How would you like to see the site improve? (Don't say "Ban <username>")

**Wildside** · 2012-02-26

in fear of sounding some kinda elitist, I always enjoyed(mostly) kugu for a place where you could smugpost, somewhat educatly with people (including your ingame hostiles) much like a sigarclub or something. Im not saying banning people or something, and a good post should have nothing to do with if you agree or not with a idea/point of view, but atleast encourage people to post somewhat "constructive" and just not LOL UMAD.

I prob just said what several other people in this thread have alrdy said tho.

**July** · 2012-02-26

It seems like most people agree that more moderation needs to be done, but the split in the road is whether it should be done through self-moderation (rep system), through selected individuals trusted with the responsibility (mods), or a mix of both.

Personally I believe only selected, trusted individuals (mods) should have the responsibility to moderate the ability to post since the alternative opens up the door for a system that could be abused to bully posters, regardless of the quality of their posting.

Edit: Either way, shitposting (especially when done repeatedly and on purpose) needs to have consequences beyond having a red bar.

**Wildside** · 2012-02-26

while Im not hating on any moderators nor am I critizing anyone, most moderators seems to take their job as some sort of bitter vet -acknowledgment-resort-job and then go awol/inactive once the "fun" of chestbeating beeing a moderator on kugu is over. Im not saying they are doing a bad job either, but I dont think putting a "heavy" work load with a lot of moderating by a few moderators is gonna end successfull.

**John Smith** · 2012-02-26

Originally Posted by Wildside

while Im not hating on any moderators nor am I critizing anyone, most moderators seems to take their job as some sort of bitter vet -acknowledgment-resort-job and then go awol/inactive once the "fun" of chestbeating beeing a moderator on kugu is over. Im not saying they are doing a bad job either, but I dont think putting a "heavy" work load with a lot of moderating by a few moderators is gonna end successfull.

We don't get that many reported posts and you can't expect us to read every thread. Maybe 2 posts reported a day max, sometimes there is none.

**Della Monk** · 2012-02-27

Perhaps x number of negreps automatically reports a post? With penalties for abuse of course. Or people could just report more actively.

**Venetian Tar** · 2012-02-27

I read most of the threads in EOU, Foreplay and the games section. All of those forums interest me enough to read, post and (occasionally) contribute if I can.

On the subject of rep, I'm not really bothered about it personally. A reset is probably needed at some point, but removing it is pointless and takes away some of the fun to the way people post.

Moderation has been a little scarce recently. A few more could be promoted if there are enough people to be considered for the position(s) and the assumption that they won't just burn out after a week of infractions, moving posts and banning spam bots.

Kugu is the only forum I really frequent, this site is my relief from boredom and I enjoy reading a lot of the updates, battle reports and even the smug posts sometimes. Changing it majorly might not be the best idea, but there's a few little changes that could improve the amount of visits, contributors and posters.

**MpozoY** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

From my perspective (probably terribly inaccurate):

Inactive mods: Pripyat, Hratli
Inconsistently active: Mittens, MpozoY, John Smith, Murr, Vinata
Active: xutech

I lost internet access last year for a good while and got demodded somewhere in there. Haven't seen Hratli in ages either. While the comments in this thread seem to be pro-mod, some people seem to super-hate even getting warning and spazz the hell out (hilariously) about it.

The best (really, only) reason to play Eve Online: A Bad Game In Space is to poop on other people. Kugu, especially EOU, functions as a key part of that metagame, at least for kind-of-english-speaking 0.0 dwellers. Some people are better at it and some people are horrible doodoo-eaters. The signal/noise of EOU may reflect that, but without the noise there would be no signal. It's pretty easy to keep the serious forums like SDF clean if a mod can be bothered to go in there.

The rep system reflects this as well. I personally think the rep system (and specifically the rep comments page) works fine as a backchannel on post quality; forums without it tend to have a ton of emptyquotes, 'lol' and other chaff nonsense that EOU avoids. Honestly, a lot of people with weak rep have it because they aren't good posters (either not funny or just no content yesmen.) Of course you get petulant children -repping people they don't like or circlejerking, but you're not going to realistically get rid of that. I wouldn't mind a reset and might suggest a system that discards +-reps older than a month or so as a sort of rolling average. After all, your rep trend is probably a more meaningful indicator than your historical total.

