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    Default Why we will never meet intelligent life

    Now before I start lets get one thing straight, I am not going to harp about the we are primitive or there is no life in the universe stuff as they has been done to death and even has an hour of Stephen Hawkings in that series he did for Discovery.

    Anyway this theory is based off the following two premises:

    1. Intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe and might even be common
    2. All civilizations go through decline caused by information overload similar to that described in Brave New World

    Lets look at ourselves. 1969 we put men on the moon, same year Concorde was flown for the first time. Now lets look at 2011. No Concorde, no manned space exploration beyond a baked bean tin in low orbit. Why did this happen? My theory is great in its simplicity and that theory is that as civilizations increase their access to information the more that information becomes worthless repeating of the same in a slightly different form over time which leads to no new innovations apart from those that allow the creating, distribution and consumption of more trivial information.

    This will have first started with radio then television and now of course the Internet. At first the information was dull, some words and a few pictures but then people started putting porn on the Internet and from that point on we were doomed. More people joined in looking at porn and the last innovators cast their eye on a fresh pastures for both intellectual pursuits and the civil version of hunting in the collection of wealth.

    As more and different consumers started to become available more and different amounts of content was needed to keep their interest and drive revenues until we reach the current point where there is so much information almost all of poor quality that the things people really should pay attention to are swamped in a pulpy mash of droll celeb gossip, porn, sport results and strictly come dancing on ice while on fire riding a tiger. This has even infiltrated news reports so that you now have more time spent on the lives of the rich and famous than you do on wars, crime, disease and in fact anything else important. Who wants to read who is shooting who today when instead we can discuss some cute kittens. I kid you not I saw a discussion on television last week that had "experts" telling us that now we all have big lcd/led/plasma tvs that cats and dogs are watching more television since the vsync of a crt used to make it hard for them to watch. Presumably these people are being paid to research and talk about these pressing matters.

    So anyway as available information increases the quality and relevance of that information decreases as the amount of good information is limited to the time that can be given to producing it while bad information can almost be machine produced (much like the auto generated porn in 1984). This can be seen from the invention of the printing press leading to the spread of knowledge to more people which in turn fueled much of the industrial revolution which improved the quality of lives of almost everyone through to the invention of radio and the further increase of knowledge to the general population and on to television which provided visual as well as aural information Finally the Internet, a cesspool of needles in a haystack of STD infected needles that has finally driven the common man and woman into a world where there is too much to take in and too many people pushing them to take in what they want them to take in and not allowing people to make their own decisions.

    People we have reached the LOLCat low of our civilization. With each passing day more memes are spouted and nothing new is produced, large corporations battle it out not on the strength of their product but on the size of the ambiguous patent pools. The simple reason why we will never meet intelligent life is because in truth, there is no intelligent life and that is including ourselves.

    I thank you.

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    Most enjoyable and interesting read. I've always imagined greed being the main drive behind space exploration and other such endeavors. I'm no scientist but I think even the science links thread might have some "moon mining" schemes in it.

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    Gotta get dat tech!

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    An excellent exposé on the mind of man.

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    At the end of the day we're all just pieces of genetic coding trying to spread our genetic information even further. Like a virus. We may have grand notions about various things but you can't change what we're basically made of. Our existence is largely irrelevant when taking into account the vastness of the universe and its timespan.

    If humans are to make any further notable progress I believe we should be modifying our genetic coding to make us more intelligent plus some cybernetic implants wouldn't go a miss. Lots of ethical implications involved but ~stuff those people~ I always feel like what we are currently capable of perceiving and understanding isn't enough and we need to ascend to a new higher level of conciousness so that we can take grasp of our "destiny" and define ourselves rather than let our genes and environmental factors control us.

