The Nullsec Manifesto
A whole lot of blurf, hurfed by Aaron Static, Tyrrhena Maxus and Giacomo Carissimi
Former CEOs & Directors of Igneus Auctorita [IGNE]
Contents:
Code:1. Introduction 2. Who we are 3. The Problems 3.1 Income Disparity 3.2 Reasons to log in = 0 4. The Solutions 4.1 Remove Local Auto-Update 4.1.1 Balancing ideas 4.2 Let the ISK flow 4.2.1 Taxes 4.2.2 Paid to fight 4.2.3 Reimbursement mechanics 4.3 The Dynamic Universe 5. The tl;dr
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Fixed.Originally Posted by Aaron Static
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Who?
I vaguely recall having heard of IGNE
because they are shit.
Several final solutions have been presented...
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I don't always play vidya games, but when I do, I prefer to watch a gate for two hours while my friends shoot NPCs.With no local, PvE, PvP and mining pilots will be required to work together. For example: a small gang with some scouts and EW would suffice to make it possible to rat. Position your scouts in adjacent systems on the gates to watch for enemies and tell everyone in your fleet if anything is spotted.
Oh cool, now alliances can have a position entitled Director of Carebear Security.The alliance executor should have the option to set a corporation tax that is taken from the corp’s own taxes, thereby giving them a reason to look after their ratters and provide military assistance at an alliance level.
Seems to conflict directly with the statement of "We’re in a self-perpetuating cycle of powerbloc formation..." If truesec varied based on ratting frequency, smaller alliances with only a few systems would be boned. Also, making ratting more difficult and tedious is fucking retarded.If a constellation has received alot of NPC kills scale down it’s lowsec and scale up an area that hasn’t had as many, forcing PvE pilots to spread out more.
I was going to ask this same question
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Read the part about removing local, instead of the current system they want a constellation wide local. That would make finding PvP even more fun!
I like how they call it "The Nullsec Manifesto", as if they speak for all of nullsec. What a bunch of fucking faggots.
1. not going to work since ppl won't grind sov just to get resources for few week? or maybe months.. requires too much work on logistics.
- Have valuable resources become suddenly available in a certain area of space until they run out, triggering 'space gold rushes.' People will then have to work together in order to secure an area, grab the resources, and get them out safely.
- Changing routes between star systems or making certain gates become 'disabled' due to stars going super nova etc
- Changing sec status (ie Caldari goes back to war with Gallente, plunging sections of their empire space into low or null sec)
- Alien contact made, perhaps some new NPC's to kill in a small region connected to New Eden for a short time until the alien race destroys a stargate and cuts off contact? A new line of ships/ technology?
2. how would this work with existing game story? How will this make eve better? ppl will just make route around it and it will annoy more ppl without adding any value to game
3. Its called faction warfare
3. Wormholes? why don't we ask for T3 frigates and mods
I'll give credit for coming up with ideas... But that doesn't mean any of them are good.
'Dynamics' in an MMO tend to be a farce, thinly veiled with the idea of keeping things fresh. That, and most of these just seem to make going out for 'gud fights' even more tedious than it already is.
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
Yes wonderful Idea! Remove local from 0.0 that way you get no notice at all from that cyno buzzard that has a 10 man Super cap Blob to drop on your lone ratting Drake, but it is ok the old bitter vets will log back in and play if you give them an easy way to get that hot fix instant gratification of PVP because there is no local and they think no one can see them then it must mean they will find Faction fit Navy Imperial Caldari Imperial Battleships in every system.
Remove local from 0.0 and 0.0 and Eve will die for good, end of story.
If you want to live where there is no local go find a fuckin wormhole faggott and climb in it and dont come the fuck out, and in a month tell me how l337 you are.
What is really needed is an expansion of new space open up 3 or 4 new regions of newly found 0.0 and give people some breathing room, make moving and deploying a Super Cap Blob actually hard instead of a 1 man alt cyno chain that can be done in 15 minutes to move from one side of Eve to the other. Make it so a Super can only jump 10 or 12 LY a day, make a Super a Super and not just a Super Carrier make it a Super Pain as well and not Super Easy.
