[NC] you've been busy sniffing up the asshole of TEST ;) - May, 2011

[Viper ShizzIe]

bffs, right?

(9:32:13 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: yo

(9:32:34 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: The reason why you haven't been invited to any of the leadership channels is because you've been busy sniffing up the asshole of TEST

(9:33:51 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: give me a moment. Any chance you can take a few and come chat with me. We've never had a chance to properly meet.

(9:35:17 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I can chat on here, not on TS at the moment though

(9:35:35 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I hate text. I was going to invite you to my voice comms.

(9:36:11 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: sorry, I just kinda woke up so still getting my bearings

(9:56:36 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: Well, I have to say your words frustrate the hell out of me. I've been breaking this alliance's back to come up and support the north and quite frankly cannot afford to continue at the pace we're going. We've deployed multiple times to back an effort, where we've always been loyal and been a great soldering force. We worked hard when the rest of the NC was up in DRF lands to create a more sustainable buffer to the west by being integral participants in the taking of cloud ring and fountain.

Anyone who participated in these campaigns will attest to our loyalty and dedication to allies. We've never asked for anything and worked hard to achieve what we have earned. Our allegiances to who we are faithful to have always been transparent. We've been asked to do little, however, of the "Guests" of the north, we've done our best to fly under the radar while remaining valued assets. Now, when we get a response like this, it not only kills all the effort we've done to support the north, it also doesn't do anything to support your current situation of poor morale.

We have never been an alliance who kisses anyone's ass to get where we need to go. We do our best to be good friends hard workers. Anyone who has taken even a moment of their time to address who we are as an alliance will do nothing but speak highly of us.

Now, I'm off for a bit. This was the first conversation I've ever had with you and I have to say... we need to do a reintroduction.

(10:05:09 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I don't really care about the western buffer. Cloud Ring and Fountain were never under the NC's sphere of influence. Cloud Ring kinda has by default now with WI taking up space there, but the rest can burn as far as I am concerned.

(10:10:14 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: But the simple fact is, until a couple of days ago, you have made no attempt to get involved in NC affairs. I have not seen you attend 1 single NC leadership meeting, instead you were too busy chilling with TEST and you've made it very clear that your intentions are to be accepted into the Deklein Coalition

(10:11:58 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: wow. sorry we didn't kiss the NC's ass hard enough man.

(10:12:24 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: this isn't about kissing anyone's ass

(10:12:42 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: this is about showing you actually give a fuck what happens to the NC, and I've only started seeing this in the last 24-48 hours.

(10:12:50 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killb...d&kll_id=21338

(10:13:09 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killb...d&kll_id=20689

(10:13:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killb...d&kll_id=20938

(10:13:39 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killb...d&kll_id=20909

(10:13:47 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I'll just keep going

(10:14:04 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killb...d&kll_id=19212

(10:17:27 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This isn't about FA's involvement, this is about your personal involvement.

(10:17:45 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Go back and read exactly what I've said

(10:18:28 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I have been waiting for you and I to have this chat, because I have to admit I have not been impressed by you.

(10:18:32 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: You're aware that I just recently assumed CEO of the alliance right?

(10:18:56 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I'm happy to get everything on the table and clear the air though

(10:18:59 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul@jabber.razor-eve.org: This isn't news to you is it?

(10:20:30 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Not just recently, at least a couple of months now

(10:21:01 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: and these past months have we not been being shot by dudes you tried to invade or defend pure blind?

(10:22:23 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I mean dude, you seem really informed on our participation and performance... so please, enlighten me on how exactly you think we should have either sucked up more or what the fuck ever. I mean... seriouly, sorry we don't have a lucian to hang on the nuts in our alliance but I'm quite sorry. Fatal Ascension just doesn't operate that way.

(10:24:23 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is not about performance, I want that to be clear.

(10:24:36 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: But up until now, you and I have never had a chat

(10:24:51 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: And this is how you start one?

