NC Deployment to Dronelands

[Jane Says]

Both sides seemed to be about equal for the majority of the fight, and the NC forces were definitely outnumbered at the beginning and through the middle of the 3+ hour engagement. TS CC chatter was basically, "we're dying, but we're staying." Eventually we got reinforcements, but the Russian bastards were bridging in reinforcements, too, all the time (there was a cyno burning regularly during the engagement, I kept hoping for caps but it was just more BS and BC).

The turning point of the engagement, really, was being able to engage them at close range, to neutralize their bomburrs - they couldn't bomb without bombing both sides. This happened when the RZR/MM ahac gang finally arrived from Konora, about 2 hours or so after downtime. We chewed through their logistics and it was downhill number crunching for them at that point (we also had close to 50 logistics of our own at this point).

And yeah, like I said, WN stayed on grid until the very bitter end when I'm pretty sure we killed the last of their abaddons & damnations. I certainly find it hard to believe, at least, that the NC managed to tackle 30 guys for the few minutes it took us to kill them all. ;-)

Totally manageable lag, guns cycled, reps cycled, and I can't believe if both sides did not have a ton of fun, since both sides lost a shedload of ISK in ships. Everybody's killboard efficiency went up. ;-)

Will log in again for this, and it was totally worth waking up at 0h-dark-hundred to be in this fleet.

[Jane Says]

lol what? Have you checked the map lately?

I think he meant that you guys were the defender and thus had that advantage (isn't that what everyone whines about with new sov mechanics?)
The system was obviously in titan bridge range of a re-shipping point for you guys, since you brought in plenty of fresh targets during the engagement.

It also happened to be right next door to one of our staging points, which certainly made it easier for us to do the same. It made for an extended, "hey i just lost my 3rd battleship, imma comin' in my draek now" kind of engagement.

[Mira Z]

BZ-BCK sov burnt to the ground today. NC formed up at 17:00 expecting a fight but didnt see much movement from Drone Russians. We split our forces to see if we could provoke something - AHACs went LXQ2-T, BS stayed on in BZ-BCK.

Apparently those lucky bastards in the BS fleet got attacked by some bombers, No such luck for the AHACs. Utterly boring no-show for AHACs as we reinforced ihub and station in LXQ2-T. Timer exits are aprox 15:00/16:00ish on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Hope we get a fight then...

[Kaeydan]

so is everyone having fun?

[Madrak]

And those 200 man fleets were raped most of time.
Yep, this is really huge achievement for alli more than 3x times bigger then enemy.
Or maybe i should remind how WI. was about to loose K25 in less then a week, then emo-raging Peoke runned to NC to summon even bigger blob to help him keep stations ??
And should i remind that SF+Atlas&co vs WI. was even numbers, but WI surrenderd region with 12 stations in less then a month ?

You joined just to give us all a history lesson? Nice first post.
Maybe if you were on Kugu longer, you would know WI chose to abandon the region in the interest of perserving the coalition against another problem. I'm not trying to take away from the accomplishment of your early victories in Geminate. I'm sure it was all great and stuff.

[captainktainer]

so is everyone having fun?

They sure sound like they are. I haven't heard multiple people from both sides of several engagements in a row say "That was the most fun I think I've had in years" for very many other conflicts.

Weren't you going to resub for an invasion of the drone regions?

[Tyrael]

http://kb.redalliance.ru/?op=kill&id=449947

I got 9th place on the mail out of 133 and I was late woot

[teds]

so is everyone having fun?

Yup, lots of hot drake on drake action and the servers being remarkably calm about it all.

[Aurora148]

You joined just to give us all a history lesson? Nice first post.
Maybe if you were on Kugu longer, you would know WI chose to abandon the region in the interest of perserving the coalition against another problem. I'm not trying to take away from the accomplishment of your early victories in Geminate. I'm sure it was all great and stuff.

you were left hanging by the rest of the NC because they valued Pure Blind more than Geminate, you only stopped defending after it became obvious that you werent going to get the help that you needed.

[Phey Onat]

I refuse to let this become about WIdot!

