Regarding This Forum and Moderation

[T7aKubru]

delegate

just let a couple of people who aren't retards mark posts that contain content(battlereports, valid arguments, porn, etc) and then let all the regular readers click on the checkbox that says "only view posts marked as good" in the control panel

ie slashdot / reddit / hacker news except people can't game the system because the admins/mods choose the people who vote for stuff and if they start marking shit posts as good posts demote them

this way the mods/admins only have to manage a group of people instead of reading lots of shitty posts

[Helios Black]

Is this why you infracted me for contentless posting in a thread full of contentless posting?

[smg77]

Thinkering about the EN24 forums, i came up with the idea of limiting to "X" amount of post per week/months as a way to limit smut / trolling, maybe you should consider this.

This is such a horrible idea and I hope nobody at kugu is considering it. Riverini, just based on your posts in this thread your rep is well-deserved.

[RansomList]

Is this why you infracted me for contentless posting in a thread full of contentless posting?

Was it ONLY you that got brutalized poppet?

[Vinata]

Was it ONLY you that got brutalized poppet?

No, I hit a bunch of people in that thread.

I'm gonna address most of the posts in this thread, although I'll skip over the ones that seem redundant.

[Deniera]

I tend to jump into kugu for a bit, then leave it for long periods of time. Not actually because of any events ingame, but because it takes alot of energy to post constructively here, and it's difficult to follow threads properly. (It's by no means unreadable)

I also post on another heavily moderated forum (non-eve) and you know what I'm cool with that too. Personally it won't effect my stay here.

I believe one of the problems(obstacles maybe) you do have is that threads that are all Versus threads. On some gaming forums, versus threads are just removed as trash - here the point is the versus thread. So there is going to be conflict, there is going to be trolling, there is going to be butthurt. Moderation won't remove that.

Ive also seen this as the difference between the uncensored section and the SDF. SDF is for discussion in a general way about eve, theorycraft etc. Uncensored is for the conflict threads. I guess I had the wrong impression =P

That's my opinion at least - I've never run a forum.

So just for my noobness... is there a thread somewhere that explains these infractions... because I seriously have no idea what you guys are on about.

[riverini [banned]]

delegate

just let a couple of people who aren't retards mark posts that contain content(battlereports, valid arguments, porn, etc) and then let all the regular readers click on the checkbox that says "only view posts marked as good" in the control panel

ie slashdot / reddit / hacker news except people can't game the system because the admins/mods choose the people who vote for stuff and if they start marking shit posts as good posts demote them

this way the mods/admins only have to manage a group of people instead of reading lots of shitty posts

This is a solution.
+1

[Murr]

delegate

just let a couple of people who aren't retards mark posts that contain content(battlereports, valid arguments, porn, etc) and then let all the regular readers click on the checkbox that says "only view posts marked as good" in the control panel

ie slashdot / reddit / hacker news except people can't game the system because the admins/mods choose the people who vote for stuff and if they start marking shit posts as good posts demote them

this way the mods/admins only have to manage a group of people instead of reading lots of shitty posts

That would need Ander. You apparently never ask for something that needs Ander to be implemented.

But yeah, we are already considering that.

[Vinata]

Thank you for your work.

I've run gaming communities in the past. In order to keep forum nazi's happy, we laid out some very basic and easy rules to follow which allowed freedom to talk about anything you wanted to, but allowed for good flow of information.

Pretty much everything you described is more structured and strict than I'm willing to get.

To be honest, the impression I've gotten is Uncensored is lax but have the "chill"-infractions while SDF you have to be ontopic. Which is why I stay out of SDF

Go SHC-retardmod on SDF if you feel you must, feel free to infract all the 0day posters firstposting with "UMAD?!" so they'll learn, and the chill-infraction. I do like the chill-infraction.

I am very content with SDF, as the name seems to tell people how to behave. I have had no problems with it, spambots aside.

The chill infraction will definitely stick around.

No in all honesty I know that technically it was a breach of the rules but here's the thing - many people (not just me) probably just hit the New Posts link and don't really pay all that much attention to which forum the thread resides in

I once got an admin at another site de-admined because he did that and flipped out and banned me for calling him some bad names in a sub-section where it was clearly stated I could do that. He became an admin again after he explained what had happened (basically what happened to you) but it was pretty funny. True story.

