PB and Surrounding :: 09-07-2010 Onwards.

**Kythren** · 2010-09-20

this conversation needs a little more sand in vagina to become interesting.
but you may proceed for now.

(also deklein coalition is how you troll tcf)

**CCP Nozh** · 2010-09-20

regarding bots in test space. We don't have regions and regions of space so its easy to find if someone is ratting 23/7.

**BiggerDangDude** · 2010-09-20

Originally Posted by aes

I would respectfully submit TEST, Goons and sundry cease attempting to differentiate themselves from the NC and antagonising allies, by the grace of whom you are allowed a region to live in. It's a baseless childish serious business attitude you should really stop pushing, or possibly have your CEO's tell you what you're doing wrong. Considering all of the couple months you've had to try so hard getting along without incident in a sea of happy blues and the supposed idea you're just here to have fun and keep posting. I would much like to hear a TEST member (age 6 months) give us an insight into their grievances or how they might hold space at all right now without their "allies by default not choice" giving it them, or a Goon tell us their brosefs TCF were on board with this "Deklein Coalition not NC" agenda before the handover.

I do find it amusing we have heard not a peep from them in any way while they've been gaining sov and setting up the bots, and the very second they begin a new campaign here they are pissing on allies.

As a member of Dreddit since Day 1, I can honestly say my only grievance with the alliance is that Montolio is a dirty jew who won't let me have any of his golds.

**Endie** · 2010-09-20

oh no we have betrayed the legacy that tcf bequeathed us with our creation of the deklein koalanation and our ingratitude to the nc for their gracious gift will doubtless be our downfall

brb gotta set bots going

**IBrokeYourGameSorry** · 2010-09-20

As a member of Dreddit since day (three? four? doesn't matter) I can confirm that aes is, in fact, an enormous vagina.

Who also sucks.

I guess I should also say "we're not NC" or something.

**JLP** · 2010-09-21

Why are you faggots so obsessed with labeling goons/test as the NC anyway, what the fuck difference does it make

I mean I guess you're trying to marginalize them by sticking them in a homogeneous group rather than recognizing them as distinct entities but that's such an idiotic goddamn waste of time I can't see straight

**Yorda** · 2010-09-21

Originally Posted by JLP

Why are you faggots so obsessed with labeling goons/test as the NC anyway, what the fuck difference does it make

I mean I guess you're trying to marginalize them by sticking them in a homogeneous group rather than recognizing them as distinct entities but that's such an idiotic goddamn waste of time I can't see straight

Because this is a forum about internet spaceships, if we have pointless pedantic arguments there would be nothing to discuss for days at a time.

**Hratli Smirks** · 2010-09-21

I would respectfully submit:

sreegs

**Gyncognito** · 2010-09-21

Considering how hostile their space is, with constant threat of hot drops from NCdot and roaming gangs from Ev0ke, Darkside, Bladedot, SoT, and ex-0utbreak, they don't live an easy life.

A friend and I were talking about this the other night. Goon and Test are really bolstering a beleaguered area in the NC. PB isn't an easy place to live. It's the doorway to the north. Every major northern invasion eventually washes up on their shores. It's no surprise to me that the area continues to be so fractious.

How many allies inhabit space in PB? I would contend that would the pb sov holders ever seriously consolidate they might find life a heck of alot easier. Instead of 10 little monkey's jumping around their piles of bananas you might actually have one unified front...so that 400 man alliances (NC.) and upstarts like evoke might be better met in an organized fashion.

Imagine if NC alliances were to really merge. All that latent energy in one centrally organized force. All the pions and fc's that had been working together for half a decade unified under one banner with common goals.

This is madness...

**Pripyat** · 2010-09-21

Actually Pure Blind was terribly quiet and stable about a year ago when MH was holding the area. The Balkanization of PB is quite new after NC pretty much abandoned Cloud Ring as buffer and Triumvirate started terrorizing the area.

Originally Posted by JLP

Why are you faggots so obsessed with labeling goons/test as the NC anyway, what the fuck difference does it make

Just look at the reactions of Goons/B0rt every time someone brings that up and you see what a formidable Trollingtool it is.

**CCP Nozh** · 2010-09-21

merging PB alliances are kinda hard. They are all from different background and wouldn't want to loose their identity. FCON, FA, -7-, WTF and MH already work very close (not sure about space monkeys though). These guys need to work with Deklein people and WI. I think it will not be feasible for these guys to be in goon fleet (different culture) but the FCs should work every closely and coordinate on their attacks.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2010-09-21

Merge WTF with MH

**CCP Nozh** · 2010-09-21

Originally Posted by Mr Coloredshirt

Merge WTF with MH

haha you are funny

**Checkbox Poll** · 2010-09-21

There's a lot of ex-CVA types living in PB. We try to hang with them but they don't really blend well with the internet culture of Goons (SA and Penny Arcade) and Test (Reddit / Ars Technica / 4Chan). They're not big fans of local spam, trolling, and never stopping posting.

