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    T2 Monocle with a flashing light on it. A steal at 21,000 Aurum.

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    It is becoming more and more difficult to determine which thread I'm in. The Nerf-Supercaps thread about Delve? The Nerf-Supercaps thread about Goons? The Nerf-Supercaps thread about Paul McCartney.? Or the Nerf-Supercaps thread about... whatever this thread was when it started.

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    What if CCP removed all of the blueprints from the game, replacing them with quafe booster, and then made new blueprints only available through an NPC store with AUR? A 5 run t1 cruiser BP would cost about $1, a 5 run t2 cruiser BP would cost around $5, up to a 1 run super or titan for $100. All the skills used to make blueprints better would be refunded or some new crafting system will be created to go along with MT blueprints. When you cook a t2 item you need to throw a few datacores in with everything else. T3 hulls would require special consumables to unlock the relics that give you a BP which could only get from the NPC store. If you pay for your subscription you get $2 worth of AUR each month to spend. Eventually the subscription would be phased out and the game will be free to play.

    I argue this is not "game breaking", all items keep the same stats, no golden ammo is introduced, and everyone will have the same incentive to do all the same stuff they are doing now: mine asteroids, melt mission loot, fight over moons etc.

    It will create a true plex sink, and I know everyone here loves sinks.

    It would possibly create more tears when you blow up someone's shiny toy.

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    Titan should be dockable mobile command-stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterling86 View Post
    What if CCP removed all of the blueprints from the game, replacing them with quafe booster, and then made new blueprints only available through an NPC store with AUR? A 5 run t1 cruiser BP would cost about $1, a 5 run t2 cruiser BP would cost around $5, up to a 1 run super or titan for $100. All the skills used to make blueprints better would be refunded or some new crafting system will be created to go along with MT blueprints. When you cook a t2 item you need to throw a few datacores in with everything else. T3 hulls would require special consumables to unlock the relics that give you a BP which could only get from the NPC store. If you pay for your subscription you get $2 worth of AUR each month to spend. Eventually the subscription would be phased out and the game will be free to play.

    I argue this is not "game breaking", all items keep the same stats, no golden ammo is introduced, and everyone will have the same incentive to do all the same stuff they are doing now: mine asteroids, melt mission loot, fight over moons etc.

    It will create a true plex sink, and I know everyone here loves sinks.

    It would possibly create more tears when you blow up someone's shiny toy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocrumsprug View Post
    The CF thinks it is (Dreadswarm) a stupid idea. If you don't, put your money where your mouth is and let us know how wrong we are. Personally, I am not overly offended by being called a lazy whiner for not doing something I think is stupid by someone else that thinks it is a good idea, but who is also too lazy and whiny to try it.
    If TEST & co. can't even be assed to burn 15 to 20 jumps to pinkmist unsupported, tackled solo supercarriers when they have a 150 man fleet chilling in fountain looking for a fight, its no surprise that they don't want to try and butcher a super fleet with relatively disposable dreads either.

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    http://eonmagazine.net/2011/07/06/cc...for-the-skype/
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/07...ns-transcript/

    CCP called a couple of press conferences last night to go over all the recent fury and protest over Incarna, vanity goods prices and whether CCP’s future microtransaction strategy is as dominated by greed as might have been suggested by leaked internal communications. I know this because I was listening to the first conference, which was for us community media types, while the second was for the proper games journos (*sniff* they grow up so fast *sniff*). Both skype-assisted events were set up largely as a means to reiterate the points made in last weekend’s devblog/video release, but that’s not to suggest they weren’t revealing or useful in any way.

    While CCP conveniently ran out of time to cover the more awkward questions about the defiant and injurious tone of the CEO’s email and the lack of transparency during the CSM/CCP summit meetings, the so-called defining question over the future of virtual goods sales in EVE was given plenty of breathing space. Both CCP Zulu and the interjectious CSM Mittani (who delighted in warning against the perils of taking vitamin supplements on an empty stomach) were able to tackle the fundamental difficulties with proclaiming a never-never stance on “gold ammo” items. While it may seem a cop-out to suggest that it is impossible to define what is and isn’t game-breaking, it is true that perceptions of what’s potentially damaging have changed over the years. CCP Zulu pointed out that PLEXs were initially fiercely opposed by many players on the basis that they allowed time-starved, cash-rich players to buy their way to success. That was and remains fundamentally true, however, Zulu was quick to emphasis that just because sales of certain items might become acceptable to the game-playing public at large, it doesn’t mean CCP is going all out to capitalise on rising hemlines. “PLEX is now not accepted as game breaking – but we’re not moving a line,” he said.

