0.0 Politics Discussion

**Ralara** · 2011-06-21

Originally Posted by Malaclypse

I'd do with QYZM alone.

Sorry, that's taken

**poaw** · 2011-06-21

Originally Posted by tgr

I think you need to count a second time, that wasn't more than the NC used to defend their own space.

It is if you deliberately remove any instance of them using their supercaps from the count to prop up your argument.

**Endie** · 2011-06-22

Here's an unauthorised, uncensored update from the belly of the beast. I don't know how long I'll be able to stay on the air for: this is Endie, transmitting for Radio Free Goontopia...

I'm a maverick poster who gets results but I've been pushed too far

Since I last did an update, a long-lasting and incestuous institution, filed with corruption, backstabbing and with incompetent leaders whose ups and downs were closely followed by Goons everywhere, has come to an abrupt and sudden halt, surrounded by uncertainty and doubt. But enough about Game of Thrones. What about that dead NC, eh?

Proviso: I am not a director any more, an unhappy victim of the love triangles, white-knighting and political correctness of Illuminati 2011. However, I do love to never stop posting, and since literally 80% of the GIA intel sources on our neighbours and 90% on the rest of Eve currently come from Bat Country (via sneaky fuckers Gicer, Psykzz and Midge in particular) I still have access to a bit of info, so here is my unauthorised and unfunny update.

Incarna

In what is possibly the most dreary ever update to Eve Online - and let's not forget that it's up against some pretty stiff competition there - CCP servers went down for hours yesterday in order to allow you to warp to where a jump bridge used to be, get ganked and promptly find yourself back in the station walking in tight circles around a tiny, claustrophobic cupboard which you know would, in real life, quickly smell of arse. A bit like Wales, then. Especially since, like Cardiff, there is no functional toilet to be seen so you'll have to shit into your holographic dominix instead. Two thumbs up for the boys from Iceland!

Wildly Inappropriate to merge. More to follow?

Look, there are still over two thousand people in Wildly Inappropriate: just how hard can it be to find a couple of hundred who are vaguely tolerable? I would suggest following the Biblical example of Gideon and whittling down radically through a series of tests. First, grep their forums and boot anyone who ever used the word "m8". Next, remove anyone who was ever in an alliance the entire stated point of which was killing Goonswarm (don't worry Amok: it's not a retrospective rule!). Finally, ask them each for a 300 million ISK secruity deposit, which will sort out the hopelessly gullible and finger-countingly stupid while also funding us to hire PL to kill someone - anyone - who is not us. If anyone passes all three tests without soiling themselves in confusion, they're in.

The New North

The Old North was a morass of blues and non-invasion pacts that spanned two entire sides of the map and was run by remote and corrupt autocrats who embezzled technetium while hiding behind an invincible wall of supercapitals and broken game mechanics. The New North, of course, is totally different. Completely. I mean, OK, so maybe they're a little blue to their their neighbours: but no more than a few tens of thousands, mark you. And yes, I grant you, they settle disputes over who gets which director gets which tech moon through cosy chats and orders from Psyhozz rather than fights, while checking up with White Noise that they are allowed to do so. But they do it in a very, very elite peeveepeeing fashion, and that makes all the difference.

Someone like Raiden living in the new north, for example, is completely at liberty to invade anyone they like. Anyone: the world is very much their oyster. Tiny caveat - hardly worth mentioning this in fact: just so long as the target aren't in Tribute. Oh... or Branch. Tribute or Branch, then. Well, obviously Tenal and Vale are right out, as is Geminate. And it would be silly to invade Kalavela, Malpais, Perrigen Falls, Oasa, Etherium Reach, Outer Passage or The Spire. Nor Insmother, Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek, Immensea, Cache, Providence or Detorid: that's crazy talk. But the rest of Eve - and lets not forget that that leaves literally several 0.0 regions and virtually all of Empire - is their playground.

Oh God that just leaves us, doesn't it?

It's not so long since we were in their exact situation. In good faith, we tried to persuade the NC to time for US timezones, to rationalise around a single fleet doctrine and so on. Our failure to do so (as can be seen from the razor log leaks that Solo made searchable our attempts at liaison in fact usually managed to do little more than put various preening and e-important peoples' backs up) has been a blessing in a very flimsy disguise, since we no longer have to travel all the way to the drone regions just to get a fight. Boat, Halosponge and others have run several cockfagging ops recently so if you are just logging in for strategic ops, for POS shots and to watch as poorly-configured Mostly Harmless tech moons are gathered hungrily into the Teutonic maw of Ev0ke then you are missing out.

