Delvolution

[Maulth]

Lets not forget, America never lost a large set peice battle in Vietnam but they still did not win the war.

Bring on the Sun Tzu quotes next, please. Seriously, using Vietnam as center-line defining argument against why you shouldn't be fighting, and instead, running away? Jesus Christ you people. It's almost like you've never even logged into this video game, and learned how to play through bad IT/NC instructional videos.

Ninja edit: Feels good to know my negrep gave you your first red bar (don't know if it's because I was the straw that broke the back, or I only see it after I negrep him)

[Richter Belmont]

The game of chess, is like a swordfight.

You must think first - before you move.

[Prodnovick]

If only USA(#1) had used their supers, it would have been a better world.

[HUN73R]

I thought that was Curse, and Raiden. spent a good couple of months there doing fuck all and still didn't manage to 'die'. Still seems a pointless exercise to me.

That's funny, considering the origins of Raiden. I'm p sure they've died in Delve quite a few times by now. Curse is the old alliances retirement home, but Delve is where old and really bad alliances go to get "good fites" but die instead...

[Scotch]

For those thinking 'have fun grinding out all those systems', I offer a simple perspective. What do you think happens when 200 people, who rarely get to use their caps, are told 'here's three regions, have fun'?

Basically the short bus broke down in your front yard and the retards are on the loose.

[Themick]

Or s2n drops supers on CFC/PL supers

If -a- IS the "paramount fuck all the rest we're elite in the south" leaders everyone says they are, AND from what I remember hearing having one of the largest super fleets in game, PLUS being blue with Raiden who also has super.....



......why is it just s2n you speak of?


Unless they are the only ones actually putting up a fight. Then yeah, my bad, fuck cfc-hb, you guys need to stop ganging up on one alliance yo.

[Grinder]

I'm not sure Raiden. super fleet is that big anymore, with X13, Ankou, and Endstation all gone, dunno how many supers that reduced them by.

[Yoji]

Personally I just don't get what Raiden. is doing in this war.

They've no real ties to -A-, Nulli, or anyone in SoCo.

They've no space to defend.

It can't be the goons thing because Raiden. moved down BEFORE the CFC deployed (just).

They're no being paid for it.

I don't get it, Raiden. has no income to speak off, they've got some cash left over from when they did own tech (and its not like they've done fuck all since leaving Tenal), but why go to Delve and just piss that money away on fights they can't ever win.

Eventually they'll have pissed up all their cash, still won't have any space or moons and won't have the ISK to actually get involved in a war they COULD stand a chance of winning.

Because in contrast to some other people they went: hey this big napfest is fighting a much smaller napfest. Lest have some fun and side on the side of the small one, instead of the big one.

And like S2N, -A- and the other SoCo entities. They dont mind a fight they cannot win. As long as it is a challange and it is fun. And for us, bombing 200 drakes to pits is fun. Even when it wont stop us from losing space.

[tgr]

The propaganda machine trying to split SN2 away from -A- has gone into overdrive I see.

It's no propaganda, just facts.

It would not matter who led the Soco or called the shots as things stand they cannot match what has to be the biggest blue nap fest ever assembled in EVE.

Let me, again, point out that Raiden. held out for a lot longer than SoCo did before breaking, and that was with 1/30th the number. It's not all about numbers, it's a lot about Not Being Bad At Eve. Makalu "overheating his MWD" Zarya is apparently good at one thing, I'll give him that: he's very good at making you lot look bad.

[Themick]

Seriously, using Vietnam as center-line defining argument against why you shouldn't be fighting, and instead, running away?

If the guy actually ~knew~ the history he spoke of he would know that the vietcong/nva didn't just run and hide, they actually went on the attack, caused strategic losses to the enemy and did take ground. Sure they got beat back and used the Maoist method of bending but not breaking, but they didn't give up and accept defeat.

Oi, learn ya'll some.

