Start the War Engines: Branching out to Branch

**Razzor** · 2011-12-20

Yes it's definitely Endie that looks dumb here, please continue.

**Grath** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Hratli Smirks

I genuinely don't know why you are banging on about tengufleets they aren't that great after all

This is exactly true, they do one of two things:

1) The enemy flat out stands down, as they don't want to fight Tengus.

2) The enemy piles on so many faggots that you lose a tengu every time somebodies guns cycle due to sheer alpha, so you lose 15 tengus trying to disengage and go reship to something that doesn't need you to retrain Caladari Engineering Subsystems 5 for the 9th fucking time.

They're starting to be known as the "Fight Killers" for us.

**Agathor** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Securitas

"Basically I'm saying despite all the "WN are shit wolololol" they actually did decent for themselves, in that battle at least"

Whoops. Learn to read and you won't look dumb.

Did somebody hit you in head with a pipe wrench sec?

**Endie** · 2011-12-20

Sec serious question for a second are you butterdog? You share his obsession with us and his somewhat tense and uptight posting style man.

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Hratli Smirks

I genuinely don't know why you are banging on about tengufleets they aren't that great after all

tengu ahac etc, but we both agree that are better than drakes right? RIGHT? , make a drake fleet is not a bad thing if you can switch for something better when you need but when it becomes your normal doctrine yes you have problems, expecial for an alliance for using PSI words : that is leader of drf and created an empire and conquered half galaxy and everybody LOL respect and fear

(he have a distorted perception of wn i think )

i am not a guy who spit shit on the alliance i just left, those are well know problem in wn, condivided by majority, only guy who not see that and refuse to see such problem is PSI, actually only problem of wn, is psi itself, he created a great alliance and i am afraid he is killing that, more and better than 10000x horus can do

**Kitty Vintner** · 2011-12-20

But we can say they're shit because they just lost 2 carriers, 4 freighters, and then a nyx and 3 CSAAs in their primetime, and despite being RUS))) they timed half their shit to come out in US prime.

**Some Market Dude** · 2011-12-20

As much as I hate to admit to Sec being both right and justified, he is both right and justified. It was a pretty shitty showing, and doesn't bode well for the invasion as goon numbers fall and WN numbers rise.

I'm pretty sure it's mostly because maelstroms are shit, as opposed to goons being particularly bad or WN being particularly good, but I'm open to being corrected on that point.

**Grath** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Kitty Vintner

But we can say they're shit because they just lost 2 carriers, 4 freighters, and then a nyx and 3 CSAAs in their primetime

Oh god damn.

**Hratli Smirks** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Night

Holy shit, Hratli lives.

I got a link in Steam with "holy shit hratli you goetta see how bad this post is" and the guy pasted me some of it and I was like "was that RMFHorus?" and he was like "how could you tell?" and I was like "I thought to myself 'who could have written something that abysmal?' and the answer came to me as if in a dream, 'RMFHorus'"

Anyway I was really skeptical about this whole invasion business because WN internal drama aside I figured we'd be slamming ourselves against Russian timers and THAT'S no fun but apparently White Noise agrees with me re: Russian timers and their inherent unfunness

**Marivauder** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Kitty Vintner

But we can say they're shit because they just lost 2 carriers, 4 freighters, and then a nyx and 3 CSAAs in their primetime, and despite being RUS))) they timed half their shit to come out in US prime.

I think this is a morale victory for White Noise.

**Fix Lag** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Grath

Oh god damn.

Yeah that's a pretty accurate statement of the campaign's progression so far

**Venetian Tar** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

long story short :words:

Bull. Shit.

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

also for add something spicy, raiden dont give a fuck regards wn all theyr friendship loyalty was linked to Nync, there is raiden plan for get ridd of wn, and offer branch to initiative, since some time ago, so i not think raiden will help full force wn, unless wn will show a great force for defend itself that will bring raiden to committ in a low risk situation theyr supers together with wn, wich i find improbable since wn situation-numbers. and 70 tengu will change nothing vs 600-1500 cfc coalition fleets

Ndot not like wn becouse psi got the genious idea to reset them, lol nice strategy reset an alliance who live in your strategic route for empire... and they will even give stations to pl-test for strike vale. (good job imho since they own nothing to psi )

wn help legion in hope they will give a hand north, and ra is busy as we all know. so tbh i not see good things in future, maybe reset drf not was a good idea PSi same for alienate neightbours

**holycow** · 2011-12-20

The obvious thing is that WN lost its fighting ability when Nync left alliance. Psixozz and co. can hold N5Y. And nobody will got nynced by WN again.