Past few days have been very busy. Eastern NC block has hit a variety of targets through the expanse setting everything from cadmium moons to ihubs in reinforce. The battle for BZ- resulted in a poor fleet warp that was capitalized by russian bombers. Fleet landed at default on the ihub and before deblob could be ordered we were descended upon. An emergancy warpoff saved some but dozens died including myself. We had 500+ in system though so both ihub and tcu was razed before I could reship and get back. Spamming of the TCU's has commenced in an effort to shape the nullsec influence map to that of the somethiing securitas would approve of.

Not too sure whats going on over in LXQ.

[Habitual Line Stepper]

so is everyone having fun?

Yes. Oh god, yes.

[fulis]

Not too sure whats going on over in LXQ.

SBUs dropped, healthbars turned red etc.

[Perseus Kallistratos]

so is everyone having fun?

Everyone is having fun until a system crashes and a titan dies to black screen. then the bitching will continue and false hopes will vanish.

[fulis]

LXQ comes out tomorrow, russian prime
expect lag

[Kaeydan]

They sure sound like they are. I haven't heard multiple people from both sides of several engagements in a row say "That was the most fun I think I've had in years" for very many other conflicts.

Weren't you going to resub for an invasion of the drone regions?

My accounts are still being actively used so in spirit I am there. I think MM and NC are doing fine without me and I still do not have the fire in the belly to return playing. Too busy playing Civ5 in my spare time atm. But it is good to see NC is being active, even if it is just for some fun shooting and not a purge of the dronelands, better to have them use their resources on replacing ships than RMTing.

Besides, I'd feel dirty having to fly around in a fucking Drake... wtf is up with these drake gangs?!

[GreenDaemon]

My accounts are still being actively used so in spirit I am there. I think MM and NC are doing fine without me and I still do not have the fire in the belly to return playing. Too busy playing Civ5 in my spare time atm. But it is good to see NC is being active, even if it is just for some fun shooting and not a purge of the dronelands, better to have them use their resources on replacing ships than RMTing.

Besides, I'd feel dirty having to fly around in a fucking Drake... wtf is up with these drake gangs?!

Well, fly logis ya jackass :P TBH, the bs gangs are the worse ones, takes forever to get back to Odeb.

fakedit: Civ 5 is terrible

[Kaeydan]

Well, fly logis ya jackass :P TBH, the bs gangs are the worse ones, takes forever to get back to Odeb.

fakedit: Civ 5 is terrible

Yeah, I always hated the BS ops, that was always the time to log into my spec ops character and do some scouting. :P I got quite accustom to flying caps, as sad as that sounds. I dunno, the ability to blow shit up and surf porn at the same time had its appeal.

Civ5 is kinda lame, the AI must be modelled after Sir Molle strategies, they seem to diaf a lot. But I am a sad Civ addict going way back.

[Phineas Freak]

well, compared to civ 5.. waiting for the next shogun (total war) to bitch about..

just came back from a 100 man NC BS/Guardian fleet that could not await for the other BFF's to finish their morning coffee, and thus went for an ihub in system xyz (duh forgot the name already) who was supposed to exit RF.

timer was set wrong (SPAIS! THEY WANT TO WEAR US OUT BY DENYING US SLEEP!), so we reinforced 2 towers instead, one of them curiously still had arty mods inside shields, but stront in its belly. i smell a conspiracy..

off to a short early afternoon nap then.

[Opti]

We are about to set forth and lay waste/die horribly against the evil Babushkas

[Anadeh]

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7905154

ooooops. Seems like JF worth of 4 motherships.

[Opti]

wow if thats real then there goes our isk ratio against zee droneskis

[Gyncognito]

LXQ should be pure xxx goodness for the timer. Russians can't let that go. Even if they played off the strat value it'd be a moral hit. Anyone and everyone within a 50 jump radius should get 20-30 drakes and dogpile that stuff. The lag's gonna help the russians, but seriously...that fight should interesting.

So I was sorta on board with that "NC goes south for funs" line. However, if you check out the major kbs...NC is pretty much putting up ops 24-7 the last week. They may not be hitting stuff as like LXQ every night, but they're reinforcing and killing crap pretty much 24-7 the last few days. Does Jita produce enough scourge missiles and drakes to support a fully operational NC?

