We are literally the new NC, which makes you the new TRI i guessOriginally Posted by Lordo
We are literally the new NC, which makes you the new TRI i guess
Wait what? I thought we were the NNC. I'm so confused, someone hold me.
is PL still hired by russians? and if so, how much was the new contract?
50b, two super carriers and a mobility chair.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
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(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
(21:39:57) dabigredboat: nobody trusts them
(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
nah cant rmt a titan for shit right now, no one is buying. thanks ccp
(4:51:07 PM) dabigredboat: theadj because im the best around, and nothings ever going to get me down :yeah:
(4:51:37 PM) Vee: its hard to get down when you´re shaped like a ball
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Anybody care to post the ceo update for us?
imagine there's a monocle in the car
CEO Update:
It's been a busy few days. You may have noticed: EVE is on fire and reeling, and not in the fun "we're at war and having space battles wheeee!!!" sense - though there are space battles taking place - but in the slightly more hysterical yet increasingly real "holy shit, CCP seems hellbent on becoming the next Sony" situation.
What The Fuck Has Happened?
First, some context. Within the course of about two weeks, CCP stunned the playerbase with a series of hijinks. First was the Golden Scorpion controversy, which CCP climbed down from - using AUR to buy a Scorpion with a golden paintjob from the ether. Then there was the $99 Monetization scandal, where CCP announced that they wanted a hundred bucks a year for "3rd Party Apps" which might also include fansites. Again, CCP climbed down in the face of howls of protest. The Alliance Tournament Final ended up rigged, which wasn't CCP's fault but infuriated many of the viewers (I thought it was funny, but w/e). Then Incarna was released with $70 Monocles, and EN24 leaked the Greed Is Good CCP internal newsletter, which showcased their apparent love of all things microtransaction.
The real controversy, of course, is not the silliness of a $70 monocle, though that does seem to indicate the venality and greed of the CCP higher-ups to many players. The controversy is the shadow lurking behind the monocle, hinted at in the Greed is Good newsletter: gold in the sandbox, a "pay to win" gold-ammo situation in EVE. Pay to Win is common enough in Free to Play MMOs, and quite profitable, but the fear among players is that CCP is trying to meld both subscription and FtP revenue models into an especially shitty, expensive product.
A product that allegedly is busy melting down ATI video cards.
So hot on the heels of Greed is Good, CCP posted an absolutely comical "please be nice to us" thread on eve-o, which has become the largest threadnaught in history. This went about as well as could be expected; reports of mass-unsubbings became rampant.
In order to try to staunch the bleeding, CCP Zulu posted a devblog which has now famously equated virtual widgets with real-life goods. PC Gamer has picked up on this blog, and not in a good way. The tone of the blog and the follow up post, which amounts to 'shut up ugh' is readily apparent.
Meanwhile, Jita, Amarr and other hubs have been brought to virtual shutdown by 'protests' of pubbies shooting statues and overloading the nodes while howling for CCP's blood, mad about the NeX, the Captains Quarters, Incarna sucking, the spectre of gold ammo, or just setting things on fire for the sheer primal joy of watching everything burn.
And to think, it gets worse!
Last night, while I was on Eve Radio discussing the unfolding crisis with some other CSMs, another leak broke: a global email sent from Hilmar, CCP's CEO, congratulating the company on the 'successful launch' of Incarna and selling a whopping 52 Monocles. Most froth-inducing was the statement that:
[size=12pt]"Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change."[/size]
So that went well. CCP appears to be leaking like a sieve. Given the recent authenticated reviews of the company that have popped up on Glassdoor during the past month, that's not a surprise.
What's happened here is a whole nexus of rage from many corners of the playerbase was ignited by one catalyst. Some are angry that Incarna has no real content for veteran players. Some are angry about NeX vanity items being too expensive; some are angry that NeX exists at all. Most appear to be horrified by the lurking shadow of Pay to Win, and just about everyone is pissed off at the dismissive, condescending and money-hungry attitudes displayed in the CCP newsletter, the Hilmar email, and the damage control devblogs.
Why Do We Give A Shit?
I and the rest of the CSM have been extremely blunt in our demands that CCP issue a formal disavowal of 'gold ammo', non-vanity microtransactions, or otherwise bleeding gold into the sandbox of EVE. My impression is that a quick "Look, the monocles are expensive, but we're not doing gold ammo" would have ended this crisis days ago and CCP wouldn't be down at least 2500 accounts. The fact that CCP has remained silent on the issue is increasingly being taken to imply what everyone fears - that a company which would without irony charge $70 for a space monocle will issue $250 i-win lasers.
A few years ago, we saw the impact that 'oligarchs' had on the nullsec metagame, when Red Overlord had SerLordex spend a hundred thousand dollars on Eve Online, A Bad Game. The kind of economic distortion that would come from a legalized and pervasive 'gold ammo' style of gameplay would mean that, in order to stay competitive, every PvP entity would be obliged to acquire and use gameplay-enhancing gold items or suffer for their austerity. Perhaps some of you think that 'Pay to Win' is acceptable in a competitive subscription MMO; I do not.