Do a complete re roll of the 0.0 Moons period. Or make them deplete-able where once X amount of stuff is mined out it moves to another moon location after downtime, you have to go and scan all the moons again to find a new source.
Do away with Sov grind period, space is owned by occupancy if you claim 100 systems and you only use 3 or 4 of them then well no space for you, you have to have 6-8 guys in the system for at least 2-3 hours a day or the Sov will drop, dont use space you cant have space, or at least your name on it, that will encourage people to move into that space and use it, dont like them using it you say? Want to charge them 1 Billion ISK for rent? Well then go raom 75 jumps and find no targets and cry some more faggott.
0.0 can be fixed easily, people dont want to fix it, they want to blob up and beat their chest waving their 200 man Super Cap fleets yelling l337 PVP Mother Fucker!
Oh come on guys. It wasn't all bad ideas. There was ... um ... yeah .... Nevermind.
You make the op look good, stop it.
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
Aaron Static you should spend less time writing bad game development ideas and more time making fucking awesome Power Hours
I just read through that 3 times, except for 'arguably' the don't remove local segment that entire post was literally worse than the OP link, and I'm not even the type of guy who normally insults people.Yes wonderful Idea! :words:Fucker!
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
Look at this: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png and then you cry you have to go 70 jumps and find no targets save the ratting bots, well no wonder, you 0.0 dwellers for so long have rented space to the weak when you could of let him move in and then farm him, instead you rent to him and blue him up, blue up your neighbor, god forbid your neighbor cross the boarder with a rifter fitted with a gun to shoot your mining Osprey.
And I am the one crazy making bad postings?
The truth hurts, and the fact is you people wielding your 200 man Super Cap Blobs beating your chests yelling l337 PVP Mother Fucker are the exact ones crying and complaining that you have to go 50 jumps to find someone not blue or safed up like they have some sense when someone they dont know enters local.
My god man by the looks of that map you have to travel over 3/4 of Eve to find a target to shoot at. Because to me and the rest of Eve that Map right there looks like 3/4 of it is blue and the other 1/4 is Goons/Test and a flailing Delve leftovers trying to flee to empire.
Fix 0.0 you say, LOL I laugh at you all for comments like that.
CCP should hire this guy as lead game designer for "Call of Sparkly Vampires - Hat Warfare 514".
Yes, you are.. You're making so many terrible generalizations and assumptions that I can't be bothered to counter them all point per point on my phone.
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
I'm not even going to play DUST unless it has hats.
The people that actually care about #%^&$&^%# blues everywhere when they roam will end up in smaller groups not part of a bloc.
As for the issue addressed by the OP, fix lag so more supers actually die when blocs go head to head and remove the effortless income generated by bots (remove bots). Do that and you will have come a long way in making 0.0 more interesting. You can even combine the 2 by removing the titans owned by bot lords.
It is not a generalization or an assumption, look at this map, http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png look how many renters, look at how huge the blue list is on that map, go to Dotlan and see how unused that space is, and then you try and accuse me of making a terrible generalization? How dare you good sir!
most of that space is unused because 0.0 to -0.5 is literally worthless, and -0.5 to -0.7 can only support one or two people, and then the really low sec systems usually have a few cloakers there 24/7.
Let me tell you about coalitions and Eve...
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
words from 3 people who havent played the game in about a year
I ask you this, if your a small guy who means nothing in the shape of things, and has nothing, wants nothing, and cant get nothing, what would you rather have a system that you can actually rat in and make a few isk or a system that is perma camped by a few cloakers you cannot ever make isk in?
I will take the 8 belt system never used that is not upgraded to rat in before I would take the -1.0 system that is perma camped by a cloaky crew.
People think everything is supposed to be easy, I should make a few jumps though 0.0 and ISK wildly fly into my pockets with little to no effort, every system I go roaming in I should find Caldari Imperial Federation Navy Faction Officer Fitted Battleships willing to let themselves be taken in combat without a fight.
I know of 100's of people that would love to go live in those shitty low sec 0.0 systems, but guess what they dont want to be a pet and they wont pay rent so why should they even try? Why should they even attempt to go into 0.0 and secure a single system for themselves when you have literally 3/4 of Eve blued up to each other and a small 100 man Alliance would have no real chance in hell of setting up a POS in a non used system and starting out on their own.
