http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...readID=1386245
Its logical that SP's for PLEX'es would be next aint?
Remap for PLEX on SISI
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...readID=1386245
Its logical that SP's for PLEX'es would be next aint?
I'm against this on principle. Paying a subscription for a service is fine, they do employ developers and they have a costly server infrastructure, but paying to have a boolean switched in their SQL database is absurd. Paying ISK for remaps is fine, buying ISK with $$$ to pay for remaps is fine but this is directly paying $$$ for remaps.
I'd totaly make a post along the liines of: this is the end of eve as we know it, cu in World Of Tanks.
if only I didn't quit eve already almost 2 years ago and WOT wasn't boring and imbalanced as fuck.
if people want to waste their rl money to get ahead in internet pixels then they should be able to,
but the amount of people jumping to conclusions in that thread already is just
hurfdiblurf
If you forgot system to distribute sp's is already implemented ingame.
As is a system (well, a policy) to buy characters. Don't really see the big issue with this.Originally Posted by Kittek
Not the same thing. If redistribution was made possible, atleast half the characters above 50mill SP will become titan pilots. And not just crappy ones that can only sit in a titan, focused and specialized titan pilots.
the system cant redistribute existing xp, it just allows for xxx amount sp to be "gifted" to the character that can then by applied to any existing skills.
it would be funny if they allowed people to redistribute
carrier 5
fighterbombers 5
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profit
I'm jumping too.
This is a signal that CCP are aware that EVE has peaked, they are now going to ride the rollercoaster all the way down the hill as far as they can, extracting as much $ along the way as possible to put into new projects.
EDIT: I like WOT, apart from SPG's and some of the retarded decisions made; tanks dont really stall going up 30 degree slopes and they accelerate faster than your nans 2 door hatchback.
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Dibs on the first ships being sold through the EVE website in exchange for PLEX. /tinfoil hat
Blizzard has been doing this with shit for years, it's about time CCP catches on and nickel and dimes power gamers.
Maybe with the funds it generates they'll be able to hire some new devs and fix lag :snicker:
Yea in the future CCP will sell "Reinforced Node" in exchange for 5 PLEX.
Fuck you sir.... Fuck you. For the pain you just caused me in that imagined and probable future.
And CCP too.
[Arrador] possesses a considerable understanding of ship configurations, strengths and weakness. He gives clear and purposeful instructions, is good at taking advantage of the fleet-composition he's dealt, and never loses sight of the main goal: fun. This, paired with an excellent tolerance for strong drink gives him an almost Churchillian capability to win, despite being completely pissed on booze most of the fleet operation.
Shoot shuttle full of plex on jita undock - > remap your shit for free
I genuinely wonder if an alliance got together and bought the hardware for CCPs cluster, whether they could get their own perma-reinforced node to follow them around
I can see why older players would be upset with this but it's really not that bad. Basically people can buy skill points for the times they were not playing. It gives the chance for new players to catch up while ccp still gets the money and rich fgts can quickly train their supercap alts if they want.
Don't forget most of us were able to take advantage of ghost training back in the day(bs5 while running around chasing girls not thinking of video games).
Blizzard offered a special mount for like 25 bucks. On the day of release they had million USD in sales. Talk about making money out of thin air.
Unfortunately full subscription price+cash store+lots of RMT toolbooths is becoming the norm with MMOs. Stuff like remaps and skillpoint respecs are about all that CCP could sell unless they start introducing exclusive ships or something.
The worrysome thing is that sandbox games don't lend themselves well to RMT which means CCP will be encouraged to start revamping parts of the game to make them less sandboxy and more ameanable to tollbooths.
DDO does something similiar if you want to change feats. You can do it using in game items you can collect, or you just buy the required gem from the DDO store. Of interest is that the cost of this sort of "remap" gets more expensive the higher level you are.
I don't mind the idea of buying remaps with PLEX'es - as long as you still get your one free remap a year.
I raised this a few months ago, but was told I was trolling...
I'm not sure what I think about the idea. In some ways it is amusing... imagine a pirate jumping on some 2 month old toon ratting in a low sec belt, to find the owner knew how to PVP, and had the cash or ISK to max out their cruiser combat skills. I don't mind the idea in some ways for remapping, or allowing toons with - say - less than 10M SP to buy some. There is a risk though that SP for Plex / SP remapping for Plex will devalue people's attachments to their toons.