Oh Fuck Are We Going To Die?

If enough people come for us then we will lose our space. That is no different from any other time in Eve. In Delve we lived perfectly happily with neutrals in one direction and the best part of a dozen regions full of hostiles in the other without responding to every reinforced moon with a combination of evacuation and whimpering paranoia, and there is no reason why that shouldn't be the case again.

So will a big enough coalition come for us? Well, while doing the GIA thing, barely a day went past without being PMed by someone whose best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ev0ke given Deklein at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. All I can promise is that we will not last in Deklein until the servers go dark: Eve is supposed to be about conflict. And there aren't a huge number of regions left that the new north are allowed to fight. But we have a pretty dominant subcap fleet, a uniquely strong US Timezone and, in Vee and Vily, two of the best FCs in the game, so unless a massive coalition of supercapitals all decide that they want nothing to fight before Fountain then we'll have to try pretty hard to throw this one away. Which we probably will. Some of Pure Blind are probably pretty fucked, though.

Other Regions

One of the reasons that Eve is actually pretty fun right now is that everything is in flux. However, that makes for a deliciously confusing Eve map, so here is a quick tour of the rest of Eve, packed as it is with the non-Puregoon refuse and floatsam of the game.

In Fountain, Montolio, who plays the role of the relentlessly ADD friend who is always first to suggest that we punch a bouncer or steal a car from our aunt or something, got bored pretty quickly at not running a horrible alliance and is increasingly involved in the affairs of Test once more. I know that he has various antics in mind and unless someone gets very serious about attacking their assets and forces Test into serious business mode then I'd tip Test for some vintage retardation over the next month or so.

Delve - and to a lesser extent Querious - is a mess, and quite deliberately so on the part of the occupants. You have twelve sov holders in Delve alone, many of them neutral to most of the rest, along with various interlopers like Delvegoons. Regional powers like Test and Nulli Secunda have resisted the temptation to expand there, while Morsus Mihi and other northern refugees are merrily blueing up all and sundry in order to ensure that they feel at home: "Never knowingly outnumbered" being their constant motto. It's a fragile balance of power and will, sadly, never last, but for now it is enjoyably chaotic and unpredictable.

In the far South, things are quiet. Almost too quiet... When everything started to go south (so to speak) for the NC, Stainwagon wisely cut back on provocative acts like, oh, taking White Noise space in the south and killing their baby supercaps. They got as far as Tenerifis and Omist but, having gutted huge swathes of CSAAs and taken tracts of space, they stopped at Detorid, which remains in the hands of people like Raiden and White Noise. There is a huge amount of bad blood between the eastern Russians and the southern Russians (not that any group of Russians is overflowing with the milk of human kindness for any other group of Russians in Eve) so it would be pretty unsurprising to see PL hired to go south at some point in the nearish future in order to redress the balance in the south. That probably depends to an extent on how that offer compares with milking tech moons or being paid to hit us or our neighbours: PL, like everyone else, needs money, given that just moving their supercap fleet around the map can cost billions. Their Fountain reserves can only last so long, and Outbreak and Hydra taking the Alliance Tournament means that that traditional source of income didn't happen.

Providence - NCDot decided that owning a swathe of the technetium bonanza which is the north made keeping Providence a teensy bit redundant. They therefore cut a deal with CVA to perform a handover, while allowing their CSAAs to finish their builds. Blah blah Amarr Victor who really gives a shit?

Executive Summary

Goons are fuelled by hatred and this update is perhaps a little chill, so let me therefore remind you that Raiden are coffee-coloured, communist dungfuckers who will gladly chop up your little sister to celebrate the start of Ramadan given half a chance.

**Aelith** · 2011-06-22

Originally Posted by Groundhog

In Fountain, Montolio, who plays the role of the relentlessly ADD friend who is always first to suggest that we punch a bouncer or steal a car from our aunt or something.

Man i wish less of my friends were like this....

**Checkbox Poll** · 2011-06-22

Originally Posted by Aelith

Man i wish less of my friends were like this....

They're the most fun though.

**Wusti** · 2011-06-23

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

They're the most fun though.