My actual response to this is that you probably should at least check to see what forum a post is in, at least to be on the safe side.

I come here because it's not SHC. I've tried (and for the most part succeeded) in not being too retarded largely because I don't feel the need here to make any particular faction happy. It's that ability to post what I want (and in return be called a retard) without being gagged that has drawn me in.

I hope this doesn't lead down a slippery slope. I just created a Manfred Hideous toon not a half hour ago. LOL

I have no desire to gag anyone, or to prevent anyone from participating in discussion. The biggest complaints are about the quality of posting (and there's no fair way to moderate that, so I'm not going to bother) and the amount of spam which doesn't add to the conversation in any way. "u mad? heh." sort of stuff.

My only concern with moderation would be, in order to keep the forums flowing for everyone regardless of affiliation, that the moderation be limited to the maximum extent possible to forum-related violations (truly shitty posts, enormous image spam, getting over the line personal etc) and explicitly forbid content-related mod action (i.e. nuking or changing stuff the mod feels disparages their alliance or in-game persona.)

I'm more than willing to demod anyone who abuses their mod powers or status, and that would include nuking posts that mock Pandemic Legion (which every mod but Yorda, Pripyat and myself belong to)

You can always have a Shitty Meme list or something stating all the crap that will get you infracted to remove any vagueness (even Goonfleet.com has one of these, although it's essentially unused.)

That's an idea I hadn't considered, thank you.

These forums were much more readable a year or so ago (before I regged this account mind you). I'm generally in favour of somewhat harsh moderation. After a period of hard work it drives away the trolls and there's not that much actual moderation to be done.

I don't really give a shit about the trolls (and I kind of like them) so the aim of any new moderating would not be to remove trolls. In one of Mittani's TTH articles, he complimented this place based on how hot the flames here burn, and that's not a compliment I want to render invalid. To me it is necessary that the site remains a haven for heated discussion, so long as that heated discussion isn't just two sides completely ignoring what the other has to say.

I've never really understood why people are so anal about staying on topic. Conversations can meander about, and no topic is a totally isolated thing. Sure, A leads to B that can in turn lead to MOTHERFUCKER but that's discussion for you. If any news happen that pertain to the OP in a thread, that usually takes it back on topic.

Ya I pretty much came here to say this. Sure threads go off topic when nothing is going down but when alliance x is losing a titan/system/massive fleet fight the thread completely forgets it was off topic for the last 8 pages. So what if rehashing an entire thread is a nightmare, if it was that important to you in the first place you shoulda been following it closer.

I'm fine with the way the moderators currently handle off-topic posts in EOU and have no desire to change it. I understand that the topics change over time, especially when they're as open as "The Delve Thread" or "TEST".

I agree with the need for more moderation. I've lurked here for a while, and finally made an account because I wanted to participate in the discussions. I have seen an upsurge in retarded shit lately. As long as the mods use there powers for good there is no real issue here. And if one doesn't.... there are plenty of other mods to complain to.

The retarded shit is what I'm mostly concerned with. I appreciate that you realize that you can turn to the mod staff here with any complaints you have. I hope everyone realizes that you can pretty much 'appeal' anything directly to myself or Xutech if there's an issue.

This could, of course, be solved through having the serious campaign and nullsec discussions in the serious discussion sub-forum instead of the uncensored. For F5’ing reasons at work I’d rather not tough – besides it makes things less accessible, and those kinds of formalised hierarchies are usually not the best of ideas. In my opinion the balance can only be gained if the non-pubbies get that this is not their internal forums and the we pubbies accept a certain amount of shit posting because without it we won’t get the gems.

I'm not going to force people into discussing certain things in EOU and certain things in SDF. The only thing I'll do is make people in SDF discuss things semi-seriously. If people want to have serious conversation about major campaigns, and don't like the direction the EOU threads are going, they are free to make one in SDF.

I'm also not going to make any decision based upon anything which involves the word 'pubbies'. Pubbies are traditionally everyone who is not in your guild/alliance/supergroup/clan/whatever. If we're really going to use that word around here, a pubby would be anyone who doesn't post on k.com, and we can probably think of a better word for them than pubby.

It's eve. Relax and realize you are playing a fucking game. It's not brain surgery, it's not life and death. Lighten up a little bit and I just hope this doesn't turn into a selective club of assholes that sit and stew in their own bitterness of shit.

