Welcome to Potsdam - Dividing the IT Reich

[Don Peyote]

LOOK GUYS WWII References (I'm being Ironic, please don't shoot me)

This is the new thread for stuff that's going down in the Southwest. In recent weeks we've seen :

Sys-K and their ongoing losses of stations, corps and members in Period Basis

Atlas once again holding sov, now in Querious with their allies Cascade Imminent and the Khanid Coalition

The Clusterfuck claiming Victory over IT Alliance in Fountain and beginning the Sov Steamrolling of IT and pets' last stations, and Montolio getting v.mad at HUN for timewasting

IT Alliance going into meltdown with 2500 members leaving in roughly 20 days

Now we look to the Future ; Will Delve be rebuilt as a fight club as some (me) envisage? Or will it go into the hands of the two attacking coalitions and become a paradise for terrible vanity alliance renters? Only time will tell. Whatever the case, we cannot envy whoever has to grind all of those structures (I choose Imperian).

[superstarmcawesome]

Finally a thread about :goons: and their recent activities.

But will one be enough?

[Don Peyote]

Finally a thread about :goons: and their recent activities.

But will one be enough?

It's never enough

And this isn't about goons, they are mentioned once and not even by name

[Grim]

Well, from what I have heard Stainwagon is going to make Period Basis their personal hunting ground by installing weak alliances and resetting them. Those 3 regions really need to be controlled by 1 powerful alliance, too bad such an entity no longer exists to own space by itself.

[Don Peyote]

Well, from what I have heard Stainwagon is going to make Period Basis their personal hunting ground by installing weak alliances and resetting them. Those 3 regions really need to be controlled by 1 powerful alliance, too bad such an entity no longer exists to own space by itself.

The Dominion models make holding all three alone pretty impractical. I'd heard Period Basis was going to be ATAK's home and that if anything Delve would be the cumpot that everyone could gather round and use for gratification.

[Dastommy]

I think delve should be divided up between the north and southern forces and each side install several smaller alliances. These groups will need support and pipelines to empire so they can't survive on their own. Figure 6-10 smaller alliances installed; hunted by one group and supported by the other. Delve could be a thunderdome of awesome proportions.

[Don Peyote]

I think delve should be divided up between the north and southern forces and each side install several smaller alliances. These groups will need support and pipelines to empire so they can't survive on their own. Figure 6-10 smaller alliances installed; hunted by one group and supported by the other. Delve could be a thunderdome of awesome proportions.

Nice going dasty, moving up to Cold War Allegories! It seems it really is a natural progression. But I digress, this would be nice and I really like the idea of installing CVA and others (mainly the pureblind pets) to foster roams from Amarr Lowsec

[Deniera]

This is more like the Treaty of Versailles - wait... the Treaty of NOL

perfecto.

As for Delve I would love to see it become a new provi. Like the one that was in provi in the time between CVA not being there - where -A- installed all those small alliances.

[Grim]

Delve is now the borderland between NC/DC and the south. Historically the NC has put small, weak alliances on its borders as they take space. Since Stainwagon and AAA haven't really expressed interest in taking that much additional space I would guess it will be filled up with FCON, Severance, and the rest of their ilk.

[Altaica]

I think delve should be divided up between the north and southern forces and each side install several smaller alliances. These groups will need support and pipelines to empire so they can't survive on their own. Figure 6-10 smaller alliances installed; hunted by one group and supported by the other. Delve could be a thunderdome of awesome proportions.

Where are you going to find 6-10 smaller alliances that are stable enough themselves to provide the necessary fun that either the NC or stainwagon like enough to help get themselves setup. Both are providing significant amounts of space in Fountain and Catch to smaller entities that helped them out I get the sense that for both sides the list of alliances who they like who aren't already assigned or holding space is fairly short, but who knows. It will be interesting to see who can fill that vacuum.

As for Delve I would love to see it become a new provi. Like the one that was in provi in the time between CVA not being there - where -A- installed all those small alliances.

It was fun there while it lasted and I'd like to see something like that return to Delve since it'll provide people to shoot for us in our new home.

[Night]

We didn't say they had to be liked. Remember, they're being used for fodder.

[Grim]

We didn't say they had to be liked. Remember, they're being used for fodder.

But no one will do that. I mean, the NC can force their "guests" to go wherever they want, but finding a new alliance and saying "here is some free space, if you are attacked don't expect us to help" won't get many recruits.

