Goonswarm Federation: The Vodka Interdiction
It will spell the end of the DRF as we know it by killing most of the pilots from, or while they are experiencing, withdrawal symptoms.
Goonswarm Federation: The Vodka Interdiction
It will spell the end of the DRF as we know it by killing most of the pilots from, or while they are experiencing, withdrawal symptoms.
Side effects may include incapacitating most of Eve's competent FCs including our own
Originally Posted by Kevin
The change was a shortsighted change by CCP imo. Logoff timer should be based on mass. I do agree with logoff timers need changed this proposed change however is not smart.
If you have a titan out with zero support and a hic/dic snags you and you can't find one person or alt to shoot him, you deserve to die. Seriously. In that retarded hypothetical you will have plenty of time to arrange rescue, and if you can't manage it then idgaf what happens to you. It's not a solo ship, htfu.
No, i think that's a good thing, you overly aggressive tosser, i just wanted to clarify the mechanics for the first time our bubble / rape cage catches a lone super.
e: At Some Market Dude, this post.
You're only saying that now because I came at you
bro
Wow guys, I don't even fly supers and support a goddamn nerf, aim better.
Write better.
When in doubt, shoot blues.
Yeah, they actually listened to the people that play their fucking game for once.
However, I don't see the need to reduce supercarrier drone bays, since fighters and fighterbombers are now useless against subcaps anyway
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Goons and RA pets...
“Isn't it funny how the mood can be ruined so quickly by just one busted condom”
I love all this rage over fighters being nerfed.
Last few months = OMG nerf supers nerf caps they are overpowered
Post Devblog = Waaaaah we can't carebear now.
PVP'rs :hugesmug:
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of [players] suddenly [altered their skill queues to train Moros]. I fear something terrible has happened.
It was actually always the plan to train moros once i was done with all 5'ing my carrier-related skills. This just makes that even more of a good idea.
moros, droppin' it like it's hawt
I for one don't give a shit about PVEers. It will be a shame not being able to gank supers in Sanctums anymore though.
I actually didn't put 2 and 2 together about the super nerf and ratting. Then again, there are much better and cheaper ways of ratting, never mind making money in general, so I still have hope for spacetards using their spacedongs in sanctums.
(Talking about supercarriers here, I have no clue how effective titans are for ratting)
Hopefully this dread buff/super nerf will halp you guys to finally grow balls and bring out the big toys.
I can't decide if I want to buy another Avatar or 90 Moroses.
The Avatar would probably last longer.
90 Moroses
I can understand some of the super carrier nerf, the log off mechanic fix, the dread buff, and some of the titan nerfs. But nerfing the titan doomsday seems a little comical. Here you have the "ultimate weapon" in eve online. A tool that took that pilot's character years to train for, billion's in isk for the ship to be able to use it on and "Oh btw you can't use it on this, this, this or this." So much for "ultimate weapon".
@ John Caffeine: Not if you get tackled by a lone hic and proceed to get into a coma or absentmindedly forget about it and go have a pizza, a hot bath and a nice sleep.
According to our scenario above, you will be aggro-ducked to death and beyond (DT)
edit: I meant aggro-fucked but autocorrect liked "ducked" more for some reason. Leaving it there because I am happy with that.
That situation can't happen. A lone Sabre can only carry 914 minutes worth of ammo (that's without carry any probes), can only actually tackle it's target for 160 minutes (without carrying ammo), and even an Erebus passively tanks about 1/3 of it's DPS. Supposing he either staged extra supplies or can send out an indy with reloads, it'll take him over an hour for him to get it out of shields. The same shields that represent about 1/20th of his total EHP. It would take 21 hours for him to kill the Titan (after typing in IDKFA), I am more than comfortable with this scenario. A completely unsupported Titan dying to single Dictor pilot who obviously put in a LOT of time and effort to setup and execute a solo titan kill.
HIC bubble doesn't aggress you unless you attempt to warp, however when you log off outside of a POS, your ship will attempt to warp off. So once you've logged he'd have to switch to the focus script to keep you aggressed.
It can still one-shots capitals. I can't think of any other weapon in the game that does that.
I understand that, I guess for me it's kinda the principal of the matter.
Heavy-handed nerf to supercarriers encourages people to move into titans, as titans are still (so far) very effective.
More people in titans means a bigger obstacle for those unwilling to field more than battleships.
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Plausible. But if titans are limp dick vs subcaps, I don't see how that matters much if the tracking change goes through as currently envisioned. It'd only counter dread/carrier oh.
Yeah I guess I see how that could be problematic. Side with titan dominance can field carriers/dreads as support and own battleships with buffed dread dps, side without has to stick to subcaps or watch their capfleet melt to guns/dd when titans are dropped. It's not so much that the patch doesn't nerf titans, it's that it doesn't nerf them enough to keep them from being the trump card and doesn't do anything about eliminating the conditions conducive to employing them en masse. And it doesn't matter that they can't escape if they're only dropped when it's clear they have targets to wipe.
Ok. So if I'm wrong about what I'm thinking, please feel free to correct because as I've said again and again I'm halfway retarded.
The dictor gets aggression not the person trying to warp. So if you don't shoot the super with guns, it will disappear after 15 minutes even if it is inside your bubble.
So basically you'd only field super-capitals if you were pretty much certain you had a clear sub-cap and super-cap superiority? Doesn't seem like it is going to lead to a very interesting outcome.