You 0.0 dwellers demand you pay this rent, and blue this group, and then must only rat here and mine there, and then wonder why there are no targets. There are no targets because you blue up and rent everything out so no one can even try to get to 0.0 and strike out on their own. That is why there are no targets. Everyone is a pet, renter, alt corp, bot, whatever and it goes on forever. through multiple regions the same story.
Waaa no targets! Want targets dont rent out the half entirety of 0.0 and blue up the other half, then you will have targets, you will have people coming to 0.0 not afraid of the landlord demanding billions for crap systems no one wants anyway, you will have people coming to 0.0 when every single system in 0.0 is not claimed by some mega block afraid someone might use that unused space. Want people in 0.0 stop dropping 30 man gangs and supers on a single ship cause it is the only target you found today and your bored.
When is enough enough? Why is it always CCP ruining my game, when does it become me ruining my game with my constant retardation?
does that make this the forum with 70% of posters who haven't played the game in about a year?
Every rifter counts friend
Nice rant too bad no one here gives a shit.
The afk cloaking is a symptom of the instantly updating local. It's probably the only way you'll get remotely close to catching a human ratter. The only way you'll catch properly set up bot is if it's scrambled by rats in the belt when you enter and you're exceptional with the scanner and it's a small system. Removing local and setting it to constellation still isn't the magical cure all that belt pirates expect it to be. No local would increase time spent actively looking for targets certainly and knowing how the EVE community works people would more than likely set optical overview reading bots up on gates to spam intel channels in the major ratting hotspots.
The root cause of most of EVE's problems stems from botting and cyno/jumpbridge ships. Nobody travels the pipes any longer. Why risk your fancy new Drake you bought from Jita when Joehauler can JF it out? This removes the element of gatecamps and homeland defense gangs. Botting removes the belt pirate from 0.0 so there is literally no point in defending your space. If anything, actively defending space from small gang incursions only yields more of them since you'll be known as someone who does "good fitez" so it's more prudent to not engage. Now that the PvP element has been reduced to sov related fighting which is minimalist effort at best. Fleet ops run maybe once or twice a week mainly focused on the weekends, you only have the PvE aspect to keep you engaged in EVE. Why bother ratting when a bot can do it more effectively and pay for your and multiple other alt accounts without any risk? The bot runs so well since nobody bothers trying to gank them any longer that you'll run a surplus and manage to buy that perfectly skilled Supercapital alt you wanted and pay for your very own Supercap too! Now you're contributing into making the last bastion of PvP an unrewarding shitheap grind.
The entire fucking thing is cyclical and CCP and more than likely most players don't know how to solve it. The only way I could envision it being fixed is literally a server reset. Character, wealth and item mudflation has long since entered the danger zone for a typical MMO.
In this document we will identify some fundamental problems with nullsec from the perspective of an average alliance member and/or seasoned PvPer.
and/or self-appointed, self-aggrandizing, self-promoting, self-important internet dork with delusions of grandeur.
Believe me, the bit on local was just as bad.
I would go to highsec and make more isk, at no risk, doing missions or incursions. oh wait, most people do that already anyway.
you still have to travel from system to system due to the JB nerf, camp those areas. you don't want PVP, you just want ganks using cloaky ships that run away from any actual pvp engagement. I dunno where you're from, but my alliance runs multiple homedef gangs daily.
I know you're angry and all that, but your assumption that people look for targets in their own space is flat out retarded. Fact is most of those entities that look for pvp are based next to hostile areas, nowhere near said '70 jump blue zone'.
Nice rant too bad no one here gives a shit.
Wouldnt be Kugu if people started caring and stopped ranting.
THIS!
Giacomo was shooting dudes with delvegoons until pl moved to delve, so 8 months
Your assumption that I am assuming people look for targets in their own space is indeed worthy of me thinking you are a Jerry's Kid.
My argument is that people living in 0.0 create a 70 jump area where they sit on the boarder while the space in the middle goes to waste while sperging there are no targets and solo pvp is dead. If you had not created region upon region of renters, botters, pets, blues upon blues you would not have to travel more than a few jumps to find action.
