[B]I PAID 25 EUROS FOR A SIG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS SHITTY TROLL ATTEMPT[/B]
In [s]soviet russia[/s] Kosovo 2011 serbs killin serbs20:40 Circle-of-Two vs WILD BOARS 20:40
P.S. also looking forward to watch darkside vs AAA
Red Federation did so well, though they should have focused on the Scimitar right off the bat!
Leaked PL secrete ship for the finals....you heard it here first.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Revenge is a dish best Served up Cold.
Playing PL commercial after PL loses to Darkside is the best troll of the day so far.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
nice job darkside. very convincing win.
im rather new to this whole AT thing, what just happened?
also: pretty funny shadoo being one slip away from outright bursts of laughter while commenting
Mfume Apocal - Origin. - Black Legion.
Someone forgot to light that cyno for PL to win.. loved shadoo's fits of hysteria too
I am sure there is going to be a lot of trolling on pl comms in the following days
DarkSide performed really well. Whoever knows them though is not surprised about their efficiency.
GF, 0utbreak, you guys earned your win -- your practicing paid off.
Dental Floss - Origin. - Black Legion.
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I thought they were gonna try to break the PCU record tonight? They're 10k off.
Oh what the hell WE FORM VOLTRON you should of won that.
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very gay final going on. shame.
throwing the match, some of us could've bet billions ~_~
I only saw the end, what did 0utbreak field? Other than the Clay/Thrasher?
What a perfect ending.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
did shadoo say armor hacs yet?
The tears on the eve-o forums are spectacular.
"worst alliance tournament ever, i hope this last 3 alliances get theyr alliances disbanded and desqualified cause this is a sport and a competition not something u metagaming, and arrange until the final . what a rip off totally lost me has a viewer of alliance tournaments THIS USED TO BE SOMETHING THAT ALL CAPSULERS HOPE FOR !! and now u broke it CCP , when u allow this type off behavior . and those "expert" comemtators plz go get verone cause this guys suck!!"
Dear Sirs and Madams
I am an avid EVE player, and me along with my PvP hungry corp and alliance mates, as did 20,000 other players, watched your AT 9 event with great enthusiasm till we got to the final.
As we watched the final unfold and the tragic farce played out, I could only think to myself about how impotent CCP is when you stand by and allow something like this to happen.
You are impotent not because you don't have a big act, its because you can't get the big act up. Up to the standards of this event that thousands of us have come to expect.
AT 9 will go down in our collective memories as the worst tournament ever, against the spirit of everything its stands for, against the very foundation of competition that it sought to create.
If you have any concern for the way this final was rigged, you will withhold or retract the prize money and awards and ban these two corporations from the next tournament."
could have been so much better
Zastrow, Shadoo, on the behalf of my pants (that I'm not wearing) I'd like to thank you for your very good work for this alliance tournament.
Was a pleasure to watch and I'm sure your adopted kid will turn out juuuuuuust fine.
Daroh > I've bought a telescope, watching you guys fly in eve from my place )))
Were I HYDRA/Outbreak, I'd be walking around with Charlie Sheen levels of right about now.
can't believe i missed last few rounds. What exactly is everyone raging about?
[spoiler]I liked the pre person title better :tinfoil:[/spoiler]
We only had roughly 30-40 minutes to decide what to do, sort out the fittings and all that. We decided to make a "spectacular" match by having both teams fly a high dps and no ecm setup. During our testing, our Vindicator setup VS Minmarush was always a very close match, so we went for that.
Unfortunatly, things didn't go as planned and the minmatar team was expecting to die too fast, so they overloaded everything while the Vindicator team was only shooting with half of their guns to make the fun last a little bit. After a moment of confusion, we moved to their channel on TS and tried to engineer an edge-of-seat moment by having a single Vindicator kill 2-3 command ships and whatnot. We're bad actors and well, it just didn't look good on TV (and we apologize for that), but we don't really care because I guess the MASSIVE amount of tears on Eve-o easily makes up for it.
Well done guys.
getting in 2 teams for one group and manipulating matches is just fucked up.
The revelation that the final involved an attempt to appear genuine is shocking. You guys suck.
That was a lame tournament. Came expecting a cool fight. Left wondering why CCP even bothers with the whole damn thing.
