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    Quote Originally Posted by INtarKll View Post
    you, nync and friends ran like a cowards as soon as you knew the goon invasion was happening. you didn't even bother trying. left asap. so what you say doesn't really mean much, no need to get mad at him for pointing that out.
    More like rats on a sinking ship. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Ab_Origines

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    actually they not even showed up for hed, also nync got scammed of his titan, he borrowed or sold that to another guy in alliance and he lost it? not gived it back something like that , not really got what happened, volt english is worst than mine, but long story short nync losed the titan.

    plus ab origines got removed from ccp 500b of assets, dunno for what reasons etc.

    Funny becouse while volt was convincing english corp to remain defend hed, russian removed all theyr assets-super since a week :O leaving other behind telling them not to go branch

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    Horus is a true hero. Always the rebel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolol View Post
    Horus is a true hero. Always the rebel...
    I think that the time has come for this thread to descend to my level!



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    Quote Originally Posted by lolol View Post
    Horus is a true hero. Always the rebel...

    someone must be., but you know in the alliance where i play and not spy, i like that things are fair, expecial since i have a corp with me to protect, i now that by joining a russian alliance there where no chance to gain leadership positions or similar, but wn was supposed a strong leaded alliance not a total mess up by a retard guy who yell I AM LEADER OF DRF after he disbanded it and after months he not show up, I KNOW EVERYTHING i have friend in ccp who told me secret stuff i cant reveal you or we lose our advantage :so return all in HED, oh and yes trust me i will fix all. (not inclined to give anything of what his fake-diplo volt where promising to the corps he was recruiting)

    btw i hope omeega can enlight us of this 500b of assets ab origin got removed (story confirmed by both nync and volt in command chan of wn ) and the nync titan story, or all of this followed omeega in PL? :O i will not be sourprised at all.

    for sure Wn have soo many "strange" things like corps who not show in cta, but titans and sell them outside alliance, but psi wanna hold them,120b alliance wallet when alliance make 400b+/month (and give '0 reimburse-supercap to the members) of course someone will say isk is all in psi wallet, but thats also one of the reasons becouse no isk exit from that wallet :O

    actually i see no reason for a corp to stay in wn under such retardness, yeah maybe for someone omfg 2 technetium is a big reason for swallow all that shit, but since i own more money than raiden+pl+wn combined, for me is not enought for be the "psi bitch" but seams i am the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    And securitas still thinks you're CFC.
    Somebody hasn't seen a true goonswarm fakepost then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horus View Post
    i like that things are fair
    You might be playing the wrong game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horus View Post
    i will not be sourprised at all.
    I knew, one day, your terrible grammar and spelling would result in a fantastic addition to the English language.

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    quite simple, WN leadership doesnt want a ship replacement program cuz they need the 20-50b a month to rmt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller View Post
    You might be playing the wrong game.
    maybe, also the world is unfair, but we not all try to make it better? o right i dont, is that i like promoting chaos and that thing give me a cheap excuse. or maybe i am just a big faggot who in truth believe in meritocracy, but if eve was a meritocracy a guy like me should not have all the power i have. i am kinda confused now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post
    quite simple, WN leadership doesnt want a ship replacement program cuz they need the 20-50b a month to rmt!
    counterpoint the have it but only for russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I knew, one day, your terrible grammar and spelling would result in a fantastic addition to the English language.

    Golf clap, good sir, golf clap.
    counterpoint, i wish i give a fuck, really is 7 years people try to troll me about that, i am still here, you really think that is working?

    focus on the concept not on the grammar, if you can speak enought good in a foreign language as i do in english i will be sourprisED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horus View Post
    maybe, also the world is unfair, but we not all try to make it better? o right i dont, is that i like promoting chaos and that thing give me a cheap excuse. or maybe i am just a big faggot who in truth believe in meritocracy, but if eve was a meritocracy a guy like me should not have all the power i have. i am kinda confused now.
    And thats the part that generates all the butthurt comments about grammar and spelling. It is excellent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horus View Post
    maybe, also the world is unfair, but we not all try to make it better? o right i dont, is that i like promoting chaos and that thing give me a cheap excuse. or maybe i am just a big faggot who in truth believe in meritocracy, but if eve was a meritocracy a guy like me should not have all the power i have. i am kinda confused now.
    Or maybe this is a game and part of winning is knowing 1) the rules and 2) that morality can fuck itself.

