Alliance Tournament X Discussion

**Namamai** · 2012-07-10

The ASBs might prove interesting in 12-mans anyways. It's telling that most of the Sleipnir+Scimi setups had Sleipnirs fitting them anyways -- even with a Scimi, the ability to burst tank with them (or to keep tanking if your Scimi gets jammed/damped) is really nice.

It's not going to be 100% mandatory the way it has been in 6-mans, though.

Put it this way: My Curse on day 4 had an ASB fitted, in order to ensure that it could stay alive versus kiting Tengus. Speaking as a regular TQ Curse pilot, that shit hurts my soul.

**Mfume** · 2012-07-10

Originally Posted by Namamai

Put it this way: My Curse on day 4 had an ASB fitted, in order to ensure that it could stay alive versus kiting Tengus. Speaking as a regular TQ Curse pilot, that shit hurts my soul.

we had one dude singing the praises of a 100mn ab ASB curse.

it was one of those baby ideas you strangle in the cradle.

**Namamai** · 2012-07-10

Originally Posted by Mfume

we had one dude singing the praises of a 100mn ab ASB curse.

it was one of those baby ideas you strangle in the cradle.

I see you guys suffer too from the malady of players who suggest crackheaded shit without opening EFT to see if it'll even work.

That makes me feel better. I thought it was just us.

**Sath** · 2012-07-11

Group match schedule is finally up. Speaking from S2N's perspective, this is going to be...interesting.

**Jean Leaner** · 2012-07-11

What the fuck our draw luck is awful.

**Rer** · 2012-07-11

Nulli shooting bros and blues errday.

Also looks like I'm betting on PL 3 times.

**John Smith** · 2012-07-11

Evoke, Darkside, Raiden and Heretic Nation. The group of death.

All the others have 1-2 stand outs in my opinion, however, that one is going to be close.

**ThemePending** · 2012-07-11

Our group is kinda predictable, but if we get knocked out by RvB I'll have to stop posting on FHC for awhile.

**Calderus** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by John Smith

Evoke, Darkside, Raiden and Heretic Nation. The group of death.

All the others have 1-2 stand outs in my opinion, however, that one is going to be close.

Either you're reading this wrong, or I am. I see Evoke, Darkside, Brick and Raiden. My money's on Evoke and -D-. Raiden has disbanded last I heard, and Brick, well, its Brick.

**John Smith** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by Calderus

Either you're reading this wrong, or I am. I see Evoke, Darkside, Brick and Raiden. My money's on Evoke and -D-. Raiden has disbanded last I heard, and Brick, well, its Brick.

Yup sorry, Brain fart. Still stands though. Brick are the weakest in the group, but an upset isn't a complete outside chance, unlike some groups.

**Calderus** · 2012-07-11

The full grouping list for simplicity:

Group 1
Black Legion
Choke Point
HUN Reloaded
Nulli Seconda

Group 2
Agony Empire
Dark Taboo
The G0dfathers
Fatal Ascension

Group 3
Alpha Volley Union
Test
Northern Coalition.
Mildly Intoxicated

Group 4
Fearless
Capital Punishment
Verge of Collapse
Goonswarm Federation

Group 5
Heretic Nation
The Gorgon Empire
Exodus.
Dead Terrorists

Group 6
Darkside
Brick Squad
Raiden
Ev0ke

Group 7
Percussive Pizza
Shadow Cartel
Suddenly Spaceships
Gypsy Band

Group 8
RvB
Kill it with Fire
Pandemic Legion
Rote Kapelle

**penifSMASH** · 2012-07-11

Groups 2 and 8 are weak as shit. Groups 6 and 7 are tough.

**Mfume** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by John Smith

Evoke, Darkside, Raiden and Heretic Nation. The group of death.

All the others have 1-2 stand outs in my opinion, however, that one is going to be close.

Group 7 is going to be pretty fucking nasty.

