hmmm, a fleet with 55 tengu (like 40bil alone) vs a ragtag fleet of random BSs and HACs (maels and zealots? lolwut?). no shit you would win.Originally Posted by Propagandas
hmmm, a fleet with 55 tengu (like 40bil alone) vs a ragtag fleet of random BSs and HACs (maels and zealots? lolwut?). no shit you would win.
you need webs. they had none.Alpha fleet meets Tengu fleet.
Sorry Grim
Yea, you'll do,
you'll do just fine
Like Rive said we've had plenty of people fly logis in PL with logistics 4 and that's fine. The vast majority of us who regularly fly guardians have logi 5 and that number is going up all the time, but that's because we tend to want to do stuff well when we do it.
On the other hand, someone who takes offense at being told what to train is someone who isn't going to do well in an alliance like PL. Everyone is wrong sometimes, and special snowflakes who refuse to listen when people point out their mistakes are welcome to join AAA
-Sniggerdly-Pandemic Legion-
They had quite a few, 3 Huginns and 2 Rapiers, but target callers did a fine job of picking them out as the first targets.
I'm also wondering whether the fear of Jensius Duo's shark like mach hunting for bump targets drove them out of the POS to fight.
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20 days means less to a dude with five PvP accounts than it does to the dude with just one, hth.
Any BR on the F-D Rapetrain?
That is the reason. Shield fleet was bleeding numbers to idiots getting bounced, so I made the call to advance. Looking back I shouldnt have charged straight at you like I did, but I favor the direct approach too often. Shield fleet fucked up its warpin. They were supposed to land on the far side of the POS from you, so we would get tackle, webs, and they would primary. Shit happened, they died, I raged, and pulled back to the tower.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
No, I mean the AHAC fleet that started in shields, left shields, and 60 seconds later was back in shields.If he's in the NC he's probably referring to one of the fleets that didnt even enter grid in the fight. No idea what they were doing. Think it was the amor fleet (not ahac)
edit: anyone playing bc2 yet?
Previous 'engagements' were blueballs but I maintained my wood.
This was just a full-on bonerkill.
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Grath
U trying 2 hard bro.
Pretty much yes. Back in the day I used to get annoyed when I was not training a skill for 12 hours, like omg I just lost a whole 12hours of sp, fk fk fk . These days I am looking down the list to find something that lasts at least 20 days so I can fuck off and play that stupid game called real life (have you seen the price of a clone in it, way out of my league, I'm in an alpha pod)
Did you all really run out of other areas to improve the avrg. member?
I'm a scrub and below average member, JDC5 was a good skill
PL camped the system all day in machariels, about 200 NC had logged in the same pos so we scored maybe 100 kills from people logging in at a steady pace.
NC then spend 2h forming up their 22:00 eve CTA CTA.
100 Armor hacs
150 Alpha fleet
65 Capital fleet.
80 Armor bs fleet.
PL goes and swaps to tengus and bridges back + a mad levi for bonuses, 100 in tengu fleet and 20 in bomber fleet.
NC shield and NC ahac fleet bridges in at their pos, PL warps in at 0 scoring maybe 20 kills since people are bad at putting in password.
Grim tells his ahacs that "we will not fight PL until the station timer (1h20mins) so we will wait for our backup and cap fleet" and the shield fc says the same.
PL bridges in 3 machs and start camping the NC pos with tengus and 3 bumping machs (shadoo is lolbad at bumping and JENSIUS SOMETHING OF ZOR is a fucking bumping machine sending a BS into the jaws of the tengus every 30 secs)
NC realise that they will all die the death of bumps unless they fight (yeah machs can actually bump ships orbiting pos wtf).
NC alpha fleets warp off grid to get a warpin at range, NC ahacs starts manually burning straight towards our tengus outside shield. (mistake #1)
They exit shield one by one and they go pop pop pop.
With 30 ahacs dead and no losses the wild alpha fleet lands on grid, 35 km away from our tengus (yea we didnt want range, who cares about tracking? Mistake #2)
A lot of yelling start at PL coms, bubble the alpha fleet, gobbins bomb the fucking bs you italian piece of shit, where the fuck is the NC armor bs and cap fleet, why havent they jumped in yet, keep owning duders, raaaaa AAAAAAARMOR HACCCCCKS!!!!! etc etc
Just as gobbins finally is about to bomb the battleships a wild PL hic bubbles them all, dragging our bomber into the hic bubble and every single bomb misses the target.