What The Fuck Were They Thinking?
This is my impression of what happened, not based on any NDA information or CSM Secret Squirrel shit.
CCP's Virtual Goods store tried to imitate the business concept of Starbucks. The great Starbucks trick was coming up with a fancy setting and bourgie babby coffee shops, changing the environment of 'buying coffee' enough that the consumer was willing to pay $4 for a cup of coffee where previously he would buy the same drink at Dunkin Donuts for a $1.
Reading Zulu's blog where he emphasizes that EVE is a 'premium experience' and references designer jeans, it seems like the CCP Marketing department hoped to do the same thing. EVE is so special and spiffy and cool, you see, that in EVE you're not buying a hat for a dollar or two like in Team Fortress, or an entire wardrobe in Star Trek Online for seven bucks. Those games are Dunkin Donuts. EVE is Starbucks - it's just so different that you'll buy ~virtual goods~ that are almost ten times the prices of comparable MMOs.
The problem, of course, is that EVE is a broken game. The ship balance is terrible, nullsec desperately needs a revamp, the PvE is laughable, and playing without goons is like stabbing yourself in the balls over and over again. EVE is not a 'premium experience' as it currently stands - particularly if your ATI video card just overheated and died when you tried to load your Captain's Quarters.
So it flopped. CCP tried to distinguish EVE from other MMOs in terms of microtransaction pricing, and now people are running around in lynch mobs wardeccing and blowing up anyone who's actually bought something from the NeX. Selling a virtual shirt that costs more than the real shirts in your own company's store was probably not the suavest move, either.
Where Could This Go?
Rumors indicate that ~5000 unsubs have occurred already; there is already significant media blowback over the Monocle, the protests and the CEO letter, with the gaming press unilaterally taking the side of the outraged playerbase. Unless CCP deploys effective damage control and takes charge of the situation, the risk is that the game itself could see an exodus and abrupt subscriber deflation. Meanwhile, a number of 'famous players' such as Ombey, Helicity Boson and Lallante have loudly thrown in the towel and are playing Perpetuum or Tanks or whatever. These people may be pubbie fucks that we don't care about, but many other pubbie fucks follow them as they are ~opinion leaders~.
Even without the head-up-ass public relations crisis, the Incarna release doesn't look good for CCP. Usually an expansion results in a huge activity spike in subs and online users. While we don't have access to subs information, anyone can chart the downward slope in average users online since January 2011.
While in nullsec we have ties to this game that are primarily social and competitive, Joe Pubbie just wants to spin his CNR in a mission hub; there's not much holding the 80% of the Empire subscribers in this game, should there be an obvious stampede towards the exits. And if they do, the economy of the EVE goes into the shitter overnight, CCP's planned 'revenue stream' to fund DUST and WoD vanishes - which will make them even more eager to extract capital from what players remain in the game - and the media has a field day making Horse Armor and SWG:NGE jokes. That's the Doomsday Scenario.
What's Actually Happening In Space?
Pure Blind tech moons are under sustained attack because PL lost the AT and needs cash money. We've done a good job defending them under jammers, but we lost a Titan and an Aeon the other day due to a bug which allowed cynos to be lit in jammed systems; my understanding is that they should be reimbursed.
I'm pleased to see that reactive ops are generally working out well; our enemies have a harder time preparing for us to have formups, so we're not getting superblobbed nearly as much, and meanwhile our own supers are getting some exercise.
TEST fucked up and didn't have an IHUB in NOL; the system was SBU'd, but they formed up almost 1000 people to defend it, so our little buddies should be in good shape Delvewise.
Needless to say, it's kind of hard to get worked up about the vicissitudes of nullsec politics when CCP seems to be openly daring their playerbase to fuck off to better games. I'm probably going to have to go to Iceland soon, again.
What Should GSF Do?
Continue with reactive strategic ops. If you have bullshit alts that don't contribute to strategic defense, feel free to give CCP the finger and cancel their subs (many in the CSM are openly calling for mass unsubs in protest), but I'd prefer not to lose Deklein to ragequits only to find that CCP pulls shit out of a tailspin at the last moment and we're screwed.
Meanwhile, if the galaxy is burning, might as well enjoy it! :frankfrank:
This is gonna be fun to watch
I wonder if mittens could be persuaded to go on a hulkageddon/wardeccing rampage in hisec.
Is Shadoo, who is now trying perpetuum, a pubbie fuck?
I know nunu is retarded but what did traderjohn do to earn the name traitorjohn?
No, but it would probably be interesting to read his analysis if he posts one. I've heard people discussing it a lot but also some suggestion it's not that great a game. Though most of the complaints were that it was dominated by overpowered gear which I guess PL might take as a challengeIs Shadoo, who is now trying perpetuum, a pubbie fuck?