My point is that it is more than likely you have ruined your own 0.0 experience by renting out everything and bluing up everything in 70 jumps to find that you have blued yourselves into a corner from where there is no escape, and nothing CCP can do will ever fix that. It will take a minute to think and realize that you who live in 0.0 and blue up every thing might have 90% of something to do with the lack of targets more than CCP has ever had to do with ruining the game.
This is a serious outside objective view of the state of 0.0, just take a step back and look at what you guys have done to it.
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You're still assuming we all blue each other into happy fun carebear land, which isn't the case at all. Even if that were the case (which it's not), that still doesn't address the actual issues of 0.0 combat and life, which most of us have already mentioned ad nauseam.
i agree with reallymatter. who disagree can suck my greasy balls.
ReallyMatter, commenting on 0.0 even though he admits he doesn't live in it. Thats the single biggest problem that 0.0 has right now, its functions are being decided by people who don't live in it, so kindly fuck off with your ill formed opinions, thanks.
You guys disagreeing with this guy must have missed this bit. He doesn't live in nullsec therefore he's completely objective about it. Meanwhile I think Europeans should drive on the right side of the road. Having never been to Europe, this is an objective outside view and therefore irrefutable.
Sigh. I'm not even going to bother anymore.
NO NOT BELIEVIN IN YOURSELF.
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I'd backpedal but really this illustrates my point so completely that I'm not even going to bother.
It would be nice to see some stats, someone do all my research for me, is there anything which shows nullsec activity levels? I would be keen to see the nullsec population stats pre dominion, through the rise of DRF, past the anomaly nerf and forward. I guess we can see 'ships destroyed' in 0.0 to some respect, which would give an indication, but we'd have to account for the large fleet battles.
Given the continuation of complaining (myself included) on the state of nullsec, is it safe to assume that there are less people living in nullsec now than 12 months ago? It certainly feels that way in my area. My area appears to be populated by folks who PVP a bit but make most of their income in highsec, whereas 12 months ago most people made their income in nullsec as well.
What about smaller alliances? Are there more now than before? The stated goals of CCPs nullsec tweaks are to try and break up the large blocs and promote small alliances making it, but it certainly feels like we traded one large powerbloc (NC) for an even larger one, with the added downside that this new bloc (DRF) relies on concentrations of 30-100 supers with a smaller subcap fleet, less numbers, and has large tracts of very empty space behind its front lines. It seems that smaller alliances have an even harder time living in nullsec now than they did 12 months ago, and even if they hold space, they don't live there in the density they used to.
I've said it before and i'll keep saying it - as much as we sperg about how bad the mid-tier alliances are (IRC, I0, CVA, IEG) nullsec needs more of these smaller guys to provide the bodies in space that create the targets and the demand for industry in nullsec, and everything CCP has done in the last 12+ months has been detrimental to their survival outside of renter status.
Or maybe the numbers actually say otherwise, i don't know, be interesting to see some stats though.
I rarely log anymore so I guess my opinion is of little import but I had much the same experience when the old NC had a dozen regions. I more or less had to choose between joining a small gang of a hundred guys to roam 50 jumps or die to a similarly sized gang. When I did manage to solo or join a reasonable size gang, I'd catch the guy I was stalking just in time for thirty random blues to shoot him for me. I think I may have had a single solo kill in the last six months up there.
I won't say there was no fun to be had at all but what fun was available was not varied and generally included lots of lag, blob ganks, or both. It's boring to me and I doubt I'm alone.
I used to live there, had a blast, then the retardation started and I found low sec to be more of an 0.0 that I remember and enjoyed than real 0.0 is now. Matter of fact I may have lived in 0.0 longer than most of you considering I have been playing Eve for 6 or 7 years now.
To me and most of Eve 0.0 is nothing more than a blob fest of Super proportions with a sting of blues that if stopped the man in the rear would be 2 days getting the signal that the ship stopped causing a pile up like that of autobahn wreck proportions.
If you can sit there and say without smirking and lightning striking you dead that you enjoy fighting 1000 - 1500 lagged out dudes in a system where nothing works and the node dies your a moron.
CCP does not need to fix Eve, CCP needs to fix they way the morons are playing it.
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