Think about how much gold weighs.Originally Posted by Elise Randolph
Scrooge McDuck is built like a fucking tank to swim through it.
Think about how much gold weighs.
Scrooge McDuck is built like a fucking tank to swim through it.
Every rifter counts friend
Hahah if only, then I'd have my titan.
let me tell you about bridging a super-cap killing fleet from a safespot
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
I know you regret that bro.
Just imagine if it was Herc's titan, you'd die happy I think.
Oh, so your alliance members' financial hardships are all a big joke to you?
Only the team of independent auditors can confirm what is really going on behind the curtain in nulli with the rank and file's hard earned taxes.
I definitely wouldn't be making light of this if I were you; the auditors should be contacting you any time now to request your books.
:brofist:
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
They go to funding progod's legions, which he then looses to either CONCORD or incursion gate rats depending on his mood.
I'm sure Nulli have some decently profitable moons as well, but that takes a bit more effort than a quick look at Dotlan and some napkin math, so I cbf.
Was gonna ask how much isk is an ounce of gold but ill just PM omeega instead
Occupy Period Basis
Where's the money, Nulli?
Big ups to Manny and penis crew yo, i was told you play RO2. We will be in touch
also funny story is MM/Brick stopped using PR- gate from 1DH almost entirely due to the boogeyman PL
No one fucking told me that incursion gate camps could insta-tackle, thats the stupidest fucking game mechanic I've ever seen.
yeah i don't even know what's going on with this anymore i'm going to back away slowlyMittani says "you can incentivise fleet doctrines with reimbursements". You reply with "To do that you need tech!". Mittani replies with "You need tech to do stuff like peacetime reimbursement (which includes solo roaming bullshit) but you can reimburse strategic ops just fine without tech", and your response is "But I can't reimburse solo roaming bullshit without tech!"?
[twitter]themittani[/twitter]
Let us shit posters play in our thread, we are having fun throwing feces at each other.
Think of it as trying to bust past instacanes that aren't made of paper
Fuck Nulli, BURNES needs an aid flotilla.
But more to the point, when people talk about alliance reimbursement, I understand that most any competent alliance can do this. Hell, I was in an incompetent alliance and we still managed a halfway decent reimbursement program.
Still, it only could go so far. We were able to replace one seriously welped fleet. Perhaps others here are able to do two or three, but I doubt that most alliances can replace 300-400 maelstroms and still whistle a happy tune.
[IMG]http://www.kugutsumen.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=4761&dateline=1305299590[/IMG]
look at PL coming to delve to try to stay relevant
Nice shobon there m8 m8 m8.look at PL coming to delve to try to stay relevant
Also which alliance are you from again?
Ceterum censeo -A- esse delendam
[QUOTE=Don Peyote;435913]velonad is p good h ats
i mnea i love you more an yevrerying but velongad is the hnowreigan of my heart always
happy nwe yar[/QUOTE]
He's red, so MM/brick?Also which alliance are you from again?
Hey can any ex-alliance leaders explain exactly where the fuck all the ISK goes? Like, are they stealing all of it, or are they not using wallet alts or w/e and buying 100bn CN BCS in Jita by accident or maybe going into a "Supercap fund" that inevitably ends up being some disgruntled director's retirement fund?
the 1%
Hookers and blow.
That made absolutely no sense.
Translation: I'm mad you're mad we're all mad mad mad mad mad mad
Thank you for understanding.
As a former executor since about a week ago, I can give you a quick run down of Nulli's finances for the most part. All these numbers are from September's spread sheet and prices.
Nulli pulls in 7.920 bil from its neo moons (50% tax on corps running them), 7.16 bil from member taxes (6 mil per member), and 500 mil from miscellaneous stuff like refinery taxes or other station things, as well as a few cheaply taxed dysprosium moons. We discount around 3 billion isk total to the various corps running what we deem "sov towers", such as JB towers or cynojammer towers, and have 7.2 billion isk in sov cost. Every now and then after a large fight, I'll collect all the loot from the ships we killed and sell it in Jita, which will net us another 1-2 bil per fight occasionally, but those fights are not very often.
Generally we have around 6 bil profit every month depending on the moons prices that month, and the member count. With that isk, we pay for command ships, t3's and other necessary lynch pin ships that we must have to make our fleet comps work, which cost a little bit more than one would think, and the rest is saved for sov warfare. For instance, we spent about 20 billion isk fighting MM/brick for 2 months on TCU's/SBU's/ihub's and towers, which is obviously more than we pull in a month.