Final match was akin to getting 19 pilots together and completing deadspace plex together for a hundred of BPC.
WE FORM VOLTRON vs RAZOR Alliance was the most interesting fight in that evening, being in quarter finals. The small white paper questions from the commentators to CCP devs were funny as hell - i love staged discussions. Also props to Shadoo for constant smug to Zastro and his "blues are best" statements. The statement from CCP whateverhisnamewas that 3rd party developers asked CCP to introduce the whole licence shit was pretty stupid. At least Michael Bolton III wasn't commentating anymore, fail was prevented.
I really do not get why people get so butthurt about the final. This alliance tournament was a perfect indication on how easy things become when you spend the required effort and time to win this thing. Hydra and 0utbreak pretty much manhandled everyone and destroyed the opposition. Mad props to them.
On the other hand I can easily see why people get :upset: on the forums. It is much easier to do that, than getting for 2 months or so in a wh in sisi and practice to kick their asses.
They ended it the way they should have. Not giving a shit whether they entertain others or not. It is not as if they had to give a show or whatever.
The only thing out of tune was the apology letter by amber in the forums. Unless it was done to extract tears
Here's a really good write-up on how Hydra pulled it off. Really shows the lengths they went to. Posted by Duncan of Genos on FHC and Eve-O forums. Worth reading in full IMO.
The planning for this started back when Genos was in Pandemic Legion. The alliance was talking about the alliance tournament and discussing how multiple teams should be fielded because we had so many capable pilots. Genos were new to the alliance and we knew that if we stayed we would be relegated to having maybe only Garmon flying on their A team (Shamis choosing only pilots he knew) and a few of us on the B team.
Having lost to PL under the Hydra ticker in the previous year Genos wanted another shot against PL but with Gobbins having taken the active Exceed members with him to PL we weren't sure if we had enough people to even practice. In addition, after Genos left for PL all of the Hydra corps went their own way and we didn't know if they'd come back. We had a thread discussing what we should do on our corp forums and a lot of our members told us not to bother and to throw our lot in with PL because we didn't have a chance with the current state of our inactive corp and Hydra not existing.
The voices that wanted to give this a shot eventually prevailed. Last year was our first time and we didn't know what we were doing besides Gobbins. Gobbins had taught us and we learned from PL's spying and meta-gaming. We were going to do this as Hydra and we were going to do it properly. We approached PODLA, Euphoria Released, The Deliberate Forces, 0utbreak and The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels about a tournament run with Hydra. They all agreed and came back to the reformed Hydra.
Logistics and Setting up Testing
Last year PL spied heavily on our tests and provided the teams we faced with intel on our setups. We didnít want any attention from them this year. We planned to do this in two ways. First we setup a wormhole to do all our testing and second we told everyone involved to not get involved in any public discussions about the alliance tournament and make it seem that we werenít taking it seriously and instead busying ourselves playing other games like HoN, Tanks, LoL, etc.
We canít be sure how effective we were in making people think we werenít busy testing when we were but we did what we could. For example: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1514338/page/all
The wormhole thing was definitely effective though. However, setting up testing in a wormhole isn't trivial. You have to find an appropriate wormhole without any effects so you can perform accurate tests (can take hours of probing). You need a wormhole that has a static empire exit for manageable logistics however this also means that nothing bigger than an Orca can haul (20+ Orca runs were done multiple times). You need to set up a POS with multiple corporate hangers and ship maintenance arrays. You need all the characters you are testing with to be in the same corp with director roles so they can use them. You need to fill the hangers with all the ships, implants, scripts, charges and drones for every setup as well as every module you could possibly need. In addition we needed to get all of our characters into the wormhole securely without being followed knowing that at the very least PL would be interested in getting intel on us. Every time the test server was mirrored this entire process had to be repeated all over again. We ended up repeating this process from scratch 5-6 times over the course of our testing. Each time setting up a wormhole could take up to 12 hours of constant logistics on the test server from finding an appropriate wormhole to setting it up. In once case the server was mirrored twice in a period of 3 days and our logistics guys had to CTA from work and school to setup the wormhole in time for the scheduled tests.