[BiggerDangDude]

Getting in on the ground floor of what will probably be a terrible thread.

[Don Peyote]

A plan could be to merge the systems ; "Invite" smaller NC alliances to move to "A great region", meanwhile disseminating the general idea that No-one wants delve other than "some fail NC pets" should get alot of the NPC Null alliances taking sov just to piss in cheerios. And with two huge coalitions straddling the region that don't want to get involved and would rather it remain a no-mans land, Delve could be pretty safe from sovereignty invasion. Roams however...

[Altaica]

But no one will do that. I mean, the NC can force their "guests" to go wherever they want, but finding a new alliance and saying "here is some free space, if you are attacked don't expect us to help" won't get many recruits.

My worry exactly, the fight club moved to provi because they figured nobody would bother to mess with them after CVA collapsed but that's been steadily proven wrong. Makes me almost wish that instead of just normal cascading IT's corps just started hating each other enough to each form their own alliance and start fighting each other while living in their own pocket, there'd still be the issue of zomg supercaps and disparity in strength between the corps but it would be a fun way to cascade.

[FountainFan]

But no one will do that. I mean, the NC can force their "guests" to go wherever they want, but finding a new alliance and saying "here is some free space, if you are attacked don't expect us to help" won't get many recruits.

It worked for IT, but it wasn't exactly free.

[Anon]

And the corps that formed IT will just magically disappear and never venture back into Delve after reforming, since that has never happened before...

[Don Peyote]

And the corps that formed IT will just magically disappear and never venture back into Delve after reforming, since that has never happened before...

Nope, I don't recall it ever happening.

Joking aside, this time is a little different... former IT corps have scattered to the winds instead of reforming into a different alliance. I doubt we'll be seeing a resurgence as Molle was really what was keeping BoB together for better or worse. Without him they have pretty much no common identity, and we can expect to see a steady trickle of people leaving while Molle is gone.

[Grim]

They could always give the space to Nulli Secunda. That would end well.

[CrusaderKnight]

Finally a thread about :goons: and their recent activities.

But will one be enough?

If the e-peen of goons and PL were real peen they'd be the biggest hung porn stars of all time.

[Manny]

A small miscalculation in everyones thought process. Clusterfuck and CAAASEROL will have a vested interest in making sure Delve is stable. Providence only had AAA to look over it and when AAA got in trouble there was no big brother to enforce the balance. Delve fight club is in the interest of both bordering coalitions. So if the balance of the region is disturbed its reasonable to say you will see either Clusterfuck or CAASEROL steam in and stabilize the situation. Having a place for small gang PVP is great its also wise to not have 2 coalitions bordering eachother. This neutral zone will be a good compromise to give everyone content without massive dick swinging by bordering coalitions. Space engineering at its finest.

[CrusaderKnight]

And the corps that formed IT will just magically disappear and never venture back into Delve after reforming, since that has never happened before...

There is quite a pool of rich guys with resources, experience, and supercaps out there that will be interesting to watch to see what they end up doing. IE: IT, Initiative, etc. If that bunch were to get together they'd be powerful enough to crack into space somewhere.

As for Molle reforming IT or Bob or a new alliance, IRC... yes, FUCKING IRC holds space again under the (uh) "leadership" of illiterate Oldma and his semi-literate brother Dribble, so anything is possible, you can't say it can't happen.

Also, the NC is going to be hugely overextended and unwieldy after this addition. Unless one of the main players moves to Delve whomever is settled there will be good for little more than occupying space, they certainly won't be able to defend it. They have to defend so much physical space now it will take forever to form up to do anything even WITH caps, supercaps and jump bridges. Their Achilles' heel will be trying to defend offenses in the North and in Delve at the same time. Can they do it?

[Don Peyote]

A small miscalculation in everyones thought process. Clusterfuck and CAAASEROL will have a vested interest in making sure Delve is stable. Providence only had AAA to look over it and when AAA got in trouble there was no big brother to enforce the balance. Delve fight club is in the interest of both bordering coalitions. So if the balance of the region is disturbed its reasonable to say you will see either Clusterfuck or CAASEROL steam in and stabilize the situation. Having a place for small gang PVP is great its also wise to not have 2 coalitions bordering eachother. This neutral zone will be a good compromise to give everyone content without massive dick swinging by bordering coalitions. Space engineering at its finest.