**Aurora148** · 2011-12-20

fucking werst

you kill atlas for being fat and incapable of fighting, then become exactly the same thing

:boggles:

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by holycow

The obvious thing is that WN lost its fighting ability when Nync left alliance. Psixozz and co. can hold N5Y. And nobody will got nynced by WN again.

Nync was the only reason english corps where in wn, and only guy able to rally in a cta both side at maximum showup, no nync no wn, but he decided to vanish instead step up when all asked him to do that. maybe is linked to the 500b loss of his corp ccp not gived him back (all hangars got stolen/vanished dunno exactly he was always ambiguous regards that )and the strange story of how he have lost his titan borrowed,selled, scammed i really not get the exact story so i am not sure how it happen ,: from a member of wn i think another russian.

Nync is an awesome fc, and everybody was willing to die for him, me included, if he return wn have a chance .

**Jacabon Mere** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

maybe is linked to the 500b loss of his corp ccp not gived him back (all hangars got stolen/vanished dunno exactly he was always ambiguous regards that )and the strange story of how he have lost his titan borrowed,selled, scammed i really not get the exact story so i am not sure how it happen ,: from a member of wn i think another russian.

Ok, up until this point its manageable to understand a basic idea of what your saying. At this point, it is as though you get all excited and wet yourself, yet you continue to try tell us a story. I assume italians use punctuation, we use it in the english language as well.

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Jacabon Mere

Ok, up until this point its manageable to understand a basic idea of what your saying. At this point, it is as though you get all excited and wet yourself, yet you continue to try tell us a story. I assume italians use punctuation, we use it in the english language as well.

he vanished after all of us asked him to step up, and maybe his departure/lose of willing to play eve is linked to the 500b of assets loss + his titans loss, both things happened in a strange, not well explained way, ccp removed it? scam? thief?
Except that was an awesome fc and everybody was rdy to sell theyr soul for follow him even in hell

(and when i say all of us i mean all me endeva chanka and majority of ceo of english corps)

ps: Nync not left wn, he vanished totally, thats why volt omega and others left his corp and joined PL , nobody know what Nync is doing since 3 weeks

**Malaclypse** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Some Market Dude

As much as I hate to admit to Sec being both right and justified, he is both right and justified. It was a pretty shitty showing, and doesn't bode well for the invasion as goon numbers fall and WN numbers rise.

I'm pretty sure it's mostly because maelstroms are shit, as opposed to goons being particularly bad or WN being particularly good, but I'm open to being corrected on that point.

The fight was during west russian prime, while for goons it was noon. So few of them were at work and the unemployed masses not yet awake.

**holycow** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

Nync is an awesome fc, and everybody was willing to die for him, me included, if he return wn have a chance .

NC was evicted by him, not Psixozz or UAxDeath.

**Don Peyote** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

...raiden dont give a fuck regards wn all theyr friendship loyalty was linked to Nync, there is raiden plan for get ridd of wn, and offer branch to initiative

This is probably the single most

thing I have ever read on this forum.

**Some Market Dude** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Malaclypse

The fight was during west russian prime, while for goons it was noon. So few of them were at work and the unemployed masses not yet awake.

That's exactly my point. They only won because of overwhelming numerical superiority, a superiority which will be dropping off as WN and co deploy back and goon enthusiasm fades.

**Malaclypse** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Don Peyote

This is probably the single most

thing I have ever read on this forum.

Then you probably should read more of this forum instead of just posting. :P

**Starbuck** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

tbh when we joined wn i was expecting much more , subcapital fleet was mediocre,same for doctrine,i made everybody in corp own a tengu a machariel a sleipnir as standard and we never got chance to use it in alliance fleet, or yes once, chanka called for an alliance cta command ship format and only 11 command show up 9 from my corp, 60 in fleet, from 250 online than we stop to bring valuable ship since we where the only corp willing to do that. Russian where bringing hurricanes with salvager in instead neutralizer lol.