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    Interesting read and it does prove a point that all our resources are been poured into useless researches
    "experts" telling us that now we all have big lcd/led/plasma tvs that cats and dogs are watching more television since the vsync of a crt used to make it hard for them to watc
    that's a prime example, as well as the "if we boil water with a frog in, it won't jump out concept"

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    Good post OP however the idea isn't quite new. There's a major shift in user/specialist ratio. Lemme elaborate: at the beginning of 20th century a car owner was also a mechanic, because there was nobody else to do it. In 1940's a granny from distant soviet village could fix TV and buy the right lamps for this in the city every computer user in 1970's was also a programmer.

    As technology becoming more user friendly you don't have to know insides of your stuff (see apple lol) in case of car you just turn it "on" and drive, you don't have to know what's going on inside your engine, same for PC, telephone, internet.

    The most interesting thing that it affects not just simple consumers, that also affects "specialists" as development tools become more automated engineers mostly follow instructions and principles, barely creating something in that old meaning of invention.

    Science while indeed doing some leaps becomes more and more theorethical distancing itself from practical application, modern top-end physics are pure math for example and quantum mechanics are mind-boggling mystics. And practical part of science getting replaced in public perception by silly shit Discovery channel spews (let's blow can of beans because science is fun)

    So yes technology may collapse once few specialists run out of clear instructions and there will be no conditions under wich creative specialists will exist.

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    TL;dr: Unwashed masses will always choose max profit social/economics way of development (quantum babble and spiritual enlightenment don't bring you closer to manhattan penthouse) and in the best interest of economics and social mechanics is to keep masses unwashed. Viscious cicle.


    P.S. I wouldn't speak for another civilizations they may be completely unknowable for our logic and ethics. And not just some "odd monsters", I think Lovecraftian ancients will look as familiar as neighbour's dog comparing to what may exist somewhere.

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    I disagree entirely. The reason there is no Concorde or moon space station is that governments stopped subsidizing them. Both were ridiculously expensive projects. There is still shitloads of innovation going on, just not as ambitious.

    Also corporations are no longer afraid of the government because they know it's easier and cheaper to manipulate them than it is to follow their laws. This leads to more money wasted on junkets, campaigning and advertising instead of r&d. "Financial innovation" also plays a part, taking a lot of smart graduates away from the sciences and taking up huge amounts of wealth investing in derivatives and other financial ponzi schemes instead of investing in more concrete businesses.

    Editing because posting from phone is balls.

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    When it comes to space exploration I am a bit more optimistic. Whether or not the US government gets behind NASA's vision is one thing, but I feel that mankind's curiosity still burns deep. A lot of technological advancements came from NASA in the past. If we get an administration that values NASA and gets behind it. More technological breakthroughs are on the way.

    NASA unveiled plans for a long-awaited $35 billion new rocket program designed to dwarf the storied boosters of the Apollo era and powerful enough to launch astronauts to asteroids and eventually to Mars. Andy Pasztor has details on The News Hub.

    The ambitious project caps months of disputes between NASA and lawmakers, and follows internal White House debates over its price tag. The heavy-lift rocket will be the cornerstone of the U.S.'s efforts to explore deep space, taking "humans to places no one has gone before," said Charles Bolden, head of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
    But huge budget hurdles loom. Mr. Bolden's upbeat announcement Wednesday—surrounded by a clutch of lawmakers on Capitol Hill—kicked off what is likely to be the Obama administration's uphill battle to sell the concept of building, testing and eventually deploying the largest, most capable fleet of rockets ever at a time of escalating deficit worries. Some design details leaked out previously, along with preliminary cost estimates.
    With the first unmanned test flight slated for 2017, followed by a manned flight four years later, NASA seeks to control costs by initially relying on solid rocket-motor technology and engines derived from the retired space shuttles. Later, the plan foresees shifting to next-generation liquid-fueled boosters in a gradual, building-block approach.