Now it's quite obvious that most of the isk is left to the corps, and with it most of our corps run a pretty good ship replacement program for their members, but even they run out of isk. I know this conversation will go back to some previous points said earlier, so I'll just reference what burnes said as right:
Most alliances could afford some kind of all encompassing ship replacement program for proper ships for a little bit, and some alliances even for a little while, but in a large sov engagement, a couple of whelps could literally whipe out the entire wallet. Its generally better to have your members used to supporting themselves, and the corps left with the decision of who to give isk to As much as I hate not having an alliance srp program for anything but logistics and dictors, corps can more easily make the distinction of which poor people need the isk, and who can handle their own reimbursements.
A great example is TEST alliance, who had a full SRP when their income was around 100 billion isk about 8 months ago, and I can personally remember a few fights in quick succession that cost them nearly 30 bil isk in replacements that took them a few weeks to process through. Had that been an actual war with them losing that amount of maelstroms every 2 or 3 days, they couldn't have supported it, even with 100+bil isk in income, for more than a few weeks. That doesn't even consider the back log of reimbursements hurting the pilots who have become fully reliant on it.
Because we do our finances the way we do, we have generally been able to have our corps focus on other investments, such as supercaps. So for all the people out their wondering where all the isk goes, unless your alliance has a huge renter empire, or all of your moons go 100% to the alliance, there generally isn't that much isk going towards the alliance wallet. Most of the southern alliances reinvest any renter income into super caps anyway, in an attempt to catch up to the DRF. I know with our meager income we still manage to subsidize a few supercaps at times.
It´s not unheard of that leaders use alliance wallets quite freely. Don´t know bout facts or have any proof but there used to be a lot of wild stories circling around concerning many of the former NC alliances. Personal tech moons and shit like that.. Ah the tech pops up once again
But speaking of small alliances and reimbursements.. We don´t do them in full scale, we may cover some expenses but paying for someone for loosing a ship doesn´t sound like a good way to reward your members performance in battlefield. I get the supply the army perspective, so we provide tools of the trade to members. Reimbursement seems to be a very big deal to grunt so I gotta admit we do cover some of the costs.
I don´t know if this is right thread to speak about alliance structures and finances.. Theres some threads in serious discussion about this subject.
Nothing really significant going on recently, its only a matter of time before we start discussing sov warfare and super caps or incarna.
Depends heavily on how you do that. If it's any losses, then I agree. If it's mainstream ships with cookiecutter fits, designed to get them back in the fight as soon as possible, then it gets muddier, because most of the time the loss is partially the pilot's fault (didn't align, didn't warp, didn't micromanage the cap so he could MWD out, etc) and partially the FC's fault, and I think it's better to actually get the pilots back in the right ship as soon as possible and hope they (or the FC) learned their lesson and do things slightly differently the next time.
I know I kept thinking of a single thing that I did wrong every time I lost a ship back when I started out in 0.0, and I tried to avoid making that mistake again.
You shut your dirty whore mouth.
I agree that for a basic grunt shipreplacement is very important, and the SRP has been one of the topics that has been discussed far and wide in our alliance. We would do a full all inclusive replacement program if we found some magical pot of gold at the end of rainbow, but now we gotta make do with what we have. That only leaves us with partial imbursements. Even sov costs are quite big isk sink for a small alliance (i´m sure that goons are happy to free us from the shackles of sov).
Seems EVE fleet math logic now aplies to financial discussion too? (Local count = enemy fleet count. them + all friends past and future = blobing coalition, we = few heroes gang, only proper ships count etc)
Oh these system generating X isk per hour, and ratting and alliance funds assumptions
tl;dr If you see the bitch ratting he's ratting to buy his plex in Jita.
When you're in nulli you quickly figure out that the reason progod doesn't communicate quickly all the time, is because he's using that time to make giant-ass posts explaining everything in one fell swoop.
Another example is "short alliance meetings" lasting about 2 hours. Most of it spent on progod Q&A. We have yet to meet the dreaded "long alliance meeting". Pissbottle and poopsock stocks have been rising in anticipation.
the 99% are demanding reimbursements.
can you hear the voice of your people?
[B]I PAID 25 EUROS FOR A SIG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS SHITTY TROLL ATTEMPT[/B]
*Shooting a hostile POS with reds in it.*
"FC, ev0ke is warping to the gate, I think they're trying to bail!"
*fleetwarp to gate*
*WN bombers decloak*
"The stargate denies you permission to jump for a moment."
Mfume Apocal - Origin. - Black Legion.
