We won EVE, better luck next time MM )))Originally Posted by Seymore Graves
We won EVE, better luck next time MM )))
Dropping several thousand EHP in order to save 5 mill on T2 web/scram instead of meta4.... on a ~120 mill T2 hull
No.
This is just another example of a ship and fleet setup that could be really cool, but because CCP is incompetent at balance, it's terrible and fucks over the players
There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:
Someone forgot to tell MACTEP!
There's no blaming CCP for this one. I could create an 8x deal 250mm Railgun II Apoc and (somehow, I dunno, cocaine?) persuade my alliance to fly it, but the results of that wouldn't be CCP's fault either.This is just another example of a ship and fleet setup that could be really cool, but because CCP is incompetent at balance, it's terrible and fucks over the players
Granted, MM's fitting was terrible, but even if they did properly fit the sacrilege, they'd still be stuck with a subpar AHAC, which is CCPs fault.
There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:
Out of curiosity I have been trying to see if it is possible to design a non-shit fleet Sac
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10389876
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pleasepleaseplease let this come true, i would love to hear the raging of delve residents if this were to come to fruition.
Nah, you'll just have 66 points on the primary, 6 or 7 on the secondary, and 1 or 2 that are actually spread somewhere else. The only good point spread I've ever seen in a fleet fight was when it was DarkSide and they caught maybe 15 dudes out of 40 or so left alive. Dictors are better. But the absolute best way of holding a fleet on-grid is when the opposing FC has an ego and shitty computer; his ego means he doesn't listen to anyone else and the shitty comp translates to him turning effects and brackets off so he has no clue how fast his fleet is dying.
There is never a reason to fit a 800mm plate. You won't make up the difference with additional trimarks (triple trimarks top out at 42% additional armor, iirc) so just use a 1600mm plate. If you need more PG, just slap however many ACRs you need to make it fit.The one i thought about had a web in it, I didn't have a scrambler though. If you dropped from a 1600mm t1 plate to a 800mm t2 plate you would have the pg to go nuts and not have to fit expensive t1 mods. Would lose a bit of ehp which is the only negative. You would feel it more in smaller scale fights.
I am not sure it needs an AB though, given the distance you will be at to have the web/scramb going I am not sure the AB will add a lot. If you ditch the AB and drop from an 1600mm to 800mm t2 you can fit a medium t2 neut and run it with the tp, web and scramb at 70% capacitor (without the mwd running). Would put out about 540ish dps with dps damage drones.
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I wonder why MM have suddenly decided to test their fleet prototypes on sisi...
I guess they've concluded that they need something (read: anything) to proof test their ideas, when nobody in your alliance has common sense.
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Oh and the Sac is great at solo/small gang work (dual rep ftw). Not every ship is destined for, the blob.
It's irritating how simple it would be to make the Sacri good. Change the cap bonus to a +10%/level missile velocity bonus. Reduce shield base hp by 250. Increase armour base hp by 600. Job done.
Amen. I think the dev working on that ship back in 2005 (I think?) was drunk off his ass.
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Oh Father this is a sacrilege, is it possible for them to be that retarded or I'm missing something?
My son, they are that retarded.
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You will all be happy to know that after facing insurmountable opposition in Deklein, PL is going South to kick the handicapped in the head for moral boosting.
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I wonder what they're getting paid to abandon their northern tech moons and goonshoots in order to go structure grind Catch?
That's weird, i thought they ended up blue to MM. HUN is blue to BORG, aren't they?
K/D ratios?
As I was saying, if you bothered to read it, trying to fit everything into one ship so it performs every role is something I don't like which is what these bullshit mouth breathing cookie cutter fleets are all about. The Sac wont have the powergrid to fit a 1600mm plate and utilize all its high slots, especially not with HAMs. It is why they ended up with this retarded abortion of a fit, even with meta 4 items.
Avoiding meta 4 items is not just about the cost, it is availability as well. Finding large quantities of some meta 4 items is not always the easiest thing. If you make fleet doctrines you want the scrubs to be easily able to put multiple ships together.
EHP is a big factor when you are flying against an opposition you can survive a volley. Difference between a 1600mm plate and 800mm plate on the Sac is equivalent to something like 4-5 extra Munnins volleying you. In small gangs it will make a massive difference. If you are facing 30 alpha striking munnins vs 60 shitfit Sacs with 1600mm then avoidance is your only hope because you wont survive the alpha strike even with 1600mm plates.
When we used to duke it out quite regularly with PL in smaller scale fights I found maneuverability was usually a better defense in a smaller ship than giving your ship the turning circle of a small planet. If your ship handles like a bus by default then plates aren't really going to be too significant a penalty. For ships like the Sac, the speed, transversal and ability to warp quickly will play a bigger role in your survivability imo. It is just not going to survive against hard hitting alpha strike setups. It would take less than 20 munnins to one shot that sac setup with the 1600mm plate.
It is the blob mentally to build a ship that sits there and takes it in the face. It wont matter how many plates you pile onto a ship like that, if you are that predictable that you put massive plates on everything then people will just come after you with quicker, nimbler alpha shot fleets.
The meta shit is largely to avoid availability issues and T2 shit is easy and cheap for a space empire to manufacture in great quantities minimizing the economic loss of lost fleets, especially to the plebs.