The man speaks truth.

**Endie** · 2011-06-23

hey that was my thousandth post too the same day as i hit 4,500 on goonswarm I'm on fire i tell you

**Thirsty McDrinkerston** · 2011-06-23

By the way TEST has ADHD

**Shangpo** · 2011-06-24

Originally Posted by Thirsty McDrinkerston

By the way TEST has Durrhurrdurr

fixed

**Iratus** · 2011-06-30

Dear fucking lord... 6 fucking days and not even a single shitpost here? Not even Securitas trying to say that some npc nullsec gank is worthy of being discussed here? You are literaly fuck, all of you.

**Pripyat** · 2011-06-30

It's like people never experienced Sov-War before not realizing that it's always coming in several stages of boredom.

**Makia Velli** · 2011-06-30

I´m desperately trying to put another political summary together, but so much goin on and rumors & innuendo flying around

Work in progress..

**Securitas** · 2011-06-30

Originally Posted by Iratus

Dear fucking lord... 6 fucking days and not even a single shitpost here? Not even Securitas trying to say that some npc nullsec gank is worthy of being discussed here? You are literaly fuck, all of you.

We are elite pvpers sir. We do not gank.

**Iratus** · 2011-06-30

Originally Posted by Securitas

We are elite pvpers sir. We do not gank.

I apologize and will keep that in mind.

But really, I know nullsec sits on it's collective ass from time to time, but I'm bored as fuck of the monocle shitstorm, stuck at home, my mind is clouded with opiate painkillers, and bored as fuck because my laptop can't run anything fun.... someone backstab someone else so I can read some tears, fuck.

**Pripyat** · 2011-07-01

HAHAHA i just took a look at Brick Squad on Dotlan to see what the fuss is about and how many of Majesta actually joined and the real Bricks are outnumbered 4:1 by UNIT and MAGE-washouts in their own alliance WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED

**Kesper North** · 2011-07-01

Jelly Kings [JERKI]

I have no words.

**Phey Onat** · 2011-07-01

Originally Posted by Iratus

I apologize and will keep that in mind.

But really, I know nullsec sits on it's collective ass from time to time, but I'm bored as fuck of the monocle shitstorm, stuck at home, my mind is clouded with opiate painkillers, and bored as fuck because my laptop can't run anything fun.... someone backstab someone else so I can read some tears, fuck.

Something is suppose to happen in the next 24 hours, i think vOv

**tgr** · 2011-07-01

You mean like the NC marching westward?

**Kireiina** · 2011-07-01

PL is lured into a trap by the other northern land-holders envious of its e-fame, threatened by its power and coveting its technetium. Soon after the daggers are out and the North erupts into a civil war as the ruins of titans dot the sky and brother turns against brother.

.... just kidding, the people with power and momentum on their side will stomp anything that even vaguely looks like opposition.

**Kaeydan** · 2011-07-01

Originally Posted by Iratus

Dear fucking lord... 6 fucking days and not even a single shitpost here? Not even Securitas trying to say that some npc nullsec gank is worthy of being discussed here? You are literaly fuck, all of you.

I thought it was the evil NC empire that made nullsec the hand-holding fag-a-thon that EVE turned into?

Sad that MM had to wait to get shot between the eyes before they pulled the pin on the NC.

**Endie** · 2011-07-01

Meh one group of blued-up faggots huddled in supercaps in the north has been replaced by a slightly-different group of blued-up faggots huddled in supercaps in the north. At least we aren't in this sea of blues this time. Eve is cyclical: I'm excited by the pretty obvious trajectory we're on and would loathe being stuck in Tenal or Branch staring at ROL-style, logistically-enforced pethood-until-death.

**Don Peyote** · 2011-07-01

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Meh one group of blued-up faggots huddled in supercaps in the north has been replaced by a slightly-different group of blued-up faggots huddled in supercaps in the north. At least we aren't in this sea of blues this time. Eve is cyclical: I'm excited by the pretty obvious trajectory we're on and would loathe being stuck in Tenal or Branch staring at ROL-style, logistically-enforced pethood-until-death.