And many fittings were pretty bad tbh,
(and nobody got balls to say that, i did over and over and loudly and everybody include fc told me nobody can change anything becouse psi was deciding even the doctrine-fittings , it reminded me that scene from the hitler movie, where generals got afraid to told him the truth or even arguing what was obiously retarded)
Fleets where bad compared to ncdot-pl-raiden composition-doctrine , then i suggested to use tengu, , and got refused, becouse was too much for wn, that was better stick with drake fleets lol,supercapital wise was ok , only pl than later raiden-ncdot where able to match that numbers 30-35 ms 15 titan in a good cta. problem is wn stopped to increase sc becouse none of the builded one where going for sell internally, the corp who today lost 3 jf, where building 5 titan every month and selling it outside the alliance, becouse alliance(psi) where supposed to give them 30b for each titan selled in the alliance for 45b. never happened, so wn lost the race for super and it ended in shameful condition where with 25 ms formed up in a pos in hed we let one of our ms die vs 70 pl subcapital in hed, becouse we know that they got more super formed up rdy for come. 6 months ago PL not where able to score a kill like that to wn and exit with impunity.

i just wanted to say, that it's REALLY(serious number of exclamation marks!) hard to get what you are trying to say if the dear reader had a few (or more) drinks.

**Planetary Genocide** · 2011-12-20

I offer to translate Horus's posts from ESL-retarded to semi-passable as best I am able.

For example:

also for add something spicy, raiden dont give a fuck regards wn all theyr friendship loyalty was linked to Nync, there is raiden plan for get ridd of wn, and offer branch to initiative, since some time ago, so i not think raiden will help full force wn, unless wn will show a great force for defend itself that will bring raiden to committ in a low risk situation theyr supers together with wn, wich i find improbable since wn situation-numbers. and 70 tengu will change nothing vs 600-1500 cfc coalition fleets

Ndot not like wn becouse psi got the genious idea to reset them, lol nice strategy reset an alliance who live in your strategic route for empire... and they will even give stations to pl-test for strike vale. (good job imho since they own nothing to psi )

wn help legion in hope they will give a hand north, and ra is busy as we all know. so tbh i not see good things in future, maybe reset drf not was a good idea PSi same for alienate neightbours

"Just to add more fuel to the flames, raiden doesn't actually give a shit about WN, they just liked Nync. There's a Raiden plan to get rid of WN and offer their space to initiative and that plan's existed for a while, so Raiden won't commit everything they have to help WN unless they do it first, cause they're pussies and don't wanna risk supers. Obviously that won't happen because WN is terrible with numbers.

Ndot doesn't like WN cause psi's a moron and reset them, even though they live in their route to empire. That's probably why they gave stations to PL and TEST for the Vale campaign (worthless opinion was here)

WN's only helping Legion because they're hoping Legion will return the favor, RA's busy with their own shit, PSI was a moron for resetting everyone, end post"

**Don Peyote** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Malaclypse

Then you probably should read more of this forum instead of just posting. :P

Excluding some of the shit I read in foreplay haha wow there is some crazy stuff in there and you too can subscribe to foreplay to recieve the latest EVE news, forum dumps and other leaks in advance! click here to find out how...

**poaw** · 2011-12-20

Can people really not understand what Horus is saying or is it some sort of joke that I missed out on?

Originally Posted by Securitas

This completely true if you don't have an extra 22 billion of Nyx/towers tilting the BR.

Basically I'm saying despite all the "WN are shit wolololol" they actually did decent for themselves, in that battle at least.

Pretty sure they still have to pay for that extra 22 billion worth of shit.

**Planetary Genocide** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Starbuck

i just wanted to say, that it's REALLY(serious number of exclamation marks!) hard to get what you are trying to say if the dear reader had a few (or more) drinks.

"When I joined White Noise I was expecting a little bit better, their subcap fleet composition and doctrine were terrible. I made everyone in my corp buy a tengu, mach, sleip for standard and we never got to use them in alliance fleets except once, when chanka called for a Command Ship CTA and in a fleet of 60, 11 command ships showed up and 9 were from my corp. That's when we stopped bringing expensive shit cause nobody else did, there were Russians bringing in salvager-fit canes and stuff.