Edit:
I just thought of this. You say that more and more people are pm'ing you about the need for moderation on EOU. But you also mention how numbers have increased in participation and sign ups. Do the PMs outnumber the people that come to this to enjoy the forum as is? I would think you are pandering to a certain crowd of people and aren't taking into consideration those who aren't bitching and moaning, which I can only believe is the vast majority. Or are you unhappy with the forum?

As long as I am in charge, I will do my best to make sure this place doesn't become a selective club of assholes that sit and stew in their own bitterness of shit. I am not Alex Clomsaver, and I do not enjoy being a bitter person or being surrounded by them.

I am getting less PMs than people registering, but I respect about a quarter of the people who are sending me the PMs. The other 3/4th are people who want extremely strict moderation. I am personally unhappy with some parts of the forum (the Providence and Catch threads are horrible and I honestly can't read more than 20 posts without just zoning out) but I am not making my decision based entirely upon that.

I think things are solid moderation-wise. Shitposters will be marked as so through the rep system and threads don't explode at an exponential rate.

The rep system isn't the greatest, as it can easily be exploited (like Alex Clomsaver and Torshin did) or it could cause various circlejerks to +rep within themselves (like Sigma and Epsilon) in order to avoid negative rep. Also I have no way to alter it without directly bugging Mulla, and he's usually busy doing lines off of a supermodel's tits in Paris.

Make people pay ten dollars to register.

If any of that money went to me, I'd do this in a heartbeat. Or charge 250m isk.

As a noted sperglord and veteran of the EJ forums I think *a little* more moderation might help. Specifically, I've noticed a difference between two different kinds of trolling, one "good" and one "bad" and it would be nice if the bad kind got banhammered or went away.

I'm not going to mod or ban based upon something as subjective as "good troll" versus "bad troll".

EDIT: Also, expect more trolling and poking of mods with sticks. Its not personal.

Nah, I know what its like to poke fun of admins who take themselves too seriously. Fun as hell.

Less trolling and general faggoting, more porn and 0.0 updates.

The porn well has dried up for various reasons, and I'd like to see it flow freely again. Because Mulla is no longer as involved as he used to be, we're not going to see many outright hacks of forums. We've relied mainly on freelancers who want to be posting superstars and forum pornstars. When not much is happening (although there usually is something) we tend to get less porn than when there's a lot of stuff happening. And when there is a lot of stuff happening in an alliance like IT (which actually tracked down how JimFromIT was because he posted here when he wasn't supposed to) things get more difficulte. We have to rely upon various alliances' spy agencies and the hope they'll leak something. Goonswarm hasn't released much since Delve II ended, and PL only releases things when it looks favorably upon them.

I'm just saying there's a difference between bad trolling which still has content and out-and-out shitposting mixed with memes and trollface retardation.

Ok, this is a better way of explaining what you were trying to say, and I agree with it.

Lets apply the trickle down analogy to the health of the site, where forum porn is the thing leaking through successive layers of privilege to the masses. If Mods are going on a grand crusade to retake the Holy Land i hope there will be something to show for it beyond whatever vision they have for the site post mod apocalypse.

Hint: More porn, more leaks, more mirrors. No more not being arsed about a mirror because it doesnt look very interesting to you, just throw it to the unwashed hordes- it cant hurt and maybe some people will find things of interest, if only to them and not a wider clique.

Mulla and Viper are the only people I know on the mod team who know how to mirror sites. Mulla has real life distractions, and Viper is lazy as hell. I'm trying to get Mulla to give me more information with regards to how to mirror things, but even then I'd need to host them somewhere and that's another problem.

People hurf durfing only breeds more conflict which makes more content in the game. If you get offended or mad by reading words on a forum about a internet game you need to chill the fuck out. Modding shit up to prevent angry hurt feelings or to stop poast with no content is just as dumb. You can literally not read a poast thats like the best solution. All sides of Eve have people on this forum now and that cannot be undone. Gone are the days of the PL Goon majority on this forum. Variety of people variety of opinions. Shit ive been called every name in the book on this forum. Who cares its a game we hurf blurf some are better at it some are worse. Don't nazi shit up because someones tampon gets in a twist.


If you try to Nazi this forum it will just kill it.

Wow, that's a lot of bullshit with absolutely no basis in what I posted. I don't even know which part of this to address, because I don't know where any of it comes from.