Manny you better make this work

[Vile rat]

A small miscalculation in everyones thought process. Clusterfuck and CAAASEROL will have a vested interest in making sure Delve is stable. Providence only had AAA to look over it and when AAA got in trouble there was no big brother to enforce the balance. Delve fight club is in the interest of both bordering coalitions. So if the balance of the region is disturbed its reasonable to say you will see either Clusterfuck or CAASEROL steam in and stabilize the situation. Having a place for small gang PVP is great its also wise to not have 2 coalitions bordering eachother. This neutral zone will be a good compromise to give everyone content without massive dick swinging by bordering coalitions. Space engineering at its finest.

Basically agreeing with this. Enforced area where neutral non aligned groups can have a shot.

[Mira Z]

Manny you better make this work

Fight Club can't go wrong twice in a row, surely?

[Petyr]

I think delve should be divided up between the north and southern forces and each side install several smaller alliances. These groups will need support and pipelines to empire so they can't survive on their own. Figure 6-10 smaller alliances installed; hunted by one group and supported by the other. Delve could be a thunderdome of awesome proportions.

This would be neat.

[Grim]

Fight Club can't go wrong twice in a row, surely?

What happens when the fight club get tired of being farmed and allies against you?

[Vile rat]

What happens when the fight club get tired of being farmed and allies against you?

Then the region gets exciting again and combat happens?

[Euphorion]

Delve right now has the potential to become the most interesting region in eve, if this is played right.

[ThemePending]

Provi fight club lasted awhile though, probably long enough for bob mk5 to reform and take a proper stab at it.

[John Caffeine]

What happens when the fight club get tired of being farmed and allies against you?

They get steamrolled, Delve is once again purged and Fightclub 2.0 is installed instead.

[Ripline]

Delve was built into small self-contained chunks anyway, the former IT corp constellations. Given how the game mechanics can support higher population density now it could easily support half a dozen or more small alliances and leave a little breathing room between the entities.

As an example, the constellations around Y5C , 39P and T-M0FA could each hold one medium sized entity each or provide just about everything for a medium-large alliance and still be comfortably isolated from Delve core.

[Mesto]

Delve.

Not Purple Shoot It.

[Lordo]

Well here is to another terrible thread. Don't never not stop making admins cut themselves.

But delve is truly a horrible place to live currently. The plan is to let IT (or those who still live there) to rot whilst we consolidate our gains over fountain and let test get setup in their new jewish paradise(fountain is literally israel). Then i guess we might take NOL and get random shit moved out of there that doesn't count as serious assets(which GIA have been getting out of there for months), including my rifter. Then fuck knows, delve is a piece of shit and you need to own at least another region just to bankroll owning it.

[IGE]

Perhaps I'm actually echoing what's being said above, but wouldn't it be smart for each coalition to basically put a group of blue alliances in there, divide it down the middle, and let the chaos begin. It seemed t hat Provi was crippled by the lack of sov warfare more than anything else. Need something to fight over at some point or else roaming gets unproductive (enemies dock up, are in different tz, blob you). Roaming pvp has been my life for 5 years and I will bitch non stop when we don't get it, but to a degree its dependant on the other side being motivated to come out. Sometimes you have to reinforce a moon or SBU a system to force a fight.

I think we can expect a divided Delve to provide good fights for some time, but eventually an organization on one side or the other will begin falling apart and growing alliance on the other side of the line will want to expand and will try their hand (then prob raped by other side's chief backer) or wont and will get frustrated. Sure they can leave, but maybe allow rule for NIP but with moons being fair game. Just an idea to alleviate some stagnation that may occur. Like I said, for months it would probably be a great deal regardless.

[Borza]

It seemed t hat Provi was crippled by the lack of sov warfare more than anything else.

The opposite actually. All the sov warfare meant 'temp blue' ended up lasting for the majority of the time, was little actual fight-clubbing.

[Don Peyote]

Well here is to another terrible thread. Don't never not stop making admins cut themselves.

But delve is truly a horrible place to live currently. The plan is to let IT (or those who still live there) to rot whilst we consolidate our gains over fountain and let test get setup in their new jewish paradise(fountain is literally israel). Then i guess we might take NOL and get random shit moved out of there that doesn't count as serious assets(which GIA have been getting out of there for months), including my rifter. Then fuck knows, delve is a piece of shit and you need to own at least another region just to bankroll owning it.