[Some Lemming]

If -a- IS the "paramount fuck all the rest we're elite in the south" leaders everyone says they are

they aren't

[tgr]

And like[...] -A- [...] They dont mind a fight they cannot win.

Let's ask Makalu "Bring ships I don't like, and I'll dock up" Zarya. Or Makalu "bitch and moan" Zarya.

[Headblast]

I'm not sure Raiden. super fleet is that big anymore, with X13, Ankou, and Endstation all gone, dunno how many supers that reduced them by.

X13 could, at the peak, actively field ~13 titans supported by somewhere around 10 supers. Ankou was also very supercap heavy, and only Finfleet could theoretically field more, but included people afk from the game in their supercap fleet list.

It's a very large chunk of Raiden. Supers which are gone. Adding to that the inactive players right now, I doubt that Raiden. will play any role in a potential supercap fight.

[Yoji]

Let me tell you how well this worked out for
- PL in Fountain vs. BOB
- MC in PB/Querious vs. BOB
- Northern Coalition vs. PL/NC./Raiden

I could go on here.

Like,
- WN/PL/Init/CO2 in South vs SoCo
- WN/PL/NCdot in South vs SoCo-
- DRF/PL in East vs SoCo/Solar

oh wait. Just saying, sometimes wars of attriton work, sometimes they dont. For -A- and the south, they have always (so far)

[Space cadet]

Two things:

It's not a sov "grind" in the terms you define it. These guys, when I asked earlier, said that since Soco doesn't threaten the HB-CFC supers, they are flipping everything in the systems they attack super damn quick. There are no station shoots that last for 2-3 hours on one target. They are taking that amount of time to clear multiple targets.

So there goes that argument.

Next....set piece battle? What? Do you realize, the more Soco doesn't attack in a "set piece battle," the less likely they will have an opportunity to do so on their terms. At this rate, if you don't pick your spot and give it a go, Soco is gonna be pushed back to hell and gone.


A dent needs to be made on the super force that is being used against Soco. I have heard and read about how both sides have pretty good super numbers....welp fuck, CFC-HB are using theirs with no fear of reprisal. Soco, sack up and correct their thinking, or lose.

[Sean Alenko]

Like,
- WN/PL/Init/CO2 in South vs SoCo
- WN/PL/NCdot in South vs SoCo-
- DRF/PL in East vs SoCo/Solar

oh wait. Just saying, sometimes wars of attriton work, sometimes they dont. For -A- and the south, they have always (so far)

Still when does ~war of attrition~ mean wait until PL leaves.

[shin chan]

So by now everyone knows this isn't a sov-war, but a multi-regional sov transfer. Fairly civil at that. Things seem to be going easy enough and we are even getting some lols along the way. Hopefully we do get a nice rhythm going with quick flips of boring sov structure. In between that shitty game mechanic, hopefully we can have fun sub-cap style with skirmish style pvp fights.

Cfc/&CO get their space, just give us some fun fights along the way. Its a good way to keep everyone happy and avoid bad feelings. If CFC/etc isn't interested in pointless brawls then so be it. I cant see why not though,nulli is more than happy to and it gives the other team experience and something fun to do. Better than staring at 319 for hours.

The reason I say this is cause this thread has become extremely boring recently and will continue to get worse unless there is something to talk about. A sov-transfer isn't news worthy. (Stop being boring u fucks Lol)

Personally I feel bad for whoever has to grind sov, just my opinion.

I cant speak for everyone, but as far as I can tell,.. there aren't any hard feelings on nulli's side. We'd just like some even fights.

[Themick]

Personally I feel bad for whoever has to grind sov, just my opinion.

I swear it's as if you did not read the last ten or so pages.

[tgr]

Personally I feel bad for whoever has to grind sov, just my opinion.

Implying there's a grind to it.

[dabigredboat [banned]]

A NEW DAY, A NEW FLEET LED BY MAKALU TO KILL.

I like these ops, lose 200 drakes, have 250 x'ing up ready to die within min. We go through drakes like we used to go through rifters. Its too bad rifters are broken and overpowered so much that makalu cannot kill them though.