We started testing immediately after the rules were announced at the beginning of April and continued testing for almost 3 months straight 2 or 3 times a week and in the last two weeks we tested every single day.
It also should be noted that our team consisted of people from all over the world in different timezones. We had people from Australia, Russia, Germany, Finland, the UK and the rest of Europe, as well as Canada and the US. All of these people adjusting their schedules and making sacrifices to routinely meet at the same time to practice over a 3 month period. From the Aussies waking up at 3am to the Canadians and Americans taking time off work and school just to PRACTICE on singularity for this tournament.
0utbreak splits from Hydra
For the first week or two, participation was just barely good enough for us to get 20 pilots onto Singularity to test. Most of the people who said they were interested never showed up and a lot of the more well known names in Genos were completely absent from any testing and ended up not being a part of this.
Participation dropped off in the following weeks and we were cancelling tests because we didnít have enough pilots show up. We had to think of something to get people showing up to tests. With the actual tournament seemingly so far away there needed to be some motivation. We knew PL was planning to enter up to 3 teams so we thought why not get 0utbreak into their own alliance and have them enter as well? This would cause more 0utbreak pilots to be interested because now instead of 2 or 3 flying on the Hydra team a lot more of them would be able to participate in the tournament.
This was the key. Numbers shot back up and we were able to test with just over 20 people now showing up to test on a regular basis.
Itís worth mentioning that when 0utbreak joined Hydra it was picked up on in their Failheap recruitment thread and many correctly guessed it was for the tournament however Raivi who was PLís spymaster last year also commented on 0utbreak then leaving. This made us nervous that he would guess what was happening when we wanted to keep things quiet.
Now we also had to test for 5v5 setups as well as 10v10. Often we would not get enough numbers immediately and we would use the time to test 5v5 setups until people trickled in from all the different time zones to give us 20 people. This really helped our morale as well as there was something to do and people werenít wasting their time waiting for people to show.
Our base line setup for testing against was the Minmatar Rush. We lost to it last year and we decided that any setup that we came up with needed to beat it as well as be good against other setups or it was scraped. We tested against Minmatar Rush so often that we became extremely good at flying it and we came to understand it better than I believe even PL does.
Since Minmatar Rush was such a good setup we could only come up with four or five other setups that could beat it and werenít simply hard counters but were also good setups within themselves.
Over the course of our testing we came up with 40 unique setups not including variations and tested about half of them against each other and against the strongest setups from last year.
PL started testing for their five man matches about a month after we had. As soon as PL started testing we spread covert alts all over Singularity and had a spy team monitoring the map for activity outside the main testing system 6-C. We had one or two guys actively monitoring in most time zones and constantly checking for any tournament testing activity from PL or anyone else. We didnít want to miss anything significant from anyone who took the tournament seriously.
We recorded everything we saw. The teams that concerned us the most were PLís B-team Goonswarm, PL themselves and Darkside.
We saw only a single singularity Darkside test very early on before they did the same as we did and moved into a wormhole. After that Darkside was pretty much completely off the radar and we couldnít get any intel on them. However their green online status lights would often serve as a reminder of their presence during late nights while we monitored other teams as they continually tested like us.
PLís B-team Goonswarm tested 5 man setups with some regularity. Initially we only intended to use the intel for ideas or to be prepared in case they were matched up against 0utbreak who also needed to qualify.
PLís main team began testing soon after in FDZ. We were surprised that they werenít hiding their tests at first and with everything we were doing ourselves there were even some suggestions that PL was completely one upping us and that everything we were seeing were fake tests for our benefit and that the real tests were happening in a wormhole somewhere. The effort required to do this made it a pretty foolish notion but I thought it worth mentioning because it was kind of funny with how paranoid some of our spies were.
In one incident one of the PL members Nestor told the Black Legion team captain ookke that theyíd be testing and we had logged in a covert ops character at the same time (ElectricEye) oblivious to this exchange to find PL testing. This made PL believe that the character belonged to ookke and as soon as we found out they thought it was someone else we scrambled to get in touch with ookke and get him to play along. Were not sure how long they believed this but for a while at least they believed it was Black Legion spying on them and not Hydra.