Yes this is a shit thread but that's what happens when I take the initiative and start something ;(

Besides whatever Delve becomes could be highly interesting. Anyone moving to Delve with the aim of taking the entire region is a basket case for the reasons you mentioned it could become just like every other region in EVE, but let's hope not.

[Pier]

This game has sunken pretty deep now that what once the richest area in the game will be given to some up and coming small groups, so that two big guys on either side can stomp on them regularly.

You gotta love the evolution (no pun intented) that invading other alliances for their space used to be the thing to do. Now alliances are just desperate to keep their pvp'ers on board so they will go to any length to install farming grounds next to their borders. If not, there is always some FOTM alliance, who does do something interesting.

Alliances still control too much space, and a dozen supercaps will still keep anything small from even having a fighting chance to stake their claim in 0.0.

[Mira Z]

Anyone moving to Delve with the aim of taking the entire region is a basket case.

Can you honestly name one alliance in EVE that isn't a basket case?

[Agathor]

Delve is so broken to day that nobody wants it?
Yea everything seems normal in EVE.

[Manny]

PL supers landing in KFIE ( npc delve station system).

[Don Peyote]

This game has sunken pretty deep now that what once the richest area in the game will be given to some up and coming small groups, so that two big guys on either side can stomp on them regularly.

You gotta love the evolution (no pun intented) that invading other alliances for their space used to be the thing to do. Now alliances are just desperate to keep their pvp'ers on board so they will go to any length to install farming grounds next to their borders. If not, there is always some FOTM alliance, who does do something interesting.

Alliances still control too much space, and a dozen supercaps will still keep anything small from even having a fighting chance to stake their claim in 0.0.

People want to have their cake and eat it. They want good fights, stability and lots of space. Delve needs to be a buffer so that Stainwagon and Clusterfuck don't start tearing at each other's throats or dicking with one another's sov all the time. The smaller alliances get a place to live, the bigger alliances get a buffer zone and somewhere to foster PvP talent, everybody wins (except for the smaller alliances risking being superblobbed). I do agree with your sentiment that it's sad how Delve is now useless though, the R64 nerf was not my favourite patch

[superstarmcawesome]

Can you honestly name one alliance in EVE that isn't a basket case?

Babylon5(dot)(dot)

[Altaica]

Perhaps I'm actually echoing what's being said above, but wouldn't it be smart for each coalition to basically put a group of blue alliances in there, divide it down the middle, and let the chaos begin. It seemed t hat Provi was crippled by the lack of sov warfare more than anything else. Need something to fight over at some point or else roaming gets unproductive (enemies dock up, are in different tz, blob you). Roaming pvp has been my life for 5 years and I will bitch non stop when we don't get it, but to a degree its dependant on the other side being motivated to come out. Sometimes you have to reinforce a moon or SBU a system to force a fight.

I think we can expect a divided Delve to provide good fights for some time, but eventually an organization on one side or the other will begin falling apart and growing alliance on the other side of the line will want to expand and will try their hand (then prob raped by other side's chief backer) or wont and will get frustrated. Sure they can leave, but maybe allow rule for NIP but with moons being fair game. Just an idea to alleviate some stagnation that may occur. Like I said, for months it would probably be a great deal regardless.

Having lived there I can fairly safely say that lack of targets wasn't too much of an issue in fite club provi, yeah sometimes you dock up but with lots of entities looking to roam through you fairly quickly get to the point where you have to have some sort of defense else you become docked up 90% of the time.

If you were to try to setup a NIP I'd suggest that the moons native to the constellation should remain untouched but the moons in the NPC space and the likely unclaimed pipe constellations can be fought over, leaving all the moons open could push people into sov-bill problems. If Hun weren't being so silly/stubborn about their presence in Fountain this would be an obvious move for them.

[Vonqueesha Shenaynay]

OMFG has left TEST Alliance and formed the alliance "Ultra-Violence"

They were in talks this morning with Vile Rat and Monty regarding dividing up the space. It's my understanding that UV will have the majority of the control down there and that TEST will be installing pets and renters there, most likely to offer some type of buffer zone.

CASSEROL (well, khanid coalition / cascade / AAA... dunno about ROL) and the Clusterfuck currently have a Non-Invasion Pact, agreeing that they'll shoot each other all day long but if one entity decides to invade anyone in the NIP, everyone else is supposed to come buttfuck them. So basically, the entire southwest is going to be a thunderdome

Stainwagon is going to seed Period Basis and reset the residents, like what AAA is doing with Q and did previously with Provi.