**MpozoY** · 2012-02-27

Also please implement a hello kitty skin tia

**ihaveahelmet** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by riverini

please point out stolen content or STFU

www.evenews24.com

here you go

**progodlegend** · 2012-02-27

Negrepping needs to atleast be equal with plus rep in terms of rep power, if not more. Everyone has green bars these days, and the amount of people with full bars is just retarded. It's too hard to negrep people into oblivion, or at least back down to average poster, and too easy for a dude to accumulate rep even if getting a pretty heavy dose of neg reps.

**Checkbox Poll** · 2012-02-27

I'm going to jump on the bandwagon that rep is a good way to avoid single word or phrase posts like "lol" and "this."

rep doesn't really matter, so i don't see what a reset would do aside from taking away my imaginary internet points.

**UnknownPoster** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by progodlegend

Negrepping needs to atleast be equal with plus rep in terms of rep power, if not more. Everyone has green bars these days, and the amount of people with full bars is just retarded. It's too hard to negrep people into oblivion, or at least back down to average poster, and too easy for a dude to accumulate rep even if getting a pretty heavy dose of neg reps.

This both solves and creates problems, as it then creates the ability to smite somone with the classic "negrep brigade" of which so many people have been the target of.

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by progodlegend

Negrepping needs to atleast be equal with plus rep in terms of rep power, if not more. Everyone has green bars these days, and the amount of people with full bars is just retarded. It's too hard to negrep people into oblivion, or at least back down to average poster, and too easy for a dude to accumulate rep even if getting a pretty heavy dose of neg reps.

This means that the rep system is working as intended. A thumbs down is usually attributed to specific things a person has said or done, while a thumbs up is to express general approval at conduct. To be more succinct, disapproval is usually specific while approval is general.

I know, to some degree, what your post is related to; your alliance recently moved a thread on your forums from the general membership section to the leadership-only area (or deleted it or something) which housed an attempt to rabble-rouse a campaign to mass-negrep Leetcheese (known on here as "Checkbox Poll") over him calling a Nulli Secunda FC's fit a coward fit.

That attempt failed because half-power negreps ensure that established members of the community who post regularly and contribute enough content to receive positive feedback can't be zerg-rushed by a large amount of new or low-contribution members (like accounts that sit and lurk and simply gather rep power over a long period of time) in organized campaigns.

Kugutsumen is a decent online community; granting equal-power negreps to plusreps would cause people who use the rep system as feedback for their contributions to the site to be more cautious or hesitant when they post. It would also mean that newer members would be more likely to side with popular opinion because they could join the ranks of red-bar shitposter easily.

**Space Dude123** · 2012-02-27

hmmmmm..... Ban Space Dude123

I am still going to get tons of neg rep because all I do is lame jokes and criticize goons.

Neg rep incoming.

Originally Posted by Vinata

Killboard - This idea has been pretty much tossed aside because other people already provide great alternatives.

Contests and shit - We've had these, and they've been fine, but they've fucking killed my wallet.

eve-kill and other public killboards are ok, but tied together with kugu it would be cool and we can rep each other for comments on the kb (probably not the best choice for me then :-D) Plus, there are a lot of different options out there of better ways for searching through ship types, comparing pilots, statistics, use of unique ships and so on.

How about for an idea for doing prizes, that we come up with a competition for the first person to have an idea posted for an improvement which gets used.... which I guess I would win because of this idea if it ended up being used.... trolllolololol

**UnknownPoster** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Space Dude123

hmmmmm..... Ban Space Dude123

I am still going to get tons of neg rep because all I do is lame jokes and criticize goons.

Neg rep incoming.

eve-kill and other public killboards are ok, but tied together with kugu it would be cool and we can rep each other for comments on the kb (probably not the best choice for me then :-D) Plus, there are a lot of different options out there of better ways for searching through ship types, comparing pilots, statistics, use of unique ships and so on.

