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    Confirming that there are just as many stupid people in Europe. We are just slightly more discreet about it.

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    Those clearly aren't in American sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by true View Post
    Not much to ask as many of them genuinely think America has beaten USSR in WW2. Well I think it's because europeans are in constant contact with other cultures while canada on one side and mexica on the other can be hardly called such.
    Yes, I unironically and completely believe that Jesus lives at the core of the Earth, Texas is a seperate country (although still counts as America) along with the Hawaii (which does not). I take offense to you saying "we live in constant contact with other cultures....while Canada and Mexico can hardly be called such".
    I don't understand what point you were trying to make, but it was lost around when you decided to cultures on sliding scale of value as far as contact was concerned. If you can do it, then I can just as easily write-off all of Europe as "White people, some more white people, slightly lighter white people, slightly darker white people, and some white people in the East that everyone seems to dislike even though they look like all the other white people."

    Being "there" isn't required to form an opinion on something. That doesn't mean it'll necessarily be accurate, but I don't see anyone stopping themselves and saying "Hey I want to spend some of my holiday in Gitmo, just to get a feel for the real culture there." This isn't the court of law, I don't have to give Pol Pot's Cambodia the benefit of the doubt. The onus is on them to prove that their country should in some regard be emulated.

    European multiculturalism extends right up to the point of a handful of slightly non-white people wearing funny hats with funny smelling food so you can say, "Some of my best friends are X." As soon as they stop being a novelty it's back to "national identity", bans, and "solutions".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaclypse View Post
    Because ultimately you believe that only you have the right for a democratic elected sovereign nation; ask Allende how that worked out for Chile... and a few other Southern American countries. Because it's not "Here" it doesn't mean you can mess around "There" as you please.
    Straight bullshit. Nothing he's said that makes that remotely likely or your belief in it remotely justifiable. You are literally just making it up. He discussed the reason why we have countries; you translated that into a belief that only one is fit for a certain belief system. It makes no sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malaclypse View Post
    Not to mention that you apparently don't really "understand" that Europeans aren't generally patriotic; because if, you wouldn't link vocal critizism with citizenship. I know, it's been the pro-Bush's and then tea-baggers' line for almost a decade now. But factually an open discussion about the actions of its government is far more healthy for a nation than simply nodding and yelling "Hell yeah, we're the greatest". ... Not that we've had any first-hand experiences with such or anything here in Europe.
    You think we don't criticize our government? Have you even glanced at CNN digging out anybody they can to shit on Obama over the bin Laden raid? Do you even know domestic American politics at all?

    The difference you are failing to grasp is that we value the concept of the loyal opposition, just as the Brits once did. We believe that, regardless of what is currently going on, the country itself can and must be given the support necessary to endure. We vocally do not believe that we should throw away the series to win the game. This is not uncommon in most places, but you seem so stunned that it should surface when we are not under duress, where it only does in Europe today in the midst of national disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RansomList View Post
    Those clearly aren't in American sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    You think we don't criticize our government? Have you even glanced at CNN digging out anybody they can to shit on Obama over the bin Laden raid? Do you even know domestic American politics at all?

    The difference you are failing to grasp is that we value the concept of the loyal opposition, just as the Brits once did. We believe that, regardless of what is currently going on, the country itself can and must be given the support necessary to endure. We vocally do not believe that we should throw away the series to win the game.
    Have you actually paid any attention to US politics over the last decade? The right has been unequivocal in painting the left as anti-American at every turn, while the left paint the right as crazed fuckwits who will destroy the union. I've been following US politics for a long time, and I've never seen anything even close to the rabid partisanship that's currently so blatant over there.

    Then again when you had Fox news openly discussing the case for civil war about 5 minutes after your first black president got elected, and a 'Tea Party' full of poor old folks on Medicare rushing to support a billionaire's crusade to lower taxes on the rich and slash benefits to poor old folks, looking for logic in US politics seems a pretty faint hope at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolDrake View Post
    Have you actually paid any attention to US politics over the last decade? The right has been unequivocal in painting the left as anti-American at every turn, while the left paint the right as crazed fuckwits who will destroy the union. I've been following US politics for a long time, and I've never seen anything even close to the rabid partisanship that's currently so blatant over there.

    Then again when you had Fox news openly discussing the case for civil war about 5 minutes after your first black president got elected, and a 'Tea Party' full of poor old folks on Medicare rushing to support a billionaire's crusade to lower taxes on the rich and slash benefits to poor old folks, looking for logic in US politics seems a pretty faint hope at the moment.
    lol, what a wild exaggeration. You are too focused on the extremes.