    The ultimate goal, according to industry and government officials, is to launch 140 tons or more, including a capsule already under development and able to carry at least four astronauts, far beyond Earth's orbit in future decades.
    Current unmanned Pentagon rockets can blast about 25 tons into orbit, and the Saturn V boosters that sent astronauts to the moon in the 1960s and '70s had a capacity of 130 tons. But unlike the Saturn V, the new rocket is intended to carry self-propelled spacecraft that will separate from the rocket after leaving Earth's orbit and continue into deeper space. The plans call for these spacecraft to land on an asteroid as early as 2025, followed by missions to moons of distant planets and, after 2030, perhaps the Martian surface.

    This artist's conception released by NASA on Sept. 14 shows the Space Launch System.


    Funding remains uncertain even in the near term. NASA officials stressed that getting to the maiden launch of the unmanned rocket will cost roughly $18 billion, but that doesn't include the subsequent additional cost of building a fleet of rockets, modernizing launch facilities, upgrading manned capsules and providing astronauts with spacecraft able to land on future destinations.

    Inside the White House, budget and science officials worried about the overall cost of the new family of rockets, dubbed the Space Launch System. Some accelerated schedules, which called for earlier manned missions than in the final plan and more-frequent flights through 2025, carried price tags exceeding $60 billion.

    In the end, NASA and the White House opted to kick off a pared-down program, which may not produce the most-powerful manned versions of the new boosters for roughly two decades. Like most other domestic agencies, NASA already faces pressure on Capitol Hill to reduce spending levels from previous years.

    For some critics, the announcement's lack of detailed destinations or long-term launch schedules showed a lack of vision. NASA left out the program's "compelling rationale," needed "to help it avoid becoming the contested, overly expensive, late and ultimately canceled program so many fear it is doomed to be," said Mark Albrecht, an industry consultant who was a top White House space official in the late 1980s.

    NASA envisions contractors competing for work on the rockets before and after the first manned flight in 2021, opening up potentially lucrative new business for the U.S. aerospace industry.

    President Obama challenged us to be bold and dream big," Mr. Bolden, the NASA chief and a former astronaut, said in a statement. "Tomorrow's explorers will now dream of one day walking on Mars."

    Over the next few years, a separate fleet of privately developed rockets is intended to replace the space shuttles, serving as taxis and trucks to service the international space station.

    By contrast, NASA's planned rocket, eventually slated to be 400 feet tall with a lift capability roughly five times that of a single shuttle or current unmanned Pentagon booster, aims to push human exploration deeper in the solar system.
    Wednesday's bipartisan show of support contrasted with the intense policy and budget battles that preceded the announcement, with lawmakers taking the extreme step of issuing subpoenas to force NASA to turn over certain planning documents.


    Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R., Texas), one of the rocket's staunchest supporters, said NASA, the White House and Congress finally ended up "on the same page." She said the design and timetable released Wednesday indicate a commitment that "we really are going forward now, all as one, with one goal."


    NASA and White House officials had balked at congressional efforts to steer work on the new rocket to contractors and states hurt by July's retirement of the shuttle fleet. At the same time, Mr. Obama has sought to channel substantial NASA funding to spur development of commercially developed rockets and vehicles to transport cargo and astronauts to the international space station.


    Sensitive to NASA's history of kicking off new rocket programs only to have them stall due to budget pressures, this time NASA officials have tried to hedge their bets. From an engineering perspective, the design is intended to be flexible and more affordable than in the past.


    Such a strategy also has political advantages because it complies with previously approved congressional language to maximize use of contracts and factories associated with earlier rocket-development initiatives killed by the Obama administration.


    A smaller, 70-ton version of the rocket will be the first to lift off, and NASA is betting that initial milestone will help shore up public and congressional support. Follow-on plans also seek to insulate the agency somewhat from sudden budget shifts.


    William Gerstenmaier, NASA's top manned exploration official, told reporters Wednesday that engineers intend to fashion a common core and then strap on different types and sizes of external boosters—presumably supplied by rival contractors—to create a range of more-powerful variants.