Also MH needs to step up. They've been in hibernation for quite a long time - they've been more active as of recent but it's not even on the same order of magnitude of even other PB residents (WTF, FCON).

**Iseeyouseemeseeyou** · 2010-09-21

Check you make me lol with every post.

**TheTall** · 2010-09-21

FCON has far too large a broom shoved up their ass (a metaphor for being stiff-backed, you troll) to be able to be in prolonged close contact with Goons, et al. It would require so much facepalm from FCON that they would even further retard themselves (a metaphor for being feking retarded).

**Hratli Smirks** · 2010-09-21

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

Also MH needs to step up.

whoa whoa whoa

let's not encourage this

**Pripyat** · 2010-09-21

TBH i can't think of any bigger contrast in culture than Goons/TEST and old Providence (now PB-Residents)

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

Also MH needs to step up. They've been in hibernation for quite a long time - they've been more active as of recent but it's not even on the same order of magnitude of even other PB residents (WTF, FCON).

Wasn't WTF supposed to be the PVP-Part of MH?

**Checkbox Poll** · 2010-09-21

Originally Posted by Hratli Smirks

whoa whoa whoa

let's not encourage this

You're right, it's much safer to rat in Branch than in Fade.

**Tyrael** · 2010-09-22

NOOO Everyone knows Branch was not upgraded to Pirate 5 for that specific reason!!!!11

Yeah Old Provi and Deklein are very different, in a few days we will be on Goon comms and this will get hilarious

**Madrak** · 2010-09-22

I wonder if it will be as great for the goons as it will be for the ex-provi residents. You might drive them nuts by saying coherent shit.

**MpozoY** · 2010-09-22

The most effective pubbie tactic to rile up goons so far is to roleplay a bad MC at a two-drink minimum comedy bar

Luckily we hold in reserve a broad and vast variety of racial epithets to overcome such contratemps

**Kazanir** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by aes

I would respectfully submit TEST, Goons and sundry cease attempting to differentiate themselves from the NC and antagonising allies, by the grace of whom you are allowed a region to live in. It's a baseless childish serious business attitude you should really stop pushing, or possibly have your CEO's tell you what you're doing wrong. Considering all of the couple months you've had to try so hard getting along without incident in a sea of happy blues and the supposed idea you're just here to have fun and keep posting. I would much like to hear a TEST member (age 6 months) give us an insight into their grievances or how they might hold space at all right now without their "allies by default not choice" giving it them, or a Goon tell us their brosefs TCF were on board with this "Deklein Coalition not NC" agenda before the handover.

I do find it amusing we have heard not a peep from them in any way while they've been gaining sov and setting up the bots, and the very second they begin a new campaign here they are pissing on allies.

My God, you're a better poster than Tyrone! Please don't be a one-post wonder, the potential here could be enormous.

However, you did get Thirsty pretty good, so congrats on that score. (Sorry Thirsty

)

**Opti** · 2010-09-22

The only way to save their relationship is to let the people in PB listen to jack gates for 10minutes

**Zagdul** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

Go ask anyone in RZR, MM, or other NC foundations if Goons and Test are NC. The response that you get is the same - they are allies. We like the NC. People play HON / Tanks together all the time. There's constant chatter in jabber channels between us but we're not considered members. If one of our systems was under attack, they'd most likely come and help, and if one of their systems was under attack, we'd most likely come and help.

Ask anyone in PB when there's problems. You see Goons and Test there - because we're allies and it benefits us both to defend this space.

You may not understand this, but in Test and Goons, there are no such things as a CTA. Sure the FC might bitch a bit in general channels when there aren't a lot of people Xing up for fleets - but there's no consequence. You can continue to rat or shoot rocks and no one is gonna kick you from the alliance.

That being said - in order to continue to hold space in nullsec, you have to go to some fleets. In Test at least a huge consideration of letting a corp into alliance is if they want to PVP or not. We like to explode and hopefully take bad guys down with us.

This is why there's a difference. There's a separate culture between us and most of the PB residents. We still like them though and applaud their enthusiasm and resiliency. Considering how hostile their space is, with constant threat of hot drops from NCdot and roaming gangs from Ev0ke, Darkside, Bladedot, SoT, and ex-0utbreak, they don't live an easy life.