I dunno, but I'll really be interested to see how long NC can keep up this 23-7 op cycle. Looking at kb, the thing interesting to me is how they've got a 150 man pos shoot up going in kav, the pre-req 40 man n-rael gate camp, and seemingly half a dozen 30-40 man roams outta kanora during US tz. It's like drakes gone wild out there.

The russians really are non resistant during that tz? Who normally covers for them or are they just fantastic at setting alarm clock and timers?

[dil]

The russians really are non resistant during that tz? Who normally covers for them or are they just fantastic at setting alarm clock and timers?

A related question would be, How many of them actually make a 'living' from RMTing or at the very least supplement their income? If eve was my 'job' (i'd probably step in front of a bus if it came to that) or at the least allowing me to buy toys i wouldnt otherwise be able to afford and that was being threatened... i'd be fairly protective over that. Not that the motivation behind all this is nothing more than for the lols and goodfights™

[Madrak]

So I was sorta on board with that "NC goes south for funs" line. However, if you check out the major kbs...NC is pretty much putting up ops 24-7 the last week. They may not be hitting stuff as like LXQ every night, but they're reinforcing and killing crap pretty much 24-7 the last few days.

This is true. I have been logging on at all kinds of weird times and there always something happening, always something being hit. The pilots I fly with and the FCs leading are different every time for every time zone, but it is just this continious stream of non-stop content. I love it.

[Kaeydan]

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7905154

ooooops. Seems like JF worth of 4 motherships.

High isk kills loaded with BPs as the major source of isk are rarely accurate as most that are transported tend to be copies, if someone was moving BPOs in a JF they should be taken out the back and shot.

[Gyncognito]

i'd be fairly protective over that.

The RMT side of it is one that I constantly forget about when reading about russians. I mean is it THAT prevalent that these people wouldn't be fighting just for pixels, but for their part time job? If it is then I'm seriously considering signing with the first NC corp I can find just to jump on board with the chance of putting that down. Call it jealousy or misplaced e-morals...wtf ever. I just wanna break it.

[Kaeydan]

A related question would be, How many of them actually make a 'living' from RMTing or at the very least supplement their income? If eve was my 'job' (i'd probably step in front of a bus if it came to that) or at the least allowing me to buy toys i wouldnt otherwise be able to afford and that was being threatened... i'd be fairly protective over that. Not that the motivation behind all this is nothing more than for the lols and goodfights™

If you bot and have a ship farming for you 23/7 and set up multiple accounts you will make a fair bit of coin given the outlay. An account is fairly cheap to run and you could probably run multiple bots per PC.

Assuming you can sustain 20m isk per hour, which is probably lower than L4 mission runners make but lets be conservative. That comes to 460m per day, per account or 3.220 billion a week or 12.9 billion a month. Not sure what GTCs are going for now, was about 300m the last time I logged in so that gives you a profit margin of 12.6 billion a month. Having a quick looksie a billion isk is about $70 US so that would give the botter $882 per month per account less the operating expenses of maintaining the PC. power, etc.

If you you had 5 accounts going at once that would be over $4k US per month, clear of tax obviously because nobody would be dumb enough to declare it.

Even assuming a bad run of ship losses a botter with 5 accounts running could make in the vicinity of $40k US a year botting. Even if he only gets half that by selling bulk isk to a third party who sells to the public, $20k US is a fair amount of money in some places. Given you really only need to do mild maintenance, ship replacement and the like.

[fulis]

If you see BPs on a KM assume them to be BPCs. Why would anyone have 30 Scorp BPOs? I mean, come on

[SomeGuyFromProv]

I mean, come on

I'm still looking for where it says API verified...

[tokimi]

LXQ should be pure xxx goodness for the timer. Russians can't let that go. Even if they played off the strat value it'd be a moral hit. Anyone and everyone within a 50 jump radius should get 20-30 drakes and dogpile that stuff. The lag's gonna help the russians, but seriously...that fight should interesting.

So I was sorta on board with that "NC goes south for funs" line. However, if you check out the major kbs...NC is pretty much putting up ops 24-7 the last week. They may not be hitting stuff as like LXQ every night, but they're reinforcing and killing crap pretty much 24-7 the last few days. Does Jita produce enough scourge missiles and drakes to support a fully operational NC?