They were also terrible at fitting and I'm the only one with the internet balls to say that, but apparently nobody could change anything because psi was deciding everything and hadn't finished yet. Fleets were bad, and when I suggested tengus I was told that we were too poor and that WN would stick with drake fleets. Used to be ok in Supercap counts, only PL and Raiden/NC. could match our :numbers went here:, but we started falling behind cause all the supers we were building were sold externally, psi screwed us, etc etc."

edit: I'm actually really really bored otherwise i would be doing something else, but instead I"m here.

**Hilmar Keller** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

tengu ahac etc, but we both agree that are better than drakes right? RIGHT?

Here's where I stopped reading your posts.

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Planetary Genocide

I offer to translate Horus's posts from ESL-retarded to semi-passable as best I am able.

For example:

"Just to add more fuel to the flames, raiden doesn't actually give a shit about WN, they just liked Nync. There's a Raiden plan to get rid of WN and offer their space to initiative and that plan's existed for a while, so Raiden won't commit everything they have to help WN unless they do it first, cause they're pussies and don't wanna risk supers. Obviously that won't happen because WN is terrible with numbers.

Ndot doesn't like WN cause psi's a moron and reset them, even though they live in their route to empire. That's probably why they gave stations to PL and TEST for the Vale campaign (worthless opinion was here)

WN's only helping Legion because they're hoping Legion will return the favor, RA's busy with their own shit, PSI was a moron for resetting everyone, end post"

and i appreciate the effort :O

fact is when we tryed to make bn, we of course ask raiden to support us, they first say yes, than no, so bn not where a possibility, nobody like goons in wn so consider to go on theyr side not was an option.

when we indagate further of why raiden not where willing to support bn, we discovered 3 main things
1) they not know endeva and they not like me
2) they where up for bn only if nync where in
3) they where going to exploit that situation for stop supporting wn /or bn, and install in initiative, thing supported by multiple talk with multiple ppl in wn who know many raiden in real life. so 100% sure about that.

thats why bn not started and ppl started to pussy out and re-negotiate with psi

**Malaclypse** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Some Market Dude

That's exactly my point. They only won because of overwhelming numerical superiority, a superiority which will be dropping off as WN and co deploy back and goon enthusiasm fades.

I'm not arguing your theorem per se, but as long as Goons+co can maintain that numerical superiority even outside of their prime and WN keeps on fucking up the stront timers, WN's best hope seems to pray for not being killed fast enough.

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by poaw

Can people really not understand what Horus is saying or is it some sort of joke that I missed out on?

Pretty sure they still have to pay for that extra 22 billion worth of shit.

is a sort of jocke mixed with my bad english writing skill, i am pretending to not get it

**Planetary Genocide** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

is a sort of jocke mixed with my bad english writing skill, i am pretending to not get it

"Part joke, part me being shit at English"

Anyways, back on topic, how many CSAA's have fallen so far (And how many of them were just "building parts"?), and how many are left?

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Planetary Genocide

"Part joke, part me being shit at English"

Anyways, back on topic, how many CSAA's have fallen so far (And how many of them were just "building parts"?), and how many are left?

from what i know from friends in wn, 2 blowed down, 1 was empty other got in a nyx, both from russian corp not helljumpers as someone have say, another 5 into reinforce and i know there is at list another 12-15 around branch untouched.

around 10 moons of tech reinforced, i now also about a titan in build dunno if is under reinforce or not

**Planetary Genocide** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

from what i know from friends in wn, 2 blowed down, 1 nothing on build in 1 a nyx, both from russian corp not helljumpers as someone have say, another 5 into reinforce, and i know there is at list another 12-15 around branch untouched.

around 10 moons of tech reinforced, i now also about a titan in build dunno if is under reinforce or not

Cool. I'm going to just lurk the thread now with some popcorn.

**Horus** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Planetary Genocide

"Part joke, part me being shit at English"

Anyways, back on topic, how many CSAA's have fallen so far (And how many of them were just "building parts"?), and how many are left?

so is part me being shit at english part me giving you material for keep the game forward , i am doing it correctly?