Also botting will get you kicked from Test.

(sorry for the somewhat rambling post, not enough coffee

)

Confirming that TEST/Goons are awesome neighbors.

You guys have been a heap of fun to fleet with and rely upon. I was on the other side of the TEST/Goon guns when -FA- lived in Scalding Pass and you guys were the most fun opponents to go against. It's a pleasure to fly with you guys now and so far, you all rock.

@Quesa...

Serious post... My alliance is rather young and we're getting used to your pilots who babysit our systems. Sometimes they're friendly and chat it up, but for the most part they're pretty professional and serious business where they don't have a reply. We find it pretty boring sometimes and wish you'd engage once and a while when the odds of the fight might not go to your favor. Once you did and we lost pretty badly where I told the pilots to primary the wrong ships (we were in a bunch of missile boats and shoulda went after the black ops before the recons). It was a learning experience and we'd like to learn some more. If you have any advice on this, I'd be happy to learn/hear.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying how to combat the cloaky guy in our systems, it's fun watching my alliance band together to combat it (this has actually brought my alliance closer together). We now carebear it up in groups and we spend more time in comms together brosefing it up. It's a real bonding experience for everyone. It's also pushed out the people who can't handle it and left the stronger willed people behind.

Anyway, thanks for the assistance on pushing out some of the dead weight in -FA-. You're hardening us up and the help is much appreciated.

On a side note, I got a chance to use tildes in my post and I'm quite proud of it. I also believe I've made a new word by verbifying brosef.

**indet** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Pripyat

TBH i can't think of any bigger contrast in culture than Goons/TEST and old Providence (now PB-Residents)

Wasn't WTF supposed to be the PVP-Part of MH?

WTF was started with [active] refugees from MH (THORN, Trojan Trolls, others). We branded ourselves as a PVP alliance. Since then we've got a couple other corps added on. Guys don't forget, FCON is new and improved with 50% more Looney Tunes now. meep meep rite?

**Thirsty McDrinkerston** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by indet

WTF was started with [active] refugees from MH (THORN, Trojan Trolls, others). We branded ourselves as a PVP alliance. Since then we've got a couple other corps added on. Guys don't forget, FCON is new and improved with 50% more Looney Tunes now. meep meep rite?

Yeah, but anyone can brand themselves pvp. Does it make you better? Look at TEST. We brand ourselves based on pvp... Doesn't mean we are fucking any good at it.

**Quesa** · 2010-09-22

Yes but TEST does things, they participate. MH just sits there sucking it's thumb. They put crap participation into everything they do but are the biggest whiners when something of theirs is under threat. They are a clear example of an entity that should really pull the plug and merge with someone else. They keep taking other Alliance refugees in a struggle to stay alive but appears more like an Alliance-Zombie.

**indet** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Thirsty McDrinkerston

Yeah, but anyone can brand themselves pvp. Does it make you better? Look at TEST. We brand ourselves based on pvp... Doesn't mean we are fucking any good at it.

I can only really speak for myself so, for the second time in as many days: I'm terrible. Really, for real, terrible...and this is where I belong.

**Propz** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Quesa

Yes but TEST does things, they participate. MH just sits there sucking it's thumb. They put crap participation into everything they do but are the biggest whiners when something of theirs is under threat. They are a clear example of an entity that should really pull the plug and merge with someone else. They keep taking other Alliance refugees in a struggle to stay alive but appears more like an Alliance-Zombie.

You take this game far too serious. It's as if you're afraid to lose.

Since MH aren't playing your game, what game do you think they should play so they can be winners?

**flowerpot** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Propz

You take this game far too serious. It's as if you're afraid to lose.

Since MH aren't playing your game, what game do you think they should play so they can be winners?

You read something into Quesa's post which clearly isn't there.

MH are a constant underperformer. If you think atlas was shit or aaa is more of a paper tiger than a real powerblock, I would not disagree. MH in comparison is much, much worse and at this point not even the fact that they have well established ties with the major powers in the north can justify the amount of space they are still holding. They are disappointing to fight alongside with and I bet this is what Quesa meant to say, boring to fight against.

**CCP Nozh** · 2010-09-22

well Quesa wants MH to die because they want to beat up PB pretty bad. without MH we don't have those nice JBs around PB and Fade and it will take about 3+ weeks to get that set it up. They are still terrible though

**flowerpot** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by CCP Nozh

well Quesa wants MH to die because they want to beat up PB pretty bad. without MH we don't have those nice JBs around PB and Fade and it will take about 3+ weeks to get that set it up. They are still terrible though

Ok, I wasn't really taking into account that might be good at setting up POS and stuff. This would be a plus. On the other hand, if that is your claim to fame, you are a good addition to an existing pvp force without these capabilities but not a force to be reckoned with on your own.