**Ron Mexxico** · 2012-07-11

Pl ur going down xd

**T'Renn** · 2012-07-11

let's see if I can make some isk this weekend.

**John Smith** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by Mfume

Group 7 is going to be pretty fucking nasty.

Shadow Cartel and Pizza time don't hold much water for me.

**Zev** · 2012-07-11

Who do you guys use to bet on games? (Which is the best to use)

**Chopin** · 2012-07-11

Test betting system.

**Marivauder** · 2012-07-11

I'm going to throw all my money on this better thing, i don't care, i'm The Gambler

**Zev** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by Chopin

Test betting system.

Cheers ~ Should be easier than actually logging in now.

**Rer** · 2012-07-11

Still gotta log in once to send the cash, but its a great system.

**Chopin** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by Zev

Cheers ~ Should be easier than actually logging in now.

No problem. Glad I could help a fellow gambler...

**Zev** · 2012-07-11

Originally Posted by Rer

Still gotta log in once to send the cash, but its a great system.

True, but it beats doing missions/incursions. At least that is if I bet of the right teams.

do you have a link to that test betting website?

**Rer** · 2012-07-11

http://bet.pleaseignore.com/

Make sure you use https://auth.pleaseignore.com/profile/ first to set up a services password, which is what you'll use to log into the betting site. I don't know what TEST's policy is on allowing neutrals or reds is however.

Edit: And if I shouldn't have linked this because it was a private or internal thing then I apologize TEST folk.

**T'Renn** · 2012-07-11

betting is open to everyone with a services account, reds and blues alike. The more ISK the merrier (for mah pockets)

**Rer** · 2012-07-11

Perfect, because the alternatives to TEST's site just sick dick. BIG's site has WAY too many "welp if you messed up we're just taking your ISK" situations when betting and its layout is terrible in comparison.

**Checkbox Poll** · 2012-07-11

got yo APIs

**Rer** · 2012-07-11

Congrats you can see how terrible I am at betting and poker :haw:

**ThemePending** · 2012-07-11

PL why you gotta be dicks and rent out all? the offices

**Elise Randolph** · 2012-07-12

All these groups look pretty nice. There is no real GROUP OF DEATH, but no slouch group either. Needless to say I'm excited for the weekend.

**pinoyzzz** · 2012-07-12

Originally Posted by Elise Randolph

All these groups look pretty nice. There is no real GROUP OF DEATH, but no slouch group either. Needless to say I'm excited for the weekend.

Always the optimist

**En'emu** · 2012-07-12

Our group is ~ok~

**Zev** · 2012-07-12

Originally Posted by Rer

http://bet.pleaseignore.com/

Make sure you use https://auth.pleaseignore.com/profile/ first to set up a services password, which is what you'll use to log into the betting site. I don't know what TEST's policy is on allowing neutrals or reds is however.

Edit: And if I shouldn't have linked this because it was a private or internal thing then I apologize TEST folk.

Hurr that doesn't seem to work for me, I reg on the Auth but every time I try to login on the betting site it says there's an Error.

**Rer** · 2012-07-12

Are you using the services password? (different password that you set up on the Auth page)

**Zev** · 2012-07-12

Cheers for the help Rer all done now.

**Rer** · 2012-07-13

Bets for the Group Stages, some Individual matches, and the Overall winner seem to be open now, so make sure to do it today if you're gonna forget (or sleep in like me) tomorrow \o/

Edit: Also just curious, does TEST take a cut like BIG or do you chaps (the admins of the site that is) just also allow yourselves to bet and make cash that way? I really don't mind either way, its a great site, was just curious.

**lolard** · 2012-07-14

Originally Posted by Rer

Bets for the Group Stages, some Individual matches, and the Overall winner seem to be open now, so make sure to do it today if you're gonna forget (or sleep in like me) tomorrow \o/

Edit: Also just curious, does TEST take a cut like BIG or do you chaps (the admins of the site that is) just also allow yourselves to bet and make cash that way? I really don't mind either way, its a great site, was just curious.