My main is 4 years old now - it has lots of wasted SP, but they reflect the different paths it has taken and the history of the character in EVE. There are various ships he can fly and modules he can use that come from many hours spent in EVEMon and for and against decisions having been made, remade, and changed again... Now if I can just swap all those industry SP for combat, and be an effective Titian pilot tomorrow, do I hold less value in that ability because it didn't take half a year of training? I know it sounds a little lame, but if you have less invested in your account, you are less likely to stick with it long term.
I am in effect on an EVE break at the moment. I still have two accounts training, and occasionally will run around and do something in the game, but mostly I only log on to change skills or chat to friends. I still read these forums and take an interest in the game. If I could just buy SP, I would probably be less interested in leaving my half inactive accounts running. I will just read the expansion release notes, and if anything sounds interesting, resub for a month or two, buy any SP to cover the new skills I might want to try, and suspend the account again when I lose interest. Is that a good thing for EVE in the long term?
If this goes through, I'm out.
no you won't, you gay.
I SWEAR!
aluminum tycoons buying a supercap fleet and the pilots to go with them?
[Arrador] possesses a considerable understanding of ship configurations, strengths and weakness. He gives clear and purposeful instructions, is good at taking advantage of the fleet-composition he's dealt, and never loses sight of the main goal: fun. This, paired with an excellent tolerance for strong drink gives him an almost Churchillian capability to win, despite being completely pissed on booze most of the fleet operation.
Well, let's think about this. If the amount of SP per plex were even close to 30 days worth of normal training, you would see the following things happen:
- The character sales market would go into the toilet if not vanish altogether. Remember that CCP makes money off of (above the board) character sales, both directly via the transfer fee and indirectly from people paying for accounts to train characters for sale. The financial effect to CCP would be minor but this acts as another part of the "veteran's nerf" by reducing the isk available to bitter vets from selling their old alts.
- Alt consolidation leading to reduced active accounts. Why have a separate market alt, production alt, mining alt and cap alt if you could just train them all on the same char? Normally the different attributes would make doing so take a prohibitively long time, but buying a plex to just get the SP is cheaper than maintaining a separate account for the extra alts. You'll see some of this just from letting people plex-remap. Heck, you can just use plex to 'train' multiple characters on the same account simultaneously, effectively turning it on and off at will. Would be a short term financial gain for CCP but a long term loss from the lost accounts.
- All of those guys like EveHermit above who keep paying accounts just to keep the skill queue filled would vanish. Why pay for an account when you can just come back a few months down the road, pay the same amount via plex for SP, and be at the same spot? You can chat in jabber / forums just as well. The big problem is, once you win Eve by cancelling your accounts, the odds of you actually coming back go way, way down. This would end up being a big hit to CCP's finances in the long run.
So I don't see them doing SP for plex, not at any kind of worthwhile rate, not if they have a lick of sense. In fact, remapping for plex is financially sketchy to begin with.
If they really want to make cash, they should take plex to build personalized monuments in space. Yes, giant dongs would blot out the Jita sunlight, but hey, more kronur for rotten shark. Otherwise the only things that make any sense are turbo-carebear stuff like selling gatekeys to 'private' systems for ratting.
This has CCP in need of extra monies written all over it, this idea is about as good as CCP had with letting PLEX being an item you can undock with. It benefits CCP for the most part while were stuck with no benefits until they can be arsed to do something in 18 more months.
It may just be me, but there aren't too many times I actually benefit enough from a remap that I'd pay that amount of ISK/$ for. I'm not really concerned with this change however, if they start selling SP, yeah...
While I do agree with you, this change could mean the world for a player under 10mill SP. After having played EVE for years, we have developed a routine to not train everything to level 1, leave and it then decide if we need level 4 or 5. But for a new player the mindset is "i wanna fly that, and that and that too and fit that with that on top of that!" which ends up in different attributes being needed quite often
Yeah...what is really the concern here? Even if they sold full respec's for plex which pooled all your SP for you to redistribute but you had to rebuy skill books etc etc... that has no effect on the game either.
Straight out buying SP could pose a problem..but you can already buy char's for isk/ebay so that changes nothing either.