We began disrupting their tests within the rules of singularity at first by ship scanning them during testing. Things escalated and we ended up using throw away characters that we didnít mind having banned as a result of their actions to disrupt tests in more annoying ways. After a few days we stopped doing this and just went back to monitoring their tests.
Sometimes they would titan bridge away and we would have locators on stand-by and multiple coverts stationed around geminate to get there quickly while watching the map for active cynos. Other times they spammed loads of ships into the system and tested in deep safes making them difficult to probe down. We responded by getting in system early and scanning the existing ship results and ignoring them before they logged on to test.
We took detailed notes and fraps of their tests and people joked that we knew what was going on in their tests better than our own. By the end we had about 10 pages about PLís tests and 5 pages on all other teams combined.
Meta Gaming Begins
With the preliminary stages starting we saw that PLís B-team would be up against the NC alliance WI. With what was going on in TQ with PL marauding through NCís space we thought that theyíd be willing to listen to our advice on how to approach their match with PL. We had a very good idea of what PL would bring with their Mini Minma Rush being tested frequently against various other setups and suggested to WI. that a similar team with Tengus instead would fare well against the Minmatar team. We didnít expect much at all and it was just one of those ďmight as well do something with this intelĒ. To our surprise WI. flew the setup well enough to shock Goonswarm and come out of the match with a win. Good job WI.
The majority of 0utbreak and Hydra had no idea that this intel was given to WI. Gobbins and fmercury who were both former Hydra members and now part of the Goonswarm team were teased relentlessly on our forums (they still had access) and asked how they could possibly lose. The few of us in the know felt a bit bad about this and tried to defend them but we couldnít reveal that we were behind this because we were still trying to keep a low profile about how much we were preparing.
This encouraged us and we stepped up the spying because now we had a chance to knock out one of the teams we were worried about before they even got to the group stage. To their credit Goonswarm adapted well and came up with a setup that would beat all of what was seen on the first day. Unfortunately for them itís not difficult to make a hard counter once you know exactly what you will fight. We explained to Majesta what they would face and how we felt they should approach it. We got WI. to vouch for our trustworthiness so that they would believe us. We gave them a very conservative setup that might not win but would for sure ensure that Goonswarm could not score the points they needed. Majesta completely ignored us and fielded Mini Minma Rush against the Goonswarm Tengus. As soon as we heard the line up over IRC those of us involved facepalmed. How could they bring something that would lose so horribly to Tengus knowing that they would face it. Majesta had other plans however, they didnít want to simply stay alive and deny Goonswarm points. This was another NC alliance that wanted revenge for the political events on TQ even though they had no chance of advancing. They brought an active tanked afterburning scimitar that negated the majority of the heavy missile damage that they expected from Goonswarm and took the match.
It should be noted that even though both teams knew exactly what they would fight Goonswarm made both the fights very close and still couldíve won. Those of us who helped make it happen felt bad about having done this to Gobbins who was a big part of the PL B-team because he helped us so much last year but we were in the tournament to win. Hopefully he can forgive us. We still love you.
On the other hand 0utbreak managed to beat both of their opponents convincingly. We had no intel on either of the teams we faced here because we never caught them testing on singularity so we just had to bring solid setups and do our best. We were glad that no one spoke much about 0utbreak and that they remained a dark horse over these two weekends.
The Group Stages Begin
We see the groups and at first we are surprised we are in the same group as PL but then we realize this means we canít meet until the finals when we see the brackets. We also notice that 0utbreak is in a bracket with the two Serbian teams who fixed their qualifying match to ensure both would get spots in the group stage. We quickly determined that with the way the bracket was setup the only way to avoid meeting 0utbreak until the final match was for us to leave the group stages in opposite positions (1 and 2 or 2 and 1 but not 1 and 1 or 2 and 2).
Unlike the other teams we had 1 set of setups for two teams. We had to hide our affiliation as long as possible or else teams would have twice as many setups to look at to determine what they should field against us.
Our first weekend in the group stages was crucial for both teams. We could not afford losses or we would have fewer options for group manipulation later on to ensure we ended up on opposite sides of the bracket. This served as warm up for most of our team as well because both Hydra and 0utbreak were essentially full of pilots who had never participated in an alliance tournament before except for the very small core from Hydra who came back from last year.