If you have the resources to get another warm body on the firing line pulling a trigger, you do it. Doesn't matter if he's good at it. Maybe he'll give you a little more damage when you need it if he's good, he'll almost certainly soak some fire away from more useful people if he's inept, and if he doesn't contribute at all, well, he's reusable. There's literally no reason not to get him out there if you can.
Yes I'm sure this is the foundation alliances like Pandemic Legion are built on.
I'm sure PL is a normal alliance with limited funds available.
When you don't lose many ships, I think you'd kinda have a lot left over.
I think we need someone from PL to come in here and tell us what their foundation actually is.
(I think it's "playing games other than Eve.")
PL doesn't really have a foundation. (No sov, no base.) That's why they operate to a different system; all their fights are optional to them, so they can afford to fuck around a bit if they want. For people still working with the sov system, it's cannon fodder ahoy.
(And really if PL has people who can't go on ops because "no ship ma" and they can afford to give them one, that's goddamn stupid.)
not coward enough obviously, If I had fleet warped immediately instead of staying to possibly pick a few people off, I'd still have my vulture.
Lesson learned.
m8 you ran with 80 sniper bcs from 20 abaddons.
If you had fighter like man you would still have your dignity and honour.
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
In PL we send all the tech proceedings to an API'd account so everyone can watch the money, then we use it to buy every titan we can find.
We also use it to reimburse all titans we lose in y- systems every 11 months. And coven send really shady bills of 50b every month or so which nobody knows what it goes to, but its okay because we are all bros.
Alliance (xxxxxxxxx) - Balance: 1,791,125,928,873.21 ISK
also starting a "plexes to everyone that is active" campaign but the snigg oldeguarde is being angry and agasint it so who knows.
edit; i guess sov holding alliances needs to pay like 11b a month in sov costs, but the rest of it they prolly just RMT since holy shit you make a fuckton from tech moons.
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
Okay maybe using PL as an example is bad. It could be that I'm over-thinking this, but it seems to me that image does a lot for an alliance in this game. It helps with the amount of soft power you can exert, it reduces the chance of impromptu sov-attacks and more.
While some alliance are built on an image of low sp pilots (goonswarm, TEST) and use this image to their benefit, for others it only does them harm. The myriad of alliances trying to take sov in Querious after PL's departure for instance. Did anyone take them seriously? Of course this has to do with a host of other factors, but I'm sure image is one of them.
TL,DR: I don't think there's "literally no reason not to get him (just any warm body) out there if you can."
Seems BRICK have lost a couple of corps lately & word is the alliance is suffering heavily & isn't doing very well in terms of health. Hell it probably wouldn't take much to kill it all together if done right
10bill does not go a long way with a few days of fighting.
In PL BS's have limited reimbursements because if we ever lost a machac fleet its 100bill down.
But the way we work it, its only dumb people that die. Because we are so good at games (any games) we don't die offen so its never a problem. and the bad people get purged quick. Its not very offen we loose more than 0-10 ships in a 3:1 odds battle 50 vs 150 and most of those ships will be logis, hics and dics and maybe a command ship or 2, which are 99-100% reimbursed.
What we lack in sub cap reimbursement we make up for in Cap-Supercap reimbursements.
But again one welp a year is not that bad. (o hay December)
This is what makes PL so good, because every one is so good at this game coupled with the fact that our cum is made from isk and we wank off a lot, means we can do the all the stuff everyone wants to do but have no balls to field it.
We wank off even more when we drop 150bill worth of Faction BS's on fag fleet and the rage o the rage is like big tits giggling around with an Asian body, don''t forget the Asian body.
Giving 100% reimbursements for everything is a terrible idea because people just don't care if they die, they know they can log in the nest day and the ship fairy will have got them a new one.
There has to be some sort of risk for the person to not do dumb stuff with the ships. And giving out reimbursements for solo frigs is lol, if any one does that can I get my alt in.
Clearly the solution is to reimburse nothing so the poor leave.
People who die from 25 bombers or getting shot at by 200 reds while sitting in a bubble should definitely not get reimbursed so they l2play and get better.
With brilliant strategic thinking like this, I can see why the map is ultimately controlled by the 3 alliances who aren't complete fucking garbage.
Naw, don't worry, bro. Apparently they're so far beyond the standard "didn't want that space anyway" elite pvp alliance that they have now reached the uberelite stage of not wanting FCs or corporations even. At this rate they will soon transcend this scrub-filled reality shedding all trappings of a cohesive alliance and disappear forever into a realm of pure eliteness.
Posting Permissions
Bookmarks