Most guys who bot for personal isk and not RMT are probably only running one or two clients, not 30, but his math isn't far off otherwiseOriginally Posted by Mira Z
I've not been East in a while but I'd bet the problem isn't the prevalent botting (which is p much everywhere) but the lack of any non-botters to hide them
After Etherium Reach the Drone Regions turn into Siberia (Look a russia analogy)
The Botting article is now up on EN24 and I found it to be pretty good. I once flew through the DR in a Tristan and had a similar experience of people leaving local the second I entered the system.
That botting article actually did a fair bit to redeem EVEnews24, in my mind. I fully expect there to still be a majority of shitty, poorly written, biased articles, but I can filter.
My favourite are ice belt systems. Jumping in , local 2 guys empty, 25 macinaws an orca, 2 haulers and a rorq on scan.
few seconds later all the machinaws gone from scan ;>
KKM - Kugutsumen Karma Mafia
Its been like that since I remember.
Last time I saw a real person mine ice, ASCN was still around.
Oh good lord that's a long time ago... back when titans were rare *sigh*
No I wasn't playing back then, I'm just having sympathetic nostalgia
Yeah been awhile, canīt really imagine anyone mining on their own free will tho.
Itīs a soul crushing experience much like sov grinding.
When I had a char in a particular corp in Mostly Harmless, we got a corpmail from 'High Command' telling us we weren't supposed to go near branch for ANY reason whatsover, as it was restricted to high ranking alliance members and was their 'Supercapital Nervecentre'. Although off the record I was told 3-i and ukc (the 2 corps responsible for keeping MH shitty as possible to the present day) had the sov constellations in branch reserved for their macro ops, which I still believe is the case.
Interesting...
Next time a wormhole opens to Branch I'm setting up a little guerilla op. Mostly Harmless bots must be even more inept than the players (cheap I know)
Branch is perfect for CSAAs though, so far away from anything
EVEnews24 needs to upgrade their fucking servers before they can be redeemed. Their "carrier-pigeons flying floppy disks to the Internet" connection model isn't working out.
I have no idea what libel/defamation laws are like where Riv lives, but alleging that someone is botting is not libelous per se at common law. Generally, as such, the botter would have to prove damages. It would be p. difficult to establish a concrete financial loss traceable to allegations of conduct in an internet spaceship game (particularly if you also sought to maintain the position that you were not running it as an RMT business).
Truth is almost everywhere a defense to libel.
Unless riv and/or EN24 has assets in some banana republic jurisdiction (say, Russia), a plaintiff in said jurisdiction would be unable to assert personal jurisdiction over the riv/EN24. Even in laughable banana republics, courts are generally quite hesitant to assert jurisdiction over defendants who don't live there and have no assets there, because levying judgments that they have no power to enforce makes them look like morons.
Mr 1 shitty post, I say sue me, please...
Internets Spaceships International Laws!!! Srs Bsns!!
I hope your bots get banned.
Also, am publicly announcing that if those bots are not banned within a month, am publishing a HOW-TO article for noobs on safe-botting, since CCP don't seem to care, I say we should take things to the next level.
We upgraded to a dedicated one, i tell you, hosting is already costly, let alone having a quad-core dedicated.
the DDoS was shit, we have it controlled for the most part.
R
Mr 1 shitty post, I say sue me, please...
Internets Spaceships International Laws!!! Srs Bsns!!
I hope your bots get banned.
Could you get the situation more wrong if you tried? The guy you just flamed was defending EN24's position not threatening to sue you moron. No wonder you are a Four bar shit poster, truly brainless.
Please do this. You can be an EVE Online hero.
Taking trolling to the next level... how about that!
Man, it's 4:35 am, my head hurts, and I flamed the wrong guy... new guy, please do go on and neg-rep me... i deserve it!
quad 286 core?
Some crap that cost 150/mo...
Seriously, Why not?
A bot in every system. An officer in every belt.
Confirming Northern Venal is the place to be
i hardly lose 1 ship at month.
using tengu immune to buble etc. when i lose a ship is cause a blue tackler. spy inside nc.
sorry you dont know a fuck if you think that russian or nc, live from theyr technetium. they live from theyr renters who use shitload of bots. so they can say, hey we not bot, we are "clear", becouse they not do that directly, they sit theyr ass on an empire formed by over 2 thousand botters. from red citizens, to solar wing, to shadow of xxdeathx to white angels.
have you an idea what 2 thousand bots generate in term of isk ? of course they not take all of that, but a small %
but for give you a roughly income from someone that do over 300b/month.
2000bot = 30000 b. considering they asked even 3-4b for a good sys 0.80 true low and 20belt, the average renter lets say spend 2b (not all sys are that good)
that means 4000b /month.