0utbreak could not lose because we knew the Serbians would fix their matches for maximum points at the first opportunity and Hydra could not lose because we could not guarantee victory against PL. During each broadcasted match this week we tried to give people a show as much as possible and we gave everything we had. This includes having Hydra being the only alliance to successfully field a flagship as well as it being worth 30 to 40 billion depending on the fit. We had an armor format with two tobias webs which we didnít get to unveil and the riskier shield format that had 6 chelmís neuts and a setele smartbomb.
We tried to feed intel to Unaffiliated for their match against PL. We told them that PL would likely switch it up to keep opponents guessing and might just bring Minmarush against them and wouldnít likely bring ECM again. We told them to use Minmarush themselves but to drop the ECCM for more tank to give them an edge. We were hilariously wrong about our prediction unlike in the qualifying stages. Thankfully Unaffiliated didnít listen to us at all and brought some random setup with ECCM. It didnít work but we still felt pretty bad. I think they probably thought we were working with PL after that.
After the dust settled from first weekend we could see that in 0utbreakís group Razor would not make it past the groups unless they beat 0utbreak with a handicapped setup or unless they brought full points and whitewashed 0utbreak. Both events were unlikely. We decided to approach Razor to make a deal to get them out of the group stage in exchange for helping 0utbreak get out of the group stage on the opposite side of Hydra depending on the outcome of the Hydra vs. PL match.
At first Razor declined the offer. The next day however they reconsidered and asked if it was still open. They did not trust us very much however. We brokered a deal with Chribba to put collateral on the line to secure the deal. We did not have much isk so we gave Chribba an Utu and our Flagship fittings while Razor gave a collateral of 30 billion both to be returned if 0utbreak and Razor both held to the terms of the agreement. We did the math multiple times for all the possible outcomes in this group and petitioned for a response from CCP just so we could be sure we had our numbers right.
During the week we kept testing our setups over and over to give the pilots that would be flying them all the practice they could get. However PL was testing too. Up until now they had nothing that concerned us. All their setups seemed manageable or things they already used last year. While everyone on the forums was talking about the joke match PL vs Hydra would be we both knew it would be as serious as it could get. We had complete intel on PL and none on Darkside and would rather have faced PL in a knockout than Darkside. As far as PLís feelings on the match I think that they feared Darkside more than they feared us considering the performance of each of our teams against them last year. It seemed to be clear to no one but our respective alliances that this match meant a lot.
While PL were testing they were trying their best to get an Adrestia setup that worked well and most seemed mediocre up until this point. They finally cracked it in the final week and came up with something fairly good. They showed us something else too: a Caldari rush team that started with HAM Tengus and Moas. It seemed laughable at first to us we didnít understand how it could possibly be any good. Then we saw it evolve into HAM Tengus and Gilas. In PLís tests it beat Minmatar Rush. Then it beat Heavy ECM. Then it beat their Damp format. What was going on? How was it winning?
We were worried. We had tested dual eccm Minma Rush against our ECM format and we had beaten it. Then we tested our ECM format against this and our ECM format got destroyed. We couldnít beat it reliably. We mentioned the setup to ookke and he said how it seemed tailored for Hydra with 28k ehp heavy tackle worms to counter the arty sleips we were bringing and to protect their logistics which was their lynch pin. This was a couple days before our match with them.
We then tried different setups against it and at one point we made a variation of PLís Caldari Rush in preparation to beat them with it expecting them to use it against us because it was their best setup and we knew they didnít want to fight Darkside. It got to the point where we even bought it and the implants as well.
Then in an emergency test on Saturday the day of our match vs. PL we CTAed our members in all the random timezones for one last test and logged in to the wormhole on singularity 6 hours before the broadcast started. We continued testing all the way until the first match. We decided to test Minmatar Rush against it even though PLís tests showed it could beat it. Surprisingly we beat it! There must be some mistake we thought. So we tested again and again until we were sure that it could reliably beat it under different circumstances.
We started to get paranoid. Was PL running fake tests for our benefit and was Caldari Rush a fake setup? Or was it a real test and had they made a mistake flying their Minmatar Rush format. We had seen them test Caldari Rush for most of the week so we had to assume it was real. We decided to go with Minmatar Rush. We also tested Minmatar rush against their Adrestia format and while much more difficult to beat, flown well, Minmatar rush could also beat it.