Maybe that's true now but a fairly thriving War & Politics forum was killed by nazi moderation and the occasional rage deletion because Calmdown was too autistic to cope with people arguing

No Mods, No Masters

If I wasn't ok with people arguing, I would not have made this thread.

and then there's some bickering about relatively pointless shit

and then we have

insanity

I'm not going to limit the amount of posts per day, or put a lower floor on how long a post should be as that's preposterous. People negrep you because your posts are horrible and most people find you obnoxious. I mean, I appreciate your compliments and all, but all of your ideas are bad for this forum. I hope they work better on EN24's forums.

Doesn't this happen already?

Not in EOU, where it isn't against the rules. When I say "we're thinking of increasing moderation" I basically mean I'm thinking of allowing the mods to infract for that type of post.

You are just defending the antithesis of the op, good luck with that.

R

No, MpozoY is pretty spot on.

And then there's some more stuff addressing Riverini's posts, but onto page 2 of the thread (next post)

[Vinata]

delegate

just let a couple of people who aren't retards mark posts that contain content(battlereports, valid arguments, porn, etc) and then let all the regular readers click on the checkbox that says "only view posts marked as good" in the control panel

ie slashdot / reddit / hacker news except people can't game the system because the admins/mods choose the people who vote for stuff and if they start marking shit posts as good posts demote them

this way the mods/admins only have to manage a group of people instead of reading lots of shitty posts

One suggested idea was to switch to a type of rep where posts got rep instead of people, and any post with a low enough rep would be obscured from view. That requires actual modification to the forum code though.

So just for my noobness... is there a thread somewhere that explains these infractions... because I seriously have no idea what you guys are on about.

I'll write a blog or article about infractions and how they work. I've been meaning to do that for months.

That would need Ander. You apparently never ask for something that needs Ander to be implemented.

Ander is literally Mussolini.

[Viper ShizzIe]

Mulla and Viper are the only people I know on the mod team who know how to mirror sites. Mulla has real life distractions, and Viper is lazy as hell. I'm trying to get Mulla to give me more information with regards to how to mirror things, but even then I'd need to host them somewhere and that's another problem.

I'm extremely busy with gradschool right now which explains my near-complete absence from posting any porn. Right now the problem isn't the capability of mirroring, it's the availability of forum accounts. If you want mirrors, feel free to PM me usernames and passwords for forums, I generally will work with you to protect your actual identity if you don't want it exposed via the mirror and you'll probably even get foreplay access out of it. That being said, if you want to copy and release threads anonymously, I can also do that for you, just PM it to me and I'll take a look.

e: also moderating in/with rep will never, ever, ever, ever work, it's something we've been over countless times internally and it's a completely invalid way of telling people that their aspie-esque trolling is unfunny, unoriginal and unaccepted

[Vinata]

Oh yeah: Modding with rep will never, ever work again. It worked when we had about 20 regulars and everyone cared about the quality of the posts being made. That is no longer the case. It won't work.

[Manny]

Oh yeah: Modding with rep will never, ever work again. It worked when we had about 20 regulars and everyone cared about the quality of the posts being made. That is no longer the case. It won't work.

Vinata all im saying is its a very slippery slope. I think its awesome that people can come fag poast here because usually they get there ass checked by everyone else. I can say this because It has been done to me. I use to rage on these forums alot. After I took the time to get to know some of the poasters and consider there POV it chilled me out not the infractions I was served.


Eve-Online is a big man soap-opera only we all get to be the actors. Having a place to come herp derp about said soap opera is awesome. So there is gonna be some assclowns that UMAD poast. The rep system basically shows credibility of poasters. Take a look at Elitiest that dude is in shit poaster hell for life for being a spergy faggot. Nobody takes anything he says seriously but nonetheless he add something to the board. If for nothing else it gives the rest of us something to point and laugh about.


Personally I have a blast on these forums and enjoy winding people up from time to time. Shadoo and I exchange shitpoast directed at eachother and its all in good fun. Some of the best fun is the rage shitpoasters inspire. Its fun to watch the witty replies people give after someone drops a pooper. These forums are a good time and what all forums should be like. Content is still king here and its reflected in how many neckbeards F5 this shit all day.


Embrace the chaos broham and lets continue pointing and laughing at eachother when we niggerpoast.