How about for an idea for doing prizes, that we come up with a competition for the first person to have an idea posted for an improvement which gets used.... which I guess I would win because of this idea if it ended up being used.... trolllolololol

A tip is to not talk about getting negrepped in your post. Theres some general rules to good/bad posting. People tend to get angry when they get negrepped, not realizing they broke many of these rules.

**Vinata** · 2012-02-27

The rep system eliminating one word no content posts is a good point I hadn't considered, and I like the idea of rep erasing itself after a month.

The big issue seems to be mods. John Smith does his job, Prip is awol, viper is really busy irl, and I don't know about Murr - I'm sort of out of touch with everyone.

If you guys think you have good suggestions for active mods, tell me. Just bear in mind I want people who would make good mods, and not necessarily people who are well liked - People hated on Pripyat but he is a great mod when he's active.

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-02-27

I wouldn't mind moderating. I read Kugu regularly and moderating is, for the most part, janitorial work.

**Fix Lag** · 2012-02-27

OH GOD PLEASE NO

Actually, if you aren't a complete faggot once you get mod powers, this wouldn't be too bad of an idea. That's a pretty damn big if, though.

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Fix Lag

OH GOD PLEASE NO

Actually, if you aren't a complete faggot once you get mod powers, this wouldn't be too bad of an idea. That's a pretty damn big if, though.

I'm already a TEST diplo and I haven't even gotten us reset by the CFC yet.

**UnknownPoster** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Fix Lag

OH GOD PLEASE NO

Actually, if you aren't a complete faggot once you get mod powers, this wouldn't be too bad of an idea. That's a pretty damn big if, though.

He's remained fairly calm and openminded throughout this thread. It wouldnt be a terrible idea for him to mod. He DOES have more time on his hands than most.

**Grogoth** · 2012-02-27

Me and DHD as moderators.

**Checkbox Poll** · 2012-02-27

Durr is actually pretty level headed. Anyone that honestly thinks he's some sort of unhinged neckbeard sperg is probably biting on too many trolls.

**Venetian Tar** · 2012-02-27

I'd also like to put my name in the proverbial hat to moderate. I promise to provide equal and non-biased moderation.

**UnknownPoster** · 2012-02-27

I only know what I read on the forums

**Doink9731** · 2012-02-27

I'm really looking forward to a Kugu wiki, which I hope will be dedicated to documenting the user generated content of Eve Online.

Originally Posted by Vile rat

Create a 'front page' news site with user contributed content but actually funny and useful shit instead of just some propaganda site. Basically make an EN24 but make it not suck.

The front page does need serious improvement. I just bookmarked uncensored and skip it. Everything that shows up on it is just promoted content I've already read.

I want to see separate sections and subsections to present content from the major areas of Eve more akin to Wikipedia's portal system as opposed to the awful layout of Gawker/Kotaku/EN24.

Originally Posted by Viribus

Remove the rep system.

Any kind of rep system encourages bandwagoning bullshit, homogenous opinions, and "witty" one-liners over actual content and discussion. See: reddit, most forums. Not only are people likely afraid to post something contrarian out of fear of being negrepped, they're discouraged from posting something boring (but possibly informative to some people) out of fear of not being +repped and thus impacting their ~ratio~. It would be as simple as "don't care about e-points" but that raises the question of why we have e-points in the first place.

It'll also get rid of a lot of unwarranted smug from certain cockholsters that think they're valuable posters because they get circlejerk repped by people from their giant alliance.

The reputation system is integral to Kugu as it acts as a form of community moderation. It helps generate a user history and valuable other feedback one can use when accessing posts. I attribute Kugu's relative quality when compared to other websites like Reddit, 4chan, the EO forums, EN24, or Failheap Challenge to this system.

I don't think the "bandwagoning bullshit, homogenous opinions, and "witty" one-liners" is a byproduct of a reputation system. You see these traits in any large group.

Also, I agree with everything DurrHurrDurr said. :3

**MpozoY** · 2012-02-27

Most of the people you would want to negbomb into oblivion are registered under silly gimmick names and when they get too low (or if you somehow banished their posts) they would just resub with a different name. Yes, there are exceptions, but those guys lick windows.