Matalok (TESTs superadmin dude) takes a ~5% cut iirc. Also, FYI the odds aren't fixed, they can change even after you put your money down; the odds are automated as people place bets.

**Rer** · 2012-07-14

Yea I know that

**Ron Mexxico** · 2012-07-14

Originally Posted by lolard

Matalok (TESTs superadmin dude) takes a ~5% cut iirc. Also, FYI the odds aren't fixed, they can change even after you put your money down; the odds are automated as people place bets.

why would your odds change after you place a bet. that's p shit

**Anhenka** · 2012-07-14

The return you get is based on how much money is bet on the other guys.

Say betting just started and only 50 mil in chump is bet on both sides, odds are 1:1 before house cut.

Now you come along and drop in 2 billion on what is the obviously superior team.

Now you get a 4 bil payout when betting ends if your team wins?

No, you add in money, and return is determined by the final amount bet for each side compared to the other team.

So up until betting is closed and odds are finalized, the return odds shift with each bet.

Gross manipulation of the system results otherwise.

**Ron Mexxico** · 2012-07-14

Originally Posted by Anhenka

The return you get is based on how much money is bet on the other guys.

Say betting just started and only 50 mil in chump is bet on both sides, odds are 1:1 before house cut.

Now you come along and drop in 2 billion on what is the obviously superior team.

Now you get a 4 bil payout when betting ends if your team wins?

No, you add in money, and return is determined by the final amount bet for each side compared to the other team.

So up until betting is closed and odds are finalized, the return odds shift with each bet.

Gross manipulation of the system results otherwise.

hi i know how betting works. and this is a shit system

**Anhenka** · 2012-07-14

Don't see why. It's the only possible system. Anything else would would expose the group hosting the betting to too much risk to allow them to operate.

The AT is not a game of pure chance that can be determined ahead of time so that odds can set in stone.

Of course, if you have another system, I'm sure Vegas would love to hear of it.

**Zev** · 2012-07-14

There is BIG betting or what ever its called but like Rer said, one fuckup on an isk payment and you lose it, at least with the TEST system you can recover any mistakes.

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-07-14

What the fuck was that Nulli match

**Sath** · 2012-07-14

Originally Posted by Lorren Canada

What the fuck was that Nulli match

Comedy of errors, basically. Victory depended on which fleet fucked up first and/or more. Turns out it wasn't the S2N team on the latter count. BROADSWORDS VICTOR.

**Ron Mexxico** · 2012-07-14

Originally Posted by Anhenka

Don't see why. It's the only possible system. Anything else would would expose the group hosting the betting to too much risk to allow them to operate.

The AT is not a game of pure chance that can be determined ahead of time so that odds can set in stone.

Of course, if you have another system, I'm sure Vegas would love to hear of it.

i don't really think you know what you're talking about. it's ok though

**Nastrado** · 2012-07-14

Dumb question on betting on the Test site. If a team has odds below 1.0 then betting on them will not make you any money if they win. Is that correct?

**Rer** · 2012-07-14

Yes but the chances of the odds staying that way are minimal at best..

Unless its a PL match.

**Diotima Saraki** · 2012-07-14

Originally Posted by Ron Mexxico

i don't really think you know what you're talking about. it's ok though

You have to keep in mind that for rl sports betting there is enough historical data on each team available that the betting host can make reasonable predictions on which to base his odds (and when there isn't a reasonable way to make predictions - e.g. for horse races - then parimutuel betting is the norm irl, too).

And while fraud is still a major problem irl, at least it can be punished if detected (and different betting providers coordinate when it comes to the detection of suspicious betting patterns).

In EVE the betting provider would have to magically come up with odds based on basically no information at all and would have no recourse if teams that are unlikely to place in the top 2 decide that recouping at least some money by betting on their own losses is a pretty neat idea.

**Muhadin** · 2012-07-14

Good luck today ladies, it seems we are up to bat first.

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