We went into the match very nervous. The match meant a lot to us and we didnít want to lose. We saw the Amarr rush with dual curses and we were surprised. We very much expected the Caldari Rush that PL ended up bringing for Darkside. As Creamster from Darkside mentioned on the Russian forums he felt that the same Amarr rush they used against PL should be able to beat the Minmatar rush when commenting on the DarkSide match against 0utbreak. Despite them having two curses and somewhat of an anti-rush format we were still hopeful we could win. Things worked out well for us and we took the win putting us first in our group. The self destruct and offer for isk was just a joke in reference to the events in the White Noise match immediately before. 126mil was actually transferred to me but I returned it since we didnít hold up our end of the bargain by not self destructing.
Next up was 0utbreak pre-emptively preventing the Serbians from going through by working with Razor. CO2 and Wild Boars no doubt intended to match fix themselves as we saw from the setup they brought before they saw what 0utbreak and Razor had brought. By fixing our match with Razor to finish second in the group this allowed us to be in the opposite bracket as Hydra and getting Razor out of the group. It was a pretty straight forward affair. Again some people suggested we fix the match by doing a conga out of the arena or bringing haulers but we didnít want that. If we had to fix the match we wanted to show some explosions for the audience. 0utbreak killed the points they needed in seconds and immediately self-destructed so as to not drag things out.
Things were going well. We had gotten the placements we wanted going into the final day and we hadnít shown any more of our setups. Afterwards we were scrambling to get our Flagship mods back from Chribba so we could use them the next day.
The Final Day
We had a couple guys from 0utbreak and Hydra doing logistics for both teams and since we expected to go fairly far it meant we had a lot of matches to play and so we had to buy and fit twice as many setups.
We each fielded our ECM format right away in our first matches to give the teams later on something to think about and keep them using ECCM in their mids or lows. It wasnít anything we had used before and we felt it would be good to change it up from arties, damps, neuts and straight rush. The first two matches were fairly straight forward for us.
We saw the PL match and while we wanted to see PL lose I think deep down we wanted it to be us that did it not Darkside. This is especially true because we were much more comfortable with facing PL than we were with Darkside who were a massive unknown. Ironically Darkside brought PLís exact setup that they used against us in the group stage with crusaders swapped for maledictions. While PL brought their strongest setup (from their tests anyway) in the Caldari Rush. It was a stalemate at the start until Darkside correctly went for their lynchpin and then things fell apart for PL.
The next match was Black Legion being ookkeís team against 0utbreak. We knew this was a solid team and we were wondering what they would bring. Having talked to ookke and with him mentioning that the Caldari Rush seemed like it was tailored for Hydra it made sense when we saw it warp in to fight 0utbreak. Ookke knew from the start that 0utbreak and Hydra were the same team pretty much. I think most people who knew about the Caldari Rush expected it to beat Minmarush but 0utbreak flew well and took the match.
Hydra fielded our flagship again to remind people about it in the match against Paisti so they wouldnít forget and we managed to take out their ECM format.
Then in the next match Voltron was upset by Razor to, I think, everyoneís surprise. We were pretty happy for them that they were able to take advantage of things and go from not making the final day to ending up in the final four.
This next match was going to be the toughest one and as far as we were concerned it might as well have been the final match in the same way the PL vs. Darkside and Hydra vs PL in the groups couldíve been. Darkside and 0utbreak have some history for those that donít know. I used to be in 0utbreak before joining Genos and both groups lived very close to each other in Curse and for the most part Darkside usually got the best of us (0utbreak) with their drake gangs as we refused to fly anything but vagabonds.
This was an important match for 0utbreak not just so they could make the finals to win the tournament alongside Hydra but also to score one against their nemesis from Curse, Darkside. Personally I think this was the most intense and closest high level match of the tournament. This was the exact same match up as PL vs Hydra in terms of setups.