(10:24:59 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: You wanted to know why you hadn't been invited into the leadership jabber channel

(10:25:20 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I am telling you why

(10:25:48 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Perhaps I could have chosen my approach a little better

(10:26:27 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I am still jet lagged from flying across the other side of the world a couple of days ago

(10:26:59 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: why don't you sleep it off man.

(10:27:23 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: but regardless of how I approached it, my point still remains. I have not seen you around

(10:27:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I'll go watch a movie, then maybe you can go back to the few paragraphs I read above... ask around about FA's involvement then we can start over?

(10:27:43 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is not about FA's involvement, I don't know how else to get that message across

(10:27:53 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is about your involvement

(10:28:06 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: go get informed by the people in pure blind, such as FCON where we'd always help them with thier shit when it was always reinforced.

(10:28:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: or MH where we'd constantly help them with their reinforced moons

(10:28:50 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: ask around, we'll chat later... tomorrow... w/e. but yeah... I'm gonna go watch a movie, hit the sack and sleep on this.

(10:29:16 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: Just ask imperian

(11:03:19 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: As I said earlier, this is not about FA's overall participation or performance. This is more about FA's leadership participation when it comes to communicating with the NC. I don't know how often you speak to Vuk, but you and I have never had a chat. Which is unusual because normally I talk to everyone in the NC. But I have always considered you guys more aligned to Deklein Coalition/TEST than the NC, and that's because I saw an announcement you made to your membership stating exactly that is your intentions.

(11:04:18 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: hey man. Just don't sweat it. go about w/e it is you do in RAWR to lead it and we'll come continue to help.

(11:22:00 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: well perhaps we got off to the wrong start, people tell me you are a decent enough guy

(11:23:37 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I wish I could say the same for you dude.

(11:24:58 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: depends who you talk to I guess

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From the foreplay thread:

And this is why the NC is dead. FA has pretty much been as Zagdul described over the past 4-5 months I've known them well. They just get shit done with no fuss, and then some of the MM leadership shits on them when they ask for a few billion to cover ship reimbursement. They were/are literally out of funds to reimburse ships.

Same thing - he could take a leaf out of the R.A.G.E. diplomacy book.

Its always about "You're shit, because you haven't sucked my dick enough", all the while making no attempt to get to know anyone. One would think that if they are taking care of business (NC) they'd make it their business to get to know their allies - introduce themselves to new CEOs and so on.

But not Killer2, its "come and prostrate yourself before us, that we may judge thee worthy of the tiny scraps we might throw your way, or not... depends how we feel about loggin in at the time."

Killer2 where is your Australian egalitarian ethos? Communication works both ways mate - and your arrogant attitude sucks dogs balls. Just saying.

Why are you still taking shit from these people, Zagdul? You're better than this, your alliance is better than this. Tonight's turning point in the northern campaign has proven that these rat bastards could never live up to their reputation. I know your people can.

You mind if I release this shit?

Hell Zag, I'm one of the dude's you'd end up reseting and I wouldn't blame you one bit. Killer2 is a fucking moron and you guys have been invaluable in the defense of well....everything.

I'm not a fan of "burning" the north dude. Those dudes have done quite a bit in the past to help us so releasing this would only serve to hurt the morale of the people who are trying.

Shit, I'm trying now to band together all the little dudes and turn them into fighters as FA has matured. I don't think this would help that goal.

oh... the Ginger Coalition of the red headed step children from the NC.

Fan of burning the north or not, you should have told that fucking cum stain to go fuck himself and watched his shit burn, over entitled cocksucker that he is.

No one, who is in command of an alliance with participation numbers, should have to put up with that. If I was in charge of a coalition of alliances, I would make it a point to meet CEOs of alliances who brought firepower. Not sit on a throne and wait for a courier to come and kiss my sceptre before I acknowledge their presence.

I would, however, own a sceptre.

Killer2 does nothing in the NC except pretend to be important in front of other alliances.

In two years of upper leadership, I never saw him do a single useful thing for the coalition.