Every post I've seen from the CSM seems to be aresponse to CCP. Mittani is on par with this and I'm sure he will do his part of sending angry, sexual letters to CCP.
If that mail that went out over the "predictable" behavior is legit. God help them. God help us all.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
I'm not really sure what to say. Mitten's summary seems just that; a summary, and it certainly doesn't seem to persuade me to change my mind about about unsubbing despite how much fun the DC has given me the past year. That's certainly not his fault. God damn CCP is shit.
fake edit: yeah, I'm p. mad and feel free to negrep me v0v.
When he was in Iron he traded an Alliance moon for a Mom and got caught was expelled and left to aaa where he was caught on Ts spying on his fleet, they called a special op next day and he was asked to bring his ship...well they popod it in a balze of glory.
Traiterjohn...
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He was actually caught on ventrilo in an empty channel, with the wrong push-to-talk (not actually spying on any fleet) but giving intel away on alliance movements, and he actually self-destructed his Archon rather than die to me :3 This was circa late-2007.
We didn't actually ever call him traitorjohn though, so that must have emerged later.
Why wouldn't it be legit? CCP fucks up constantly and this is how they react every single time.Every post I've seen from the CSM seems to be a
If that mail that went out over the "predictable" behavior is legit. God help them. God help us all.
This is eve online. Never assume, with certainty, authanticity. It allows for plausible backpeddling
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
CCP Manifest confirmed it's real.
http://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Manifest
It was confirmed through implication to be real before that too, since people posting the email on the eveonline forums were getting banned/suspended for breaking "rule 9" which is:
I hope you weren't expecting a sales pitch or defense of CCP? It's much more about enjoying the flames, drama and CCP being incompetent.
Already unsubbed my spy alts...
Anyone looking at Perpetuum or World of Tanks (F2P with in game shop) as options should realize that they both are really horrible games compared to EVE which is already an awful game.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to stay subbed. Take that for what you will. :/
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Congratulations, you're back to the image of that ancient chill, and yet always mad at CCP Mittani, that we all liked. That's a pretty nice post and also very informative for me personally.
Hey chill mittens can you unban the lobby crew
Did He Pay His Tenbux?Is Shadoo, who is now trying perpetuum, a pubbie fuck?
FWIW if CCP doesn't fix itself posthaste I, too, will be a dot on the fucking horizon (already unsubbed my account so niggas got like a month)
I didn't think lobby crew were ever actually banned, they raged and fucked off somewhere else all by themselves.
Lobby crew, as I understand it at any rate, were moved from the lobby to a separate channel, near or at the bottom of the TS list. This aggression could not stand.
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but my little spider robot is so cute
Did Perpetuum suddenly get awesome since the Beta?
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No EVE is just turning in to an even shittier game which makes Perpetuum seem better than before.
I'm still a noob and everything is shiney so take this with a pinch of salt but i'm really enjoying evebots and it's great feeling like a lost little noob with no fucking idea what i'm doing again. Also the eve refugee channel "EVE" is a cool place to hang out. The community seems chill and helpful too.
I doubt it, but its probably the next worse thing to eve. So people will prolly flood in there.
Perpeuum is still ugly and buggy. Really ugly.
Is there a TEST / Goon corp?
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There are options, but they're all very niche games. I found this Freelancer-like MMO that shows some promise, I'm gonna try it out now. Thing is, even for a niche game, this one appears to be pretty small.
Thing about Perpetuum is that I don't think I'll get suckered into another "You'll start doing half-decent in 6 months" game, and with the same mechanics as EvE which I have already grown to hate.
There's Global Agenda too. It's pretty stupid though, but we had a Kugu corp in there like a year back. F2P i think
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I actually think GA is more fun than TF2.
Global agenda has the same problem as all the MMOFPS games (crimecraft, APB) do. They're not as good as the dedicated FPS games and the idea of centralized servers means latency which is death to twitch based games. Nor does the MMO aspects tend to add much. They need a strategic layer that works and none of them have it.
Going to have to try perpetuum.
:frogout:
perpetuum is patching at 4kb/s. piece of shit game
funny enough, i think my biggest issue with Perp is that in EVE i make passive income money and then buy any ship i want willy nilly to fuck around with until it blows up. in Perp i was running noob missions and constantly looking for something to exploit so that i don't need to grind
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According to the EVE channel most pubs in Perp hate selling caracals on the open market because they feel it helps their enemies. So a devil may care(bear) industrialist should find the markets wide open.
I got high and realized you all - Mittani included - are pubbies reveling in the attention this public relations fuck up has afforded you. Christ, I said to myself, christ.
Mech Warrior Online? Do want
It actually existed at one time. But it was never really given any attention, even by its own developers.
The whole battletech property is kind of languishing at the moment.
But yeah it would make a spectacular modern mmo, I'd buy it in a second if it held true to its universe.
Some men just take pleasure in watching things burn.
I've been saying this for years now, eve + the battletech universe would own so fucking hard.
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