Why does he FC if he doesn't want to?Originally Posted by Bring Stabity
Why does he FC if he doesn't want to?
Twitter: @WidotVenetianT - RIP Vile Rat.
This is the thing that irks me about supercapitals. It's not that they're overpowered (they are, but it's more nuanced than that and I'm not space professional so I won't speak to that), it's that, in my eyes, they're pretty much a fun-killer. The North right now is pretty much a ridiculously autistic standoff over jammers. If the jammer stays up, Clusterfuck wins. If the jammer goes down, (I don't actually know what to call you guys) wins. There's some general mathematical shenanigans involved concerning EHP and DPS and doomsdays and remote ECM bursts and shit, but in the end supercapitals are essentialy the epitome of "function over fun" in video gaming.
We had 700 dudes frustrated that we couldn't get a subcap fight, and from talking to some dudes in PL apparently a bunch of them were frustrated they didn't get a subcap fight either. Goddamn niggers, just do what's more fun. Otherwise it's just work.
Supers are the ultimate Schadenfreude-chariots of EVE Online, the fun in using them stems from knowing that you are destroying someone's game with your monster machine of death
And they're SO fucking shiny.
That's true, they're pretty good for waving your spacedick around. But you can only do that so much before your foreskin starts to ache.
Why cram 700 guys into a system when you're looking for a good fight?
Looks more like you wanted to make statement.
When you start swinging your dick around don't cry when somebody chops it off.
I am curious Prippa. What is the "good fight" limit you guys go by when deciding to bring SC or not?
I see a lot of bitter in this thread now. What happened to everyone having fights and fun in EVE Online?
Twitter: @WidotVenetianT - RIP Vile Rat.
We weren't really making a statement. NOL was making a statement.
Last night was GSF asking for a hand and getting like 300 more people than they expected to show up.
the power of the directorate~~
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
m8, have you ever flown a titan?
You literally solo pop a maelstrom every 12 secs, its awesome fun.
Also stop trying to pretend you bring 700 dudes to have a GOOD FIGHT IN SUBCAPS when our side never ever have had more then 350 lol.
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
THIS
Nothing more to say here, lock and close the thread down tyvm
CF & co will dominate numbers in a subcap fight and the coalition with no obvious name will dominate in a cap fight. To be honest you cant blame either side for playing to their strengths, especially where winning is much more important than GF's.
Eat shit newfag.
SERIOUS POST INCOMING:
As a PL fc, I know when the hostiles have over 250 there is nothing i can do with my 100 PL to beat them with subcaps. 250+ alphas my logistics and even hellcats/tengus. Some might cry "but bombers" but nowadays most fcs know how to counter bomberts.
If the hostiles have sub 250, we either get good fites or they get plain raped.
Only counter to 250+ is an equal sized blob or supercaps, and since PL (historically) havent had a blob we either have to blueball or supercap drop.
Now when we have our bros in ncdot, raiden and e0vke, we can probably get 350 together in support.
But now we are up to the subcaps fights with 800 in local and lagg comes into play, so now the only thing that really matters is # of battleships.
Yes, some will say "NO ITS LOGIS THAT COUNT!" but they are retarded and wrong.
Its all about numbers of battleships.
We know that, goons know that.
Now without smacking, goons rarely engage us with even numbers, since they know what happends to a maelstrom fleet if a hellcat fleet of even size lands on top of them.
So now we are at BDV, where goons and friends bring about 800 subcaps, now we can bring out 400 subcaps and suicide into them i guess.
But neither goons nor we and our bros are into the whole suiciding thing.
So we bring in titans.
Now, some people seems to think that these kind of fights are supposed to be "epic" or "good fights" but that is very very rarely the case (o2o exception).
The good fites are over the tech moons and casual timers, where local dont go over 500 dudes.
As soon as one side blows horn of goondor or RED PENS both sides go serious mode and its all about not whelping morale etc etc, claiming otherwise is either stupid or trolling, since all FCs or people who know how the game works agrees on this.
Ofc, there are many cases of new PL fcs or us tz PL fcs with hubris over what us euros accomplish, so they engage odds they cannot possibly win, only to realise this mid fight when everyone is bubbled and then jump in titans to save their shit, but that mostly happends to people like phreze and nestor. 95% of the fights the outcome is decided before any shots are fired.
Weekly serious post done.
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
lets IAC negrep nuke that fool
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
IAC lives on in the reputation comments box
So, serious question: What are you going to do once EVE is so inflated that all of the 800 dudes on the other side have supercapitals too? Once there is no ship you can upgrade to beat a larger number with a smaller?
More caps, of course. Unless CCP brings out a supertitan that makes titans the new rifters, then get more of those.