Insert a lot of finnish at9 commentator rage here.
Alas, tengu heros moves in on top the NC maelstroms and boy, they sure as hell cannot track shit, and tengus are faster then NC ahacs so NC ahacs cant keep up nor shoot the tengus now being out of range. (learn to use ongrid bounce grim you giant noob face)
Pop pop pop maelstroms aint got no buffer lölölöl.
Intellegence spy master AVAR DAVOLA starts screaming in his terrible german accent that we should warp of field, after some confusion we realise that he is telling us the NC bs fleet has been ordered to be ready to get of field.
Ahac fc grim goes "meh, i cant shoot at PL they too far away and nobody can break their tank lets just go inside pos this fight is over cry cry cry"
Alas, the brave men of the legion, re-fueled by rape, bubbles the fuck out of the NC maelstroms, and while Grim is crying to his ahac fleet on MM ts PL is still raping maelstroms like its Mogadishu ' 93, all while broadcasting grims crying on PL coms.
We be raping to the left, we be raping to the right, and when the dust settles and wreck overview is loaded a splendid sight is to behold.
100 Hostile wrecks, 3 PL bomber wrecks and 2 PL recon wrecks.
Now one might ask, where was the NC armor bs fleet?
Where was the NC cap fleet?
Why is NC telling all their members that it was bombers that killed their 250 man fleet and not the 100 PL warriors.
Why is NC standing down all their fleets, a total of 400 people on MM coms without even trying a 2nd time?
Why is NC fcs lying to their fleet members all the time every day? (mistake #4 - #11)
Why are the NC saying they will not reform untill goons comes to help them at 0400?
Well my friends, these questions I cannot answer.
But much like the chief of humvees in Black hawk down, or like the man from thank you for smoking in that new movie battle for LA, Elise randolph Leader of Legions, reshipped and went and took 2 tech moons, reinforced 1 station and 2 ihubs. While the blood of NC mogadishu militia still wet on his face.
gf gf gf.
ujelly?
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
For those NC who still care: WTB skilled covops pilots. I dont care what the fleet is, without some cloaky probers we are gimped ( I know, im a scrub and should get another alt to do cloaky scouting)
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Good BR, but I miss Elise's reports
You can't have him, but Cosmo Smikes, mother fucker can probe down anything within 15secs.
[Arrador] possesses a considerable understanding of ship configurations, strengths and weakness. He gives clear and purposeful instructions, is good at taking advantage of the fleet-composition he's dealt, and never loses sight of the main goal: fun. This, paired with an excellent tolerance for strong drink gives him an almost Churchillian capability to win, despite being completely pissed on booze most of the fleet operation.
Grim I have to say I am greatly disappointed I sat at a POS for 2 hours hoping to hot drop PL with our capitals and instead I went home blue balled because you and the alpha fleet essentially welped yourselves, and who the feck knows where the armor fleet was not the first time the armor fleet disappeared and no one knows where they are happened a week or 2 ago when I was in the alpha fleet against the DRF. Our Capital FC was afraid of getting hotdropped and decided not to go for the fight, I would have gone for the fight gotten hotdropped and encouraged the capital and super cap blob to swarm, but unless you broadcast Titan tackled no one can bother logging in anymore.
Mate, if I had ordered caps in you would be singing a different tune now. You would have cynoed in on the pos, gotten bubbled, and raped by a dozen titans and 40 moms. All you would have done was lagged the node and made PL even more smug. I'm standing by that call.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Judging by this battle summary the NC problem isn't logi 4 versus 5. It's having any logistics pilots at all. Then again what an impressively all-sorts fleet, Impairor, ferox, kestrel, half shield maelstrom and half zealot and thus having split logistics. Matched up against the PL Isk-fleet.
If all the battles in the great northern war end up looking like that one it's going to be a short war.
Just curious why didn't you? I mean apparently we would of gotten raped?
