In that case he should probably release them in a hurry so he can etch-a-sketch on that too.Originally Posted by Aurora148
In that case he should probably release them in a hurry so he can etch-a-sketch on that too.
83% Jill Stein
75% Barack Obama
73% Stewart Alexander
"Do you believe the theory of Evolution?" My left foot... I'm so sick and tired of this pseudo debate. The jury is in. It's been in for ages. At least come join the twentieth century, they eradicated smallpox. You're welcome.
Of all people you'd think the ob/gyn who delivered four thousand babies would have picked up on how remarkably often traits are passed from parents to offspring.
The problem with Gary Johnson is that so many people on the Internet -- including disaffected liberals, not just libertarians -- seem to get excited by his positions on defense, drug policy and social policy but seem to turn a blind eye that he'd essentially take a flamethrower to Medicare and Social Security, believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned, takes the "states' rights" copout on gay marriage and wants to do away with progressive taxation.
91% Bitches.
http://www.isidewith.com/results/44744232
Ryan's budget proposal was killed in the senate
You guys sure do seem to be emotionally invested in hating a guy who was almost too moderate to win the primary. He's not my first choice, TBH but he can't possibly do worse than Zaphod and Arthur have.
http://www.deltaworld.org/internatio...ext-President/
mistakes were made.
So apparently some Republicans are trying to disqualify people from voting on grounds of being unable to prove who they are, being likely to vote Democrat or being black:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/w...arder-to-vote.
Or being illegal immigrants (who aren't entitled to vote). If you lived here you would know we're awash with them.
Its worse then that. There are a few states who are trying to do changes which are pretty much voter suppression against blacks, Latinos, and young voters. One thing is voter ID, which in some states is the equivalent to a voting tax, another is disallowing voting on Sunday which is a big day in the black community, and making it harder for new registration groups to get people registered. Most rules these states have been pushing is due to supposed voter fraud, which in almost every study has shown almost doesn't exist. Immigrants voting is a issue though doubt its a big one.
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The biggest source of voter fraud is absentee voting and the GOP isn't going after that.
It's a big deal in California (overwhelmingly blue), Arizona (maybe relevant here), Texas (overwhelmingly red) and Florida (also very red). Since we know from 2000 that the electoral college > popular vote, I can't see how a few hundred more Democrat votes in any of these states means a damned thing.
I can
http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-w...rticle/2504163
yes, this wasn't CA, TX, FL, or AZ, but its illustrative of the horrible things that can occur when people who shouldn't be able to vote, do.
The question remains is it worth it to put these policies into place that can negatively effect a very large amount of legit voters compared to the fraction amount of fraudulent?
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Ryan doesn't want to because Obama already did that lool.
yes
look, you basically need some form of ID to do just about ANYTHING AT ALL in this country these days,
why SHOULDNT you need to show ID to vote?
Bottom line is Democrats oppose voter ID laws because they know 99% of the people voting fraudulently
are voting for Democrats.
While I have no issues with voter ID laws, so long as states provide IDs at no cost and find ways to make it easier for those to acquire them. If not then they are, in my mind targeting a poorer group in order to implement the equivalent of a voting tax and trying to suppress a usually strong democratic voting base. Which sends red flags to me since EVERY state that is trying to do some form of voter suppression is ran by republicans.
This issue does not only apply to ID laws, but the fact that they have been targeting primarily Democratic bases in almost all categories.
Poor/Latino/Black= voter IDs.
Black= Changing hours away from a historically strong black voting day.
Young= Limiting the ability for new registration organizations to process people.
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um.. perhaps this is because it appears its republicans who view this issue as a problem, and democrats do not?
also fyp
I'm not sure how true it is, but I have been told that Bush would have won the popular vote too if they had counted absentee ballots nationwide (since most of those are military/vote republican).
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All 85 and a bit of them:
As opposed to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of voters who will be disenfranchised by voter ID.
Tired as fuck so I don't really feel like debating this, but http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3532.
