The number on paper for S2N is 1350 + 600 or so T2N (training corps, trails, ...), we do what we can on short notice.Originally Posted by Pripyat
It was an impromptu jabber ping after all.
USTZ would probably have gotten a few more than that.
The number on paper for S2N is 1350 + 600 or so T2N (training corps, trails, ...), we do what we can on short notice.
It was an impromptu jabber ping after all.
USTZ would probably have gotten a few more than that.
Can we start talking about supercaps in this thread so Mynas dosen't feel left out?
My question is why, along with all those subcaps, nulli didn't bring supers. would've killed the hub and tcu pretty quick, wouldn't have lagged the system out, probably wouldn't have lost as many to bombs, etc.
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This geddon pilot deserves a cookie though. Bigger cargohold so he can bring more ammo for I-HUB shoots?
Probably thought that all the loot after a battle was going to waste in his alliance mates' holds and that he should have more, so instead of HS there's expanders so he could liberate as much as possible while not losing any survivability.http://kb.morsus-mihi.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10099420
This geddon pilot deserves a cookie though. Bigger cargohold so he can bring more ammo for I-HUB shoots?
Why he had only those 2 types of ammo I can't say though :|
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This geddon pilot deserves a cookie though. Bigger cargohold so he can bring more ammo for I-HUB shoots?
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I prefer getting on your own killmails
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i wonder how much money can be made by flying to sakht, relisting all the bombers and bombs, since br1ck and MM and all them other peoples trying to take delve lose alot of bombers
Well seeing as MM has some huge market jews in it already I'm sure that train is already being ridden.
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Oh god dammit, that was my idea
Also, in a way, I kinda like this progression. If we keep on loosing fights, maybe my allies might realize that we do in fact suck, and perhaps make some changes.
That's my hope anyways. Don't kill my dream.
I don't know how many supers Nulli can field by themselves but some of the alliances were trying to form supers initially, while we were using supers/reg caps to finish off NOL. That's why I figured they were aiming to fight us in NOL, tho having seen the alleged TEST memo maybe that's not the case
But it's tough to get supers working when you have a handful from each alliance. There's trust issues. It's hard enough deploying expensive assets under the command of an FC that's fairly respected coalition-wide, so I can only imagine how hard it is when you're trying to pretend to your members you don't infact have a coalition but a 'thunderdome'. Certainly if they all fielded at once in theory they'd overwhelm what RAWR/BR1CK/BORG can, as someone pointed out a couple of pages back, and it is when we put ours out that they get best numbers since they're horny to kill supers. That's probably how we'll get the first supercap fight down here in the end. But when it's just to kill an IHUB of course several of the alliances/pilots feel it's not worth it, numbers are lower, and then there isn't enough supers to be sure enough of going toe-to-toe with ours so they don't deploy. Is my guess
TCU is 1/10th the hitpoints of an IHUB anyway so the reason they didn't kill it had nothing to do with lacking DPS from supers
We're just masochists, that's all.
I doubt any of the refugees will be willing to use supers in combat at all. My point wasn't about the hp on a TCU, it was that if they'd just dropped supers, they probably could've killed the hub before they managed to get bombed several times and probably could've put their subcap pilots into more useful ships that are somewhat impervious to bombs like ahacs. If they'd had a bunch of ahacs rapecaging the ihub, even if MM had tried to bomb fighter bombers, they'd have lost lots due to free firing zealots.
I don't really think trust is the issue between these guys, I think it's that they still believe MM have a shitton of supers on standby and will willingly drop them into a fight. If this was true, MM could've won every fight so far.
Also, if I were chaot and one of my guys bubbled basically our entire fleet just as MM was doing a bomb run, I'd certainly be asking for a full API or just outright booting the guy.
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I am pretty sure Sala et al who have consistently used their supers against the likes of PL, DRF, and NCdot are scared to field supers against those of Nulli Secunda, C0nvicted, and Important Spaceships, etc. They have even lost them multiple times against the new NC and won a few super battles.
"...consistently used their supers..."I am pretty sure Sala et al who have consistently used their supers against the likes of PL, DRF, and NCdot are scared to field supers agains Nulli Secunda, C0nvicted, and Important Spaceships, etc
Really now? Stuck in a time-warp to 4 months ago are we?