+ station income
+minerals taxes
+ market income.
+ high ends.
you can even divide that to only 2 trillion isk (2000b) month, if you wanna consider only 1b as average rent, that means every of this 4 alliance, do 500b/month only by rent income .
and ppl still talk about high ends? stfu, and open your eyes.
white noise first than come on venal, where no one, in 6 months i saw 40 bot from them. and from an ally of 600 ppl with 2-3 ms, they exit from venal after 8 months sitting in with 20 ms 7 titan, and shitload of capitals.
how they made that money,? owning no space, having no renters, having no high ends? 40 bots, who generate more income than all technetium in nord.
Sad but at least partially true. Anyone remember Junior SvK's mail that said "Don't convo the ratters, they don't speak our language"?
Atleast TEST and Goons share some isk with their members. The rest of the NC is like some black hole.
Vuk could prop buy 100 SC on whim for his guys. Instead all you see is a sea of drakes that members have to pay for them selfs...
Guess that new house he bought did a number on the NC coffers.
still not get eh ?
one things is an rmfhorus who bot for himself or selling that isk, one things is entire alliance base theyr poower on bots, like white noise did, an ally with 30 bot, have the same economic power of the entire north. this is a game balance break. who fuck the entire game. removing all sense to kill titans, conquering space etc.
is at best a race to bot more than your enemy , if previously was, have more cap or supercaps now, the key for win eve is cheat more than your enemy
WN did hold some of the 72 Venal tech moons, probably enough to buy a capfleet that size over 8 months. However they probably couldn'tve bought much else if it was solely tech, so they probably did bot.
Still, they are the only ones that have any chance and balls to attack the NC.
20 trillion in tech is nothing to talk about though.
ų
probably?
i am not talking on IF, or theory, i personal fighted theyr botter corps, for install mine. i know every single system of venal and stain, and can tell you who have a bot and where. including single razor leaders. (how i know? becouse after i camped one of them for a week, he removed one of my alt corp that he was able to link to my neutral char, from the renter alliance, until we made a pact, i not harass him and vice-versa)
returning to white noise this same corp i fighted now, SURPRISE SURPRISE, IS IN DETORID.
like burn eden have theyr in stain. etc etc
ppl like you need to open theyr fucking eyes, and start understand that bots in term of isk, is 300x more a game balance break, that what was t20 scandal, and since ccp dont give a fuck now all is done at light of sun. with entire corp dedicated to this.
Agreed. The main reason the DRF want Geminate so bad is for access to that gigantic legitimate, easy-to-access vein of ISK.
I don't have the luxury of that experience, which is why I qualified it with probably. since you know what you're talking about I think I'll have to take your word for it
on drone region bots, collect compounds, like mine bots selectively, loot only faction and officer, you can say to the bot to loot compounds than when cargo is at certain %, to unload all in a pos hangar or giants.
than once a month you go and sell that stuff in empire, or build station/supercap where you are, otherwise you can directly mining bot., drone region is no more an issue for botting. of course direct isk is better
If they reveal the name of a single account that was not a botter, and that account gets banned, then they will have made a false and libellous accusation of a EULA violation (which is considered a legally actionable event or whatever, see the WoW bot case), potentially leading to destruction or impoundment of real value assets. You and I can debate whether the account is a real value asset or not (particularly if selling it directly would also violate the EULA) but it doesn't matter. When I say 'banana republic' all you really need is the United Kingdom, the most notorious exception to your 'truth as defense' statement, where libel laws grotesquely favor the 'victim', and where it wouldn't take much to get a judge to potentially sieze the domain name or worse even before a case goes to court (and where the Eve servers actually are, if that ends up being a jurisdictional issue.) You don't have to -win- a libel (or, really, much any tort) case if your real goal is to just be as shitty as possible to the target, and your wherewithal to prosecute the case exceeds their ability to defend.
Really the people who should be hunting the bots (and exposing themselves to any legal stupidity) are CCP themselves, and with more than enough rmtHoruses out there willing to admitt to botting it's questionable if it's worth the risk of 3rd parties calling out false positives.
Confirming UK libel laws are incredibly sympathetic towards the victim. Just look at the News Of The World Phone tapping scandal ; We know it's happened to some people but so many people are filing class action suits because they think they 'Might' have been phone tapped it's hard to seperate who actually has a case and who doesn't
I have Leonard J. Crabs on retainer
"I just lawyered the FUCK out of you"
Derailing the thread, here we go:
The thing is you never purchased anything from ccp. Playing eve is a rental agreement on using their servers and game by logging in and having the game experience? Ever read that line in the eula where it say "all your stuff is belong to ccp" ?