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    Go tell the extremists to stfu more, then we might hear about some of the less extreme people. You can maybe start with the good leaders in Florida who are apparently about to pass a bill forbidding pediatricians from talking about gun safety with parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolDrake View Post
    Go tell the extremists to stfu more, then we might hear about some of the less extreme people. You can maybe start with the good leaders in Florida who are apparently about to pass a bill forbidding pediatricians from talking about gun safety with parents.
    What business does a pediatrician have talking about gun safety? Like they don't have enough patients to take care of and they need to be doing anything else but treating their patients. I hope the bill passes, then pediatricians can focus on their job without being distracted. Kids get shot a few times a year because their parents are stupid. Well, you can't fix stupid. Shit happens.

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    So you don't think there's any possible positive outcomes to a pediatrician mentioning to inexperienced parents that if they have guns it might be a good idea to keep them properly secured? You think that its a good thing to pass a law actually FORBIDDING them from mentioning the subject? You don't think the lobbying from groups like the NRA might have had an effect on this bill coming to pass?

    Seriously dude, if a pediatrician mentioning gun care saves one kid from shooting themselves or their friends in a gun related accident then how is it a bad thing?

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    I'd suggest not arming stupid people, but that poses other problems as to what you do with the police force
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodooidol View Post
    I think its more because Europeans went way OTT on the patriotism towards the start of the Twentieth century and everyone starting acting like retards which caused two enormous wars.
    This, we have seen where nationalism gets you. Its basically a weird sort of religeon which makes people do stupid things. Each to their own i say but when euros pass judgement on yanks for their patriotism and yanks pass judgement on euros for their lack of said patriotism its just people being tards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolDrake View Post
    So you don't think there's any possible positive outcomes to a pediatrician mentioning to inexperienced parents that if they have guns it might be a good idea to keep them properly secured? You think that its a good thing to pass a law actually FORBIDDING them from mentioning the subject? You don't think the lobbying from groups like the NRA might have had an effect on this bill coming to pass?

    Seriously dude, if a pediatrician mentioning gun care saves one kid from shooting themselves or their friends in a gun related accident then how is it a bad thing?
    There weren't any bestiality laws in my home state until very recently. Why? Because there wasn't some high profile case of bestiality that caught everybody's attention until recently. Animal cruelty laws had been enough.

    It's usually some incident that provokes the creation of stupid laws. Laws that enforce what should be common sense or standards of decency. So, I wonder what triggered the creation of this bill? Probably some anti-gun pediatrician douche-bag involved with some form of on-the-job activism bullshit.

    His job is to treat and care for the health of children. He gets paid to do this and nothing else. When talking to the guardians and/or parents of his patients he should only be talking about the health of the child and things directly related to it like diet or hygiene for example.

    When I'm at a clients home or place of business. I don't talk about social issues that I care about. It's not my place and I'd probably get in trouble if I made a habit of it since I'm being payed to provide a service and that is all.

    Because I am so sick of the nanny state mentality, the "OMG save the children, if it saves one life it's worth it" bullshit, I hope it passes out of pure spite.

    Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolDrake View Post
    Seriously dude, if a pediatrician mentioning gun care saves one kid from shooting themselves or their friends in a gun related accident then how is it a bad thing?
    What in a pediatrician's training makes him a competent authority on firearms safety?
    That law is a reaction to the practice of HMOs requiring doctors to advise their patients about firearms safety even though almost to a man, they had no expertise on the matter what so ever. They have no formal or even informal training on the matter. If the situation were reversed and a firearms instructor was giving advice on cardiovascular health to a man with a potentially fatal heart problem then it would be a simple matter to prosecute them. It' s a political move, met by a political countermove. As are most things in the public eye when "But the children!" is used as justification.

    You're attaching emotional wight to it because it's a "gun" issue. Swimming pool accidents kill more children than firearms accidents but the doctor's aren't advising parents about swimming pool safety and accident prevention, instead they are wasting time (which is ultimately finite) advising about a lesser danger. Why? If saving even one child is worth surely saving eight or nine is also just as worth it. Nevermind that the doctor isn't a lifeguard, and might not even know how to swim.

    You accuse the US of succumbing to hysterical politics, then immediately launch into a bit of your own.

    Once again, this conversation points to the fact that our differing belief systems, values and cultures makes it a wonderful thing that we live in totally separate countries, with no reason to share in internal policy.

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