I dunno, but I'll really be interested to see how long NC can keep up this 23-7 op cycle. Looking at kb, the thing interesting to me is how they've got a 150 man pos shoot up going in kav, the pre-req 40 man n-rael gate camp, and seemingly half a dozen 30-40 man roams outta kanora during US tz. It's like drakes gone wild out there.

The russians really are non resistant during that tz? Who normally covers for them or are they just fantastic at setting alarm clock and timers?

Yeah man, ammo has been tough to keep stocked in the Vale staging system. But the USTZ fcs and grunts have been bored all summer so we are pushing shit just to keep our brains from rotting. That we can still get fights on the weekend and enough poorly timed pos during the night is enough to keep most in fleet xing up. RAGE has favored the shield fist gang for the past three months or so, and have gotten the fittings standard so their fleets actually have few fail purger fits. I'll do a shield fist gang, but meh something about it :P

As for russians during USTZ, you only see ratters and a few bomber/cloaky campers. No fleets yet have been alarm clocked other than some 10 man super gangs (piloted by 2-3 guys I think) earlier this summer.

[Kaeydan]

The RMT side of it is one that I constantly forget about when reading about russians. I mean is it THAT prevalent that these people wouldn't be fighting just for pixels, but for their part time job? If it is then I'm seriously considering signing with the first NC corp I can find just to jump on board with the chance of putting that down. Call it jealousy or misplaced e-morals...wtf ever. I just wanna break it.

I think just blaming just the Russians is a bit naive, the problem is more widespread than that. But, they probably turn the blind eye to botters more than most other major powers. It is easy for me to be critical of guys who exploit a game to make their real lives easier but I live in a country where the standard of living is pretty good.

I'd just prefer if they go sell gold in wow where the game is full of retards anyway, you can't possibly ruin that gaming experience, you would have to be a vegetable to be playing that game.

[indet]

WTB Russian opposition during USTZ. And that doesn't mean onlined posmods kthx.

[Anadeh]

I think just blaming just the Russians is a bit naive, the problem is more widespread than that.

Exactly, but problem is that most of non-russian alliances keep cultivating hatred to Terrible E-Baying Russians, even if this is not true. This is same brainwashing like USA did against USSR, having attack plans right after WW2. Big community need enemy, especially then large part of current NCs alliances have failed in wars against Drone Russians, and seek to revenge, even if they had to blob to do this.

[magpie]

High isk kills loaded with BPs as the major source of isk are rarely accurate as most that are transported tend to be copies, if someone was moving BPOs in a JF they should be taken out the back and shot.

item drop is around 5kkk and estimates for destroyed items are about the same. also, pilot of JF paid ransom of 1kkk before his rhea was killed.

[Madrak]

Considering the size of the two blocs involved, I don't think anyone can play the "u blobbed card" here. It is blob vs. blob in all of its blobbing glory of blobbiness.
I don't think NC or Russians *need* anymore systems, although some NC communities are more dense.

From a roaming point of view, I see shadow xdx botters all the time flying through the drone regions. I don't think the accusation of RMT is necessarily unfounded, even if other people are doing it too.

[FireZeMissiles]

item drop is around 5kkk and estimates for destroyed items are about the same. also, pilot of JF paid ransom of 1kkk before his rhea was killed.

there is always some people who are retarded. i wonder what part of 9 active wars didnt sink in to his thick skull.

[Kaeydan]

Does Jita produce enough scourge missiles and drakes to support a fully operational NC?

T2 scourge take more effort to make. I never got into the whole noobgrenade fleets so not sure exactly sure how they fit these ships and what ammo they use. It is easy to make mountains of T1 scourge ammo and not sure if you would want to be using furies unless you were fighting BS.

T1 scourge are cheap to make and require zero skill. Difference between industry 1 and 5 is a whopping 48 seconds per 100 missiles and the difference between no production efficiency and 5 is a whopping 1 nocxium and 258 tritanium per 100 missiles. Given the BPO costs dirt as well you can load these up on no-skill alts and mass produce the fuck out of them.

