WTB Tengu Counter

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-07-10

Russians keep dropping Tengus on our Muninns and we can't kill anything.

People are too poor for Abadongs, so Slowcats are out of the question.

Shoot.

**Richter Belmont** · 2012-07-10

100mn tengus? Huginns, Rokhs and Drop boosters.

10mn tengus? Huginns and Welpcanes.

**Grim** · 2012-07-10

Huginns.

And 1000 Drakes.

**n0th** · 2012-07-10

Which russians? Cause i'm p sure Gypsy are busy in Geminate.
Also what numbers are we talking here?

**Don Peyote** · 2012-07-10

Originally Posted by n0th

Which russians? Cause i'm p sure Gypsy are busy in Geminate.
Also what numbers are we talking here?

SOLAR/Gypsy/UNTHINKABLES - 401k are in Great Wildlands/Kalevala iirc

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-07-10

It's Unthinkables who drop on us. They usually bring 30-50 iirc. We haven't killed one, so not sure if 100MN or 10MN. lawl

**Securitas** · 2012-07-10

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

It's Unthinkables who drop on us. They usually bring 30-50 iirc. We haven't killed one, so not sure if 100MN or 10MN. lawl

IIRC Unthinkables aren't actually russian.

**Jean Leaner** · 2012-07-10

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

It's Unthinkables who drop on us. They usually bring 30-50 iirc. We haven't killed one, so not sure if 100MN or 10MN. lawl

Well when they are dropping, are they moving at coward speeds(>2k m/s), or at normal speeds(700-1k m/s)

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-07-10

Our top agents report 10MN.

**Dengen Krastinov** · 2012-07-10

Apocs? 60+km pulse range I think (don't have eft infront of me). As long as BS and above are out of the question I don't think you'll find your counter.

**Spider Mike** · 2012-07-11

I think your Muninns should hit them very well if you slow them down with a couple of Huggins, some target paints will also help.

You could also ask some Black Legion guys how they do it. In this video they are killing Lokis with their Munins:

Just like Tengus, the Lokis tank with their small sig. and high resistens. So i gues however they are killing them, should also work against 10mn Tengus.

**Le'Blob** · 2012-07-11

Countering the tengus themselves: Bringing 3-4 bonused target painters and 3-4 bonused webs is the easiest solution. Additionally, if you can somehow theorycraft a way to nuke their cap so that they cannot re-activate their hardeners (void bombs are very scary for this, along with 2+ heavy neut curses)

Countering their gang: Jamming out all/most of their scimis. Scorps or rooks should be able to keep a sizable portion of them jammed out. For a more creative approach, damping out their scimis if they do not anchor with their tengus will also work.

**Tsubutai** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

It's Unthinkables who drop on us. They usually bring 30-50 iirc. We haven't killed one, so not sure if 100MN or 10MN. lawl

In situations like this, look them up on eve-kill. Chances are that even if you've not been able to kill them, someone else has:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13917552
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13870463
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13916968

**poaw** · 2012-07-11

BL also had the benefit of being able to smartbomb off about 65-85% of the incoming DPS from Tengu fleets. Now that you can no longer kill missiles in flight Tengus went from waaay behind in DPS to Muninns to comfortably ahead.

**n0th** · 2012-07-11

You're dropping SBUs in KZFV to get fights out of IMP-L and thats when you get dropped right?
First off: just accept that you cant dunk on 50 Tengus w/ like 35 duders in fleet.
Also i really doubt INK will drop on something where they're not 100% sure to win, so bridging up there with, say, 50 hellcat abaddons+ support wont actually help you get a GF.
I'd just up the Muninn numbers and do synchronised F1ing so you 2-volley or even alpha Tengus.

Rooks are useless, they take away from your Muninn numbers and will just get alphaed.
Heavy neut curses need support, piloting skill above the usual "orbit anchor, pres butan" and will probably still get primaried and 0wned.
IMHO with the eHP of the Muninn you might as well do regular Curses and max-tank them for 108k eHP after siege bonuses.

**Matos** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by poaw

BL also had the benefit of being able to smartbomb off about 65-85% of the incoming DPS from Tengu fleets. Now that you can no longer kill missiles in flight Tengus went from waaay behind in DPS to Muninns to comfortably ahead.

Since when is that the case?

I couldn't be bothered to keep up with patchnotes lately