It's either balls deep, or blue balls.
Fuck that, it would mean you'd never log off
As long as you're doing equations, how long would it take me to solo a large POS in a moros? There're quite a few undefended and abandoned stations that could use some attending to.
If someone is fielding carriers, dreads and titans in a balanced and coordinated fleet, I see no reason why it shouldn't require a shitload of effort to take them down.
Let's not go overboard and turn EvE into whack-a-mole.
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Assuming it's actually abandoned and perfect skills an Amarr Large would take 83 minutes to get through the shields and another 32 minutes for the armor and hull.
EDIT: Using 3x T2 Magstabs, and Meta 0 Guns with faction ammo.
Need 3k stront to do it.
If that was the case no dictor would ever get on any killmails would they? I think your mixing up having an agression timer and being agressed. Trying to warp in a bubble, or landing in a bubble, or even warping into a bubble but logging before getting there all give you agression, otherwise you could log off in bubbles and only get 1 minute timer.
So if you're shot at, you get the 15 minute timer, but if you're bubbled and try to warp you dont? But both situations cause the HIC to gain aggression? And how sure are we that while that might be under the existing mechanics, the 'aggress loggoffski resets timer' option doesn't?
That being the case, in the second situation, would a subcap ship logged off in a bubble stay there until DT?
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I wish there was a manual for this terrible game.
e: an accurate one.
Same with Lady Scarlett.
You don't automatically keep trying to warp when you are logged off in a bubble. The server will only try once at the second you log, after that your ship does absolutely nothing. So if you are tackling with a dictor, you only have a bubble launcer(with no guns) and the super log off. It will stay there for 15 minutes and still disappear. Hictors and dictors are different bro. Hictors can focus point, dictors can't.So if you're shot at, you get the 15 minute timer, but if you're bubbled and try to warp you dont? But both situations cause the HIC to gain aggression? And how sure are we that while that might be under the existing mechanics, the 'aggress loggoffski resets timer' option doesn't?
That being the case, in the second situation, would a subcap ship logged off in a bubble stay there until DT?
I wish there was a manual for this terrible game.
e: an accurate one.
That's how I understand it.
Its going to be us, again, you know it, I know it, just a matter of time at this point, plus December is our classic welp time.
Trick question, what was the last offensive Shamis was directly involved in?
Aside from that its awesome to watch you all run around screaming "WHOOOPEE" and theory crafting all this nonsensical nonsense about what could happen without actually seeing what will happen.
I did this once with the Tempest thing, I won't do it again, I'll let Shadoo do it this time if he feels we need to, otherwise we'll just let the winter expansion come and show you instead.
Also somebody tell poaw how to play EVE please, this is getting painful.
I wonder if they will think to take the drone bay requirement out of building dreads and titans. And if they do will it be replaced with other cap parts or not. cuz not having to build 500 drone bays for a erb would make it somewhat cheaper to build.
i think i hit a smug overload sometime around the hilmar blog and the 'all pvpers are osama' thread so i'm basically just coasting through this getting the odd 'heh' out of raidendot and ncdot posts in the devblog thread. assume i'm smugging though
i have confidence that pee ell will mostly adapt and do things and that ncdot and raidendot will not adapt and will cry and howl, elise and i mostly see eye to eye on these changes. i'd like to see hels not ratfucked with the same fury that the other supercarriers get ratfucked. beyond that though, death2allsupercaps
also i've seen that eve players react to these changes with mathematical analysis and often skip over the more relevant psychological impacts of certain tweaks; at a mathematical level a welpfleet shouldn't be a counter to a super blob. the removal of the logoffski security blanket and the necessity of support fleets are both v. key even if titan guns aren't being nerfed to the satisfaction of all.
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I'm going to try again tonight.
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The mathematical analysis makes a better basis of discussion than a discussion of intangibles because you can proof the maths, meaning that some level of impartiality will be maintained.
Contrast that to NCdot's posting.
CCP need to tweak the change to fighters though, since these are meant to be an anti-subcap weapon. If they're not, then what the hell are FBs?
But Eh, it's CCP, if they didn't get one part completely wrong, it would just feel strange.
Tallest said he took note and will consider the change before expansion.
not sure i get the point behind removing drones from dreads either. it's not particularly a big deal, the few times i used a dread i ended up leaving sentries behind anyway but it does seem rather out of the blue.
Regular carriers can still carry regular drones, for shooting sub caps, as I see it, CCP have shifted the Fighters focus to being the Carriers version of a cap warfare weapon, and completely removed the drones that sub caps can't carry from being able to hurt sub caps.
Basically there's a weapons set for shooting sub caps, and a weapons set for shooting caps.
Sometimes the math is wrong, or retarded, or just doesn't show you the underlying actuality of the situation. Case in point would be Cap remote reps. According to the "SUPERS ARE INVINCIBLE" crowd, you can't kill a nyx in a crowd of nyxes because the cap rep, repairs x amount of damage over x amount of time, multiplied by x number of super caps.
Only thats not the actual case, because of supercap bumpage and other external factors that can't be quantified by the math, they have to be experienced by the pilot.
Basically the math can take you to a certain point, or give you an idea, but until you actually try to do something yourself, standing on the math and going "this is what the math says so its obviously true" makes you look dumb to the people who have tried that and know it NOT to be true in 99% of the situations.
Basically saying math =/= science.
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