**Jinli mei** · 2012-02-27

I would positively love to see a Kugu wiki -- there is a lot of lore and stories here that are hard to wade through threads that could be transplanted into a wiki which is a bit easier to digest when looking at something even 3-4 months old.

As for the rep system -- Perhaps there should be a min/max limit on rep and/or power? The only reason I suggest this is to keep people falling into the brink of destruction or achieve some sort of forum-nirvana where they can post as they please since they're now reborn as a repgod, and would keep a potentiality for good posters who decide to shitpost in check and for badposters who are interested in trying to decently post somewhat of a chance.

I, too, agree with everything DHD said and Walter Stine as well. A healthy dose of moderation will make this community thrive, and with some proper adjustments to the rep mechanics will keep it relatively stable.

**Barry Zuckerkorn** · 2012-02-27

I think this was briefly touched on however one thing I feel that should be considered before any change to the layout and content should be keeping the site uncluttered and easy to navigate. For me it is one of the main draws and I feel this is a common trait among some great websites (google, old school facebook, youtube).

[spoiler=For example here is a Google, nice easy navigate and clean]

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[spoiler= Compare to PBnation one of the largests forums on the internet]

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Even though Pbnation is one of the largest forums on the internet it looks like shit. So when these changes are integrated I feel care should be taken to maintain Kugu's clean, simple, and easy to navigate layout. The reputation system is cool so I hope it does not go away. I also agree and think a Wiki would be a great addition some history, great threads, user pages lot of room for creation and content.

One VERY troubling thing I have noticed is a decline in the use of the smug emote.

**Iratus** · 2012-02-27

A few loosely connected points that probably just echo a lot of previous posts:

* Getting rid of the rep system would be, IMO, getting rid of an important tool for self-moderation and an integral part of K.com's culture. I'd tweak it, tho', with the objective of making it more post-oriented: making it easy to see how any post in the site was rated (and who rated it) would serve as a clear indicator of what constitutes a shitpost and what's a great post. It's important to diplay who +/- repped a post, to make it obvious if a shitposter is just being circlejerked into greenlands by his alliancemates/blues/fellow trolls or if a -rep brigade is in effect.

* Increased moderation would be lovely. I hereby give my meaningless support to DHD as a mod. He's active, a skilled troll (which qualifies him to judge wether or not a shitpost is worth keeping just for the sake of humour), and has a shitload of time to waste on internet spaceships forums.

* Regarding changes to the site, a wiki-like archives thing would be awesome. Give editing power to foreplay people, and give some kind of reward to those who contribute. One of the main draws towards EVE is it's player-driven history, but that history is sorely lacking on proper condensed records. We have people who have played that awful game for years and years, and the knowledge is going to waste because it only surfaces in a few posts that get buried in supercap balance mery-go-rounds and other shit. If EVE needs a historical encyclopedia, why don't we build it? This initiative would also double as an easier to maintain news site, meant to record the political fuckery instead of the k/d ratio of some engagement. I imagine a site full of captainktainer-level updates and alliance bios... :swoon: (as a bonus, doing this would be another big fuck you to CCP, because they'd have to deal with the best source of marketing material for their game being censored in their own forums)

* Make riverini unable to post. For the love of god, please. Ghost-ban him, cut his fingers, burn his keyboard... I don't care, just make it stop.

**Vinata** · 2012-02-27

I've received a good mod nomination via PM, and I'm inclined to give DHD a chance as an EOU exclusive mod.

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-02-27

I'd be willing to edit content for said news site on the condition that 1) BRs are Elise Randolph-caliber and 2) opinion articles like 'nerf wardecs' get trashed instantly. Mittens' post in TenTonHammer is an example of good opinion writing. Like Berious said, no hurf durf.

**Themick** · 2012-02-27

I will openly admit my ignorance when it comes to coding, or anything computer wise past building and upkeep on my own PC(personally fabricated liquid cooling is awesome fyi) but if it is within the abilities of the site/people who run it to do so, maybe a combination of three previously stated ideas would be best for the rep system.

A rep reset, and after the reset, the rep system will continuously cycle. For instance, I receive 100 +rep for this post, ~30 days from now that +rep falls off. Also, post limit per amount of rep: 0 rep gets you 5 posts per day, -500 1 post per day, +500 10 posts, but once again, you guys should be the ones to judge the values that may be appropriate here.