    On most other subjects that were brought up, nothing new was divulged. The remaining Captain’s Quarters should be ready for August, the new super-space backdrops will be “ready when they’re ready” and cheaper items will be appearing in the NeX store fairly soon, with more to follow from now until the end of time. As for ships in space, there was mention of significant re-balancing efforts going on with one type of ship or other, but I was distracted and can’t recall what it was. Maybe it was destroyers.

    As a means to get the more vocal and influential members of the EVE community direct access to developer thoughts, the conference itself was a better statement of intent than anything that was said. If the last two weeks have taught us anything, it’s that while communication between CCP and the EVE community hasn’t been exactly lacking, the bulk of what’s been said has been overblown on one side and seemingly ignored from the other. Regardless of how slowly CCP proceed with virtual goods sales, if they continue to actively court the community in these kinds of frank discussions over the future of EVE, it will be a very good thing for all concerned and would be a lot cheaper than having to ship the CSMs to Iceland when they’ve barely recovered from their previous visit.

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    Vitamin supplements? What the flying fuck. Eat an apple.

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    CCP Zulu pointed out that PLEXs were initially fiercely opposed by many players on the basis that they allowed time-starved, cash-rich players to buy their way to success.
    What a load of shit. I was around when ETCs first came around (plexs weren't introduced for a LONG time after, and they switched the name to GTCs later) and by and whole most people considered them a good thing, sure not everyone agreed but the general consensus was do this. This was back when selling them was a gray-area, depending on who responded to the petition the legality of selling them was up in there. Finally the "GMs" (sure right) had a meeting together and said it was ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Comrade View Post
    What a load of shit. I was around when ETCs first came around (plexs weren't introduced for a LONG time after, and they switched the name to GTCs later) and by and whole most people considered them a good thing, sure not everyone agreed but the general consensus was do this. This was back when selling them was a gray-area, depending on who responded to the petition the legality of selling them was up in there. Finally the "GMs" (sure right) had a meeting together and said it was ok.CCP, making shit up erryday.
    I remember rage threads about "legal RMT end of EVE"
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    I remember threads praising it too. CCP Could offer people a $500 refund for being good customers and people would bitch about it. As I said it wasn't universally praised, just overall most people seemed for it (far as I could tell in the threads where people would + or - it did rather well).

    Edit: And there's end of EvE threads even when nothing changes :|.
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    I liked a comment I read (FHC I think) pointing out PLEX's were just controlling and taxing something that was happening anyway. You can see exactly the same thing in Perpeptuum where people are selling game-time codes bought off third party sites for in-game currency (or running scams promising the same). The situation is very different where CCP are themselves driving the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pripyat View Post
    Zulu was quick to emphasis that...
    This is why I tell my kids to READ THE REPORT OUT LOUD before calling it finished. Just because there's no red line under the word doesn't mean it is the right word.

    I'd call him a wannabe journo but even paid journos seem to be retarded these days. Even modern novels are being edited by retards anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred Hideous View Post
    This is why I tell my kids to READ THE REPORT OUT LOUD before calling it finished. Just because there's no red line under the word doesn't mean it is the right word. ...are being edited by retards anymore.
    Irony overload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J'envie Smack View Post
    Irony overload.
    Do tell. Mssr Smack. I assume you bolded the important part?

    I don't generally criticize forum entries and chat sessions because they are informal communications. Novels and "news" are supposed to be given a little more weight and deserve just a little editing time.

    Do you disagree?

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    I think what he was saying is that the part he bolded makes no sense/is gramatically incorrect. "edited by retards anymore." I think it should be "nowdays" or somesuch, and it is kinda funny/ironic since you mention editing and it's incorrect. I noticed it as well but I'm no grammer/spelling nazi so I didn't care too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Comrade View Post
    I think what he was saying is that the part he bolded makes no sense/is gramatically incorrect. "edited by retards anymore." I think it should be "nowdays" or somesuch, and it is kinda funny/ironic since you mention editing and it's incorrect. I noticed it as well but I'm no grammer/spelling nazi so I didn't care too.
    It's regional. In the U. S. "anymore" can be used in the positive construction and is interchangeable with nowadays.

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    Really? I live in the US and I've never heard that before, I'm hardly the one to take English advice from though. Either way I'm pretty sure that's why he bolded that bit. Though maybe he does think editors nowadays are a step up

    edit: Looked it up and it is as you say, sounds weird though :P Live in Maryland btw, saw that it's common in WV though and that's close by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Comrade View Post
    Really? I live in the US and I've never heard that before, I'm hardly the one to take English advice from though. Either way I'm pretty sure that's why he bolded that bit.
    I thought that was the reason for the bold as well but I wanted to check, just to be sure I hadn't missed something else.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...0&t=1310051078


    I've lived all over the country so I'm sure I picked it up after leaving New England (where it is apparently not at all popular).

    Perhaps he should have called me an idiom. He could have said patois overload.