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    i can't really understand his posts but he's bleating about how alliances should be democratic so i'm just going to negrep and move on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horus View Post
    counterpoint, i wish i give a fuck, really is 7 years people try to troll me about that, i am still here, you really think that is working?

    focus on the concept not on the grammar, if you can speak enought good in a foreign language as i do in english i will be sourprisED
    On your behalf, I've taken the liberty to submit sourprised to UrbanDictionary.com

    Sourprised [verb]:

    An emotion qualified by portraying a sour disposition when one is in fact quite surprised. Often this expression is used to express a disingenous expression to conceal ones true emotion. When Clint Eastwood is startled, he does not appear surprised - he is thus sourprised because he maintains a sour gruff exterior.

    Example:

    Buddy #1: "Oh man, you were almost hit by a bus!"
    Buddy #2: "I saw it coming. :|"
    Buddy #1: "You seem sourprised."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    Often this expression is used to express a disingenous expression to conceal ones true emotion.
    Am am perennially amazed at the human ability to express expressions.

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    Horus just doesn't get it. All of those terrible English corps that joined WN are worthless cowards. We all know that. They have no loyalty to the alliance ticker and will run for greener pastures at the first sight of any real danger. Those corps are not the types to stick it out in Venal if everything goes to shit and then make a comeback. So why would you value them or make concessions to them is beyond me. If CFC campaign is successful I fully expect WN will soon be left with their Russian core + 1 or 2 english speaking corps. The fact that Psihozz actually made a deal with those dipshits is kinda sad. WN used to be a PVP hungry alliance with quality, not quantity, but then they bloated to hell.

    To prove my point, I'll give you one example from EVE. Take a look at AAA history. When DRF formed and PL was assfucking Atlas, eventually rolling down South with super blob, all of the non-Russian corps were abandoning ship as fast as they could. Havoc, BDCI, Rionnag Alba, PPN United, Outbreak, Reaper Industries, the list goes on. The Russian core corps stayed though and toughed it out. Now they recruited more terrible Morsus Mihi corps, ex IT corps, some Atlas dudes, whatever. When AAA's position really degrades into unbelievable level of shit, those people will run for the hills as well, the cycle continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    ~words^
    Rebuttal:


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsthejoke View Post
    How is that a rebuttal? I think you are reinforcing my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    To prove my point, I'll give you one example from EVE. Take a look at AAA history. When DRF formed and PL was assfucking Atlas, eventually rolling down South with super blob, all of the non-Russian corps were abandoning ship as fast as they could. Havoc, BDCI, Rionnag Alba, PPN United, Outbreak, Reaper Industries, the list goes on. The Russian core corps stayed though and toughed it out. Now they recruited more terrible Morsus Mihi corps, ex IT corps, some Atlas dudes, whatever. When AAA's position really degrades into unbelievable level of shit, those people will run for the hills as well, the cycle continues.
    If you are going to make serious posts and make such comparisons, don't use a shit example like -A-. By the time R A left -A-, there was no core of the alliance, (let alone a Russian core, most of them were AFK and RTSQ was doing corp stuff), just a rotten divisive leadership group, of which most did not even bother to regularly log in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdem View Post
    If you are going to make serious posts and make such comparisons, don't use a shit example like -A-. By the time R A left -A-, there was no core of the alliance, (let alone a Russian core, most of them were AFK and RTSQ was doing corp stuff), just a rotten divisive leadership group, of which most did not even bother to regularly log in.
    Well some poor ex AAA derp got mad. OP success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    Well some poor ex AAA derp got mad. OP success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    How is that a rebuttal? I think you are reinforcing my point.
    I don't think the timeline fits your narrative. I'm arguing that WN went to shit as soon as COL joined, while -A- got better and started raping RA + pets immediately after COL left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsthejoke View Post
    I don't think the timeline fits your narrative. I'm arguing that WN went to shit as soon as COL joined, while -A- got better and started raping RA + pets immediately after COL left.
    -a- didn't get beter, They managed to get their nap going again and throwing the kitchen sink around.

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    WN is shit cuz they got greedy with tech and went from being pure pvp to sov holding empire. and in a sov holding empire corps recruit and dont stay lean. So you attract those people that arnt pvp 24/7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horus View Post
    actually i see no reason for a corp to stay in wn under such retardness, yeah maybe for someone omfg 2 technetium is a big reason for swallow all that shit, but since i own more money than raiden+pl+wn combined, for me is not enought for be the "psi bitch" but seams i am the only one.
    Me too, or I did....But I spent it all on a plot of land on the moon, and a ticket on the first public space shuttle!!.....