? Manny

[Carlton Banks]

I got an infraction for accidentally reporting a shitposter instead of negrepping him.


But then it was reversed.


Moderation has seemed well handled in my limited time here.

[Zenofmoo]

Lurker checking in.
I'm prob one of the last ones who should comment here, as you can see I'm fairly new.
From an Eve perspective I would probably be classified in the bittervet category. I subscribed to these forums because what I saw was different that any of the other Eve related forums. The was the typical shit slinging, however you had opposite sides of a conflict actually discussing the conflict, and not spewing the current party line from their particular angle.
I have had few posts wiped by mods, the whole noob getting his feet wet. So far I found the moderation to be fair, in hindsight.

I will of course add the obligatory, more moderation is a slippery doubled edged sword. You are ALWAYS going to have some that don't like more moderation, my statement to them is No moderation is anarchy. Vinata it sounds like you have a firm grasp of the direction and willing to smack down mods being over zealous as well as poasters being emoraging.

I currently have no stakes in any of the conflicts nor do I have any association with one power bloc or another. I do tend favor Goons and not favor IT (it's the bitter vet in me). I will be one of the first to PM mods if I think it getting to heavy handed, and you may tell me to bugger off.

[MpozoY]

I like to assume the Catch/Provi threads are such unreadable nonsense because of the multitude of non-English-native posters, who perhaps need a bit more guidance than straight moderation to get their posts above the gibberish level. Which would benefit us all, as many groups in Eve are non-English-native and the multitude of viewpoints adds to the conversation.

[Pripyat]

I'd say the most obnoxious shitposters are actually native english but vOv

[Malaclypse]

I'm more than willing to demod anyone who abuses their mod powers or status, and that would include nuking posts that mock Pandemic Legion (which every mod but Yorda, Pripyat and myself belong to)

Just for the record, Murr isn't in PL either.

[Archimandrite]

Where exactly are the forum rules located?

[Dirk Struan]

Where exactly are the forum rules located?

Here

[Viper ShizzIe]

Vinata all im saying is its a very slippery slope.

Oh look, an argument used by people who have no idea what they're talking about and are just trying to make a point :iiam:

[Berious]

Make riverini a mod

[Vinata]

Just for the record, Murr isn't in PL either.

I could have sworn he left the NC for PL, because we had a thread in the mod forums about it where I freaked out when I realized we only had 5 non-PL mods, and people were like "3 actually, xutech and murr are in PL"

[Viper ShizzIe]

Murr isn't in PL, Xutech has never logged into the game while in PL (or ever before that afaik)

[BobFromMarketing [banned]]

Hey Viper let's say someone repeatedly brings their RL issues and drama into a unwilling(sans one idiot) subforum and jabber usergroup of several hundred people repeatedly and is then subsequently trolled off that same website with that RL drama. Would that information be considered too private for kugu despite the fact there was absolutely no statement or understanding of privacy on that sort of thing?

[Vinata]

That's not even remotely similar to the situation at hand.

[Viper ShizzIe]

Hey Viper let's say someone repeatedly brings their RL issues and drama into a unwilling(sans one idiot) subforum and jabber usergroup of several hundred people repeatedly and is then subsequently trolled off that same website with that RL drama. Would that information be considered too private for kugu despite the fact there was absolutely no statement or understanding of privacy on that sort of thing?

http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...s-to-take-Lois...

Use this thread as the basis of your moral decisionmaking.

[Mr Coloredshirt]

To me it feels like an unwritten rule already, but how about the 0.0 Politics thread have more similar rules to SDF than EOU and people make an effort (lmao) to actually post content there. Maybe even make the front-page be all readable if there's more than one blog there so it looks all "readable" and what have you. Like categories. Basically look at the evenews24 layout, which is a pretty good one.

fakeedit I know this is a thread about moderation but the dumbification of my corp peeps caused by evenews24 is one of the few things I get all *angry* about nowadays. It's basically foxnews but with user generated lies.

fakeedit2: Oh and having some sort of block so you can't post when it's 4am local time would help my precious rep cache, is this doable?

[Viper ShizzIe]

evenews24 is unironically the biggest joke in the EVE community since CCP said that 2010 was going to be a "year of excellence"

[Tyrael]

I have not received an infraction yet for repeatedly harassing a female member of this forum?

[Night]

I'm sure if you really want one they'll provide it.