**Vinata** · 2012-02-27

I'm not going to limit posting based upon rep.

**tgr** · 2012-02-27

I like the idea of showing rep given to someone the last 1-3 months, this makes continued goodposting more worthwhile, while letting vonq-style coke-spergs erase themselves after a while.

Riverinis would probably still get shat on, but them's the breaks. v

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**Kanloch** · 2012-02-27

I'd like to echo earlier sentiments of EOU, politics, drama and the like being the main reason that I have for visiting kugu.

I don't know about anyone else but that was what I was drawn to, it's far more interesting to watch than threads on game mechanics (of which I admit I only grasp the basics of).

At the moment you've got EOU being in the centre of the Eve section, with the SDF being at the bottom; this could be a contributing factor as to why people aren't as active on that part as they either just sit in EOU (much like I do) or only appear every so often to check up new EOU threads.

A possible solution to having more people look in the SDF would be to make it a subforum of EOU, that way it's at the top of the page and people are a bit more likely to click on to it when it's a particularly slow day on EOU or they feel like a change from the shitposting that goes on at times.

**Lucas Quaan** · 2012-02-27

Another +1 for 30d rolling average rep as a good idea, for all the reasons stated above.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-02-27

Remake the rep power thing to nerf post count and reg date.

also leak gf.com wiki

**JimFromIT** · 2012-02-27

Getting rid of rep is a pretty bad idea - for one thing it's a side-game to play, nobody who actually considers themselves part of the community sees it as being super serious, and the people who would take rep that serious are the generally the same people that don't "fit in" with the rest of the community. In-game alliance ect has almost no real effect on rep ect - I have had more plus rep from hostile parties and more neg rep from friendly ones.

A wikki would be good though - keep it focused on eve politics rather than game mechanics ect, I trawled all through foreplay for a good couple of days when I got it and really enjoyed all that stuff. I would keep the wiki farily thin on actual porn and stuff though - continue to make people stump up cash for all that.

More mods would be good too - I'm sure there are plenty of candidates, the more we have the less

it becomes.

**Night Combat** · 2012-02-27

I like the negrep system. I would keep it. I fear, guys like Grath or Jeffraider and all the other guys, who negrepped me, would do something to themselves, if it was not there. It has a great psychological value. They press the negrep button as kind of a panic button and then they think, everything is going to be ok again. Or they look on their own rep, if they get self-doubts, they might be not as cool as they thought they are, and it calms them down. It works like a little pacebo. It is nice to have.

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Vinata

I've received a good mod nomination via PM, and I'm inclined to give DHD a chance as an EOU exclusive mod.

That's cool. I don't really go to any of the other subforums anyway. I've made a few posts in Trollympus and I think one in Serious Discussion.

**Seymore Graves** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Night Combat

I like the negrep system. I would keep it. I fear, guys like Grath or Jeffraider and all the other guys, who negrepped me, would do something to themselves, if it was not there. It has a great psychological value. They press the negrep button as kind of a panic button and then they think, everything is going to be ok again. Or they look on their own rep, if they get self-doubts, they might be not as cool as they thought they are, and it calms them down. It works like a little pacebo. It is nice to have.

**Securitas** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Seymore Graves

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-02-27

This isn't a callout thread

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-02-27

OR IS IT

**Finiks** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by DurrHurrDurr

/cut
...an attempt to rabble-rouse a campaign to mass-negrep Leetcheese (known on here as "Checkbox Poll") over him calling a Nulli Secunda FC's fit a coward fit.

Can we finally get over those 4 (FOUR) negreps leetcheese received? After all many of us negrepped our own alliance members for that shit. -.-

**penifSMASH** · 2012-02-27

Rep is fine as it is. Anyone that takes it seriously is a faglord but it's still fun to keep around to see which guys like your post and which guys you've upset.

An Alex Clomsaver-like content poster would be pretty cool to give 0.0 updates again, but I don't know if you can find one

Other than that, the site is fine as long as Mittani doesn't randomly ban random posters to stifle discussion.