**Quesa** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by CCP Nozh

well Quesa wants MH to die because they want to beat up PB pretty bad. without MH we don't have those nice JBs around PB and Fade and it will take about 3+ weeks to get that set it up. They are still terrible though

Didn't have much to do with it, also we don't seem to have many problems taking out JB links when we really want to.

**CCP Nozh** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Quesa

Didn't have much to do with it, also we don't seem to have many problems taking out JB links when we really want to.

correct but to day to day moving around those JB help alot and without them you guys will get lot of more kills.

@ Flowerpot

I'm not in MH and they are not good at it but if they give up their systems we'll have to wait like 3-4 weeks to the JBs back.

**Aurora148** · 2010-09-22

http://kb.burningnapalm.com/?a=kill_...kll_id=7654089

**BiggerDangDude** · 2010-09-22

This just in MM are poop.

**Kythren** · 2010-09-22

literally the shit.

**Zagdul** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by CCP Nozh

well Quesa wants MH to die because they want to beat up PB pretty bad. without MH we don't have those nice JBs around PB and Fade and it will take about 3+ weeks to get that set it up. They are still terrible though

Why would you want more target alliances to die if you're in the region for ~goodfites~?

**Checkbox Poll** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Zagdul

Why would you want more target alliances to die if you're in the region for ~goodfites~?

Isn't that the key though? Why would they be in PB if they wanted "good" fights?

**Securitas** · 2010-09-22

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

Isn't that the key though? Why would they be in PB if they wanted "good" fights?

I know that you're being sarcastic but if I'm not mistaken they usually get good fights. Historically if TRI isn't killing something (with a high efficiency

) they give up rather quickly, so PB residents must be doing something right(or wrong?)

**Checkbox Poll** · 2010-09-23

Originally Posted by Securitas

I know that you're being sarcastic but if I'm not mistaken they usually get good fights. Historically if TRI isn't killing something (with a high efficiency

) they give up rather quickly, so PB residents must be doing something right(or wrong?)

That's the key. PB residents still think it's OK to bring close range BS against brofists with 15 Guardians. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

TRI doesn't want ~goodfites~, they want good killboard efficiency and killmails.

**Securitas** · 2010-09-23

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

That's the key. PB residents still think it's OK to bring close range BS against brofists with 15 Guardians. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

TRI doesn't want ~goodfites~, they want good killboard efficiency and killmails.

TBH I don't think that you can say another entity doesn't want good fights. The only reason to play this game is to have fun, so if they're playing it in the vicinity of PB I would assume they're having fun doing it. I mean eventually it might get old raping CR bs fleets with armor hacs but that might take a long time. Winning is fun (usually.) Tri are winning (once again usually.) I think that's what really matters.

If PB residents keep being stupid and losing in a big way, that doesn't say anything about their enemies.

TL;DR: Who cares why they are there. Looks like everyone's having fun right?

**indet** · 2010-09-23

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

TRI doesn't want ~goodfites~, they want good killboard efficiency and killmails.

To be fair, it's not that often you have a goodfite and lose. Off the top of my head I can only think of one recent-ish one vs. Cry Havoc on one of their Placid POSs. We failed to ref the POS, had a 12yr old FC (with Lucian in tow) and had an excellent fight. That said RE:NCDOT.....it's rare to see a BR from them when they get stuffed. Which I find modestly amusing but suppose that goes with what I said just now. Some often substantial part of a goodfite is winning.

**Zagdul** · 2010-09-23

Originally Posted by Securitas

I know that you're being sarcastic but if I'm not mistaken they usually get good fights. Historically if TRI isn't killing something (with a high efficiency

) they give up rather quickly, so PB residents must be doing something right(or wrong?)

I don't think he's being sarcastic.

They've got three tactics which are effective at good KB ratios:

1. Blops hot drops on the lone ratter.
2. have scars on standby.
3. run.

These three have netted them a wonderful killboard ratio. However, they rarely "fight", where instead, they just gank. If you watch their KB, occasionally, they do get involved in a fleet fight, but it's quick. They drop in, get a few kills then get out. They don't stay for a fight. Furthermore, the majority of their KB consists of the cloaky guy in a system + blops. Again, they're not fighting... they're turning the PVP button on when they want to.

