without that it's not a game anymore, and I'm not a beta tester for WOD or DUST, (and I wouldn't pay to be anyway), so why would I continue to pay my sub?
Balancing is a joke. Each ship has a cost, a primary (obvious) role, and a use (except most of the Gallente ships and a lot of Caldari). Many ships have novelty roles and fits. But it's a game more like rock-scissors-paper, not tennis. It's not A<B<C<D>A (well, it is, but that's not balance, that's countering strategy). Ok, the basic idea of balancing (all racial ships can do similar things in their style) is OK, but the math is so screwed up because tweaking a ship for it's primary role doesn't account for the novelty roles, and those will suddenly bite CCP in the ass. It would really take a team of anal-retentive geniuses to properly "balance" ships for even the primary roles, and CCP would be lucky to have 2 of them on staff, and they probably aren't doing FiS updates.
Wasted an hour on this. Why the fuck do i care about this game?
Nigger Jew.
“Isn't it funny how the mood can be ruined so quickly by just one busted condom”
I'd not be suprised to hear that once the supercap nerf is confirmed (like, "officially" confirmed) subs will go up... till they go down again because the nerf will change nothing.
It's generally a bad idea to have too much of a power advantage for veterans. They're already hooked on your game whereas the problem is convincing people just starting out that they can be relevant in something less than 1-2 years of focused training and farming isk. The advantage of being experienced should be some level of power advantage and amazing flexibility. Of course if there is one ship that trumps all others then there's no point in having flexibility either so there's two sides to the problem. Likewise adding new types of play with their associated skills widens the scope of the game, encourages noobs to focus on one while veterans are a bit more capable but in a lot more areas. But that takes even more effort than combat balance.
Of course the first step in the solution is CCP having the resources to do anything Eve-focused. It's not like there's a shortage of solutions, or untapped potential in a game as wide of scope as Eve is.
I guess as an example if Dust had been linked to Eve. In that you can go down to the planet with your pilot, develop combat skills using the Eve mechanics and fight alongside PS3 F2P mercs, it would have added an entirely new arena for gameplay. That would give veterans another facet to develop that doesn't translate to space combat dominance. It would also provide more population for Dust. But CCP is determined that the communities be largely disjoint which I hope will come back to bite them.
This is why, I while ago, I suggested opening the EVE gate... but only able to fit a frigate sized ship through, and once you're through it, you can't come back. On the other side, a new EVE with abundant exploration sites wherein BPCs for completely new ships & modules (and the requisite skillbooks) can be found, some abandoned stations that can be reactivated. Sure you can bring BPCs/BPOs with you, but the new ships would be balanced to be massively superior, so bringing prints for the T2 ships one has already trained will only provide a very temporary crutch. Effectively everything is new, everything is to be trained for, it's an empty cluster. All the balancing lessons that have been learned in New Eden could be applied to the new ship designs. It would effectively be EVE 2.
I'd fit out a Cheetah & go through that gate tonight if I could.
Happily no game developer on earth agrees with you, as every MMO rewards the players who stay long and learn the game with nice things that are both awesome and powerful.
Malcanis' law, etc.
Also, Grath: WoW
See: WoW. Except Blizzard dealt with the jealous bottom 98% by just giving the best stuff to anyone who puts the time in, regardless of skill.
edit: though back in the day a skilled dude in blues could still kill a retard in purps.
clearly the answer is to buff subcaps vs supers, instead of nerf supers.
Every rifter counts friend
This is going to reveal I read the blurb about the eve lore stuff back when I first subbed but pretty much if the eve-gate re-opened to the original universe p. sure the Terran tech by now would shit all over anything from the eve side.
But in this mythical new server, is humanity still kicking about or mysteriously vanished?
Every rifter counts friend
Yeah because wow doesn't reset the balance of new/old players to 0 with the release of each expansion???
Wake up!
In fact thats why I quit WoW (an even worse game than eve). Spent 2 years getting all the leetest shit only to be passed by newbs in green items on patch day as the new drops from trash mobs were on par with the most powerful items from the end game dungeons before the patch....
Yet it is still BY FAR the largest MMO out there so they must be doing something right...
Edit: damn beaten :P
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Mysteriously vanished ofc.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...opularity.html
Other games have to luxury of Instancing, so the 1 Week old lvl 30 puppy in WoW won't be joining a PvP Battleground together with the high end equipped max level player.
Eve on the Other hand doesn't prevent the Titan Pilot from DDing that Rifter. (Or Guardian, or Carrier, or Command Ship)
Thats why its a bigger Problem in Eve then in other Games.
1. Make supers dockable and/or start allowing training a second character on an account. Even if it were half speed, full speed with plex. Something.
The OCD types would start getting all their characters on their accounts trained up. The Dockable super cap part is so that we can actually train for something we'll use on super pilots that doesn't involve industry/research etc. and constitutes blowing something up outside our floating coffins.
2. Increasing training times/multipliers does not make EVE Online harder, it just makes it longer. While I get the point that looking for ways to get vets to log in and come back is the aim, making the game more boring with long "hard to train" skills doesn't appeal to me. In my opinion, T3's were done right in that the insta gratification of the Aura telling me skill complete on sub systems was great.
3. Battleships that hit cruisers are already gimped without support. If you're hitting cruisers that are properly led and fit, you are doing so via a low tanked battleship or you've got rapier (webby) or target painter support.
Try taking 100 maelstroms against a 50 man hac fleet without scorpions and webbing ships that can do it out at range and watch a large bs fleet go boom. Try taking a dread fleet without support against a BS/BC fleet.
BC's against frigs. Goes on and on and on... The only class in the game that doesn't follow this trend is a super capital (titans and carriers).
4. I disagree with Mittens to a point. While yeah, CCP is gambling the alternative is dumber. They continue to code for a game who's base code is over a decade old and needs an entire overhaul. Try to imagine that Windows 7 base code was written on a Windows 2000 base. CCP are not Microsoft, Blizzard/Activision, EA, Sony or any of the other big dudes on the block. People complaining about the way CCP invest their money need to shut the fuck up and realize that while CCP are very much "in the black" with EVE Online, they need to think of their future and expansion. The salary they pay their developers doesn't support completely re-coding EVE's base and investing to expand or they start a new game (or two) is a wise decision from a business perspective and one that if I were in CCP's shoes, I'd take.
Going by the devblogs, CCP have actually put some effort into refactoring EVE's codebase over the last year or so. But it must be a Herculean task.
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