120m? Who pays 120m for hacs? That is what moongoo is for, not for ebay.All you need is a bit of tech, dysp and prom, the rest is fairly common. If you are in nullsec and you don't provide hacs for your scrubs for 30m or so then you are ripping them off.
If you don't care about cost you should just go straight into T3 setups with faction/complex modules.
No, RAWR's only bff's are brick, and rzr. But yeah let's discuss a Nyx of filthy rich HUN reloaded instead of sacrilege as I see lots of cfc members trying to diminish the awsomeness of that kill by perpetuating Sac fleet talks ITT.That's weird, i thought they ended up blue to MM. HUN is blue to BORG, aren't they?
Fight da power.
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Huge lol at this
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I'm not endorsing that fit or anything, just pointing out that it can be done and is not especially hard. And you have a bizarre fascination with Muninns, considering that BL left Delve weeks ago.
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evoke dines in nol, raiden got batphoned... in a 100 tengu fleet to get their lost stuff from nol station. (0o)
i dont get why anyone would batphone raiden without supers. i guess it was a onetime visit to see NOL fall or something.
mbrickm blued every delve entity they got there hands on and disbanded their fleet when they realized their
blackbirdbackbone is not big enouph.
Borg is picking up -hvc- who recently left merciless.
KKM - Kugutsumen Karma Mafia
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Ah yeah I forgot they're an elite PvP alliance
I'm seeing sell orders for ~500 meta 4 webs and 100 meta 4 scrams, just in Jita right now. Blitz the other trade and mission hubs, you could probably double that (and then make some of your ISK back by reselling the surplus at inflated prices). Just saying.
MM and their merry band are apparently a bunch of fags. We'll have more as the situation develops.
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I am just saying, at times the supply isn't always there. Supply is limited, once demand shoots up the price not only skyrockets but availability can become an issue.
Well that was brilliant. Too bad I have to resort to satire for spiritual sustenance and a continued faith in humanity, it's almost enough to make me lose faith in humanity and break down inside.
Big fight just went down in 1DH. NOL was there for the taking, with unclaimed sov, a BRICK TCU on lining in 7 hours. We heard that RAWR, BRICK and BORG were going to fight against NC. Or something. We formed up a welpfleet to make it a 3 way, because CFC is all about crossing swords and dying in a fire, or have a blast trying.
200+ ships form up, mostly canes, fast tackle, some logis. FC had hoped for two full fleets, but the recent blue balls meant little interest in welp fleet.
We arrive in NOL and nothing. We shoot the TCU and it dies. Then we shoot station. But we have ADHD so we decide to go next door to 1DH and smack in local. Some good Morsus Bomber runs kills a few of us, while we gank stuff that undocks or lands in bubbles. Eventually Morsus gets a good bomb wave off and we lose 30 canes. We all docked up to avoid bombs (or died), so that triggers their main Abaddon / Guardian fleet and they leave their pos.
We get word that they're on a gate a zero, we warp to perch above gate, then dive right in and start calling primaries. Dictors jump through in case they thinking about running. We came to die or get a fight trying. Thankfully, the brawl is on and stuff is dying quickly., Dictors report that BS from NC. are landing on gate on the other side. They jump into the fight and a massive 3 way begins, with bombs blowing drones to bits fairly early on. Primaries are going down, but as we start losing DPS, their logis start tanking our dps. It's a total mess at this point, with nearly everone having suffered some dmg. We're mostly dead when RAWR Carrier(s?) land on field to provide more reps. We primary a Thanny, but we're still being shot to bits, so those who can try to get out. NC. start tackling the caps and killing those instead of us. So orders go out to get in there and KM whore on the caps and anything else. Those in station get ordered to jump in and tyr to kill something or die.... it's a long way home. There were no survivors. Those who are in charge of reimbursement now hate welp fleet
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Since this hasn't been posted yet.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10400293
EDIT: I should really say that since it was a 3 way the report is really messed up, but still.
Looks like NC. was a clear winner of the 3 way.
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NC. came into the fight late, so they took the least deaths. Goons had been itching for a bloody fight for a few days, so I decided to give them one. Everyone in fleet knew it would be bloody before we left, as I had told the whole fleet we would all be coming back via pod express. Was a fun fight though, shame MM would only engage on the gate where guardians could gatehump though as we burned them to deep armor(4/5 jumped out and came back in several times). Hats off to MM though for waiting till we had lost half our fleet though to bring in the 2 triage carriers, they are what pushed us the rest of the way down the hill and cost us another 20 abaddon kills before we all died horribly. I hadn't thought about them doing that so wasn't prepared to deal with late arrival of triage level logistics.
I thought MM held the field.
dont let a good chance to leave out important info get you down bro
ncdot perspective: we were told not to shoot clusterfuck until they killed our guardians
~ehonored~
CFC perspective: We were told to shoot anything and everything while there were still hurricanes.
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BURN EVRYFINK! DIS SYSTEM IS BELONGINK TO US!
Given how much effort is required to keep us from shooting blues on any given opportunity, theres no way in hell its worth the effort to try to keep us from shooting a red (although, in retrospect, its probably easier than stopping us shoot a blue).
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Looks like Armywolf has joined TOUNSI's corp in Brick. My condolences to Brick Squad.
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