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    Btw a little Solar vs LOD update. After the big LOD push with 400 allies coming to support them, they managed to online SBUs in a dozen Solar systems. They also saved their HQ in 1a8. Although I think it was only coming out of shield reinforced, so it wasn't in serious danger. The next day however, things returned to normal. Solar took over the third LOD station in Outer Passage, GA58-7. They also killed several SBUs in their own systems. After the clean up they went to reinforce 1a8 again with dreads and maels. LOD responded with titan drive-bys and shot down 2 dreads. They also made a somewhat successful bombing run, but lost their bombers in the process. http://solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=942526

    There are rumors that Gypsy Band, a Curse based Russian alliance, has relocated closer to the region and might assist Solar. I don't have solid info if they have standings or docking rights. Gypsy Band is renamed Rebellion alliance, a former Goon and NC ally. They used to live in Geminate, until they were disbanded by Daroh, who later joined PL. He dropped all sov suddenly, potentially via a secret deal between him and UAxDeath with some RMTing involved to give DRF a beachhead to start NC invasion. The sudden Sov drop left a lot of Rebellion/Gypsy's assets locked in the stations now controlled by Solar, so they might also be interested in getting their shit out.

    IRC is rumored to reset their standings with LOD after they called in a mass of allies to counter Solar. IRC might be joining Solar in the future ops as well. With several critical HQ stations coming out, we have a pretty interesting week ahead of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    IRC has reset their standings with LOD after they called in a mass of allies to counter Solar. IRC might be joining Solar in the future ops as well. With several critical HQ stations coming out, we have a pretty interesting week ahead of us.
    IRC has said multiple times that they're not getting involved unless it turns into a dog pile on Solar. (which it hasn't, contrary to your beliefs) They are still blue to Solar and both xXdeathXx's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    IRC has said multiple times that they're not getting involved unless it turns into a dog pile on Solar. (which it hasn't, contrary to your beliefs) They are still blue to Solar and both xXdeathXx's.
    Lol, it was 650 LOD + Allies vs 200 Solar the other day. If that's not a dogpile, then I really don't know what is. Granted 150 of those allies were White Noise and some were Goons, Gent Agreement, CO2 and other CFC dudes. So all of those people are busy elsewhere nowadays If IRC is really still blue to them, I stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    Btw a little Solar vs LOD update. After the big LOD push with 400 allies coming to support them, they managed to online SBUs in a dozen Solar systems. They also saved their HQ in 1a8. Although I think it was only coming out of shield reinforced, so it wasn't in serious danger. The next day however, things returned to normal. Solar took over the third LOD station in Outer Passage, GA58-7. They also killed several SBUs in their own systems. After the clean up they went to reinforce 1a8 again with dreads and maels. LOD responded with titan drive-bys and shot down 2 dreads. They also made a somewhat successful bombing run, but lost their bombers in the process. http://solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=942526

    There are rumors that Gypsy Band, a Curse based Russian alliance, has relocated closer to the region and might assist Solar. I don't have solid info if they have standings or docking rights. Gypsy Band is renamed Rebellion alliance, a former Goon and NC ally. They used to live in Geminate, until they were disbanded by Daroh, who later joined PL. He dropped all sov suddenly, potentially via a secret deal between him and UAxDeath with some RMTing involved to give DRF a beachhead to start NC invasion. The sudden Sov drop left a lot of Rebellion/Gypsy's assets locked in the stations now controlled by Solar, so they might also be interested in getting their shit out.

    IRC is rumored to reset their standings with LOD after they called in a mass of allies to counter Solar. IRC might be joining Solar in the future ops as well. With several critical HQ stations coming out, we have a pretty interesting week ahead of us.
    Thanks for the commentary.

    One question though: could you show some evidence of that "400 allies"/"mass of allies" that you keep mentioning? I mean some 'related' link or something? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horus View Post
    counterpoint, i wish i give a fuck, really is 7 years people try to troll me about that, i am still here, you really think that is working?
    you do an excellent job convincing us you are, in fact, not mad by making this a triple post
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post
    i can't really understand his posts but he's bleating about how alliances should be democratic so i'm just going to negrep and move on
    Does anyone ever know what he's going on about?