Yep. Lady IAC is a generous vixen, to those that treated her well.
Nice post Propagandas, around 250 ships are the good fight limits it seems. Fair enuff.
Those guys are all in Curse having beach parties
Then the game will finally be balanced.
I'm shocked (in a positive way).
You're obviously not an economics major...
wtf is this.
Are you trying to tell someone that your idea of playing internet spaceships is more valid than someone else's. I have no idea what "real pvp" is but I would guess it involves some kind of space bushido code roleplaying hookers and a committee to hand out medals.
We just do the fake kind, which seems to involve blowing things up and generating tears.
Why are we still bothering with propaganda when it doesn't matter? In a serious sov fight both sides are going to bring what they can. The idea the new northern coalition isn't going to drop super-caps on things and Goons are going to have a lot of people in sub-caps (they should have some sort of ticket system to limit attendance?) is just hurfdurf. It will be interesting to see if there is a tactic that works for the goons but I'm pretty sure the smart money is on "no", even Jammers are really just a delaying tactic, you can't launch an offensive on that basis or have any secrecy when there's so many people involved. And they'll lose the economic war as well.
Oh no! The isk efficiency
How many dreads does it take to alpha an Avatar?
Edit:
If my math conversion is correct (assuming 80,000 volley from Dreadnoughts)
Wouldn't it only take 90 dreads to alpha a max tank titan in a single shot?
Assuming the dreads are properly fitted (700M hull + 700M fitting?) that's approximately 135B Isk on the field, and ONLY 90 pilots.
Assuming the 5500 Maelstroms are properly fitted the cost there is ~160M isk per, that's approximately 880B isk on the field, AND requiring 5500 pilots.
Are Dreadnoughts the 2011 version of 2004 Battleship fleets?
Is the logistics of cynos/siege mode dreads a bigger hassle than organizing 5500 pilots for Alpha Fleet? The logical leap from a Battleship is a Dreadnought...
DB4L
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> post about not bothering with propaganda
> uses term "New NC"
> doesn't proofread post (Goons AREN'T going to have a lot of people in subcaps)
You're a butt.
ringringringringring pandemic phone herpaderpderp
Daroh > I've bought a telescope, watching you guys fly in eve from my place )))
The coalition in the north sounds like a decent start to me, since no one has better (it's not the DRF anymore, nor is it just PL).
I'm still not sure when I log in to have fun. According to this thread: never.
I vote The coalition with no name
"From Russia with aids" or would that joke require having some sort of oldschool goons on our side :3
Daroh > I've bought a telescope, watching you guys fly in eve from my place )))
The North and Eastern Co-Prosperity Sphere
Nameless Coalition (NC for short).
The Taylor Swift appreciation Station
Coalition of Angry Coalition Killers (CACK)
Poor EVE citizens, we're all mourning the death of the NC, it's over now.
It won't come back
Daroh > I've bought a telescope, watching you guys fly in eve from my place )))
Prop is absolutely correct, as he usually is when he bothers to post seriously. Sov war is irredeemably awful. If you have to engage in it, it is almost always best for your playerbase to do it as ruthlessly and efficiently as possible. This isn't to suggest that there can't be moments of fun or nothing at all that leaders can do to make it less awful, but by far the easiest and most effective way of reducing the awfulness is just to make it fast. If goons are smart, which they generally are, they are trying to break the offensive just as quickly and thoroughly as the whateverthefuck coalition is trying to break the goon will to defend.
If you're rolling around complaining about no ~gudfites~ yet dropping supers on everyone who stands up to you, then of course you're a huge faggot. If you're taking space/moons for the sake of taking space/moons, then you use everything in your arsenal to make the game as unenjoyable as possible for the enemy. It's the nature of sovwar in Eve; you can unironically say "don't hate the player, hate the game" (which is an ironic statement to use unironically).
Because we have to 0wn him.
Because he's the FC goonswarm deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll 0wn him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A massive pubbie.
It's ok goons, you'll be able to MT your way against those superca-oh wait.
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
Ok, well, time for a threadnaught? Giant penis? Anything? Anyone?
Daroh > I've bought a telescope, watching you guys fly in eve from my place )))
It already has.Poor EVE citizens, we're all mourning the death of the NC, it's over now.
It won't come back
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
I know your a troll but you do realize the only way to counter a supercapital blob with a remote possibility of success is to bring more, alot more.
Yeah of course my friend I am however enjoying the game now from a new angle making new friends and its p.nice just being a grunt.
If we promise to bring no more than 250, do you promise to bring no more than 150 so it'll be fair?
Idgi. If that question were coming from anybody else i would just discard it as trolling but since you earned the E-Respect Of Green Bars i'll try to answer that question.