[Vinata]

To me it feels like an unwritten rule already, but how about the 0.0 Politics thread have more similar rules to SDF than EOU and people make an effort (lmao) to actually post content there. Maybe even make the front-page be all readable if there's more than one blog there so it looks all "readable" and what have you. Like categories. Basically look at the evenews24 layout, which is a pretty good one.

fakeedit I know this is a thread about moderation but the dumbification of my corp peeps caused by evenews24 is one of the few things I get all *angry* about nowadays. It's basically foxnews but with user generated lies.

fakeedit2: Oh and having some sort of block so you can't post when it's 4am local time would help my precious rep cache, is this doable?

There used to be a politics/0.0 discussion thread in SDF and it didn't work out. If you want the SDF equivalent of a thread, you'll have to make one yourself. If something is in the EOU forum or its subforums, it gets the EOU rules.

And I couldn't implement such a "can't post during these hours" feature even if I wanted to, as that would require Ander's help and Ander is literally Caiaphas.

[BobFromMarketing [banned]]

http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...s-to-take-Lois...

Use this thread as the basis of your moral decisionmaking.

Cool, then i'd appreciate a reversing of my infraction because Vinata got his dirty e-laundry aired hurting his wittle feelings

[Vinata]

The rules are to not post any private information about k.com staff members, which Seleene isn't. But if you think it is unfair I infracted you for breaking a rule, you can take it up with Xutech (who, as an admin, is actually allowed to reverse one of my infractions while Viper isn't)

[BobFromMarketing [banned]]

Information hasnt been private for years. Doing this.

[Viper ShizzIe]

The rules are to not post any private information about k.com staff members, which Seleene isn't. But if you think it is unfair I infracted you for breaking a rule, you can take it up with Xutech (who, as an admin, is actually allowed to reverse one of my infractions while Viper isn't)

Unlike Xutech I have the distinct privilege of actually being useful, though.

[RansomList]

Information hasnt been private for years. Doing this.

Personal information in the public domain is still personal information, or was when i was last infracted for that anyway. It's fair enough really, not posting personal shit here about mods/admin isn't much to ask.

If someone says they have no issue with specific personal stuff being posted (sup Phreeze you legend) obviously that doesn't apply- they have given you permission to do so in that specific medium of discussion, in this case, the forum of K.com and it is a complete non-issue. Of course they could nuke the thread at a later date if they wanted to.

At the end of the day, if you personally would feel victimized beyond that which you feel is acceptable trolling or with regard to real life personal matters, by what YOU are doing to someone odds are you shouldn't be doing it. Its also seems like something that has potential legal issues and fuck lawyers, especially handsome ones.

'Dont be a dick' or 'do unto others...'? I dont know man, that sounds preachy and rather uninteresting, but i think everyone knows when their troll has gone too far.

How about 'dont be a complete asshole'?

Calling The Mittani a prancing metrosexual manchild, ripping on PL for oh so many reasons, Viper being a Jonah, ripping on Securitas' frequently attention whoring avatars, Aoki sensei worrying points of view, Vinata being a man magnet for creepers and commenting on the rich approaching-middle-age tapestry that is Kugu's recent publicized personal life (sorry if i missed any of you out) sounds all well and good and i doubt I'd get mod stomped unless anything really unacceptable was said, or was said in the wrong place.

So yeah, more moderation= Mods being inevitably trolled more and infractions and stuff can only really ever be handed out on a case by case basis when it comes to the above.

So, Vinata mad about personal stuff being posted here ~ fine. Just because its posted somewhere else by him doesn't mean you have any fundamental right to reproduce it here. You have the whole internet to splash it over and only one place where you've been asked not to. Sounds reasonable enough yes?

[BobFromMarketing [banned]]

Nope

[captainktainer]

I have not received an infraction yet for repeatedly harassing a female member of this forum?

There's a difference between "harassment" and "oh, look, the dog shat on the carpet again; throw a shoe at it."

Moving more closely into the topic, my personal preference would be to remove, as a group, people's ability to see who has added rep to them. From there, make +rep and -rep equal, and then allow people to hide (or turn into a clickable link) posts made by people with neutral rep or red rep.

But, then, that would require Ander to do a little coding, and Ander's fascist tendencies have already been well-explained by Vinata.