**Berious** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by Night Combat

I like the negrep system. I would keep it. I fear, guys like Grath or Jeffraider and all the other guys, who negrepped me, would do something to themselves, if it was not there. It has a great psychological value. They press the negrep button as kind of a panic button and then they think, everything is going to be ok again. Or they look on their own rep, if they get self-doubts, they might be not as cool as they thought they are, and it calms them down. It works like a little pacebo. It is nice to have.

fyi posts like this is why you have a negative rep

**Eskalin** · 2012-02-27

I'd like to see tapatalk implemented for those of us on android os. The free version is monetized but v0v, devs need ramen too.

**progodlegend** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by DurrHurrDurr

This means that the rep system is working as intended. A thumbs down is usually attributed to specific things a person has said or done, while a thumbs up is to express general approval at conduct. To be more succinct, disapproval is usually specific while approval is general.

I know, to some degree, what your post is related to; your alliance recently moved a thread on your forums from the general membership section to the leadership-only area (or deleted it or something) which housed an attempt to rabble-rouse a campaign to mass-negrep Leetcheese (known on here as "Checkbox Poll") over him calling a Nulli Secunda FC's fit a coward fit.

That attempt failed because half-power negreps ensure that established members of the community who post regularly and contribute enough content to receive positive feedback can't be zerg-rushed by a large amount of new or low-contribution members (like accounts that sit and lurk and simply gather rep power over a long period of time) in organized campaigns.

Kugutsumen is a decent online community; granting equal-power negreps to plusreps would cause people who use the rep system as feedback for their contributions to the site to be more cautious or hesitant when they post. It would also mean that newer members would be more likely to side with popular opinion because they could join the ranks of red-bar shitposter easily.

My post has nothing to do with that vov. I don't really think anyone tried to mass neg-rep or do anything on kugu :seriously:, not that it really matters anyway. My post has everything to do with the fact that half of the nulli kugu posters have somehow managed a positive rep, defying all laws of physics. There's a dude with literally half neg reps, yet he has 5 green bars.

Besides, I don't think it would be an issue really. Their are already plenty of plus-rep circle jerks that people would be fine. Like in reality, only 4 out of 10 post on kugu are post that should not be deleted, and maybe half that number are not shit posters, yet literally 95% of the posters have a healthy amount of green bars. Even if my made up numbers are off, I have a lot of trouble believing that 95% of the posters on this forum are putting anything worth reading out there.

In all seriousness though, removing the rep system or making neg rep more powerful would help their be more content on these forums. At the moment, all of the EVE threads are filled with virtually no useful content, but instead useless one liners and terrible attempts at trolling that really aren't trolling at all, "lul I said that dude sucks and now he's mad look at him trololololol stupid pubbie." Anything that can help reduce all of the nothing post would be helpful. Literally a thread can move 2 whole page's in 8 hours without a single post being relevant or even worth reading.

Edit: just read the last paragraph of your post, if people are using the rep system as means for feedback on whether their content is contributing to the community, then it's obviously not working. Most plus rep's are either circle-jerks from their own side for calling dudes on the other side an idiot, or enemy of my enemy is a friend rep's which is basically the same thing. The only content that seems to actually gain enough rep to give some kind of indication that it was actually worth reading are decently written battle reports, or political updates, or anything with content really vov vov.

And I like how you say if people were neg repped harder it would make them more cautious about what they post, isn't that the whole point?

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-02-27

Originally Posted by progodlegend

My post has nothing to do with that vov. I don't really think anyone tried to mass neg-rep or do anything on kugu :seriously:, not that it really matters anyway. My post has everything to do with the fact that half of the nulli kugu posters have somehow managed a positive rep, defying all laws of physics. There's a dude with literally half neg reps, yet he has 5 green bars.

Besides, I don't think it would be an issue really. Their are already plenty of plus-rep circle jerks that people would be fine. Like in reality, only 4 out of 10 post on kugu are post that should not be deleted, and maybe half that number are not shit posters, yet literally 95% of the posters have a healthy amount of green bars. Even if my made up numbers are off, I have a lot of trouble believing that 95% of the posters on this forum are putting anything worth reading out there.