I can't speak for the US-TZ but we had a couple of great fights in EU-TZ against Vee. Some we lost, some we did win. When the resistance of Tribute was broken we had to try and speed up the game by attacking structures, and you use SCs to do the heavy lifting when you dont have to fear hotdrops. We (as in my alliance) dont use them to drop them on Battleship-Fleets and ruin fights, we need to entertain our pilots as much as everybody else to keep them in fleets.
As infamous as the fight for KDV and J-O was, we planned to engage Vee's 180 Battleships plus Supers in a cynojammed system with 200 AHACs to bring good fights (and being trolled for getting raped in this forum). Being able to bring in our own supers was an unexpected (and hilarious) outcome to us.
Tl;dr: Sometimes we need to get a Job done and bring in Supers because we have to grind through countless of structures. Just as often we want to get goodfites because most of our pilots are fickle bitches that need constant entertainment.
I wanna know something - you do realize that you have dropped supercaps on subcap fleets so often now that the other side simply assumes you will every time now, right? I don't know where this "we don't use them to drop them on battleship fleets and ruin fights" comes from, you've been doing exactly that for years, ever since you went to amuse yourself picking on MH and lost Fountain because of it.
To be honest, I'm finding the whole situation utterly hilarious, especially the part where PL is bitching about not getting a proper fight for several months. I pointed out the problem a few days ago, only to be told "blah blah get your own supers" or somesuch, I don't really give enough of a fuck at this point to go back and check.
In fact, I've just gotten all my non-PVP assets hauled to empire, the only things I have left here is a few drakes (I never got to kill them when we were in the drake blob mode, and I certainly can't get them killed now vOv), a few hurricanes, a few maelstroms and a thanatos.
There's literally nothing tying me down to deklein, and I'm ready to move out at any point. I am, however, going to help the CF make the takeover of deklein and surrounding area as much of a bitch as I can help make it, however, because hey, why not? If that means being one of 700 duders (or more) in a system, I will do so. As long as the FCs and my leaders don't tell us to pull out, and as long as I have access to a ship, I will stay and fight.
In fact, it's going to be a downright giggle to see how many supers you'll bring into systems at the same time once the jammers go down, and it's going to be a lot of fun to see just how long we can prolong the whole burning of deklein campaign, because to be fair it's obvious that we will lose eventually (if you guys don't burn out before you get that far vOv).
Don't like it? Tough noogies. You've basically created this situation for yourselves where it's fight under jammers or get blueballed. ~deal wiz it~.
Now kick us out of deklein already. I want a change of scenery.
Originally Posted by Agathor
I am curious Prippa. What is the "good fight" limit you guys go by when deciding to bring SC or not?
Im gonna hop in on this question because I feel like poasting. Unless you bought yourself a toon capable of flying a Super chances are you have been through a million subcap fights. The excitement and tingle you would get as a new player has worn off going into a fight. However I can say when you warp a titan into several 100 hostiles it tends to cause a little pucker factor. The players at this point in the game should be able to use they're ships they have worked so hard to get.
Nobody fights to lose. I can remember poast from many years ago where when people would complain about goon/nc numbers Mitttens and other goons would say " Can't help that you are bad at diplomacy".
What I have learned from the inside of PL not necessarily in order.
1 They enjoy being faggots and one up eachother in how many tears they can cause.
2 R giant Jews.
Let me save you the suspense. Gewns most likely won't fight the Gewns of today just aren't the say fuckit Goons of yesteryear. Todays Gewn over-analyzes everything computes everything down to a isk win loss ratio decision process. It kinda sad and this would be a pretty good trolling gimmick to take up and use against gewns if it weren't true. Mittens whole strategy is Gewns lose battle but win wars so its pretty clear that the hand of gewndor is being withheld so that the full force can be later applied at some mythical date or ~line in the sand~. Only that ~line~ seems to be moved back here lately and as ground is lost so is sheer counter ability. But alas Mittens is paid to write eve blogs so who am I to challenge his knowledge. Also for the record I still ? some Mittens but space ~Frienemies~ and all that jazz.
Edit* All of this doesn't matter because there will always be people like you who enjoy building sandcastles in space and there will always be people like PL who enjoy kicking your sandcastle over.
No i don't realize it but it seems you're mistaking me for a member of PL so you should probably ask someone else. Mind you i never blamed Vee for running from fights when he always had to fear a Supercap-hotdrop.
I don't see them bitching when they reply to complaints and trolls about them ruining every chance for GF simply because they have more Supercaps.
Idgi must be a troll. I take it i'm losing the forumwar because i'm actually replying to trolls instead of writing WOLOLOL U MIRIN R SUPERS
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