Being in UNIT did look pretty shit

**Combat Scrub** · 2011-07-01

I wanna know who is getting Cloud Ring with the end of WI. I'm sure Ev0ke will be hunting their old grounds again, but dammit building stations in Assilot made it really hard for me to ninja out some gas for boosters

**Don Peyote** · 2011-07-01

Originally Posted by Combat Scrub

I wanna know who is getting Cloud Ring with the end of WI. I'm sure Ev0ke will be hunting their old grounds again, but dammit building stations in Assilot made it really hard for me to ninja out some gas for boosters

Likely it will be absorbed into GSF, it's a key logistical pipe from Fountain to Dek

I just want to know what will happen to Fade...

**Elo** · 2011-07-02

it will ~fade~ away

**Don Peyote** · 2011-07-02

Spacefriends, shitposters, countrymen. I bring sad news. The bedott'd scourge, Babylon 5.., has returned to the renting game.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/A8A-JN

We must all show our support for captainktainer in this dark time, and endeavour to keep him from (or helping him in) launching a personal attack on A8A-.

**jaxx** · 2011-07-03

0.0 seems quite dead.

**Manfred Hideous** · 2011-07-03

Originally Posted by jaxx

0.0 seems quite dead.

When the DRF owns all of null, I think lowsec will be revitalized. We have that going for us.

**Kireiina** · 2011-07-03

Solves the problem of super-cap proliferation too.

**HandofSatan [banned]** · 2011-07-03

Originally Posted by jaxx

0.0 seems quite dead.

Russians and NC. still shooting structures. Nobody else makes content. /shrug

**Dunarad** · 2011-07-03

We just have some nice fights with RA and pets.
Also : we need a thread for Curse and surroundings.

http://kb.redalliance.ru/?op=related&id=507303

**Internet Spaceships** · 2011-07-03

Originally Posted by Dunarad

We just have some nice fights with RA and pets.
Also : we need a thread for Curse and surroundings.

http://kb.redalliance.ru/?op=related&id=507303

Glad to see that 404 found a nice home elsewhere

**Zod** · 2011-07-04

So, I see WTF have transferred all their stations & sov to a 3 man corp littlefinger Ltd. Anyone know where they're packing up for?

**Lake** · 2011-07-04

Edit:

Derp. Nevermind.

Instead have a link to my post in the What was EVE like in the first year or two? thread.

**Dunarad** · 2011-07-04

Originally Posted by Zod

So, I see WTF have transferred all their stations & sov to a 3 man corp littlefinger Ltd. Anyone know where they're packing up for?

They are becoming RA pets => http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10075504

**Wusti** · 2011-07-04

Originally Posted by Dunarad

They are becoming RA pets => http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10075504

Holy hell!!! If I knew they were going to shoot those ex-RAGE fags I'd give them standings and go with them! Dang it Sage - why didn't you tell me???

**Buxton** · 2011-07-04

10 people from wtf. I hope that wasn't a CTA fleets they called.

Edit

http://eve-wtf.com/killboard/?a=kill...d&kll_id=73382

That must have nulled the mood

It looks like he was moving peoples ships, tengu and everything, Ouch

**Zod** · 2011-07-04

Originally Posted by Buxton

10 people from wtf. I hope that wasn't a CTA fleets they called.

Edit

http://eve-wtf.com/killboard/?a=kill...d&kll_id=73382

That must have nulled the mood

It looks like he was moving peoples ships, tengu and everything, Ouch

They have the Jumpfreighter valued at about 2B on their KB

**Jean Leaner** · 2011-07-04

I'll catch a bunch of shit at once with this post. First I'll crosspost my post from 5 or so days ago on foreplay here explaining what WTF is doing and how we're going to become terrible terrible RA pets *ohnoes*

Originally Posted by Necronian

Renters, not so much, we have a distinct philosophy that if we don't take it ourselves we sure as fuck won't be paying for it. Saying that we are leaving the north, quite honestly living in pure blind is literally killing our alliance. We've gone from having the ability to field 100 man EU and US timezone fleets pre-Sanctum nerf, to being lucky if we can hit 50, as well as seeing a 50% membership drop. We decided that it was time to leave, as because even though tech is good(really fucking good), the space we lived in and the series of events of the last 4 months(Sanctum nerf, Collapse of the NC, etc.) have been a strain on the corps and alliance, and has caused corps bled members every day. Given a few months in Pure blind we surely would have died as corps, with the exception of sages corp his dudes didn't mind it for some reason v0v.