[true]

More and more pilots buying Mittani's shit. I'm even considering doing it myself.

[Venetian Tar]

Holy Jesus that dude sounds like an asshole.

[Berious]

That's BoD tier arrogance.

[J'envie Smack]

I have to say, if that was the sort of response one got from the NC after putting up numbers and merely not having "leadership participation" (all the while not being allowed in leadership channels), I too would be "sniffing up the asshole of Test." Wtf does that even mean, "leadership participation"? I feel like if your dudes are bringing it, time after time, then obviously the leadership must be participating, even if they aren't showing up in the collective NC Leadership Circlejerk.

[Teth]

I wonder how it happens that you miss leadership meetings that you probably weren't even informed were happening.

I wonder.

[Phreeze]

Why would you attend a leadership meeting in which RAWR is pretending at being leaders?

[J'envie Smack]

Why would you attend a leadership meeting in which RAWR is pretending at being leaders?

Because you're a toady with low self-worth. Or a member of the NC Leadership. But I repeat myself.

[John Caffeine]

So TEST and parts of the DC have reset the NC, and the alliances living in Fountain have little reason or requirement to defend the North. Bacily, if there's ever been a time for MM to be nice and polite to the friends willing to defend their space; this would be it. Yet when FA goes to Tribute to help the NC out of loyalty to old friends you get shit thrown in your face for not sucking MM's cock hard enough?

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

[Zagdul]

So TEST and parts of the DC have reset the NC, and the alliances living in Fountain have little reason or requirement to defend the North. Bacily, if there's ever been a time for MM to be nice and polite to the friends willing to defend their space; this would be it. Yet when FA goes to Tribute to help the NC out of loyalty to old friends you get shit thrown in your face for not sucking MM's cock hard enough?

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Not quite sure, but as I said in Foreplay, it's one dude. Not all of MM shares killer2's mentality.

[Vonqueesha Shenaynay]

heh

This is great stuff. Has there always been this much infighting and it's only now coming to light?

[Zagdul]

heh

This is great stuff. Has there always been this much infighting and it's only now coming to light?

Now you understand why we've aligned ourselves with DC. There's a lot less fighting, great organization and heaps learned. We're reminded that it's a video game on a daily basis and x up for fun, not for bullshit.

[Seymore Graves]

I agree with killer2 tbh. Most here don't because they are either fighting MM and or they want to be part of the goon fanclub. I actually respect MM and will not adhere to part of the goon fanclub.

Its simple Zagdul, you moron. In politics, you are "with us or you are against us". Its a simple rule, pick your side. Your a terrible leader, you remind of Romes XIIiiC ceasar.

I understand you are mostly likely trolling here, but I feel obligated to state that you sir are an idiot.

[Xorn]

I agree with killer2 tbh. Most here don't because they are either fighting MM and or they want to be part of the goon fanclub. I actually respect MM and will not adhere to part of the goon fanclub.

Its simple Zagdul, you moron. In politics, you are "with us or you are against us". Its a simple rule, pick your side. Your a terrible leader, you remind of Romes XIIiiC ceasar.

Oh so strong fleet participation was just a trick and actually they are against MM because a ceo didn't give a douche some lip time in a channel. Ok

[Zagdul]

I agree with killer2 tbh. Most here don't because they are either fighting MM and or they want to be part of the goon fanclub. I actually respect MM and will not adhere to part of the goon fanclub.

Its simple Zagdul, you moron. In politics, you are "with us or you are against us". Its a simple rule, pick your side. Your a terrible leader, you remind of Romes XIIiiC ceasar.

I agree, I am a terrible leader. If only our former leader would come back and pick us up from this slump in participation and morale.

[Phey Onat]

No, ehonor ~words~ pales in comparison to actual ~effort~.

There is also nothing in the convo that shows Zag being low on the integrity side either.

[HandofSatan [banned]]

Nothing in that conversation makes Zagdul look bad. In fact, that conversation is one of the few I've read of an alliance leader in the game where the leader doesn't come off balls-out crazy.