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Yeah the GOP sure was concerned about electoral fraud when those Diebold people gave them money
if they're too lazy or stupid to get themselves ID its probably for the best they dont vote
You know I used to think the same thing of people who married their cousins.
They all vote Democrat of course.
Hey how about those 54 000 "felons" in Florida who weren't felons they were just "black" and the walking election fraud that was Katherine Harris we best get the problem of voter fraud under control
I don't know about you but I've always considered negrepping in this part of the forums to be uncouth.
I'm sorry but that's just a load of shit. Very VERY few people who are legitimately in the US have no ID. All of these impoverished people you speak of are on welfare anyway, which makes you prove your identity before giving you benefits.
While I'm sure there are a few outliers living on the street and sleeping in a pool of their own piss and alcohol, the vast majority of fraudulent votes are cast by illegals and felons. Sometimes the family pet as well.
don't forget dead people. and the undead too.
Let me tell you about the 400, FOUR HUNDRED, counts of voter fraud that the Republican Lawyers Association found in the past 10 YEARS.
Yea that's just so big we better make sure everyone is forced to bring an ID that our state bureaucracy can't even fucking process.
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And more than half those fraudulent votes were in Franken's election?
Fact is this sort of thing is mostly ignored by the people in a position to do something about it. Even in Franken's case, it was an outside group who went to LEOs in the areas identified and got the prosecutions started. Those were felons, btw. It's harder to catch someone who pretty much doesn't exist.
If even the retards in the TSA can figure out how to check IDs, I think polling officers can give it a shot.Yea that's just so big we better make sure everyone is forced to bring an ID that our state bureaucracy can't even fucking process.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3676...black-vote.htm
Granted I don't know how much I would trust him, since it could just be backlash from getting booted.
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Is he saying the New Black Panthers were stopping people from voting? Oh wait...
True most have a form of ID. The problem comes in when it HAS to be a driver's license or it HAS to have your photo on it or it has your photo but it's expired or <insert whatever else we need to lower the number of these people voting>. Now we start narrowing down what's acceptable, throwing out credit cards, student cards, mailing addresses and other forms of ID which work fine in some instances.
I'll admit, it was pretty entertaining to watch the GOP in Ohio(?) defend the military absentee vote because a military vote is so star spangled awesome I guess.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
who or what were they defending the military absentee vote from, i wonder..?
Voter ID legislation - they need to turn up in person with their driving license to make their postal vote count you see...
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You don't need an ID to a lot of things. And the issue isn't needing an ID to vote - it's putting laws into effect that are intended to disenfranchise honest and real democrat voters.
Note how this article is linked at RCP. RCP bro, a conservative webpage.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/201...rs_287167.html
Isn't it a little redundant and paranoid wanting voters to have ID when they are (or really should be anyway) registered to vote already? All the same, I can't see it being a major inconvenience - just have your driver's license or whatever on hand with you when you go vote, most people I know carry ID around with them anyway, just about every day, so they can get a drink.
I can't see who loses out here really, other than people who "shouldn't" be voting - namely those who aren't registered - unless I'm experiencing the usual transatlantic culture shock and actually posessing ID isn't that common amongst Americans (I know this is the case with passports where something like 30% of US citizens have a passport), or those from lower income areas (or Mexicans/Black dudes - not traditionally Republican voters?).
Anyway, what's the feel amongst conservative dudes about Paul Ryan's appointment as VP candidate? I only heard snatches on the news, but he looks like a hypocrite as he seems to be advocating tearing into social programmes despite having worked in the public sector all his life, save for a stint in a restaurant or something. What does he bring to the table?
Fact: Most high level American politicians never held a real job.
A few do a few years in the military, but thats about it.
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I'm not a "Conservative" on many things but I don't wish to see the government acting like a credit junkie until it collapses, either.
He basically brings a comprehensive plan to get our finances straightened out.
I don't feel much of anything over the choice. I will say it's entertaining me to see Democrat spokespersons have to explain why cutting medicare via Obamacare is somehow worse than the cuts to medicare.