**Venetian Tar** · 2011-12-20

Originally Posted by Horus

1 was empty other got in a nyx

I remember calling this in the thread before.

I look forward to the day that CCP shows what you had in build, like they do with implants now.

**Fix Lag** · 2011-12-21

How 'bout giving us maps, dates, and production info for all of White Noise?

Seriously. I would +rep you like mad if you did that and I would be more than willing to overlook your tenuous grasp on the English language.

**Some Market Dude** · 2011-12-21

Originally Posted by Malaclypse

I'm not arguing your theorem per se, but as long as Goons+co can maintain that numerical superiority even outside of their prime and WN keeps on fucking up the stront timers, WN's best hope seems to pray for not being killed fast enough.

Cool cool. I'm far from doom-crying here, just saying it doesn't bode well if they start to lose momentum/initiative. I'm sure they have every intention of hammering this home before RUS tz numbers move towards parity.

**Fisty** · 2011-12-21

As an amateur spymaster myself, I think I need to bring something to kugu.

This is a 22 minute director leak for the next few days of actions.

**Don Peyote** · 2011-12-21

Venetian Tar while you're bringing back old avatars can you find the muffin man one again?

**Horus** · 2011-12-21

Originally Posted by Fix Lag

How 'bout giving us maps, dates, and production info for all of White Noise?

Seriously. I would +rep you like mad if you did that and I would be more than willing to overlook your tenuous grasp on the English language.

you can ask your diplo to contact me and get that for a certain amount of isk, but you know i have friend in wn so i am not inclined to sell them out,even if they not acted completely good towards me, first asking me to help than backpedaling when things not worked as they expected, btw i n not joined wn with that purpose and trust me i know where all corp have stuff in build and what is. but i am not going to sell them out. if was only russian yes even for free psi deserve that an even worst.
so not this time buddy. when english corps will leave i will gladly give all, but at that point i think such info will not be anymore necessary

but i can tell you how get branch in 1 day, contact english corps ask them to form an alliance and make them keep branch, they will gladly do that, for keeping theyr current space-moons and get ridd off russians.

**Planetary Genocide** · 2011-12-21

Originally Posted by Horus

you can ask your diplo to contact me and get that for a certain amount of isk, but you know i have friend in wn so i am not inclined to sell them out,even if they not acted completely good towards me, first asking me to help than backpedaling when things not worked as they expected, btw i n not joined wn with that purpose and trust me i know where all corp have stuff in build and what is. but i am not going to sell them out. if was only russian yes even for free psi deserve that an even worst.
so not this time buddy.

translation is basically no unless you only ask about russians

**Horus** · 2011-12-21

Originally Posted by Planetary Genocide

translation is basically no unless you only ask about russians

hey buddy how much i am supposed to pay you for this full time job? i need your in game char :O

i would like to write down the entire history of this 3 weeks of wn-bn but with my english skill it will end up in a troll pit

**Malaclypse** · 2011-12-21

Originally Posted by Some Market Dude

Cool cool. I'm far from doom-crying here, just saying it doesn't bode well if they start to lose momentum/initiative. I'm sure they have every intention of hammering this home before RUS tz numbers move towards parity.

You are of course correct, but that's I think almost universally true. Motivation wins wars in Eve; certainly outnumbering your enemy in their time however isn't an indicator to be worried about from Goons' pov. A smug dbrb seems to be the bigger danger here.

**Planetary Genocide** · 2011-12-21

Originally Posted by Horus

hey buddy how much i am supposed to pay you for this full time job? i need your in game char :O

i would like to write down the entire history of this 3 weeks of wn-bn but with my english skill it will end up in a troll pit

Full time job my ass, i'm just bored.

If you want me to translate something for you then my in game character name is the same as my kugu name and feel free to send any amount above 100mil along with the post in an evemail :P

edit; the more you pay me the more effort i'll put in

**Kitty Vintner** · 2011-12-21

Originally Posted by Malaclypse

You are of course correct, but that's I think almost universally true. Motivation wins wars in Eve; certainly outnumbering your enemy in their time however isn't an indicator to be worried about from Goons' pov. A smug dbrb seems to be the bigger danger here.

Don't worry, boat will welp an entire alphafleet to WN bombers let's say... Thursday.