    That sets up "a pretty agile or flexible" development path, Mr. Gerstenmaier said, allowing the agency "to deal with changes in annual budgets and it's not going to mean the end of the program."
    Describing NASA's long-term view of the role of entrepreneurs and privately developed rockets in exploring the solar system, Mr. Gerstenmaier said they should compete for future work and "we will enable them as much as we can." But he added, "We will let the future determine how they fit" into NASA's ultimate rocket program.

    And here we are seeing deeper than we have ever before into the cosmos.
    ALMA opens its 'Eyes' wide and reveals its first image










    ALMA, the Atacama Large Millimetre/sub-millimetre Array), the most complex ground based telescope in existence, is officially open to astronomers and has produced its first image. This comes after more than a decade of design and construction involving technological and scientific expertise from countries across four continents, including the UK. The project is technologically state-of-the-art, with numerous individual components from all over the globe having been brought together to make 'first science' possible. The scale of this achievement is demonstrated by the fact that the number of observing proposals on ALMA has outweighed availability nine times over already setting a record for a telescope. In return for the UK's investment in the project, UK scientists have access to ALMA through STFC's subscription to the European Southern Observatory and the project has seen the UK's technical capabilities and expertise strengthen both within academia and industry.

    ALMA is a huge high-frequency observatory that will eventually comprise 66 individual telescopes that are combined electronically to simulate a telescope diameter of up to '6km more than a thousand times the diameter of a single individual telescope within the array. It reveals a view of the Universe that cannot be seen at all by visible-light and infrared telescopes. It observes OElight' emitted in the millimetre and submillimetre wavelength range, roughly one thousand times longer than visible-light wavelengths. Using these longer wavelengths allows astronomers to study extremely cold and visibly opaque objects in space -- such as the dense clouds of cosmic dust and gas from which stars and planets form -- as well as very distant objects from the early Universe.

    I think we'll make contact with other civilizations in the future through AI and automation. It's amazing(and scary) what the military industrial co-ops around the world are working toward with drone technology and nanotechnology.


    Ultimately I am more afraid of what the next few leaps of discovery will unlock and not so much that we'll stagnate or begin to slip backwards.

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    So where did you C+P this from?

    Interesting read, I enjoyed it.

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    Born too late to explore the earth. Born too early to explore the space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by true View Post
    Born too late to explore the earth. Born too early to explore the space.
    Born to explore the net. I got my Fritos and Diet Coke right here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrael View Post
    Born to explore the net. I got my Fritos and Diet Coke right here.
    Some day they'll look back and sing songs aobut the brave explorers of the internet. To boldly go where no basementdweller has gone before.

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    God I love this forum. I don't care if that's sad viewing it from the outside world (which evidently exists), I could spend hours here for the rest of my days...

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    To boldly go where no basementdweller has gone before.
    I explored goatse 2girls1cup 1man1jar boxxy threads and 2-3gb cp dumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by true View Post
    Born too late to explore the earth. Born too early to explore the space.
    Get yourself some scuba gear. Most of this planet still hasn't been fully explored yet.

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    During my training for the aviation education, we had an entire 2 hour lecture devoted to the Concorde. More specifically "Concorde Vs 747." We went over cost tables for maintenance, profit per flight, fuel consumption, resale value, crew training costs, a broad range of factors. The conclusion of the lecture was basically that the 747 remained because of how economic it was with it profit generating potential while the Concorde is now in museums.

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    Is that not the point? We went from doing things not because they are easy but because they are hard to what is the return on investment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glomp View Post
    Is that not the point? We went from doing things not because they are easy but because they are hard to what is the return on investment?
    Could be, but remember the Concorde and the 747 were both commercial ventures.
    EDIT Now I see. I was confused for a second.

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    OP is interesting but western mind focused.

    Prediction: The Chinese decide past treaties on nukes in space are inconvenient and introduce their own version of the abandoned Orion drive. China becomes the new explorers and leads the colonization of space.