I love that "voter fraud" in this country is suddenly an issue, but predominantly Jewish communities voting for Pat Buchanan in 2000 was peachy keen.
Let's all give a shit when it can help our side, but when there's patently obvious voter fraud mis-electing the wrong President, let's all throw up our hands and run from the fnords.
Seriously, America. WTF?
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Just horrible. You can clearly do better. Do it for America. Do it for patriotism.
Isn't voter ID a form of much dreaded Government Regulation? Shouldn't you guys be screaming "Socialist Nightmare!!" right about now? (Everyone knows an ultra-secure Government Issued ID is the first step in the Anti-Christ's plan to control America!)
Oh yeah, you're not really against regulation, you're only against regulation that interferes with your worldview. The only reason this is even coming up is because everyone knows how close this election is going to be (look at the polls) and the GOP is already getting ready to blame the illegals/ghost voters and call for a recount(s).
In all fairness, it's not much different from Bush's reelection (beside the fact that we know Bush and his backers engaged in voter fraud and so far the same can't be said of Obama), the party politics are just turned upside down. But you have to admit this argument is pretty hilarious coming from the right. The system was fine for most of you when it served up Bush 2.0, but it's suddenly broken beyond repair when there's even the remotest chance Obama might be reelected?
man if you're too stupid to figure out how to get a voter id card, you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.
If you were to use stupidity as a criteria, you'd probably have to disenfranchise all those biblical literalists as well.
Seriously though, it's not a problem of wanting to get the requisite ID, it's a problem of being able to get the requisite ID. Typically, it's photographic ID and a significant minority of people don't have that. The figure quoted in the article I read when I brought this topic up in the first place was 3/4s of a million in Pennsylvania alone. The bureaucracy in the state would have to process tens of thousands of IDs every week to make sure everyone could vote and they simply cannot do that.
It's a sad contrast when you compare this to the pictures we've seen from Afghanistan and Iraq in the last few years. There it seems that marking a mans hand with indelible ink is enough to prevent him from voting twice. It's strange to want to bring democracy to those places yet at the same time trying to restrict it at home.
Perhaps in the EU but here they are nearly ubiquitous. Lest you forget, driving is a necessity in most of the US. adults not having a photo ID are a surpassingly small minority, except for those who can't get an ID legitimately.Typically, it's photographic ID and a significant minority of people don't have that.
Unless of course you live in a major city or something, where driving isn't a necessity and is often a hinderance, and you'll probably vote Democrat.
Hmmmmm!
The number of disenfranchised is vanishingly small guys so what are you worried about
vs
It doesn't matter that the number of voter fraud incidents is vanishingly small guys it's the principle of the thing
Just saying.
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Few cities really qualify as most of them still have the vast majority of people driving. NYC is the one that comes to mind where it's less common. However, even in a major city it's difficult in the extreme to get by without an ID. If you want a bank account, the ability to use a credit card, etc.
I'm perfectly fine with having free issue IDs. I'm also OK with someone being able to use a verifiable SSN card and birth cert (what we present to get an ID) as proof.
Sweet, sweet stuff:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/op...o.html?_r=1&hp
My favorite part:If you live in Butler or Warren counties in the Republican-leaning suburbs of Cincinnati, you can vote for president beginning in October by going to a polling place in the evening or on weekends. Republican officials in those counties want to make it convenient for their residents to vote early and avoid long lines on Election Day.
But, if you live in Cincinnati, you’re out of luck. Republicans on the county election board are planning to end early voting in the city promptly at 5 p.m., and ban it completely on weekends, according to The Cincinnati Enquirer. The convenience, in other words, will not be extended to the city’s working people.
In counties likely to vote for President Obama, Republicans have voted against the extended hours, and Mr. Husted has broken the tie in their favor. (He said the counties couldn’t afford the long hours.) In counties likely to vote for Mitt Romney, Republicans have not objected to the extended hours.
Sorry poors, you can't afford to vote. You should try to be more rich and more white.
Diff'rent strokes!
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