In the PL vs. Hydra match the warp in was very good for Hydra and we could get to the PL logistics immediately without going through the Legions. In this match between Darkside and 0utbreak both teams were directly opposite to each other and the warp in was as bad as it couldíve been for 0utbreak. The match started and from listening in the 0utbreak FC had called for a wait and see what Darkside do hoping that maybe theyíd separate to give them an opening. Darkside had similar ideas resulting in an epic stand off for the first 30 seconds of the match until 0utbreak decided to anchor on a sleipner and move together into position until the huginn was closer to the 100mn AB Guardian and in a line to the logistics that didnít force them to burn through the legions. Darkside let 0utbreak get into position and 0utbreak overloaded in and went for it.
The guardian went down slowly and the 0utbreak scimi was almost caught but survived just barely escaping. The Darkside curses did a great job at controlling the 0utbreak commandships and almost had full control before 0utbreak desperately tried to get rid of them managing to only get one down after the gaurdian. With the legions roasting the destroyers from 0utbreak and their range control huginn going down things were swinging the other way in Darksideís favour. 0utbreak manages to get most of the Darkside frigates down and a legion losing one of their commandships in a back and forth exchange. It was intense.
While this was going on we had 0utbreak and Hydra guys frantically running to Jensius to get ships for Hydraís match vs. Razor as we decided to switch our setup at the last second and needed the ships.
With the remaining ships left 0utbreak was able to get back in control of the match by forcing legions in close with TDs from the claymore and managing to get scrams on the remaining ships by burning the ship Darkside was primarying away forcing Darkside to come close and in range. Darkside was doing the same thing near the end and breaking through scrams and getting away. Eventually 0utbreak managed to put it away and seal the victory although it couldíve gone either way.
Next up was Hydra using the Rush against the Razor setup which was the counter to it being an anti-rush setup. I think all the practice paid off for Hydra and despite fighting the counter to our setup we pulled it off.
At this point in both our minds the tournament was over. We had won. We still had officially one more match and we wanted to make it good for everyone watching. We had no plans at all for what we would do if we fought each other. After the first rounds someone made a thread on our forum mentioning this possibility with the intention of discussing it and we told everyone to shut up. We said that we need to focus on the task at hand or we would never get to the final at all. Over 3 months we prepared immensely but we didnít prepare for this all.
Everyone on the forums was talking about the lack of Gallente setups and how theyíd like to see something different. We had tested a Vindicator team that had very close results against the Rush team. However the rush team was worried they would die too quickly for anyone to see anything so they fitted extra tank in place of eccm. Conversely the Vindicator team planned to only activate half their guns.
In our testing the Rush support beat the Vindicator support but the Vindicators decimated the commandships if they warped at 0. The match started with both of us in different channels on the same teamspeak to simulate an actual fight closely.
It completely fell apart and I guess we are horrible actors. 0utbreak felt that the Hydra alliance should officially place first even though it didnít matter technically so they stopped firing and allowed the remaining Vindicator to finish them off.
Yes it was staged but we wanted to put on a good show. We couldíve more easily had 0utbreak fly something Caldari or Minmatar that would be countered by another Caldari or Minmatar setup and in hindsight maybe we shouldíve just done something safe like that. We wanted to bring out something cool for the final and we screwed it up instead. We donít really feel great about it.
Despite that I think we prepared more than Iíd say the majority of the teams in this tournament combined. Our private tournament forum for this year has 214 threads and 2884 posts from the just under 40 people who were involved. We sacrificed a lot for this and we gave it everything we had. We beat both the other two top teams in the tournament on different occasions in matches that mattered. We have a lot of respect for Darkside and Pandemic Legion who both put in a lot of effort into this tournament and especially Pandemic Legion from whom we got the motivation to do all we did in an effort to end their streak.
This is Eve. Meta gaming, back room deals, scamming and pvp are all equal parts of it. I think we are deserving of having won both first and second in this tournament. To all those who say otherwise you are welcome to put in the effort we did this year and try to take our titles away.
This is a good read, but tbh I have mixed feelings after reading it. I have admiration for their extraordinary effort, understanding of their willingness to meta game, contempt for the way they finished the tourney.
All the hard work they did to earn a well-deserved victory, and nothing left to do but take a victory lap with everyone's eyes on them - and they can't pull of an ending with style.
Would it really have been that difficult for them to skirmish each other for reals? There was nothing on the line but lulz, so why not?