[Themick]

Implying there's a grind to it.

I started learning a whole new array of emotes because of this thread.

[Lorren Canada]

And they lost Ankou + bleeding members in general.

More importantly they lost x13

And Endstation now too. I kinda assumed they'd go back to Ev0ke but En Garde?

Speaking of Ev0ke where's prippa these days?

[tgr]

I started learning a whole new array of emotes because of this thread.

By all means, use them. It's what they're there for.

[Space cadet]

Two things:

It's not a sov "grind" in the terms you define it. These guys, when I asked earlier, said that since Soco doesn't threaten the HB-CFC supers, they are flipping everything in the systems they attack super damn quick. There are no station shoots that last for 2-3 hours on one target. They are taking that amount of time to clear multiple targets.

So there goes that argument.

Next....set piece battle? What? Do you realize, the more Soco doesn't attack in a "set piece battle," the less likely they will have an opportunity to do so on their terms. At this rate, if you don't pick your spot and give it a go, Soco is gonna be pushed back to hell and gone.


A dent needs to be made on the super force that is being used against Soco. I have heard and read about how both sides have pretty good super numbers....welp fuck, CFC-HB are using theirs with no fear of reprisal. Soco, sack up and correct their thinking, or lose.

Im sorry I have to disagree.
ATM the attackers blood is up, and every tom dick and harry from the CFC and god knows who else is down there looking for a turkey shoot.
The longer the offensive goes the more the interest will drop off.
I dont care how many stations and Ihubs you can kill or capture in a single night.
If its one a night, or ten a night the leet warriors of eve do not have alot of stomach for shooting structures, numbers, will drop and eventuly a chance will present its self to the defenders.

I think both -A- and SN2 and their allies are prepared for the fact they will lose all their space. We already know that -A- lost all its space before.

If your here for Sov and nothing else.
Why all the whining and bitching like little pussies about people runing away and not unocking to face your northern nap fest?
Page after page of crying about how shit your openents are.
If all you want is Sov why not STFU and get on with it?

[Don Peyote]

By all means, use them. It's what they're there for.

Speaking of which, I need people to tell me which emotes they want adding to Kugu. I'll probably set up a thread for it if there's enough interest, but right now, I've had like 10 people say they want more emotes scattered over a few months

People of Kugutsumen, who would be interested in having more emotes? :allears:

[Ron Mexxico]

So when CFC alliances deploy together they're horrible blobbers with no skill and no courage to fight alone, and when they're deployed on their own they are somebodies' bitch. Huuh, must suck to be in the CFC - sure glad I'm a Honeybadger now

dude wot? ur dum

[Rezorek]

Because people like you keep making these delicious posts in broken english to pick apart.

:haw:

[tgr]

Im sorry I have to disagree.

You do that. We'll have a chat in a few weeks and see if you have the same idea then.

I dont care how many stations and Ihubs you can kill or capture in a single night.
If its one a night, or ten a night the leet warriors of eve do not have alot of stomach for shooting structures, numbers

Counterpoint: dbrb

will drop and eventuly a chance will present its self to the defenders.

Implying there's going to be any resistence which doesn't come with its own band playing yakkity sax in the background until SoCo toss out Makalu "yipe yipe yipe yipe" Zarya.

Page after page of crying

That word. I don't think it means what you think it does.

[tgr]

:allears:

:haw:
:stare:
:staredog:
:catstare:
:yipeyipeyipeyipe: (this should be an animation of makalu's t3 running away from rifters)

[Don Peyote]

:haw:
:stare:
:staredog:
:catstare:
:yipeyipeyipeyipe: (this should be an animation of makalu's t3 running away from rifters)

All those variants on :stare: without :frogstare:, that's shameful

Besides, I didn't mean post them here and derail the thread just express interest in more and I'll look into how many people want them and then go cap in hand to Vinata and big him to put them in

[tgr]

All those variants on :stare: without :frogstare:, that's shameful

Sowwy.