[poaw]

Those posts would be way funnier if it wasn't always BDCIpandemiclegion with a new throwaway account.

[Jed]

I agree with killer2 tbh. Most here don't because they are either fighting MM and or they want to be part of the goon fanclub. I actually respect MM and will not adhere to part of the goon fanclub.

Its simple Zagdul, you moron. In politics, you are "with us or you are against us". Its a simple rule, pick your side. Your a terrible leader, you remind of Romes XIIiiC ceasar.

Man we really need IP hashes.

[Zagdul]

Participation matters in pale comparison to honor and intergrity. It is what Killer2 was trying to tell you.

Hey space friend.

You should go back and actually read the conversation. You seem to be having another one about a completely different subject. Furthermore, FA haven't reset anyone but Own Alliance. We also continue to show up to NC defense, even after this conversation. Matter of fact, I had a meeting with two NC leaders yesterday to discuss their plans and where FA can help.

You seem to be confused... I'll help:

He was saying I didn't participate in NC leadership meetings. He mentioned it a few times. He's right, I don't give a fuck about NC politics. My alliance just shows up and fights.

[Phey Onat]

I would disagree. Then again you are from BDEAL, a DC member. Your supporting of him only approves my aclimations.

I would disagree but then you are throwing out ad homs so I will unironiclly ignore your future postings on the matter.

[ThemePending]

http://www.fatal-ascension.com/uploa...rror/index.htm


zag was nice enough to post more context for this on the FA forums, and another convo

This is another director in Killer2's corp who got involved.