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    Looked it up before I saw your post :P. Yah I saw someone said it's not popular in England at all but the Scotts started it or summit?
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    Yeah, it looks incredibly odd to me (fairly well-traveled American) and I've never heard it used that way before, but apparently I stand corrected. I've only ever heard "anymore" used as a synonym for "any longer."

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    Omg grammar...

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    Didn't you know Americans aren't allowed to proclaim themselves well-traveled? I bet you think you now multiple languages as well.

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    Yea, I asked that question a few years back. Found the use of "anymore" in that way odd indeed. It was a person from the US that used it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmychrist View Post
    Read the Pressrelease, checked the Homepage of Nexon to see what the fuck they did in the past, pressed the link to something which was apparently their premium game (give it a minute to load) and landed on a page that has skimpy-dressed Playboy-bunnies tell me something about a fantasygame where all women have huge tits. Me like.

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    Yeah fuck CCP forever. Let's go play ????????????????
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    The young woman on the far right looks like a very good conversationalist but I'm afraid to click anything cause I don't speak manga. Other than Kawasaki Bukkake Suntory time, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmychrist View Post
    Finally CCP does something I really approve of.

    Soooo many noobs to kill, and yes, the real space honour. Oh god, i am so happy, you have no idea
    good thing this wont happen till this fall; i have time to prepare.

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    Japs are awesome people


    Except for Jap gamers


    So Japs mostly suck

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmaSplodeYouFace View Post
    Japs are awesome people


    Except for Jap gamers


    So Japs mostly suck
    True story, although they've made awesome games, like pokemon. that was awesome

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    Once they have the game client in Japanese, it's not too much of a stretch to bet they'll expand to Korean

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    And now we have the origin of the designer Japanese pants! It's all looping together like one big filthy self consuming snake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeon221 View Post
    And now we have the origin of the designer Japanese pants! It's all looping together like one big filthy self consuming snake.
    The Ouroboros of Outrage, if you will.

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    http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=936

    Mid tier outfits for 3-4 PLEX...

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    Wait till they charge 15 plex to go naked, then you are literally paying for nothing :P
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    This is an american's idea of "micro", isn't it?

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    On a related note Planetside2 will be PC only.

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    Honestly it never even crossed my mind that it would be any other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorren Canada View Post
    Once they have the game client in Japanese, it's not too much of a stretch to bet they'll expand to Korean
    That would be awesome. The eve war to end all eve wars. Too bad I'll require google translate to understand the incredibly bitter smack talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmychrist View Post
    http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=936

    Mid tier outfits for 3-4 PLEX...
    I don't care about their pricing other than as evidence they are flat out divorced from reality. It's pretty boring looking clothing no one will see for extreme prices. I just don't get their logic.

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    Deluxe tier outfits are aimed at flamboyantly rich capsuleers regardless of whether they measure their wealth in ISK, Aurum, PLEX, or currencies from Earth. While price is of little concern for these players, they could find themselves spending two or three times the price of an affordable outfit on a single piece for their ensemble. An exceptional tier is rumored to exist that represents a very special and rare investment for the wealthiest members of the EVE community.
    I wish I could travel back in time and stop myself from ever starting this awful game and blowing so much moniez on it.

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    Jesus christ CCP, you're supposed to ease people into the idea of MT, not go overboard straight away...

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    CCP's supposed to ease a lot of things, like patches onto the live server. They've never been good at "easing", better at just throwing caution to the wind and then going through the stages of ignorance, anger/indignation, depression, apologetic, and then ignorant again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Comrade View Post
    CCP's supposed to ease a lot of things, like patches onto the live server. They've never been good at "easing", better at just throwing caution to the wind and then going through the stages of ignorance, anger/indignation, depression, apologetic, and then ignorant again.
    "Fearless."

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    Totally fearless.

    When they're implementing shit, then they shit their pants when it comes time for devblogs/patch notes that explain said implementations.

    Seriously though, I thought the internal newsletter name was hilarious because when it got leaked all they did was panic and cry about it, the opposite qualities of fearlessness :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Comrade View Post
    Totally fearless.

    When they're implementing shit, then they shit their pants when it comes time for devblogs/patch notes that explain said implementations.

    Seriously though, I thought the internal newsletter name was hilarious because when it got leaked all they did was panic and cry about it, the opposite qualities of fearlessness :P
    My time in the industry taught me that there is a special sort of kool-aid that gets served in the executive lounge and to a lesser degree to the management. You could literally be standing on the dead after shipping a game/patch, which includes something fun like boot.ini, and someone would still send out a "Fearless" email or suck the teams dick similarly during a team/company pep talk. It is nothing but horseshit, and generally the only people that really lap it up and the 'star' candidates for further promotion in the studio.

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