Can make about 7 Drakes per day per Industry 5 skilled character/BP. It doesn't sound like a lot but if you had the materials and the access to BPCs/BPOs then one maxed skilled industry character can make over 70 drakes per day (max 11 simultaneous jobs). Mind you, the same character could alternatively make 379,500 T1 scourge missiles per day.

[Malcanis]

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7905154

ooooops. Seems like JF worth of 4 motherships.

EDIT I cant count

[fulis]

Entire NC BS fleet pretty much got bombed to shit (very fail)
IHUB is going down though, Russians seem to be standing down

[Shadoo]

lol, ITT NC b-team posters make you all sound like BoB .

Looking out the outside, it seems like NC's brought almost the kitchen sink now (is GF/WI the only ones still missing?). As such I can't imagine Drones being able to hold that off at all and are gonna quickly start shedding outposts and space.

How many outposts is in RF now and when do they start turning?

[Kaeydan]

Exactly, but problem is that most of non-russian alliances keep cultivating hatred to Terrible E-Baying Russians, even if this is not true. This is same brainwashing like USA did against USSR, having attack plans right after WW2. Big community need enemy, especially then large part of current NCs alliances have failed in wars against Drone Russians, and seek to revenge, even if they had to blob to do this.

I think most have a lot of respect for the russian community when it comes to fighting, but when I was playing i felt uneasy having the drone russians sit idly by to build up massive capital fleets when they used them on us.

But, you guys have now hit the NC twice both times we were invaded by significant forces. If NC doesn't make you pay for it then they deserve to cop it in the ass again in the future. I doubt the NC attacks have anything to do with RMT, in fact, if it is as widespread as the general public claim it to be then it will make the NC's task that much easier. I don't think it is that widespread, I think it is more common from renters than it is from people directly associated with the russian alliances.

I wouldn't take it too personally, of all the entities that attacked the NC recently, Atlas and -A- are dead and not sure how many times the NC can ass ream IT/BoB before it gets sad. You guys just painted a big target on your head siding with them.

I think both sides are too big and well organised to die though, it should be a period of entertaining fighting and eventually the attacker will get bored unless the defender shows signs of capitulation, which I wouldn't expect from the Russians.

[Tyrael]

Yea I think Goons, TEST, FA and I think WI. are focused on cloud ring for now. LXQ should be 1st outpost, some sov has flipped though and RAGE actually has contiguous space into droneland

[Madrak]

Yes, just the one outpost in LXQ2.
For iHubs, LXQ2 (also), JT2I, and 1S are under threat.

For LXQ2, the IHUB & Station timers are pretty close together, so I would expect some fireworks when they come out tomorrow, Wednesday. edit: also the ihub is on its last timer, although the station is still in shield so defender gets another try to hold sov if they fail this one.

[tokimi]

lol, ITT NC b-team posters make you all sound like BoB .

Looking out the outside, it seems like NC's brought almost the kitchen sink now (is GF/WI the only ones still missing?). As such I can't imagine Drones being able to hold that off at all and are gonna quickly start shedding outposts and space.

How many outposts is in RF now and when do they start turning?

Meh no claim to actually being elite, just having lots of fun shooting things

MM/RZR with their pets are deployed, MM/RAGE with their pets are deployed. Stella and -r-, dunno whats up, havnt seen spectacular numbers from them but not shit numbers either. Demon, they are i guess busy getting sov infrastructure up so their numbers are less than max too. So Wi. and MH are out in pb/cr i guess with the goons as far as I can tell.

EDIT: yeah bunch of posts all saying the same thing all while i was typing up my post... fail.

LXQ comes out in 22 hours, bunch of ihubs in armor ref soon/now that will come out by thursday ~16:00 eve time which is getting close to prime for Majesta.

[Malaclypse]

WTB kugu of Q1/Q2 '09. This thread is horrible.
EDIT: But with 54TH MASS and captain's updates.

lol, ITT NC b-team posters make you all sound like BoB .

Guests (TNT, OWN, etc.) and c-team scrubs (like RAGE and MH) were always the best amongst us in demonstrating that the NC really is full of bad posters. Given that, the CAOD-post restrictions don't seem like a bad thing after all. Can't expect a moron to realize he's one (riverini's a good example here).