(10:31:06 PM) Zeturi: 1 sec
(10:31:10 PM) Zeturi: if you have a min before you go to sleep
(10:31:19 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: hey man
(10:31:21 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: sup?
(10:31:28 PM) Zeturi: Seriously, i dont know what to say about him
(10:31:32 PM) Zeturi: but killer2 is a fucking retard
(10:31:35 PM) Zeturi: like serious fucking moron
(10:31:53 PM) Zeturi: he has zero power in MM and is only at the point where he is ~second in command~ because vuk knew he wouldnt argue with any decisions he made
(10:32:17 PM) Zeturi: I dont know what the fuck he thinks
(10:32:29 PM) Zeturi: but until they admit that the core of the issue is with themselves and RAWRs leadership...
(10:32:33 PM) Zeturi: then well its a lost cause.
(10:34:02 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: dude... I know where you're trying to come from. But fuck me... anyone who has taken more than 2 seconds asking or researching our involvement on what we've done for or with the north speaks very highly of us. I'm now put in a very, very difficult position. I hope you understand it, but I'm afraid that we may not be able to continue in the north. We're at a point where we just can't afford it anymore and I've been working my fucking ass off to get FA involved. We're there, we're trying... and for fucks sake, it says a LOT more than the current "Full Members" of the NC.
(10:34:30 PM) Zeturi: I completely understand.
(10:34:32 PM) Zeturi: thats the thing
(10:34:35 PM) Zeturi: I dont get it eithier man
(10:34:44 PM) Zeturi: hes just so fucking oblivious
(10:36:05 PM) Zeturi: I dont understand how he can even try to blame anyone else
(10:36:13 PM) Zeturi: when MM is so terrible that its not even funny
(10:36:13 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: I'm going to sit on this for a night dude. I need some sleep.
(10:36:44 PM) Zeturi: yeah. have a good one. Just wanted to say that I completely understand where you're coming from
(10:36:52 PM) Zeturi: im kinda surprised that alot of people are sitll even helping us.
(10:37:06 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: if me or my alliance are anything
(10:37:10 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: it's loyal
(10:37:32 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: when you get a moment, thank imperian for all his help in CR/Fountain... he's right now the reason I'm considering hanging on to standings.
(10:37:50 PM) Zeturi: see man. its kinda like mittens said
(10:37:59 PM) Zeturi: theres like 7-8 people from back in the day still in rawr/rzr
(10:38:08 PM) Zeturi: killer2 isnt even one of those people.
(10:38:23 PM) Zeturi: when people think of why they're helping rawr i really doubt killer2 comes to mind
(10:38:47 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: I don't think he gets that alliances like mine... have 2 techs. Sorry for your 40 bro.
(10:38:56 PM) Zeturi: 40?
(10:39:03 PM) Zeturi: rawr has ~120 techs total
(10:39:08 PM) Zeturi: and thats exactly the point
(10:39:12 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: yeah... the 40 lost
(10:39:25 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: I asked for soem help from vuk the other day
(10:39:25 PM) Zeturi: rawr and the nc are notorious for treating smaller alliances like shit
(10:39:39 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: "you do know we've lost 40 techs"
(10:39:44 PM) Zeturi: lol.
(10:39:57 PM) Zeturi: did you respond with "you know my entire alliance has 2?"
(10:40:03 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: pretty much
(10:40:38 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: what they miss is that alliances like mine are what keep you all fighting... the little dudes are fucking awesome for morale.
(10:40:48 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: This is why GSF loves us
(10:40:52 PM) Zeturi: the smaller alliances + goons obviously are completely carrying us
(10:41:05 PM) Zeturi: you guys probably have more members in fleets then rawr does atm
(10:41:23 PM) Zeturi: he seems to ignore the fact that most leadership is involved in their alliances.
(10:42:40 PM) Zeturi: ironicly
(10:42:57 PM) Zeturi: killer2 is the reason ive refused up to this point to really help try to turn this around
(10:43:26 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: hey bro, FA is recruiting
(10:43:37 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: we've got active and positive leadership
(10:43:39 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: no tech though
(10:43:47 PM) Zeturi: I'm not one to jump ship even when everything looks bleak
(10:43:54 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: me either
(10:44:03 PM) Zeturi: i'll stay till the end of this in rawr one way or the other
(10:44:03 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: and is the ONLY reason I'm not resetting the world.
(10:44:24 PM) Zeturi: but I will be very surprised if we manage to defend anything with current leadership
(10:44:27 PM) Zeturi: its fucking bad man.
(10:44:31 PM) Zeturi: its dragging morale down more and more
(10:44:35 PM) Zeturi: and trying to place the blame on others
(10:44:36 PM) Zeturi:
(10:45:15 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: it's MM's fault for not being in fleets... nobody else's
(10:45:29 PM) Zeturi: RAWR has ~40 titans ~120 ms
(10:45:36 PM) Zeturi: in the alliance
(10:45:39 PM) Zeturi: where the fuck are they?
(10:45:49 PM) Zeturi: rawr has 300 people in alliance chat in us tz, where the fuck are they?
(10:45:58 PM) Zeturi: theres 35 people in ~high command~ again?
(10:46:01 PM) Zeturi: where the fuck are they
(10:46:24 PM) Zeturi: that is why we can not have nice things
(10:46:41 PM) Zeturi: but yeah go to sleep ill bother you another time
(10:48:36 PM) zagdul@goonfleet.com/d1e30a40: later dude.
(10:48:40 PM) Zeturi: night

Edit: lets add their latest QnA session's recording (I havent bothered to listen to it, but quantity over quality in this post) http://soundcloud.com/danielgread/ts...0-1-34/s-uxak3

[Vinata]

I agree, I am a terrible leader. If only our former leader would come back and pick us up from this slump in participation and morale.

I'm horrible with this bar graph lines bullshit, could you explain it?

[Zagdul]

I'm horrible with this bar graph lines bullshit, could you explain it?

The first one = our fat trimming.

The second = our pvp losses/kills over the past 80 days.

red line represents losses
green represents kills
yellow represents a median

In other words, we're shedding fat and not recruiting while participation has gone up.

[poaw]

I see.

[Mfume]

Yo wtf, so he's mad you didn't attend leadership meetings when you weren't the alliance executor? Shouldn't he be happy that random scrubs weren't showing up and shitting up the chat?