That's exactly what this is about, you don't have any assets in eve, all u have is a "rental agreement" and since we have freedom of contract even in most banana-states and ccp can decide not to have a contract with you there is next to no chance of that stuff ever getting into court
KKM - Kugutsumen Karma Mafia
Deleting a quote from gf.com that should stay there
This would matter if you were suing CCP to get the account back. In this case you are accusing a third party of making a false and libellous statement that caused CCP to terminate the rental contract prematurely. Like I said, the actual value of the account/assets isn't really relevant. (IANAL)
These botting articles are kind of like telling a poor columbian/afghan farmer how much more money he could make by planting coca/poppies instead of boring old wheat/corn
First rule of about botting durpty durr
Second rule durpty durr
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Just so you know, trying to get that red bar as big as possible isn't cool or clever.. Judging from some of your posts I'm almost under the impression that you're proud of this. Y'know, this is a forum - not Pokemon. You can't get all the negrep in the world, but that doesn't seem to stop you from trying.Taking trolling to the next level... how about that!
Man, it's 4:35 am, my head hurts, and I flamed the wrong guy... new guy, please do go on and neg-rep me... i deserve it!
through all the frothing at the mouth i think i saw something about the NC not living off of Technetium...
oh wow
I'm pretty sure CCP's EULA actually includes the words "We can do whatever the fuck we want with your account at any time; we're just nice enough not to."
Seriously, I'm sure CCP's considered the legal ramifications and made the EULA worded so that people can't sue over what happens to their accounts.
The EULA is not considered legally binding in most cases anyways. It pretends it is but any sort of court challenge to it and it will usually fall apart.
the EULA makes its so that the accounts are never "yours", they are the property of CCP and as such they can do whatever the fuck they want with them.
It is irrelevant since CCP wouldn't be the defendant
I don't get any JuniorSVK mails (does he have the same entertaining mannerism in writing?) but a few RAGE guys did pass this along some months back:
I was pretty meh on the whole thing (everyone likes renters, right?) until they pointed out that there was no indication made of what language they might communicate with, never reported anything in intel (even when multiple supers were in the system) and to a man had autoreject on. A few roams going through there pretty much confirmed it, they never say anything, even if you pop on-grid and point them or continuously rep the rats.Kalavala Ratting Rights
From: mojohal
Sent: 2010.11.12 23:32
To: R.A.G.E,
@ All
RAGE Alliance has assigned BELT RATTING RIGHTS to C.A.L.M Alliance in the Following Drone Lands Systems;
J-OAH2
BZ-BCK
o5-YNW
IUU3-L
5-VFC6
S-LHPJ
Those systems are still open to RAGE members to exploit for Anoms, Plexes, and Mining. Miners MUST be able to tank the belt rats there, as killing them in not permissible. Miners unable to tank the belt rats in the above mentioned system may use FB5U-I or 86L-9F, as the belt rats in these two systems are free for RAGE members to use and kill as they see fit.
Most of the current members of C.A.L.M Alliance do not speak English and will probably not respond in local or to convos. If there are any issues with members of C.A.L.M either bring them up with your corp leaders to forward to me, or if it is urgent contact either myself or one of the other RAGE leaders if I am unavailable.
Mojohal
RAGE Chief of Staff, Head of Guest Alliance Affairs
As far as I know, RAGE is the only NC-aligned entity with a dedicated botting alliance. I've seen enough Majesta Frontier, DH, VE and Br1ck etc. ratters die stupidly and loudly that I can't really call them botters. At least not on an organizational level.
Lots of WN caps and chars to fly them where bought for real life cash by WN leader.
Those chars and ships came from guys quitting the game and cashing in on internet spaceship assets.
fuck me, thats pretty expensive. Suggestion maybe?
http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq10 109 eur/month
+ thats cheap company, another one would be leaseweb or kimsufis servers.IntelŪ Core i7-980X Hexa-Core
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in case you are one of those that cause our ratters to die stupidly, please continue. you are doing gods work here. even if its a nuisance to some.
(if you get me one day it is only because i let you)
lol at this mail. R.A.G.E. Honestly? talking about double standards...
you can pretty much deduct any station system or mediocre/high traffic system from a theoretical botting list. too many interruptions to make it worthwhile.
i did not spot botters in DH , MFA or my own VE pockets yet in Geminate, but there is enough vacated space in eve people can drop a few alts in, so.. i do not believe in this virgin tengu birth/three kings isk donation crap.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to intex encapor again.
Yeah, I'm like totally browsing your site right now...
Just saying the shit might be elsewhere.
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