    Humanity survives mainly because the Chinese are not yet stagnating and craven like much of the developed world. Earth is subsequently hit by a large object, proving that avoiding risks in exploration only means everyone dies together.

    China wins eve, err life.

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    Generalizing from a sample size of 1 itt.

    Also ignoring the large number of private sector initiatives wrt manned space flight.

    I think we've got a good shot at seeing migration off planet within our lifetime. Simple enough reason: real estate. Not here on the ground, but in space. As LEO gets ever more crowded with space debris, shit gets pushed higher and higher until it's cost effective to build a manned service station upstairs to handle maintenance with robots/manned flight -- too much money invested in satellites to continue with planned obsolescence. How does that end up the cost effective option? Need to service elderly sats to keep them operational, with X number of launches at Y cost, with manned service station at cost Z, you eventually end up with a point where Y > Z and someone does something about it by setting up a facility and selling service contracts. Why pay millions to replace a sat when you can pay a much smaller amount every year to keep it running far longer? Economics (or more accurately markets) at work!

    Eventually you start to see other orbital facilities based around other business models, like acting as a space walmart or hotel, and generally giving people a place to live and a reason to live there. It sounds crazy, but since it's actually relatively easy to generate 1g in space http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity. No, not through Star Trek shit, this is actual science. And if you can generate comfortable conditions for people, well, people will do it.

    And from there the next obvious destination for orbital excitement is the moon. And while a base on the moon's surface would be worthless (shit all resources, takeoff/landing is costly from an energy expenditure pov) a station isn't nearly so bad. And 3-4 day transit was possible with 60s tech -- we can do better today, especially if we launch from orbit (again, massive energy savings means massive dollar savings). And that means more stuff around earth, and more stuff around the moon (gotta have a launch/reception station at both ends, hotels for the rich + transit between, service personnel, etc).

    Breaking into the "why does a market ecosystem develop like that", it's simple. We live in a consumer oriented society. People do stuff for others for pay, and then turn around and use that money to consume stuff. For instance, I sell internet and use that money to buy a computer, rent an apartment, eat, fuck, watch tv, get hammered etc etc etc. My mere existence requires that others be around to provide me with things in return for cash. The more people you have in a location, the more "economic gravity" they generate. Get enough together and large commercial entities start looking for ways to extract cash. And to take, you must first give (in the form of investment and jobs). So there's a logical mechanism that will eventually generate a space based market economy, and it will proceed in an entirely logical manner. I mean, once you're up there in large numbers it starts to make sense to do things like build ships and stations there, rather than on earth, and just ship the materials into space by rocket.

    But you want further! So let's us go further. Mars ho!

    Getting nuke ships or solar sail ships together could reduce transit to 3 months or less. Meaning you can have a cruise followed by a nice hotel and a return. And a base on Mars is sensible because it _does_ have valuable resources: uranium and water. Both would be necessary for prolonged ventures at that distance. After that the asteroid belt is a logical destination. It's hugely dense in useful minerals, and while transit would initially be expensive it would certainly be possible to haul low volume high value materials home while keeping the high volume ones for local production purposes (eg: building vessels for local use around dwarf planet Ceres, which would be the logical local hub for asteroid miners).

    But whither stars? That might take longer. Barring the discovery of extradimensional travel, there exists no short cut around the hard limit of c, interstellar travel would necessarily be a one way trip for humans. That isn't the same thing as a one way trip for information (quantum communication is viable, after all, and a shitload faster than moving humans around). So the only reason to go to another solar system is the desire to start a new colony far from earth. Who might do that? Honestly? Groups that feel marginalized in modern day society would be the likeliest bet for first movers towards the stars. A new homeland a few light years away sounds pretty awesome when you live in a shit ditch on earth and get crapped on by all of humanity. Another reason would be ecological -- earth, or more accurately the ecosystem we equate with earth, is dying due to industrial activity. Individuals looking to relive the environmental glory days of earth's past would hunger for a new planet as yet unspoilt by the trampling horde of everyday people.