So after all of that rhetoric about WHY we're leaving PB, on to the meat of what we're going to be doing. We're going down south, what region exactly I won't tell you, but it will be plain soon enough. We're going to be blueing up RA and we're going to assist in the retaking of all of the southern space and claiming a region for ourselves in the process. The plan afterwards is to build ourselves into the best damn alliance we can possibly be. We want to become a good alliance, this is a breakout method we're going to give a go at doing that. I can say that we'll be labeled by the community at large as pets, its inevitable. However, from my and our alliance POV, this is a great move. It will generate content for us, let us facestomp retarded -A- renters(and -A-) and could be just the thing we need to make ourselves into a respected alliance. Where we land in six months to a year, who knows, all I know is I'm incredibly fucking excited to actually go on an offensive for once. Goodbye Pure blind, I won't miss the region, but I will miss fleeting up with petyr and my brosef's in goons. You dudes were good to us and we wish you the best.

Now on to the JF loss. That was quite fun tbh, The pilot actually showed docked on his client 30 seconds before the nyx actually killed him

The system also completely lagged out when ONE NYX jumped in. :CCP: Is definitely stepping up the "war on lag" if one nyx manages to lag out a system. Is it really valued at 2b on our killboards? Thats p. bad its truly a 7b loss with the assets inside of it. At least it was just one dudes assets though, didn't want those anyways? No not really, we really did want them.

Post questions if you feel like it, I'll try to keep checking back and answer them with as much as Sage won't flip out on me for saying.

**Zod** · 2011-07-04

well tbh the only other thing I'll say is that things can only improve for the alliance with Lucian & his minions departed.....

**Jean Leaner** · 2011-07-04

Originally Posted by Zod

well tbh the only other thing I'll say is that things can only improve for the alliance with Lucian & his minions departed.....

Doing leadership-type shit in this alliance literally became easy the day he left.

**Dunarad** · 2011-07-04

Just tell RA to stop jumping titans every time we got a fight. Yesterday we kept a few tackled but honestly, you can't do shit in your 150 dudes against 20 + ms and 7 titans.
And, yeah, i know that this is not even a fraction of the supers they can put on the field.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2011-07-05

i know lets have a supers discussion in this thread too

**Makia Velli** · 2011-07-05

I was waiting to see who would it be to land on Detorid

We were a bit dissappointed to see you leave Controlled Chaos. It was so much fun to fight you guys.

**Buxton** · 2011-07-05

Can WTF live without their income that payed for a SRP that was pretty ok or even good. I think you took a big hit in PB and your now heading towards and even bigger hit in your pvp participation. Before lucian ran off some isk, he was kinda of a uniting figure, even though he really didn't do as much as he thinks in his head in terms of daily Fcing.

The alliance is going to be even more poor and won't give its members the benefits they have come to enjoy and depend on. You guys have not lived in a situation where u didn't have a jew gold income stream. Its toxic and builds false confidence. I wish you luck but I predict failure. The alliance was given its space in PB, it was given its tec pos and won others because of the a massive support by their former NC overlords. You don't have a history of fighting a war and claiming consistant wins and eventual space holder-ship.

I don't wish to compare them as they are quite different but its like fidelas constans moving from PB and thinking it was possible to fight for space else where as they are right now.

**Jean Leaner** · 2011-07-05

Originally Posted by Buxton

Can WTF live without their income that payed for a SRP that was pretty ok or even good. I think you took a big hit in PB and your now heading towards and even bigger hit in your pvp participation. Before lucian ran off some isk, he was kinda of a uniting figure, even though he really didn't do as much as he thinks in his head in terms of daily Fcing.

The alliance is going to be even more poor and won't give its members the benefits they have come to enjoy and depend on. You guys have not lived in a situation where u didn't have a jew gold income stream. Its toxic and builds false confidence. I wish you luck but I predict failure. The alliance was given its space in PB, it was given its tec pos and won others because of the a massive support by their former NC overlords. You don't have a history of fighting a war and claiming consistant wins and eventual space holder-ship.

I don't wish to compare them as they are quite different but its like fidelas constans moving from PB and thinking it was possible to fight for space else where as they are right now.

We're leaving with enough isk and ship stockpiles to run SRP for at least two months with no income coming in, and we're going to a member rich area where members can make isk and will end up participating because space directly affects their income. We've already seen the number of people online rise and the numbers in fleets start to pick up, and we haven't even finished moving.