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    did solar take the 2 stations that Legion dropped or did LOD drop them for solar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    Btw a little Solar vs LOD update. After the big LOD push with 400 allies coming to support them, they managed to online SBUs in a dozen Solar systems. They also saved their HQ in 1a8. Although I think it was only coming out of shield reinforced, so it wasn't in serious danger. The next day however, things returned to normal. Solar took over the third LOD station in Outer Passage, GA58-7. They also killed several SBUs in their own systems. After the clean up they went to reinforce 1a8 again with dreads and maels. LOD responded with titan drive-bys and shot down 2 dreads. They also made a somewhat successful bombing run, but lost their bombers in the process. http://solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=942526

    There are rumors that Gypsy Band, a Curse based Russian alliance, has relocated closer to the region and might assist Solar. I don't have solid info if they have standings or docking rights. Gypsy Band is renamed Rebellion alliance, a former Goon and NC ally. They used to live in Geminate, until they were disbanded by Daroh, who later joined PL. He dropped all sov suddenly, potentially via a secret deal between him and UAxDeath with some RMTing involved to give DRF a beachhead to start NC invasion. The sudden Sov drop left a lot of Rebellion/Gypsy's assets locked in the stations now controlled by Solar, so they might also be interested in getting their shit out.

    IRC is rumored to reset their standings with LOD after they called in a mass of allies to counter Solar. IRC might be joining Solar in the future ops as well. With several critical HQ stations coming out, we have a pretty interesting week ahead of us.
    I am glad that someone has stated the facts on the ground.

    Also heard a rumour be it that, other middle size alliances who have fought Solar and Allies may assist in some other ways, if? LOD ask for continual call in their markers.

    Solar are leaner and meaner and have respect from foes than Pay Cheque LOD imao.

    GoGo Solar raise LOD to their knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afr1can View Post
    I am glad that someone has stated the facts on the ground.

    Also heard a rumour be it that, other middle size alliances who have fought Solar and Allies may assist in some other ways, if? LOD ask for continual call in their markers.

    Solar are leaner and meaner and have respect from foes than Pay Cheque LOD imao.

    GoGo Solar raise LOD to their knees.
    What position were they in prior to being "raised to their knees?"

    I mean, knocked onto their ass and facefucked? Totally legit thing to have happen. But raised to their knees? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE SIR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeon221 View Post
    What position were they in prior to being "raised to their knees?"

    I mean, knocked onto their ass and facefucked? Totally legit thing to have happen. But raised to their knees? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE SIR!
    Maybe he means that you get a better angle of penetration for the assfucking you're giving them by putting them on their knees, instead of their stomach?

    Edit: Holy christ, how'd I write that abortion of a sentence?

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    http://solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=942757 Business as usual, updates later. The hired elite PVP FCs of Gorgon Empire are not bringing dividends just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    If IRC is really still blue to them, I stand corrected.
    To confirm, standings between LOD and IRC have not been changed. The situation remains rather volatile. I don't see how an escalation of the conflict will benefit anyone involved, nor does IRC I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    http://solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=942757 Business as usual, updates later. The hired elite PVP FCs of Gorgon Empire are not bringing dividends just yet.
    What I don't get is why Legion are flying artypests against Maels. If both parties are bringing alpha fleet, Maels>Pests in EVERY SCENARIO; you have the same range, more EHP, more alpha, and speed/agility doesn't really matter.
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    Reload faster too, so more volleys in less time. Only reason to use Pests is cost, and it's not like Death is cashstrapped :

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    Well at least 2009 finally hit LOD and they're actually using a fleet doctrine now.


    Don't get why anyone supports xdeath. He's a scrublord who leads a terrible scrub alliance that has never done anything in this game aside from buying for alliances the coat tail he latches onto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Securitas View Post
    What I don't get is why Legion are flying artypests against Maels. If both parties are bringing alpha fleet, Maels>Pests in EVERY SCENARIO; you have the same range, more EHP, more alpha, and speed/agility doesn't really matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Securitas View Post
    What I don't get is why Legion are flying artypests against Maels. If both parties are bringing alpha fleet, Maels>Pests in EVERY SCENARIO; you have the same range, more EHP, more alpha, and speed/agility doesn't really matter.
    Well... If only you saw some LOD forum pr0n on their amazing strategies, you wouldn't ask silly questions like this.... This was posted after they got facefucked by Solar in the first stages of the war. I'm too lazy to translate all of this retarded drivel.