I think I can give it a shot:
Grim I have to say I am greatly disappointed I sat at a POS for 2 hours waiting to hot drop PL with our capitals and when we finally did PL welped our fleet because you and the alpha fleet essentially welped yourselves and needed capital support, and who the feck knows where the armor fleet was when we were trying to pop hictors not the first time the armor fleet disappeared and no one knows where they are happened a week or 2 ago when I was in the alpha fleet against the DRF. Our Capital FC wasn't afraid of getting hotdropped (moron) and decided to go for the fight, I didn't think we should have gone for the fight because I knew we would get hotdropped and it probably wouldn't encourage the capital and super cap blob to swarm, but unless you use some proper intel and prevent our capitals from dying no one can bother logging in anymore.
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Grim I have to say I am greatly disappointed I sat at a POS for 2 hours hoping to hot drop PL with our capitals and instead I went home blue balled because you and the alpha fleet essentially welped yourselves, and who the feck knows where the armor fleet was not the first time the armor fleet disappeared and no one knows where they are happened a week or 2 ago when I was in the alpha fleet against the DRF. Our Capital FC was afraid of getting hotdropped and decided not to go for the fight, I would have gone for the fight gotten hotdropped and encouraged the capital and super cap blob to swarm, but unless you broadcast Titan tackled no one can bother logging in anymore. [/SPOILER]
Talk about training. That's an assload of T1 guns in there, lou. These fits are, on average, worse than the old holders would field. ME, I can nderstand since they have no money or mods left but MH? I stopped looking after a while but did they even field a third with T2 guns?
I agree with Grath and co about requiring the minimums for fleet fits. Fleet members who show up in the right hull with the wrong fit are gimping the entire fleet. Of course these are the same guys who merrily jump through a gate when told to hold.
That's not to say 'd tell them to train X and Y or GTFO but If they can't fly a proper BS, come in something lighter while you train. If we can't get enough proper ships, at least we'd know by the lack of hulls.
Decent size corps should have a training officer who can guide people in the right direction. API keys and recommended training plans. I had to have certain skills at a certain level before I was allowed to fly my cap.
I am sad I missed this, though I wouldn't have really gone out unless it there was an armor BS fleet (obviously there was not.) but I did have fun in a sniper hac gang fucking about with IRC.
Sorry to hear about your fleet Grim
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Plenty of us didn't make the BR because we didn't get on any kills or die.
No, that's exactly what needs to happen (regarding the GTFO-part) and what has not happened for far too long. It's not like there weren't standartized fittings, it's that nobody east of Deklein - and to every increasing parts north of Venal - feels entitled to make people follow through with it.
Also having T1 guns fitted cannot be excused by the heist Trina did on Reliables/ME holding corp. Such stuff is paid by the pilots or corp ship reimbursement. It's not that ME was lacking PvE grounds for the individual pilot to make isk. Though, to be fair, at least regarding the alpha fleets T1 meta4 guns don't hurt too bad (yes, they still have a bit less alpha but it's not like you're reyling on Tremor like you do on Scorch in the case of AHACs).
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Read it again, this time in context with who he was quoting.
Did the heist comment not come out as snarky? I meant it to.
I disagree that within a carebear coalition you should expect the highest degree of skill. Explain to people what is needed and why. Give them a plan to get there. Hell, PAY them a bonus for being there by a certain date.
Kicking from PL for not having the ability to fit makes sense because their focus is all PVP all the time. The average corp or alliance isn't PL and never will be no matter how many SP they have on average.
It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror, his name, is liquid ozone.
Free tips to NC.
1. Form drake fleet. stop listening to PL.
2. Form alpha fleet.
3. When PL re-ships to tengus - warp alpha boats OUT.
4. Trade drakes for tengus. after 2-3 times we will not come again
PS T3 drakes own. I only wish we had massive Goon alpha fleet to own.
manny went back to chillmanny after being plfree for just about a week. id like to go back just so you can madrage blame your supers when they die, but alas after a just about a week you will stop fighting again. nc have a bit more stamina, and more meatshield. enjoy delve.
I was more mad I sat around for 2 or 3 hours and we basically were told to go home after the Alpha and AHAC fleets got smoked.
The armor fleet always seems to disappear, and as far as us getting hot dropped welp that is what it is going to take to wake the super pilots up tbh because right now we call a CTA and the number suck, and I have no idea where the super cap pilots have all gone last time I remember we had alot of them.