CCP will lose some alt accounts because you will be able to train multi chars on one account...but you still need cyno alts and hauler alts and countless others on different accounts so even that wont make much difference.
People with cash to burn irl can already just go buy a 50mil SP char for $500... if CCP can get that money to actually improve shit than who cares.
I told you all microtransactions would get into this game eventually but you didn't listen!
*Cackles madly on the street floor soaked in his own urine*
whoa i can get 500 bucks for my 60mil sp?
WTS all my 4mill SP in Industry - 5bill isk :P
A few months ago i would have said bullshit but then i read about the $1mill a day made with micro-transactions of games like farmville. If i was ccp i would jump on that train asap aswell.
KoToR Online cannot come too soon. Please, save me from this game.
Doesn't surprise me at all really. Someone mention DDO before and it's the perfect example of this how well this works:
DDO was a p2p game for something like 4 or 5 years. It's a very good game to sit down and play with your friends, but it is no MMO like say eve or lineage. Very good, but since it isn't any different than say icewind dale with friends, there's not much point in paying a monthly price.
So they changed their model to free to play, put all the high quality quests into adventure packs you get get for like 3$ each (there's roughly 20 such packs i think). Now, however, their userbase has gone from I think 10k subscribed to 1mil+ users. They make more money now than they did in 5 years the game was p2p. They also moved lotro to the same model now that ddo had such great success.
You can still have a "vip" account, which is basically $15 per month and you don't have queues on login, have access to all quests and get free microtransaction points you can use on ammo/pots/whatnot (since you have all the content anyway). However if your account lapses you can still play the free content, whore the auction house etc.
Eve would probably see a similar result if it moved to a completely free to play model and people could pay to get SP faster and other such bullshit. A large influx of complete retards, general failures and major noobs. I wouldn't mind that though, there's never enough idiots to gank in eve. Servers prolly couldn't handle it though, other games use shards so a large amount of players isn't a problem.
Most people just don't like paying for a service, because if you don't have much time to play it's not worth paying for at all. And once your account lapses you're less likely to subscribe again. CCP "fixed" this by disabling ghost training, however now when people do unsub it's even harder for them to sub again, where before they at least had a new long skill finished.
Also, KoToR online is pretty much wow, but in starwars. Don't really think it'll save anyone from eve for more than a couple months.
Unfortunately RMT "cash shops" and tollbooths bolted onto even older MMO's is something that no one is going to be able to resist, not even CCP, despite the fact that EVE's sandbox nature makes such a thing not very easy to do. I fully expect they will start selling attribute and skillpoint respecs... Frankly I'd love to be able to respec mine, but I don't believe it should be something that is exclusive to a cash shop.
If they offered it free once a year like the attribute respec, but available additionally via PLEX payment I'd not have much of a problem with it. But when CCP starts adding services that are cash shop only that give real in game play advantages, that is a moral and ethical line crossed.
I fully expect DUST and World of Darkness to be RMT heavy from the get go. EVE itself will likely have new additions to the game designed around it too (Incarna). Want to bet they don't offer costumes for sale exclusive to the cash shop?
RMT and "Free to PAY" models of getting MORE from your customer than $15/month are all the rage and is the new flavor of the month amongst the publishers. It won't go away until it's proven a failure just as the "clone WOW, get 10 million subscribers" FOTM did. There are an awful lot of shitty MMOs out there that are going RMT/Free to PAY as an effort to save themselves. In the end they are still shitty MMOs, just shitty MMOs that are now more expensive.
TOR is going to be full price subscription+cash store. And it is going to make the NGE game look like a sandbox by comparison.
Its certainly going to be a PVE fest. That your thing? Its KOTOR III but you can play it with friends; years and years ago i had a blast doing this with Neverwinter nights, given Bioware are selling TOR on 'we have a great STORY. YES WE SAID STORY!!!GREAT STORY UNDERSTAND?' i expect this is what they have in mind.
Its too similar to WoW in the public imagination, but the IP will draw enough people that it survives at least a year. Hell it may even surprise me yet, but i doubt it. I'll still at least try it, if only to grief precious snowflake glowstick wielders.
Its a single player game with some multiplayer/MMO features. Anyone thniking or hoping it will be pre NGE Galaxies will be sad.