Selective quoting best quoting
Using et al after having listed only one name basically means that Sala was the only one you could think of.I am pretty sure Sala et al who have consistently used their supers against the likes of PL, DRF, and NCdot are scared to field supers against those of Nulli Secunda, C0nvicted, and Important Spaceships, etc
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We've been using them in combat a bit when it matters, just not that much
If they'd JUST dropped supers maybe, if they'd all organised and brought a different strategy like zealots maybe, but just killing the IHUB faster wouldn't have helped since our most devestating bombing runs were near the beginning when they first arrived. But there is more things they could do to counter bombers without using supers, and I'm sure they will get the hang of it eventually
We're not here to win every fight by throwing around supers. We're here to have fun with *gasp* mainly sub-cap fighting. With no obligations or sov responsibilities we don't have to get forced into throwing around supers when we won't want to. But I'm sure they surmise that if they deploy supers the chances of us responding with our supers greatly increases, since we have something worthwhile to shoot at. If they do it half-assed with low numbers then they give us an opening, and that's not worth doing for an IHUB unless they really think killing the IHUB will be some war changing victory. This is how super-cap warfare works. You deploy when it's worth the risk, and that depends on what the upside is as well as your chances of achieving the upside. If you have an unstoppable blob to throw around everytime you use them a lot, if you don't then you think about the situation a lot more. That makes the current situation pretty interesting
ROFL
Just about to post this, almost verbatim.
I don't even know what et al is :|
edit: Looked up, thanks for the edjamacation.
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Comrade is obviously not part of our prestigious Scholars Legion, which meets every Tuesday and Thursday to discuss the latest in scientific papers and the arts.
And with that I need to actually start work. Negrep the shit out of me if I post again before lunch, my productivity is bottoming out this week.
What can i say. I am not in MM et al. I have said that before. Didn't stop the mongoloids from deciding that i am in MM though.
it also helps that Sala doesn't have a new titan yet (afaik)
If it posts like a duck...
Then it's probably a nigger.
When is lunch?
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I would take offense to this, but its so true
you're smart et al
From what I saw it doesn't seem to work in that circumstance :<
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Ignore him my love, he's insulting you
Try to sell him a Gold Watch or something
It's just friendly ribbing :P
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He wasn't/isn't a spy, just someone who was dropped as a child.
Multiple times.
Yeah it's from The Venture Bros. (I'd use rep for this but I'm in cooldown)
Splodey, I remember when you started posting on this forum. Now you're a rep-power to be reckoned with.Yeah it's from The Venture Bros. (I'd use rep for this but I'm in cooldown
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That's the name I was looking for. I might end up watching that, I watched some of frisky dingo a while back and it was funny.
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Frisky Dingo was good (I didn't see much of it but what I did was good), but Venture Bros is amazing. Some say Archer (Made by the guy who made Frisky Dingo) is better, and I think it's still pretty damn funny, but Venture Bros is my favourite TV programme in a good long while.
Shit that reminds me. I still haven't replied to his complete and utter bullshit visitor message he left me with negrep powah.
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Depends. That was short-notice, S2N only op. Euro TZ, with allies, we've maxed a 255 man fleet, US TZ, we've hit 180.
i'll sell you a gold watch et al
I have no idea why we didn't kill TCU.
After losing so many to bombs all I heard from them was, we're leaving. Despite pointing out the obvious Nulli left with online tcu-that being the case allies left the field as well.
/me shrugs
“Isn't it funny how the mood can be ruined so quickly by just one busted condom”
The problem isn't the number of them, they should still have a decent number of them. The problem is how they are acquired, how they are used and who has access to them.
MM was very good in the dread/carrier level of war, you didn't really need to be a carebearing motherfucker to fly one and we had large reserves of them at corp/alliance levels and used them aggressively. Other alliances approached the transition to supers far better than MM did. They needed to have a greater emphasis on creating a corp/alliance fleet that was funded by the corp/alliance and were borrowed by trusted qualified veteran pilots and more effort gone into training pilots and putting more of an effort to build that aspect of the fleet up.
