Montolio > Were you looking for me?
Deagol1 > o/
Deagol1 > ya can you talk with DurrHurrDurr
Deagol1 > hes in our local causing shit
Montolio > Whats he doing?
Deagol1 > going on about own isk and reimbersment
Montolio > Is it true?
Deagol1 > lol
Deagol1 > no
Deagol1 > thats why i am chatting with you
Montolio > TEST today discovered that OWN had 6 tech moons 1 neo moon charges 100mil/mo for an office and a corp of 50 pays 250 mil / mo in fees
Montolio > And that apparently you only reimburse logistics and interdictors
Montolio > If thats not the case, I can let people know
Deagol1 > we ahve been with tcf and around for many years
Deagol1 > you hvae been here 5 months
Deagol1 > we earned what we have
Deagol1 > and we spend anythign we make on the alliance
Deagol1 > even though this is none of your business
Montolio > I never said you didn't, but what is that ISK being spent on, if you don't mind answering for my curiosity?
Montolio > https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...hkey=CKbl8ZwI#
Montolio > Thats all of TEST finances
Montolio > What we take in, what we spend, etc..
Deagol1 > you think its your business to tell other blues how to run there alliances?
Montolio > Not exactly, no
Deagol1 > you do that in real life?
Deagol1 > well...
Montolio > But if you aren't going to reimburse your pilots we are going to try to do it for you
Deagol1 > did you send the troll to own space?
Montolio > No, but we are discussing setting up a reimbursement fund based on donations for OWN pilots during fleet ops
Montolio > He probably got curious due to that discussion and went over to check it out
Deagol1 > lol cool thnx
Deagol1 > every little bit helps
Montolio > np m8
Montolio > We aren't all pyramid schemes
Montolio > :P
Deagol1 > re read the part above about our history and yours
Montolio > Its incredible that you can trick 1500 people into lining your pockets to be honest
Montolio > I wish my members were as gullable
Deagol1 > ?
Deagol1 > no one in own leadership is rich
Montolio > You make 25b + in moon profits alone
Deagol1 > as i said we ahve re spent all isk made on the alliance
Deagol1 > you can chgoose to not believe that
Deagol1 > i don't really care
Deagol1 > we have built 2 stations since we got the moons
Deagol1 > we have upgraded all our systems
Deagol1 > we have full logi and dic reimberse
Deagol1 > we also reimberse half caps
Montolio > We reimburse everything, have built a station, and have almost fully upgraded double the number of systems with less then half the moons or fees
Deagol1 > and regularly give shipa nd isk to pilots who are vvery active
Montolio > Just saying.
Deagol1 > our open is only for the couple typs to promote people to get in them
Montolio > "our open" ?
Deagol1 > add up the stations and the upgrades
Deagol1 > open reiembersment
Montolio > With your income levels you should be able to build a station every month
Deagol1 > we do others also but its not open to all\
Deagol1 > just the most active pilots
Montolio > A station is what, 20b?
Deagol1 > we had a corp that was very loayal too us and we gave them a mon for many months
Deagol1 > we have done that with a cou0ple corps
Montolio > So all the money is funneled to an upper class?
Deagol1 > lol i have 1.6 billion in my wallet
Deagol1 > i am far from rich
Deagol1 > and i am leader
Deagol1 > red also is not rich
Deagol1 > also putting up towers to get thigns going is not cheap
Deagol1 > we haven't had these moons for a long time really
Montolio > You said it yourself, you've been here for months
Deagol1 > we worked our ass's off and finallly we go somethign for it
Deagol1 > we have been with tcf for many years
Montolio > I can't fathom how you guys don't have a massive supercarrier fleet or something with that much income
Montolio > I don't think I have even seen an OWN supercarrier
Deagol1 > we only got the moons 6 or 7 months ago
Deagol1 > lol dude we have been running with the nc
Montolio > So you've made something between 125-150b in the last 6 months
Montolio > Where the fuck did all that go?
Deagol1 > we never ran in any dek coalition
Deagol1 > you need to join nc flets to see us
Deagol1 > read above
Montolio > That it went to the top corps?
Deagol1 > the alliance didn't control all m,oons
Montolio > Either way, its impressive that you can have that much ISK but such a narrow reimbursement policy
Deagol1 > ?