[Wusti]

zeturi seems chill - does he actually have any power inside MM? guys like him should probably be runnign the joint...

[Zagdul]

zeturi seems chill - does he actually have any power inside MM? guys like him should probably be runnign the joint...

He is, I'm super disappointed his log got out as I hate it when cool dudes get burned

[HeliconOne]

Hi Killer2! I see you're reading this thread, care to comment?

[Killer2]

I've made some comments on the foreplay thread, you can subscribe to there and read them if you like.

Either that or talk to Viper and ask him to copy/paste them here.

[Team Dresch]

Pretty good porn.

It highlights what the dudes in charge value - :words: not pvp.
Should end well.

[BrutorWarrior]

Confirming that Zagdul and FA are awesome and valuable allies. Anybody trying to run them off is a complete idiot and deserves to be purged.

[Venetian Tar]

FA have been strong allies to WI for a while now. Hopefully this NC thing means we can still be spacefriends?

[Atticus]

I'll take a third party stab at this with zero vested interest.

Maybe its just me, but I think there was just miscommunication in the convos. Killer2 never questioned FA's commitment. He was simply wanted more input from Zagdul at HC meetings. He very poorly tried to explain this and came across as condescending. Zagdul took it as a criticism of participation.

I guess I've just seen a lot worse/more hilarious examples of ceos/directors/alliance leaders shitting on each other.

[Team Dresch]

Maybe its just me, but I think there was just miscommunication in the convos. Killer2 never questioned FA's commitment. He was simply wanted more input from Zagdul at HC meetings. He very poorly tried to explain this and came across as condescending. Zagdul took it as a criticism of participation.

No, what he said was "You can't join our leadership channel because you've only attended one meeting, I don't care how much PVP your alliance has done".

[Malcanis]

Killer2 never questioned FA's commitment.

(10:12:42 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: this is about showing you actually give a fuck what happens to the NC, and I've only started seeing this in the last 24-48 hours.

I suppose you are correct insofar as there seemed to be no question in his mind whatsoever about Zag's commitment.

[Zagdul]

I'll take a third party stab at this with zero vested interest.

Maybe its just me, but I think there was just miscommunication in the convos. Killer2 never questioned FA's commitment. He was simply wanted more input from Zagdul at HC meetings. He very poorly tried to explain this and came across as condescending. Zagdul took it as a criticism of participation.

I guess I've just seen a lot worse/more hilarious examples of ceos/directors/alliance leaders shitting on each other.

Regardless of his intentions. His approach sucked.

We're fighters, fuck the politics. We show up and fight. That is all. Sorry we didn't get involved in the political meat grinder.

[Vonqueesha Shenaynay]

I've made some comments on the foreplay thread, you can subscribe to there and read them if you like.

Either that or talk to Viper and ask him to copy/paste them here.

Our stop being a pussy faggot and post here.

[Viper ShizzIe]

Either that or talk to Viper and ask him to copy/paste them here.

Sup guys?

Morsus Mihi will be resetting FA at downtime tomorrow.

[snsmasta]

So basically FA is brining more people in their fleets than MM and MM want's to reset them? Cool.

[Atticus]

Regardless of his intentions. His approach sucked.

I meant to say this but used too many words.

[Habitual Line Stepper]

lol wtf is wrong with these people?

[Aralyn]

Every day we seem to be sliding further into the bizarre. Im wondering whether MM are seeing what the rest of us are, or just acid-tripping off into their own fantasy land. Anyhoo, love our -FA- bros, we are all starting to see who our friends really are these days, and -FA- definitly are to WIdot (even if I still can't figure out how to get on their damn comms )

[ThemePending]

(5:29:35 AM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau@jabber.razor-eve.org/Home: we will reset you in 24 hours
(5:29:42 AM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau@jabber.razor-eve.org/Home: tomorrow after DT
(5:30:08 AM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau@jabber.razor-eve.org/Home: if you have more assets in our station and need more time tell me and we will either give you 24 more hours
(5:30:15 AM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau@jabber.razor-eve.org/Home: or help you wiht moving those
(1:16:32 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul@jabber.razor-eve.org/37595818001306955008193303: I think it's a shame you guys never even tried to open a line of communication with me. I have been loyal all the way through.


fuck em.