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TOR will be WOW crossed with a Bioware single player game (Mass Effect, KOTR, Dragon Age, etc). In fact, I doubt it is even as open as WOW is.
Pre-CU SWG is still available at http://www.swgemu.com
It will be nothing like Mass Effect, you shouldn't even mention them in the same sentence
BioWare have some really fking talented employees and a whole bunch of significantly less talentent ppl
People spending RL money to get ahead in Eve? Why I never!
Yeah I've been wondering what the going rate for my characters would be
?"eve's a bad mmo, really bad, it's only saving grace is the people playing it, which i guess doesn't say great things about the people playing other MMOs"
I don't mind PVE as long as its actually good. PVE in Eve is garbage, and for a time, WoW actually didn't do too bad with it before the content feed/nerf train got rolling after their first expansion. It was funny I complained about bugs then. Once you get over the idea that everything CCP designs will be buggier than a roach motel, you actually learn to enjoy EVE. It's definitely an acquired taste though.
[off-topic about NWN]
I was actually a significant figure in the NWN multiplayer PW community, and contributed add-ons to the NWNX2 extender, under another alias, as well as built vault scripting systems and assisted with a major PW. The PWs ("Persistent World", this term meant for private run servers that allowed lots of people to login, much akin to MUDs but with NWN UI) were ofc much smaller than say MMOs, allowing max 64 simultaneous connections, although with VaultSter they came out with a way to shard the NWN worlds. Arelith boasted some 100+ players in its grander days, which was pretty amazing considering it was built and staffed completely by all volunteers who had other jobs. The real beauty of it is instead of outsourcing game mechanics to "professionals" like say CCP or Blizzard, users decided these things and setup their own servers. Through social-darwinism the fail servers died and the good ones got popular, so you could pick your flavor of PVE/PVP balance, style of dungeon grind, spell boosts or nerfs, and so on by deciding which server you played on, much akin to what you get with half-life in the FPS world.
[/end off topic]
If Kotor lets me build my own game worlds, even if its with lightsabers, I'll consider it a satisfactory replacement to Eve any day. I was under the impression it was going to be more of a classical type MMO, but its been too long since I visited their site.
Fail for me not to check, but that was probably because I was going to try Kotor anyway for the obligatory two months at least.
omg NWN was epic.
<3 defiance server.
whats the deal with the new starwars game?
i thought it was essentially going to be wow with lightsabers?
It will be and Bioware wont give you creative control anything like you might be imagining with regard to NWN, because then they cant make you pay for it content. Anything you decide to make of/in the game will be working within the framework of their pre-existing story and individual class based plots.
I doubt we will ever see a mainstream game like NWN again that gives you the same degree of freedom or tools to design, run and create content.
EDIT: Yeah we are way off topic now, split the thread i guess.
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In life you know you're getting old the first time you look at some idiot in pop music or politics and say to yourself...wtf is wrong wit this world and the people who live in it? The same thing applies to gaming. One day you wake up and you realize the entire industry went WoW idiotic. Then, if you live long enough you see it becomes a South East Asian cash shop of vacuous retardation. At that point you either embrace the retardation or you become a shut in playing x-com on your vintage 486.
Every time I read crap like this I always think what a great game x-com was...to pine for the past is humanity, I guess.
This statement made me cry. I will now go get a black suit and go into mourning.
Well, we will probably always be a niche market than a mass market, but as long as we hang on to our dollar, pound, or euro and not give in then I think there will always be someone clever enough to court that niche because even though niches are not necessarily high yield, they are low competition which makes worries about going bust much less and there is stability in that. If we all go cheap whore, then hookers will be all we get.
The game industry has enjoyed a lot of success lately, and for all the economic slow down you hear on the news, it has been largely unaffected and still shows strong growth. In fact, I hear more money is spent on games than on movies, DVDs, music CDs, and books COMBINED, yet over 95% of this income is shared among a handful of companies, predominantly those of the ESA ( http://www.theesa.com/about/members.asp ). Membership is extremely exclusive - big kids only. Since its clear the game market is not saturated, companies are shooting for more. When competition gets tough, there will be more great deals.
So I should remap my characters this week while it's still free?
Caldari Achura never givin' up my 3 charisma crew :whatup:
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