Deagol1 > lol dude we have over 75 billion in station and upgrades
Deagol1 > there was bnothign here when we got here
Deagol1 > and we were broke
Deagol1 > all since we got the moons has gone to upgradeing systems putting up stations reiembersment as much as we can and getting the moons running
Montolio > Okay, so 125b - 75b
Deagol1 > no one is rich thats a fact
Deagol1 > do the math
Montolio > So that leaves fifty billion left over
Deagol1 > no\
Deagol1 > your assuming all moons were fully upgraded the entire time
Deagol1 > because people want everythign at once we could't have them all doing tht for a long time
Deagol1 > your numbers are off
Deagol1 > if all the po's needed for complex reactions arn't upo you don't make all isk
Deagol1 > and thats a lot of cost
Deagol1 > people wanted the station and upgrades all at once
Montolio > Thats not counting reactions
Montolio > That base tech prices
Montolio > Thats*
Deagol1 > no base is like 2.5 maybe 3 on a good day per tech
Montolio > And you have 6 tech
Deagol1 > aye 15 a month or so
Deagol1 > we have spent over 75 billion
Deagol1 > not including reiembersment
Deagol1 > we also do caps reiemberse
Deagol1 > and ome of our corps have had control of the moons
Montolio > Where are you getting 15/mo?
Deagol1 > so we never made for the alliance anythign near 125 billion
Montolio > Tech is currently around 4b/mo
Montolio > at least afaik
Deagol1 > 2.5 billion times 6 moons
Deagol1 > if not all upgrades
Deagol1 > a basew tech makes 4 billion?
Montolio > yes, I believe so
Deagol1 > no our numbers are and have allways been 2.5 to 3 bill none complex
Deagol1 > 4 to 4.5 with complex
Montolio > You are terrible with moons or someone is skimming then
Deagol1 > lol dude
Montolio > Raw tech is 4b close to 5b a month right now
Montolio > without reactions
Montolio > When we moved in tech was about 3b / mo raw
Montolio > it hasn't been 2.5b for a long time
Deagol1 > 72k units times 17k = 1.2 billion
Deagol1 > you get 72k units a month and thats what they go for
Deagol1 > 2.5 sorry
Montolio > sec
Montolio > Let me dig up our spreadsheet
Montolio > https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc...CLWCmc8J#gid=1
Montolio > Can you view that?
Montolio > Thats a few months old
Montolio > July 30th wa the last time that was updated
Montolio > and prices have done nothing but go up
Deagol1 > how much per unit is that?
Montolio > 40k
Montolio > per unit its about 50-60k currently
Montolio > a tech moon is about 100 units per hour
Montolio > So thats lowend 3.6b unreacted
Montolio > *shrugs*
Montolio > Thats a lot of fucking money for you guys, especially with such limited reimbursements
Deagol1 > how much per piece was that sheet at?
Montolio > per unit?
Montolio > 40,142.00 ISK
Deagol1 > ya
Montolio > Current highest price in Jita is 60k for a buy order
Deagol1 > and low?
Montolio > well the lowest buy is obviously 0.01 heh
Deagol1 > your basing on it 40k per?
Montolio > We were in July
Montolio > The current low selling price is 61k/unit
Montolio > There is a buy order in Jita for 200k units @ 55,809
Montolio > Somebody is now telling me your stations were built with donation ISK?
Deagol1 > lol who is tlling you that?
Deagol1 > no
Montolio > Former own members
Montolio > "they had a big donation drive from their membership to fund the 2 stations"
Montolio > "they haven't paid the loans back yet"
Deagol1 > confirmed lier then
Deagol1 > lol that i not true
Deagol1 > is*
Montolio > Thats what people are telling me
Montolio > From the outside looking in, somebody is lining their pockets or you guys are grossly mismanaging your ISK
Deagol1 > well i am alliance leader and i am telling you they are liers
Montolio > Or you are building 3 titans and dont want to tell anyone
Deagol1 > you really shouldn't go around tellin alliance how they should run man thats seriously fucked up
Deagol1 > you been here a few months we been here years
Deagol1 > we earned what we have and we pour it back into the alliance
Montolio > So you deserve a little personal ISK right?
Montolio > For your history
Deagol1 > you don't belive that i don't really care
Deagol1 > no one in own has gotten rich
Deagol1 > period
Montolio > that you know of*
Deagol1 > i have 1.6 billion in my wallet
Montolio > I am a total fucking retard when it comes to moon shit and I still knew that base tech was 4-5b currently
Montolio > Your diplomat said you had outpost debts
Montolio > Jilozz did
Deagol1 > i wouold know i am leader me and Red
Deagol1 > did i or red?
Deagol1 > people can make mistakes
Montolio > So your saying not 1 ISK of donations or loans were used in making your stations?
Deagol1 > we had no donation drive
Deagol1 > if anyone has dontated randomly i'm sure thats happened
Montolio > Thats not what I have heard, but of course you are the alliance leader
Montolio > you would know
Montolio > 100 units per hour x 24 hours x 30 days = 72,000. 72,000 x 67,000 (current Jita sell price) = 4824000000, or 4.8 billion isk per month. Subtract whatever you pay for a month's POS fuel.
Montolio > This is the current Tech price math btw
Montolio > If you'd like I can have my industry guys generate some spreadsheets for you guys to use long term
Deagol1 > 1 sell order for 55k doesnt make it 67 current
Montolio > Lower it to 60 then
Deagol1 > either way we have been around years dude you don't think we should have stuff after years of service?