EDIT: UV is taking the space in Delve. Forgot to say this.

[Don Peyote]

OMFG has left TEST Alliance and formed the alliance "Ultra-Violence"

They were in talks this morning with Vile Rat and Monty regarding dividing up the space. It's my understanding that UV will have the majority of the control down there and that TEST will be installing pets and renters there, most likely to offer some type of buffer zone.

CASSEROL (well, khanid coalition / cascade / AAA... dunno about ROL) and the Clusterfuck currently have a Non-Invasion Pact, agreeing that they'll shoot each other all day long but if one entity decides to invade anyone in the NIP, everyone else is supposed to come buttfuck them. So basically, the entire southwest is going to be a thunderdome

Stainwagon is going to seed Period Basis and reset the residents, like what AAA is doing with Q and did previously with Provi.

Time to get my awesome Mad Max 1 police car

Editing in content : It'll certainly be fun times ahead in the southwest. The Clusterfuck and Stainwagon both need to keep each other tied up to prevent them attacking the DRF/NC. It's a shame we have only 3 1/2 powerblocs left but them's the breaks

[Shadowski]

The Dominion models make holding all three alone pretty impractical. I'd heard Period Basis was going to be ATAK's home and that if anything Delve would be the cumpot that everyone could gather round and use for gratification.

Galactic was in talks with Romanian Legion about Period Basis, but we opted not to stay there:

Basically they wanted Nulli Secunda to get the J8 constellation, Galactic Syndicate to get OY3, and Vera Cruz to get what they already have around TN-25J while RL themselves kept TPAR and the surrounding area. Everybody would do a standings reset, and it'd be a fight club situation with all entities responsible for making their own diplo contacts and blues and stuff.

If PB was ever invaded, we would all go blue and defend it together with Stainwagon support.

We opted not to take part because the route to empire via Querious by jump freighter/caps wasn't a sure thing, and to be perfectly honest, since we are not really allies, but a meat shield, they have no reason to ensure that our routes stayed clear.

So that's what they wanted to make out of Period Basis at least.

[IGE]

OMFG has left TEST Alliance and formed the alliance "Ultra-Violence"

They were in talks this morning with Vile Rat and Monty regarding dividing up the space. It's my understanding that UV will have the majority of the control down there and that TEST will be installing pets and renters there, most likely to offer some type of buffer zone.

CASSEROL (well, khanid coalition / cascade / AAA... dunno about ROL) and the Clusterfuck currently have a Non-Invasion Pact, agreeing that they'll shoot each other all day long but if one entity decides to invade anyone in the NIP, everyone else is supposed to come buttfuck them. So basically, the entire southwest is going to be a thunderdome

Stainwagon is going to seed Period Basis and reset the residents, like what AAA is doing with Q and did previously with Provi.

EDIT: UV is taking the space in Delve. Forgot to say this.

200 man alliance getting all the space in Delve? Wanna narow this down to a constellation?

[Vonqueesha Shenaynay]

Galactic was in talks with Romanian Legion about Period Basis, but we opted not to stay there:

Basically they wanted Nulli Secunda to get the J8 constellation, Galactic Syndicate to get OY3, and Vera Cruz to get what they already have around TN-25J while RL themselves kept TPAR and the surrounding area. Everybody would do a standings reset, and it'd be a fight club situation with all entities responsible for making their own diplo contacts and blues and stuff.

If PB was ever invaded, we would all go blue and defend it together with Stainwagon support.

We opted not to take part because the route to empire via Querious by jump freighter/caps wasn't a sure thing, and to be perfectly honest, since we are not really allies, but a meat shield, they have no reason to ensure that our routes stayed clear.

So that's what they wanted to make out of Period Basis at least.

Yeah this was basically my understanding as well, just didn't want to type out the :words:

I ran into Vera Cruz while scouting that area the other day. Who the fuck are they? They have like 5889379 fucking bubbles in the regional gate to Delve... are they ratting fucking champions or?

[Vonqueesha Shenaynay]

200 man alliance getting all the space in Delve? Wanna narow this down to a constellation?

I could have been ill-informed, but keep in mind the alliance just formed. All corp apps may not have gone through yet and you don't know how many corps have app'd. I'd like to think that after all Ducky did helping TEST and with the number of OMFG members who were on the Alliance Council, they'd get more than just a single pocket.