And you would've thought I would've gotten the frogstare down, given, well...
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[Yoji]

Speaking of which, I need people to tell me which emotes they want adding to Kugu. I'll probably set up a thread for it if there's enough interest, but right now, I've had like 10 people say they want more emotes scattered over a few months

People of Kugutsumen, who would be interested in having more emotes? :allears:

I want an emote that says "Why you dont undock, we want you to undock" and one that says "whe dont care what you want"
and then one set with "use supers"/"fight"/"backstab -A-"/"defend timers"/"defend sov" instead of the word 'undock'.

We than can have this whole tread just by spamming smilyes

[Headblast]

I want a :fightusmaybe?: emote featuring Holly. It would be glorious!

[Richter Belmont]

My usual reaction to SoCo posters posting is :frogcawg:

[Rezorek]

:smithfrog: make it happen

[Tappits]

So tomorrow Progod or Guderian goes to Herculetz and says "yo, we're running this war; Gorga is my Supreme Commander, Southwestern Theatre of Operations and you will take all marching orders from him." Herc responds "lol, who the fuck do you think you guys are?"...and that's the end of that. It's not simply a matter of fealty or nostalgia; it's the basic fact that at bottom, -A- only listens to -A-, and there's no way S2N can win this war without -A-'s help.

And thats the problem, Its got nothing to do with people going with the flow and thinking -A- Must be the top dogs.. its the fact that no one has ever Said "No" to -A-
If at one of the 20 times -A- has lost all its shit for been bad and then asked people to help and those people insted of saying "Yes" said "You can have" then the roles are reversed.
No one likes -A- if when -A- gave away S2N's delve space to RED S2N could of called any of 1000 allaince that don't like -A- and just told them to stick there shit up there ass its our space were the overlords go dock up somewere cock fags.... non of this shit would be happoning now.

Just Say NO!
Also, Fuck -A-

[Some Market Dude]

-A- have taken this retreat to stain strategy a little far. I think it's great that they're able to weather losses like that, but when your reaction within two days of the start of an offensive is to run away and hide for six months and hope you can take your space back later, you have some serious problems.

As far as the Nulli business goes, I'm pretty sure either proto-bloc of Solar or NCDAWT would happily take them in and make them real junior partners. Nulli has been held back for almost a year now by being just another meatshield pet on -A-'s roster, and this campaign has really shown what little good it is doing them. Go somewhere where you'll actually get a chance to grow and become a player in your own right because sitting in -A-'s shadow is obviously not doing you any good.

[Yoji]

. its the fact that no one has ever Said "No" to -A-

Eeeeeeeeh.......................... No

Rememebr SE and Coven? They said "No" and -A- said; "thats a shame but ok".

So did Cascade, Borg, IT and Atlas at one time. If you dont want to hang out with -A- they seem to be pritty fine with it. SE roams -A- space, -A- roams SE space. Everyone happy. Not like the CFC where if your not blue, you get evicted and replaced by a blue.

because sitting in -A-'s shadow is obviously not doing you any good.

And still you need 3times the numbers to fight them when they join forces.

[LazTel]

Hey Soco, for 1bil per fight i will come FC for you.

Edit: Because god knows Makalu doesnt know how to FC

[Space cadet]

If the guy actually ~knew~ the history he spoke of he would know that the vietcong/nva didn't just run and hide, they actually went on the attack, caused strategic losses to the enemy and did take ground. Sure they got beat back and used the Maoist method of bending but not breaking, but they didn't give up and accept defeat.

Oi, learn ya'll some.

I know my history inside out. To the point of having visited many of the battle sites in Vietnam myself.
You may of missed the bit of my post about inflicting losses where you can but avoiding the set peice battles the enemy seeks.