It is retarded to rely a lot for a large alliance that controlled so much space for individual members to acquire the ships, fit then and then get reimbursement if you lost one in a fleet op. It was a fairly trivial investment for me but I played for a long time and carebeared a lot in my early years.
I mean you look at sub-cap fleets and you still see shit fits, inconsistency, fleets are still very tardy and while you don't want to be elitest, if someone deploys a SC which is T2 fit then the dude flying it probably realistically can't afford to lose it or fitting it properly so shouldn't be flying it in the first place. At that level of expenditure it is better to operate it at a corp and alliance level and then use those assets more aggressively.
In the current environment if I was flying there wouldn't be a fucking hope in hell I would whip out my Aeon. I don't really care about losing the ship, the modules on the other hand would be a nightmare to replace and unless the alliance had it's act together then you can't really expect anyone to sacrifice something significant that they have forked out for when they are not confident if the support would be there if needed.
Also, any spy that blew their cover to take out a sub-cap fleet would be a complete moron.
simple answer guys, nulli doesn't have supers.
And from what I heard last night was a complete clusterfuck after that hictor bubbled us in on the first bombing run on nulli, which killed all of our instacanes and dictors before we even got set up on the ihub.
Ye as we were about to warp one superdarthy ( i think it was him ) thought it would be ingenius to click the "warp disruption" button, which fucked up alot of our fleet, and then allowed about 50 ships call for armor at once..
Agree with you on most points Kaeydan, and I was one of those pushing for that mentaltity but...
It's not the case that many other alliances achieved it. Some of the DRF did. It's debateable just how much we pushed their limits and it's questionable why they were able to do that despite the obvious problems we hit with having corp/shared supers. None of the other northern invaders pulled it off
We were able to go toe-to-toe with DRF to begin with so we obviously did something right. It just wasn't enough. Then everyone else piled in and our allies started looking inwards. Supercaps (just like capitals but much more so) cause a kind of exagerated risk-aversion. So for example what should have been one of our strongest allies (Goons) never fielded a supercap in our defence. And I don't really blame them because the odds were already against us. Then it's hard to recover from a 'collective supercap-failcascade' like that
There are a lot of interesting parallels you can draw between regular caps and supercaps but the unavoidable difference is, even accounting for inflation, supercaps are worth much, much more than dreads ever were. Not only do they cost so much more, but they're so much more powerful they make almost every other ship obsolete. When RAWR left the north we couldn't field a supercap fleet approaching what we had 3 months earlier and that was with the (belated) supercap insurance program and *all* the supers in the big battles being replaced. Yes our 'communist' approach was late and inadaequate, but it wasn't so far off. We just lost the edge at some point and then never had any hope of regaining it given the game mechanics. The game went to shit, and still is shit at capital/sov level. I quit playing, you quit playing. The reason we lost the north is because you and me and so many others quit playing the game cos it was shit. Sooner or later we had to deal with a war where we didn't have supercap-superiority regardless of our approach. We did it with dreads a few times no probs. The difference this time is supercaps are overpowered and once we passed the point of no return noone cared enough to even try to fight them cos it was pointless. I never though we'd leave Tribute like we did. I was always one of those "must fight til last ship" guys. But seeing how big the supercap blob had gotten I was forced to admit there was zero point fighting it. It was like the Persudatron in Syndicate when you reach the end of a level you've found so difficult with previous strategies but now with 300 guys on your side you cream the last spawn of badass agents without even risking losing one crappy civie. No contest
Ofc this point of view still now comes off as whining about game mechanics after a loss, but I'm sure in 6-12 months it'll be even clearer just how damaging supercaps have been to EVE. Especially when you compare them to CCP's vision for Dominion of a varied political landscape, and the glaring fact that even the dev that was most responsible for creating them has been calling for a heavy nerf for months now
Edit: Just wanted to mention how proud I am of writing this entire post without mentioning botting ^^ Except in the edit, I mention botting there. A bit
Oh Blazde you nearly did it, but the edit ruined it
The trick is to never, ever, stop posting.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
i found it a surprisingly interesting readOh Blazde you nearly did it, but the edit ruined it
I knowOh Blazde you nearly did it, but the edit ruined it
Couldn't help it
It wasn't even an edit, it was a fakeedit
for even a second
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