And a random hurfblurf post for good measure (from the other thread)

Personally I don't feel we owe anything to the NC, sure as hell no MM. It was MH that helped us in the beginning and I believe FA has repaid them. I still believe they have the up most respect for us as well. As far as helping the NC, I don't mind, but I also don't see this turning around under the current leadership of NC. Those posts outline the very issues that plague MH. 120 tech moons, 40 Titans, 120 SCs.... What we have here is a leadership that lost touch with their allies and friends, they built and empire to shield them and they grew. As they've aged they haven't kept things active and energetic. They've become bit old vets, all of them from the super cap pilots and FC's all the way up to Vuk himself. If a team is going to survive it needs leaders that are energetic as the newest member in your corp. MH is a shell of what it was, it's basically dead on the inside. I don't think we can save the NC, I honestly don't. To be honest even if it was possible I don't think the current leaders of the NC would truly appreciate it and repay us for what we did, they would simple want to put everything back the way it was with no regard for the little alliance that truly make up the back bone of the northern fighting forces.


Also I want to add, I can speak for some of my members... they are getting tired of sitting there waiting for something and being told to stand down. Things don't happen after we stand down, roams don't start up, we don't have fun, everyone loafs back to their corp channels and complains. Motivation and I'm going to assume support for these ops is quickly dwindling.

[MopozY The Puppetmaster [banned]]

Oh I thought this thread got deleted. Zagdul your diplomatic convoy Kesper North got shot down by Vuk Lau. And also ... look at here, oh they are moving to fountain with DC -- who found that suprising? It is easy to read a 2 face person working in their own self interest. no honor.

[Zagdul]

Oh I thought this thread got deleted. Zagdul your diplomatic convoy Kesper North got shot down by Vuk Lau. And also ... look at here, oh they are moving to fountain with DC -- who found that suprising? It is easy to read a 2 face person working in their own self interest. no honor.

Me wanting my alliance to grow and expand it's space horizons, all the while continuing to defend the north and supporting allies with 500 mil in our ship replacement wallet and having 2 tech mons means I have no honor?

I'm stupid to politics, however you seem to be up to speed on all this. Serious question, mind explaining to me how I or my alliance have no honor in any of this? Really, I'm curious.

[HeliconOne]

Oh no MM with their 7 active members are restting FA.

Maybe they will camp them into their stations with haulers and jump freighters since that's all they're flying now

[monkeytek]

Still not getting how Zagdul and his Alliance are the bad guys in this. Is there some super secret info no one has released that we don't know about? I mean, if Zagdul is actually mouth raping everyone's grandma then ya totally agree. However, all I've seen is a small alliance that seems to be fighting above their weight class for the NC while most of the NC A team can't even be bothered to log in and defend NC core? So unless someone can provide this super secret info I gotta go with Zagdul as the princess of this ball!

[hlakke]

This all looks familuar.. This is the near end step of a complete failcascade... When the morale is broken, finger pointing and diplomacy go out the window.

cooler heads would reach out to allies or potential allies as friends. Consolidate and reformulate a defense plan. Starting with serious revamp of fleet doctrine, change of FC's and look for better tactics.

Then again this is a game so instead.... "It's all your fault"

[somedude76]

It's funny Killer2 wouldn't get on voice coms to talk it out man to man. This could mean one or a few things. Maybe he, personally, doesn't like the message he is delivering actually having to enunciate this crap would leave a shitty taste in his mouth. Maybe he is chicken shit and doesn't want to have to explain it man to man. If that is the case he shouldn't be in leadership or a diplomat. Avoiding coms and a man to man conversation mean there is nothing to work out, minds are made up, nothing to talk about.

Gutless any way you look at it. MM, still petty and pathetic at the top.