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    Default The Ultimate Cancer Treatment?

    http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/ap/us_med_gene_therapy_leukemia

    Scientists are reporting the first clear success with a new approach for treating leukemia — turning the patients' own blood cells into assassins that hunt and destroy their cancer cells.

    They've only done it in three patients so far, but the results were striking: Two appear cancer-free up to a year after treatment, and the third patient is improved but still has some cancer. Scientists are already preparing to try the samegene therapy technique for other kinds of cancer.

    "It worked great. We were surprised it worked as well as it did," said Dr. Carl June, a gene therapy expert at the University of Pennsylvania. "We're just a year out now. We need to find out how long these remissions last."

    He led the study, published Wednesday by two journals, New England Journal of Medicine and Science Translational Medicine.

    It involved three men with very advanced cases of chronic lymphocytic leukemia, or CLL. The only hope for a cure now is bone marrow or stem cell transplants, which don't always work and carry a high risk of death.

    Scientists have been working for years to find ways to boost the immune system's ability to fight cancer. Earlier attempts at genetically modifying bloodstream soldiers called T-cells have had limited success; the modified cells didn't reproduce well and quickly disappeared.

    June and his colleagues made changes to the technique, using a novel carrier to deliver the new genes into the T-cells and a signaling mechanism telling the cells to kill and multiply.

    That resulted in armies of "serial killer" cells that targeted cancer cells, destroyed them, and went on to kill new cancer as it emerged. It was known that T-cells attackviruses that way, but this is the first time it's been done against cancer, June said.

    For the experiment, blood was taken from each patient and T-cells removed. After they were altered in a lab, millions of the cells were returned to the patient in three infusions.

    The researchers described the experience of one 64-year-old patient in detail. There was no change for two weeks, but then he became ill with chills, nausea and fever. He and the other two patients were hit with a condition that occurs when a large number of cancer cells die at the same time — a sign that the gene therapy is working.

    "It was like the worse flu of their life," June said. "But after that, it's over. They're well."

    The main complication seems to be that this technique also destroys some other infection-fighting blood cells; so far the patients have been getting monthly treatments for that.

    Penn researchers want to test the gene therapy technique in leukemia-related cancers, as well as pancreatic and ovarian cancer, he said. Other institutions are looking at prostate and brain cancer.

    Dr. Walter J. Urba of the Providence Cancer Center in Portland, Ore., called the findings "pretty remarkable" but added a note of caution because of the size of the study.

    "It's still just three patients. Three's better than one, but it's not 100," said Urba, one of the authors of an editorial on the research that appears in the New England Journal.

    What happens long-term is key, he said: "What's it like a year from now, two years from now, for these patients."

    But Dr. Kanti Rai, a blood cancer expert at New York's Long Island Jewish Medical Center, could hardly contain his enthusiasm, saying he usually is more reserved in his comments on such reports.

    "It's an amazing, amazing kind of achievement," said Rai, who had no role in the research.

    One of the patients, who did not want to be identified, wrote about his illness, and released a statement through the university. The man, himself a scientist, called himself "very lucky," although he wrote that he didn't feel that way when he was first diagnosed 15 years ago at age 50.

    He was successfully treated over the years with chemotherapy until standard drugs no longer worked.

    Now, almost a year since he entered the study, "I'm healthy and still in remission. I know this may not be a permanent condition, but I decided to declare victory and assume that I had won."
    In all the arguments I've seen about increasing the human life span, it always dwindles down to "Cancer will eventually kill you", so I found this rather intriguing

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    They also claim it will prevent future cancer as the altered cells remain in the patient's body.
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    I'm going to live forever
    +rep ;)

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    Scientist > After a years of work we managed to reduce a number of cancer cells in the lab rat's tail by 3%...
    Journalist > SCIENTISTS DEFEATED CANCER!!!
    S > Wait wait we didn't defeat cancer but we moved forward in this direction
    J > SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED A WAY TO TRAVEL IN TIME!!!
    S> fuck you...
    J > FAMOUS SCIENTIST RAPES A JOURNALIST!!!


    That's a short how to on the writing of scientific articles, see discovery channel.

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    Very good friend of mine died from Leukemia at 25ish after battling it for years. Nasty business.

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    Great news, they have been trying for a long time to "wake up" the T-cells to kill the cancer. The biggest problem is of course is that cancer shares your DNA so they wont attack it. There are few exceptions to that rule, in very rare cases(1/1000) far gone cancer patients get better by their own, due to the T-cells figuring out the problem.

    Then there is people with Autoimmunity.

    While a high level of autoimmunity is unhealthy, a low level of autoimmunity may actually be beneficial. First, low-level autoimmunity might aid in the recognition of neoplastic cells by CD8+ T cells, and thus reduce the incidence of cancer.

    Second, autoimmunity may have a role in allowing a rapid immune response in the early stages of an infection when the availability of foreign antigens limits the response (i.e., when there are few pathogens present). In their study, Stefanova et al. (2002) injected an anti-MHC Class II antibody into mice expressing a single type of MHC Class II molecule (H-2b) to temporarily prevent CD4+ T cell-MHC interaction. Naive CD4+ T cells (those that have not encountered any antigens before) recovered from these mice 36 hours post-anti-MHC administration showed decreased responsiveness to the antigen pigeon cytochrome C peptide, as determined by Zap-70 phosphorylation, proliferation, and Interleukin-2 production. Thus Stefanova et al. (2002) demonstrated that self-MHC recognition (which, if too strong may contribute to autoimmune disease) maintains the responsiveness of CD4+ T cells when foreign antigens are absent.[1] This idea of autoimmunity is conceptually similar to play-fighting. The play-fighting of young cubs (TCR and self-MHC) may result in a few scratches or scars (low-level-autoimmunity), but is beneficial in the long-term as it primes the young cub for proper fights in the future.
    Normal T-cells are like a well behaved UK police men, autoimmune T-cells are like L.A. cops driving through the getto.

    The problem with having autoimmune T-cells is that you need heavy infections to stay normal, people with inflamed intestine have reported to have gotten better if they got parasitic worms. People that would have shrugged off the black plague, Spanish flu, multiable parasitic worms, cancer, etc, are having problems to day because of lack of deceases.

    Why do I know this? Both sides of my family have it, never get sick, cancer is unheard of. But the autoimmune shows it self in all shorts of problems.

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    Hmm they say... people growing up in the 3rd world have better immune systems.

    But I grew up in California and I just have allergies
    +rep ;)

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    little too late for me-but encouraging nonetheless!

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    Time to have a cigar to celebrate this great news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrael View Post
    Hmm they say... people growing up in the 3rd world have better immune systems.

    But I grew up in California and I just have allergies
    first world problems

    my parents let me get covered in mud and i was around cats/dogs = no allergies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora148 View Post
    first world problems

    my parents let me get covered in mud and i was around cats/dogs = no allergies
    I'm actually allergic to grass pollen and pets dandruff or w/e the most
    +rep ;)

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    Is it the ultimate cure though? Heard somewhere that they used a genetically enhanced virus that targets cancer sometime ago. Does that not bring less stress to the patient? If they make it multi applicable(Same virus used in every human), much cheaper as well.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0620154921.htm
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0112110747.htm

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    Sounds similar to Phages.. Phage research was coming along well, haven't heard anything about it in a few years .

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