In all seriousness though, removing the rep system or making neg rep more powerful would help their be more content on these forums. At the moment, all of the EVE threads are filled with virtually no useful content, but instead useless one liners and terrible attempts at trolling that really aren't trolling at all, "lul I said that dude sucks and now he's mad look at him trololololol stupid pubbie." Anything that can help reduce all of the nothing post would be helpful. Literally a thread can move 2 whole page's in 8 hours without a single post being relevant or even worth reading.

Edit: just read the last paragraph of your post, if people are using the rep system as means for feedback on whether their content is contributing to the community, then it's obviously not working. Most plus rep's are either circle-jerks from their own side for calling dudes on the other side an idiot, or enemy of my enemy is a friend rep's which is basically the same thing. The only content that seems to actually gain enough rep to give some kind of indication that it was actually worth reading are decently written battle reports, or political updates, or anything with content really vov vov.

And I like how you say if people were neg repped harder it would make them more cautious about what they post, isn't that the whole point?

There were posts in the Nulli thread accusing other members of not "defending our allies" and claims that Origin. members were "helping our enemies" on Kugu.

Anyways, that's not the important part, so I'll focus on the rest of your post.

Circlejerks happen in every environment. They're not as pronounced or exaggerated as people like to claim, and there aren't very many groups with a large enough base of high-power users (mainly just GSF and PL come to mind) to stage an effective, organized circlejerk, and the hassle of moving from page to page repping random people to continue repping the ones you're circlejerking is enough of an unintuitive hassle that most people don't bother.

EO:U has never been a bastion of supreme constructive posting; it's, as long as I've been here, been a frothing pit for people to sling shit and be smug amongst spatterings of good content. The difference between then and now is simply that the amount of worthless noise has increased. Even further, there is such thing as quality noise; posts that are witty, funny or clever qualify as decent noise, where posters coming out after a fight and going "STUPID NOOBS WON'T FIGHT WITHOUT BLOBBING" or other such idiotic e-honour chestbeating is worthless noise.

For example; posts that directly comment on an event that say "Lol they got owned" aren't particularly constructive, but Kugu shouldn't be a place for members to come and spew angry butthurt over getting hotdropped by a second fleet or complaining for two pages about lagging out on a gate; a perfect example is the recent G0dfathers thread about SBUs in 38IA. A bunch of G0dfather posters registered on the site solely to post in that thread and push a narrative.

People that register to post in one specific thread because they're involved in the conflict are often the issue more than people who are poor posters in general.

As for your opinions about rep; the amount of rep doesn't particularly matter. I think the 30-day trend is good, although there are a lot of users who don't post in large volume so I think a 60 or 90 day trending average would be better, but beyond that the amount of rep people have isn't extremely relevant. People who manage to harvest large amounts of negreps (such as the person you claimed had half negreps and still had 5 green bars) should still see how much people disagree with their style of posting through sheer feedback volume and try to tone it down of their own volition. If they aren't in the red, chances are they aren't one of the worst offenders and are instead just not a posting saint.

As for your edit, there's a distinct difference between people receiving negreps that encourage them to change their posting behaviour and receiving negreps that discourage you from posting entirely. I hold that, given time to sit down and think and analyze for a few minutes before putting their fingers to a keyboard, the vast majority of people have the ability to churn out a half-decent post that's worth reading. If negreps were powerful enough that a new user who hasn't lurked the site much before posting gets obliterated in their first few posts down into the depths of red-bar hell, they'd be less likely to adjust their contributions to a more acceptable flavour and more likely to just stop posting entirely.

To add to this, if negreps were as powerful as plusreps, it would be far easier to zergrush singular users with negrep brigades because of the fact that less-established users would have a significant ability to affect rep totals, and this issue would become even more exaggerated by power users. For example, if Jogyn, Agathor and Leetcheese came by and hit me with their rep powers' worth of negreps daily, they could demolish my rep to 0 in very short order. The reason this is a bigger deal than the general trend of circlejerking plusrep comes down to a point I made earlier; disapproval is usually specific and approval is usually general. You think someone is a shitposter because they constantly whine about blobbing, but you think someone else is a good poster because they're clever.

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