Organization, communication, and execution is all lacking any type of focus right now for the NC, and if you do not have that we do not have the sheer PvP SP Prowess to make it happen otherwise.
PS-I would like to go back to pulse geddons, apocs and addadons personally. Better tracking, decent range on the guns with scorch and versitility in your midslots. But that is just maybe me thinking outside the box, but these alpha fleets are not performing well in low lag situtations maybe it's the FC but they are always getting wiped out.
Yes a welp of a cap fleet will surely get the supers to log in more
Well, at least I didn't take it as such but as serious, maybe others did get it. I beg pardon
Heh, who's expecting the highest degree of skill? It'd be a start if people would bring what they are asked for with a fit that's remotely comparable to the standards - which are around (whether they are good or not is a different matter). It's not that guidance is generally missing (well, okay, I can't talk for every individual alliance obviously, but some fleet-fits are passed around on an NC-wide level, or at least available through such channels).
It is exactly that people have rather shrugged it of the same way as you do "yeah, well, we're not elite-pvp'ers", eventually deterogating from "good enough for the blob" to "not even good enough to blob anymore".
Slap the shit back into the guest alliances or fucking make'm GTFO, reset MH and Stellar, kick BTLS! Peace!
EDIT: You know, just to fortify my :Iismad:-point: About a year ago IT and their pets were the worst block when it came to standartized fleet-fits. (Just check the km's from MAX2; hard to find the same BS fit twice really.) NC's on its best way of getting worse than that.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Well, TBH most (not all) of the MM fits were at or very close to the standard (my memory fades fast. They were mostly T2 gunned though). PB D team peeps look to have outperformed MH and ME in fitting. Maybe they should be considered for more space if this turns out OK.
OTOH, quite a few of my friends didn't bother at all; hey were busy shooting people in another region.
Which is why I spoke of "East of Deklein" earlier (I mean we know MH is shit, no need to explicitly exclude them, that's self-explanatory). DekCo mysteriously seems to get that stuff sorted out better than the rest of the NC. MM and RZR aren't the primary problem, but they've seen "better times" when it comes to bringing the right shit nontheless.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Who are RZR?
Rather ask yourself why you're asking me who RZR is... I think we just discussed a connected matter. *caughs*
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
I cannot imagine the NC leadership telling people to train skills, then their pilots actually following through with it.
As one of the PB D-team I can appreciate this sentiment. Not sure how the fuck it would have happened, but if its even half accurate it means we're improving.
The implication I was making was that if "everyone in PL has JDC V" that certainly implies 'everyone in PL' can fly a capital ship, and thus if they want to power project, say, clear from Delve to Geminate, jump bridges are irrelevant to them if they can just toss some combat hulls into the SMA of their carrier or supercap and jetset over in style with a few jumps. Thus, from such, "nerf jump bridges, they allow enemy fleets to move too easily" is just a matured and mutated form of "these dastardly newbies with their filthy Rifters should never be able to cut down my mighty battlesteed" and can be safely disregarded as such
errrrrr, what?
We know capitals and supercapitals are over powered, but the difference is we say so ourselves. We know they need nerfed, and we say this many times. The difference is we can admit, and we will adapt to the changes. You? TO THE FORUMSSSSS.
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anyone can you fail fuck.
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Most of the NC grunts were told to train for alpha maels/arty baddons. Look at how well our fleets are doing with that so far lol.
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Well tonight consisted of blobbing up and repping. Successful in repping our shit back up, by my balls have taken the following theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWmF_2u-9nk
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played bc2 all night
TEST server is now hardcore 24/7
We should do a PL vs TEST BC2 night sometime.
no contest, just get me druz and destiny to show up.
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I guess it's a date then.
Ahem
While Grim was busy welping fleets, I was sitting on a titan subconsciously removing my clothes whenever Baronath said Panties.
Though it might be said that IF the NC were to a be a bit more, shall we say "focused", when it comes to guiding pilots along skill paths that they might be able to do more with fewer numbers and thus not need to blob at every opportunity (whether it warrants such a response or not). Because their pilots have SP all over spectrum, their overall effectiveness is lowered and thus they need more numbers to make up the difference.
I ended up getting drunk and playing BC2 with a bunch of other TESTies. I'm going to assume that whatever op I was going to go on ended up being entirely blue balls like I figured it would be.
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