    Each time some group heads off to the stars, the next flight becomes cheaper, quicker and (most importantly) safer. We might one day find a way to travel at speeds faster than light; it's possible, if not probable. But it is very likely that science will one day make it possible to download the human mind to a computer (information is information, after all, brains are just really complex and have an "alien" storage system that will one day be solved), and additive manufacturing is ideal for stuff like creating a human body (think The Fifth Element rather than EVE's vats). Shoot your brain from a to b and you've arrived in the only sense that matters. And that would change "space flight" forever by utterly removing the need for manned transit. Shoot a ship full of machines out to a planet, have them set everything up and then email the humans over. Bam, new colony.



    Now that I've laid out a plausible route to the stars, I'll take a pot shot or three at the OP.

    You're generalizing based off a stereotype that you assume to be correct, and from there arrived at a conclusion you consider inevitable. This is a clear case of circular logic: we will never do X because we are Y, and therefore we will never do X. Furthermore, you assume that no one works. If no one works, where does our stuff come from? I assure you that a wizzard didn't do it, whatever the internet told you. Science will keep happening because scientists get all horned up by the thought of getting down and dirty with some lab instruments. And businesses and governments will keep paying for it because scientists are fucking gold at turning out shit that we can use to do stuff that was impossible centuries, or even just decades, ago. I mean, you think the smartphone is a trivial accomplishment? Holy fuck bro, I can watch porn anywhere on my fucking phone. Do you remember the 80s? People were walking around with bricks big enough to fucking bash heads in and chatting away on them. Now we fuck around on the web at high speed with objects smaller than my (oddly proportioned, obviously) dick!

    Why will we eventually race off to space? Well shit nigger, did you not play Homeworld? I laid out a best case scenario for whither space, but the worst case is that we completely fuck this place into an unlivable hell and all decide to gtfo to space to escape the massive hurricanes and general shitfuckery. Just like the niggers in Homeworld did to escape the encroaching desert (seriously that game had AWESOME FUCKING LORE, and if you didn't read the entire manual you are a dumb faggot who totally missed out).

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    Homeworld crew reporting in!
    Most interesting idea, but only time will tell. Hopefully the new NASA heavy lifting rocket program takes off nicely.

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    NASA refuses to build anything not shaped like a dick. Seriously, I would pay to see NASA find a non-penis-based technology for space transit, but it will never happen. If it isn't shaped like a dick, congressmen won't want it.

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    quantum communication is viable, after all, and a shitload faster than moving humans around
    Except it's not because ~shroedinger~

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    This would be a very interesting penis Aeon.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...98-44822-5.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by true View Post
    Except it's not because ~shroedinger~
    Pfft, Shrodinger's my home boy, we got blazed last week and he told me about his dick in a box thought experiment. Shit will revolutionize the way you think about life, the universe and everything once he comes down from that high and writes it down.

    But what I'm really saying here is you can send data through quantum manipulation. And that if you can condense a human brain into bits, and build a new human at the exit point, you can "send" a human through manipulating linked particles and put em together at the other side. Sort of like a fax machine for brains. The talking part works, it's pretty nifty.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography

    Quote Originally Posted by Iseeyouseemeseeyou View Post
    This would be a very interesting penis Aeon.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...98-44822-5.jpg
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=banana+cock



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    Touche..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glomp View Post
    Is that not the point? We went from doing things not because they are easy but because they are hard to what is the return on investment?
    To be fair it's not like Kennedy was being completely altruistic. They did it as a fuck you to the Russians, it was mostly political. The actual moon mission was fairly pointless beyond the technology discovered in getting there. It really comes down to an issue of money, not some mysterious cultural devalutation brought on by jersey shores and wikipedia, I mean come on. Space needs to be commercialized in terms of resources, governments simply can't afford it on the scale necessary. Once that happens, we'll see some big steps, it's just a matter of time. I also disagree with this notion that invention and research being done in this day and age is not pragmatic. Completely false, just look at the strides in materials science, electronics, aviation etc (not to mention the absolutely colossal progress in the more esoteric sciences that are derided itt), we're making more progress than ever and it's going to be affecting our daily lives.