Montolio > I too would like a tech moon for personal income yes
Deagol1 > i don't have that
Montolio > Whats the retirement age? 6 months and then you get one?
Deagol1 > but after years i probbly should
Montolio > HAha
Montolio > Someone is rolling around in ISK over there
Montolio > We have less then half your moons and we have 30b in reserve
Montolio > I can only imagine what you guys are sitting on
Deagol1 > so you don't think an alliance should make ok isk after years of dedicated service to the cause?
Montolio > As far as I can see your alliance isn't
Montolio > A select group is
Deagol1 > http://own.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7759350
Deagol1 > we allways have been very active
Deagol1 > and we spend all our isk 0on the alliance
Deagol1 > i listed many things that we have to spend isk on and do and you seem to think were jsut pocketing it
Deagol1 > were not
Montolio > The things you list + your current policies don't even come close to accounting for the ISK your alliance -should- have
Deagol1 > lol dude
Deagol1 > we never controlled all moons
Deagol1 > we have spend many billions
Deagol1 > we are morons for not taking isk for ourselfs actuallly
Montolio > So you guys don't reimburse drakes? fleet bs? cruisers? hacs?
Deagol1 > after thi many years of bullshit we deserve it
Deagol1 > but we don't take it
Montolio > I've also heard that if TeRedrum wants to run an anom that you are in he will tell you to get out or be podded, true?
Deagol1 > as i told you we reiemberse other things all the time but only to very active pilots
Deagol1 > no that is not true
Montolio > So you have selective reimbursements for the elite upper class
Montolio > Who gives a shit about those plebs anyways
Deagol1 > dude you really listen to ex members on alliance policy?
Deagol1 > not jsut elite
Deagol1 > verya active\
Deagol1 > i don't give a shit if your 6 years old if your not active your useless
Montolio > Haha, okay.
Deagol1 > can you get this troll out of our system?
Montolio > He will probably be helping to administer our OWN reimbursement program
Montolio > we are still hashing out the details
Montolio > Should we require certain fits?
Deagol1 > your a dick
Deagol1 > i have explained
Montolio > Most of the time, yes.
Deagol1 > i see that heh
Montolio > you're* by the way
Deagol1 > k ty
Montolio > No problem
Montolio > My members always correct me
Deagol1 > cool
Montolio > They tend to be helpful when they aren't shafted constantly by the alliance leaders
Deagol1 > dude wtf
Montolio > Should it be called "TEST Alliance: Financial Aid Division" or "Test Alliance Humanitarian Aid, Please Ignore"
Deagol1 > so you condone DurrHurrDurr smacking own in local?
Montolio > Is it funny or true?
Deagol1 > it's complete bullshit and he has no clue
Montolio > I bet its funny at least sometimes
Deagol1 > i have explained it now to you though
Deagol1 > so...
Montolio > I mean he isn't always irritating
Deagol1 > yes he is
Deagol1 > him and rastino
Montolio > Rastino made me laugh once, I think it was some sort of dead baby joke if I recall
Montolio > Probably inappropriate
Deagol1 > rastino link stuck
Montolio > "link struck" ?
Deagol1 > aye i linked his name to check his history and now unless i enter it it won't go away
Montolio > He trolls you AND breaks your client
Montolio > Thats dedication
Deagol1 > heh try linke a name but not say it
Deagol1 > he keeps locking own why?
Montolio > Who?
Deagol1 > DurrHurrDurr
Montolio > Maybe he is trying to rep
Deagol1 > leaving station means you don't need rep normallly
Montolio > I dunno, you guys probably charge for repair services
Deagol1 > lol
Deagol1 > not sure if the NC will like an alliance that griefs other blues in local for no reason hmm...
Montolio > Probably not
Deagol1 > and your chat here says very clearly you support his actions
Deagol1 > and you are leader
Montolio > Somebody has to help your members
Montolio > They pay dues without reimbursements
Deagol1 > heh k i'm sure this will workout very well for you
Montolio > It will end hilariously I am sure!
Deagol1 > woot
Montolio > http://i.imgur.com/Mrsob.png
Deagol1 > lol gw
Montolio > http://i.imgur.com/oyxq6.jpg
Deagol1 > weee
Montolio > We are working on a video now I think
Deagol1 > nice
Montolio > http://tinyurl.com/own-reimbursement
Montolio > program details will be up soon
Deagol1 > dues go to the top 5 pvp corps each month fyi
Deagol1 > kk
Montolio > "We aren't a pyramid scheme, promise!"
Deagol1 > such hate for a new alliance damn
Montolio > Haha
Montolio > I'll check back with you later m8 when we have more details, if you have approved fits you can forward them to me