    Highlights:
    1) Create separate (lol!) fleets of of dictors, logistics, battleships, cheap drake fleet, bombers that operate independently of each other.
    2) Each fleet has its own FC, that communicates to the main FC through command channel. Example: Main FC orders to bubble someone to dictor FC, dictor FC completes the order!
    3) Grunts in separate fleets shouldn't have any info on what is going on with other fleets, to prevent spying.
    4) Remove all voice commands from TS and just use broadcasts, while using TS to tell funny stories about bears and vodka during a fleet fight.
    5) Drakes with scramblers and jamming light drones, that work in close range and sniper modes.
    6) Sniper mode drake pilot: press Keep at Range at 50km on the enemy and shoot! (I'm not kidding)
    7) Close range mode: drake scrambles and orbits at 1km.
    8) Fitting a shield tanked Tempest, which is superior to Mael due to scan resolution, agility, lower cost and better range.

    There are many more gaffs there, but it's a massive text of unbelievable level of stupid, so fuck it. I hope I answered your question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Peyote View Post
    Reload faster too, so more volleys in less time. Only reason to use Pests is cost, and it's not like Death is cashstrapped :
    Actually the tempest gets a double damage bonus - 5% reload and 5% damage, and the Maelstrom gets 5% reload as well. So they reload at the same speed (though oftentimes you can fit an extra tracking/damage mod on a pest, but not enough to make a difference in 200+man fleets).
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    Incoming internal LOD drama soon. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/9IZ-HU/kills did not go over well with everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzilka View Post
    Well... If only you saw some LOD forum pr0n on their amazing strategies, you wouldn't ask silly questions like this.... This was posted after they got facefucked by Solar in the first stages of the war. I'm too lazy to translate all of this retarded drivel.


    Highlights:
    1) Create separate (lol!) fleets of of dictors, logistics, battleships, cheap drake fleet, bombers that operate independently of each other.
    2) Each fleet has its own FC, that communicates to the main FC through command channel. Example: Main FC orders to bubble someone to dictor FC, dictor FC completes the order!
    3) Grunts in separate fleets shouldn't have any info on what is going on with other fleets, to prevent spying.
    4) Remove all voice commands from TS and just use broadcasts, while using TS to tell funny stories about bears and vodka during a fleet fight.
    5) Drakes with scramblers and jamming light drones, that work in close range and sniper modes.
    6) Sniper mode drake pilot: press Keep at Range at 50km on the enemy and shoot! (I'm not kidding)
    7) Close range mode: drake scrambles and orbits at 1km.
    8) Fitting a shield tanked Tempest, which is superior to Mael due to scan resolution, agility, lower cost and better range.

    There are many more gaffs there, but it's a massive text of unbelievable level of stupid, so fuck it. I hope I answered your question

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    The rest is pretty stupid, but if done properly the multi fc tactic works insanely well. It's just really hard to pull off and really easy to fuck up. I've only ever seen 1 fc team pull it off consistently and that was lead by Ballistic Void.

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    http://killboard.solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=942757

    Solar had a veritable shitload of timers coming out following the massive LOD+BUTTPALS 650 man blobs rampage through Solar botlands. That blob consisted mostly of the now-'disbanded' DRF, which ganged up on the NC in the name of ending blob warfare Oh, and Goons who like to dress up and pretend they actually pay back space-debts.


    So SF formed up and waited in 9IZ for the inevitable shit-fit drake fleet , with info that LOD had 30+ supers.


    Unexpectedly, the Legion(+friends) somehow managed to grow a pair of temporary balls and, outnumbering the enemy 3 to 2, decided to do something really stupid like jump in.


    Expectedly, they were quickly brought back to reality and reminded that they are, in fact, still bad at this game.


    Worth noting is that LOD has hired three alliances that strongly believe themselves to be elite to help the Legion be less shit. They are the Gorgon Empire, Gentlemen's Agreement, and one more which is presumably equally full of itself.


    So far they've had a tremendous impact, at least on the Legion's wallet and the credibility of mercenaries in Eve.


    After the "fight" Solar then went ahead and killed TCU's in two Legion systems, killed about a dozen Legion SBU's and repped so many structures it would put a minecraft autist to shame.

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