    Also after further reading this thread Aeon nailed it.

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    Kennedy just wanted to ship black people to the moon. LBJ gave em rights instead and thereby saved us a ton of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeon221 View Post
    NASA refuses to build anything not shaped like a dick. Seriously, I would pay to see NASA find a non-penis-based technology for space transit, but it will never happen. If it isn't shaped like a dick, congressmen won't want it.
    The penis just happens to be the most efficient shape in the world.

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    You know, public transit is probably the single most efficient argument against the existence of intelligent life on earth. Holy fuck I hate the people on the bus. They're fat, they're dumb, and they smell like a giant fart factory. Stop taking up all the space you fat motherfuckers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Traakile View Post
    The penis just happens to be the most efficient shape in the world.
    It's very effective at penetrating the unknown, that's for sure.

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    Even if we do make it into space without destroying ourselves the odds of meeting with something that we can recognize as intelligent are pretty poor. Karl Schroeder expands on the idea in Permanence (not the best novel, but it has some interesting ideas).

    In my opinion the universe could be jammed full of intelligent life, it doesn't mean we can communicate with it or even recognize it as intelligent. We can barely communicate with other humans and until very recently we haven't even recognized the other intelligent, albeit non-technological, species that we already share our planet with. If we can't understand non-human intelligence that's as closely related to us genetically as things that evolved on the same planet I don't see us having much chance with anything truly alien.

    As to technological burn-out and information overload I don't really think it's any more viable a concept than when Huxley wrote Brave New World. The rate of change isn't slowing down just because the kids are into some new memes. Memes are as old as language, maybe older. The only thing that's changed is the speed at which the memes can propagate. I can agree that we will (are) seeing some information overload and burnout in our society, but I don't think it's something that we can't adapt too. There were probably some very worried cavemen signing and grunting furiously about roughly the same concept right around the time language really caught on. Some people will overload but the people who don't will adapt and prosper.

    The rate of change is not slowing down perceptibly as our access to information increases, in fact it's probably accelerating. It may not be homo sapiens as we understand them today, but short of nuclear war, nano-holocausts, or big asteroids, I personally think that something related to us will eventually make it into space. Maybe that's just wishful thinking and too much scifi... vOv

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    Double posting shame...

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    I'm not sure I am buying the information burnout theory. As you get older, new technology becomes a pain in the ass. It's like Grandpa trying to program a VCR. And now Mom trying to figure out an iPhone. Kids, they have no problem picking up new technology because they're young and they share information so well at a peer-to-peer level.

    Y'all are just getting old! It's part of a natural cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somedude76 View Post
    I'm not sure I am buying the information burnout theory. As you get older, new technology becomes a pain in the ass. It's like Grandpa trying to program a VCR. And now Mom trying to figure out an iPhone. Kids, they have no problem picking up new technology because they're young and they share information so well at a peer-to-peer level.

    Y'all are just getting old! It's part of a natural cycle.
    The funny thing is burnout is getting turned on it's head as technology moves forward. The biggest growth in facebook accounts last year was in the over 45 bracket (can't remember where I read that). And more and more "old people" are buying and using smart phones. I never thought I'd see my mom capable of using any electronic device, after picking up facebook she's almost pc savvy and definately capable of surfing the web for info. I never thought I'd see that. I think people, no matter how old, are usually able to learn anything they want to learn. Desires the key. The day people don't want or need to learn anything is when things really get weird.

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