I respect Tri/Doom./NCdot w/e... as killing machines. They're extremely effective at doing just that... Killing. But I don't understand why they play their game the way they do and continue to have fun doing it. I don't know... I wasn't bullied much as a child nor was I a bully so I really have no beef with the world. I guess this is what separates me from Doom.. Maybe I'm over-thinking it and the one taking shit too seriously.

Basically, all Doom. has accomplished is pushing out the players in -FA- who can't handle 0.0 life in a hostile environment, and who don't know how to play smart. They've further pushed out the people who would rather carebear it up than fight. In essence, it's kept the stronger, more hardheaded, resourceful people around who are here for fun and pushed out the whiny people who can't handle it. They're doing us a favor. It's also made our participation look better. When we moved here, we had over 1000 people in our alliance, we've downsized quite a bit and when we show up with the numbers we do, it's a bit better on paper. We're also not done with our house cleaning.

I'm not saying they should play my game, but I don't understand how their game is fun in the long run. Me personally, I don't care if I lose ships and the majority of the pilots in -FA- share the same philosophy where we'd rather duke it out than run away or concern ourselves with superduper awesome KB stats. We have fun blowing up other people's ships just as much as we love running in and having our's popped. It keeps the game enjoyable for us.

Now, don't get me wrong. If there's a fight we see that we're obviously not going to win on our own, I'm not gonna durka durka a fleet. I will however be sure that whatever we do is fun for the group.

TL;DR: I don't get what the point of being so serious business with KB ratios.

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

TRI doesn't want ~goodfites~, they want good killboard efficiency and killmails.

I get this... but I don't get how this is fun.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2010-09-23

Originally Posted by Zagdul

I don't think he's being sarcastic.

They've got three tactics which are effective at good KB ratios:

1. Blops hot drops on the lone ratter.
2. have scars on standby.
3. run.

These three have netted them a wonderful killboard ratio. However, they rarely "fight", where instead, they just gank. If you watch their KB, occasionally, they do get involved in a fleet fight, but it's quick. They drop in, get a few kills then get out. They don't stay for a fight. Furthermore, the majority of their KB consists of the cloaky guy in a system + blops. Again, they're not fighting... they're turning the PVP button on when they want to.

I respect Tri/Doom./NCdot w/e... as killing machines. They're extremely effective at doing just that... Killing. But I don't understand why they play their game the way they do and continue to have fun doing it. I don't know... I wasn't bullied much as a child nor was I a bully so I really have no beef with the world. I guess this is what separates me from Doom.. Maybe I'm over-thinking it and the one taking shit too seriously.

Basically, all Doom. has accomplished is pushing out the players in -FA- who can't handle 0.0 life in a hostile environment, and who don't know how to play smart. They've further pushed out the people who would rather carebear it up than fight. In essence, it's kept the stronger, more hardheaded, resourceful people around who are here for fun and pushed out the whiny people who can't handle it. They're doing us a favor. It's also made our participation look better. When we moved here, we had over 1000 people in our alliance, we've downsized quite a bit and when we show up with the numbers we do, it's a bit better on paper. We're also not done with our house cleaning.

I'm not saying they should play my game, but I don't understand how their game is fun in the long run. Me personally, I don't care if I lose ships and the majority of the pilots in -FA- share the same philosophy where we'd rather duke it out than run away or concern ourselves with superduper awesome KB stats. We have fun blowing up other people's ships just as much as we love running in and having our's popped. It keeps the game enjoyable for us.

Now, don't get me wrong. If there's a fight we see that we're obviously not going to win on our own, I'm not gonna durka durka a fleet. I will however be sure that whatever we do is fun for the group.

TL;DR: I don't get what the point of being so serious business with KB ratios.

I get this... but I don't get how this is fun.

Tri drop on your raven because they were bullied as children. Brilliant.

**Thirsty McDrinkerston** · 2010-09-23

BCA is getting evicted right now. Will post more later... Taking out targets in 85-

BCA refused to join ops and made really really terrible demands of everyone in Dek about moons, systems to rat in, etc. Turns out they are Stella guests and not TCF.

**Genover** · 2010-09-23

The best fights I've had in Eve have been against DOOM. and Ev0ke. We allways outnumber them heavily, yet they allways give us a challange. I've yet seen them to run away from a fair fight, or even a fight where they weren't massivly outnumbered. But then I'm not in an elite Pure Blind alliance, so they might simply be scared of you.

And saying the enemy doesn't want ~goodfites~ just because they use superior tactics is retarted. If you've got equal or greater numbers, it's your own god damned fault for not being competent enough to counter the hostile fleet. Saying D00M. doesn't want ~goofites~ because they bring aHACs against battleships; you can't expect DOOM. to hold your hand and reship into a shiptype more convenient for you to fight.