[Arrador]

WTB kugu of Q1/Q2 '09. This thread is horrible.
EDIT: But with 54TH MASS and captain's updates.



Guests (TNT, OWN, etc.) and c-team scrubs (like RAGE and MH) were always the best amongst us in demonstrating that the NC really is full of bad posters. Given that, the CAOD-post restrictions don't seem like a bad thing after all. Can't expect a moron to realize he's one (riverini's a good example here).

Mala Honey, tell me I'm a good poster please

[Gyncognito]

I think most have a lot of respect for the russian community when it comes to fighting

Keep in mind xdeath, ra, and solar don't have an exclusive hold on 'Russian' corps. There's a few you might call NC or NC satellites. The nc people I talk to don't seem to have a white hot hatred of the RU. It's more like that community's been put a little to high on the pedestal and might need a notch adjustment or two. So if that's a stated goal of the average joe pilot then I think that's working out.

Now, here's something I was thinking about last night. The RU guys kicked IRC/ED out of their space. Then turned around and rented IRC their new home. That seems like a bitter pill to swallow once you've evaced your stuff outta ER. If IRC is a renter why would they fight to help the RU hold on to the area that they took from IRC in the first place. Seems like the NC could work some divisive politics there....promise IRC their old space or something.

I don't know squat about IRC internal politics...just a little of the sov map/history. Is IRC mostly RU loyal now since they've become renters?

[Malaclypse]

Mala Honey, tell me I'm a good poster please

All posters of the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry are good posters by design (except Charle of course), so don't worry.

Now, here's something I was thinking about last night. The RU guys kicked IRC/ED out of their space. Then turned around and rented IRC their new home. That seems like a bitter pill to swallow once you've evaced your stuff outta ER. If IRC is a renter why would they fight to help the RU hold on to the area that they took from IRC in the first place. Seems like the NC could work some divisive politics there....promise IRC their old space or something.

I don't know squat about IRC internal politics...just a little of the sov map/history. Is IRC mostly RU loyal now since they've become renters?

It's rather easy to answer: IRC/ED got removed by Eastern NC B-team, Goons, PL, and Legion (not in order of significance!), they are now renting from Solar though (who even supported IRC/ED for a while against the initial attacks of ME/INIT/WI). Again a case of where people fail to tell SOLAR and Legion apart. But don't take it personnel, there are a lot of people, even ex-IRC/ED folks who fail to do it.
And IRC became renters because they always have been of some sort (they bought Etherium back in the days after all). Also it's an AWECO-snowball system from the beginning, which pretty much suits being a renting alliance on top of it. You could say they are made for it.

[captainktainer]

a) Malaclypse just gave me a warm fuzzy.

b) I'm pretty sure this is the biggest NC sov-taking offensive since Delve 2. The assault on Geminate was more of an attempt to recapture recently lost space, and the first Goon assault on Cloud Ring didn't involve nearly as many players. I'm honestly surprised that the NC is having as much success as it is - there's a big blob, yes, but Russian bombers are good and Russian supercaps are numerous.

c) Most of IRC was not in the alliance during the Russian invasion; virtually the entirety of the alliance is either in the NC or Initiative Mercenaries. They basically have Lions of Judah, Abh Empire, and AWE Corporation, which is oldma's corp. Oldma has neither a spine nor a brain, but he gladly sucked enough dick to keep the shattered husk of his alliance alive and tucked away in Cobalt Edge. Anyone who would follow him anywhere, at this point, is going to have few problems with staying loyal to SOLAR. Plus - and correct me if I'm wrong- SOLAR wasn't a major part of the coalition that took IRC/ED down. I don't think I've seen IRC participating in the defense of dronespace for this invasion.

[Malaclypse]

a) Malaclypse just gave me a warm fuzzy.[...]

c) ... SOLAR wasn't a major part of the coalition that took IRC/ED down. I don't think I've seen IRC participating in the defense of dronespace for this invasion.

a) You're welcome.

c) Correct. In fact, as written in my last post, they even supported ICED.