If you know your history you will know

The tet offensive while achieving much propaganda success almost wiped out the VC after they tried in vein to duke it out with the US army in the city of Hue. (One of places I have visited) the VC never really recovered from that and had to rely more and more on NVA support after that point

Khe sanh another place I visited.
You will know the Americans copied the french idea of a Dien ben phu type battle.
This time backed by B-52s along with a multitude of other aircraft and artilery support they destroyed so many of the attackers historians are still arguing over the number of NVA casulties.


So my point is
When an attacker has overwhelming odds its in his interest to seek a descisive battle and the defenders will be stupid to play into their hands.

[tgr]

Eeeeeeeeh.......................... No

Rememebr SE and Coven? They said "No" and -A- said; "thats a shame but ok".

So did Cascade, Borg, IT and Atlas at one time. If you dont want to hang out with -A- they seem to be pritty fine with it. SE roams -A- space, -A- roams SE space. Everyone happy. Not like the CFC where if your not blue, you get evicted and replaced by a blue.

Which side has the most tenacious coalition? Did we just hide in Venal when DRF, PL, NCdot, IRC, Ev0ke, Raiden. etc etc etc etc came for our space? No? Oh well.

And still you need 3times the numbers to fight them when they join forces.

Bullshit.

[Yoji]

But what i dont get is; with all the hatred against -A- in this forum, why is CFC attacking delve and not catch ? What did little old s2n ever do to you then give you gf with even ods??

[Yoji]

Which side has the most tenacious coalition? Did we just hide in Venal when DRF, PL, NCdot, IRC, Ev0ke, Raiden. etc etc etc etc came for our space? No? Oh well.

Eeeh werent you given your space by the french(TFC) after they went "ah fuck it we quit"

Bullshit.

CFC = around 32K members (without renters)
SoCo = around 13K members (without renters)

ok you got me there, its actually 2,46 times the numbers not 3.

[BiggerDangDude]

Glad I stayed up all day yesterday and today to get blue balled. Thanks -A-. You fucking shitlord haven.

[Hilmar Keller]

But what i dont get is; with all the hatred against -A- in this forum, why is CFC attacking delve and not catch ? What did little old s2n ever do to you then give you gf with even ods??

-A- deployed to C3N.

You are literally retarded.

[Lorren Canada]

....and -A- just stood down

[Some Market Dude]

Bullshit.

More than that, anyone showing up with 800 people while talking about blobbing and skill is beyond farce. If you're losing to a bigger blob at that point, you're just worse at blobbing, not brave spartan elite pvp warriors.

I said 20 pages ago that -A- and co, but especially -A-, would be well-served by dropping the ridiculous pretense of any notable pound for pound superiority, and instead fully embracing their true blobbing nature. I guess then, though, it would be a lot harder to hide in station without the deluded sop of being "elite".

[Yoji]

-A- deployed to C3N.

You are literally retarded.

So if -A- leaves C3N you will invade catch and leave delve alone ? We can arrange that for you.

Glad I stayed up all day yesterday and today to get blue balled. Thanks -A-. You fucking shitlord haven.

We are happy we fucked up your 4th of july holliday. Nice to see CFC thinks spaceships > RL. Cudos for your dedication

More than that, anyone showing up with 800 people while talking about blobbing and skill is beyond farce. If you're losing to a bigger blob at that point, you're just worse at blobbing, not brave spartan elite pvp warriors.

I agree completly that people should stop crying about blobs (-A- also) If they dont like to fight the blob, they should simple not undock or stick to using bombers. However, numbers are numbers and the one is indeed bigger then the other one.

[Endie]

A bit of genuine respect, a bit of propaganda to try and force a schism between nulli and -a- to weaken the soco.

The absolute last thing I want is for S2N to back out now. Partly because actions should have consequences, and partly because without S2N there is zero chance of Against All Undocking putting up a fight.

But I think that S2N emerging intact from this is extremely likely, and I'd rather enjoy having them somewhere nearby like Catch in the long run.

[Hilmar Keller]

Words

You're making an analogy between a combined arms conflict in dynamic terrain and a rather static conflict with predictable unit placement and nowhere to hide.

Delve is not 'Nam. There are rules.