[Viper ShizzIe]

split off EN24 discussion

[Doddy]

I am an 11, so my views hardly count but I can honestly say you guys (ironically) have had the best eve forum on the web in all the time i have lurked here (And i say that as someone who has been on the GBC/IT side of 0.0 politics for the entirety of this sites existence) and you really want to be careful before changing a winning formula. Changing the way forums are moderated can rapidly lead to their death. If you make changes you should be capable of admiting if things go wrong and reverting to the way things were previously. Remember, crapheap was half decent once, sorta.

[Mr Coloredshirt]

There used to be a politics/0.0 discussion thread in SDF and it didn't work out. If you want the SDF equivalent of a thread, you'll have to make one yourself. If something is in the EOU forum or its subforums, it gets the EOU rules.

And I couldn't implement such a "can't post during these hours" feature even if I wanted to, as that would require Ander's help and Ander is literally Caiaphas.

Oh god no I'm not saying all the rules of SDF should apply, just a bit harder rules so it's easier to read.

[Vinata]

Here's a blog post about infractions!

[Dirk Struan]

Since I tried to make a point akin to that of Mr. Coloredshirt before, I’ll give it one more go. The last one may have been somewhat unfortunately formulated, and some stuff got lost in my usage of the pubbies/non-pubbies terminology.

When this thread came up I didn’t really see any need for more moderation. Reading what have been posted in a few other threads afterwards (especially the CMS 3/3 thread) I have changed my mind. Though not because of something directed at me.

In my opinion moderation should be done relative to the forum sections as Vinata have held. Much like Mr Coloredshirt I in addition think that some discrepancy within the section between different threads is not uncalled for. To do it by example. Had a member of OWN posted something in the UN flotilla thread while that was going strong I would expect it to be flamed and trolled to Kingdome come. Had he posted the same member outlook in the 0.0 politics thread I would have expected comments, but not at the same level of inflammation and trolling. (Had I been able to and wanted to serious troll it I’d have quoted it in the flotilla thread and done so there.) In the same way I’d argue that the 3/3 CMS thread has taken the turn of a more serious discussion. Even though its still in the Uncensored section that doesn’t necessarily mean that the posting freedom need to be the exact same as any other thread in that section of the forums, though still governed by the same general rules.

I am not by this advocating that one wipe the distinction between uncensored and the serious sub-forums. Stealing from RansomList I think “don’t be a complete asshole” is a good standard. But what amounts to being a complete asshole is in my view relative primarily to what section of the forums you are posting in, but not totally unaffected by also the gist of the thread you are posting in within that section. Moderation is always going to be a judgement call, set the level of when high enough and I don’t think this poses uncertainty issues or muddles the water. And I think this kind of moderation is a better idea than turdhousing an otherwise valuable thread because of some posts, as was threatened done, and now apparently done, with the CMS 3/3 thread.

[Vinata]

I'll have to digest that post and its points before I can give a proper response to it. Probably the best post in this thread so far.

[Space Conquistador]

While you're waiting, explain to me what gives you the impression we "nazi this forum up" and are doing heavy-handed moderation.

Really bro? How many times have you banned me? Truth is - you don't like my politics. But if you want to attract more of eve to this site then just PL supporters you are gonna hear things you don't like. You will hear more and more spin, propoganda, lies, subtle deceit and flat out shit posting to counter other shit posting.

Posting is half the battle these days and nary an alliance/coalition can afford to relinquish control of the means of propoganda and counter propoganda and hope to be successful in game. Perception trumps reality. You risk the livelihood of what has turned into the best eve related site going by going nazi all of a sudden. Very risky.

[Vinata]

While I agree with you Conquistador, I'd just like to point out that Pripyat is not in PL and not a fan of PL.

[Pripyat]

Really bro? How many times have you banned me? Truth is - you don't like my politics.

As a player, i don't give a fuck about you or your alliance. I'm the only mod here who is neither in PL nor in any powerblock.
As a Mod, i would have permabanned at least one week ago together with posting-gods like Elitist. Of your 180 posts, not a single one is content or value or at least funny. You post nothing but bitter shit, hateful bile and unoriginal personal attacks. The faggie-nominations and your rep-count show nobody would miss your lame attempts of trolling.

But i don't make the rules here, i just abide to them. And until Vinata finally stops whining, grows a pair, figures the fuck out what he wants and just.fucking.post.the.rules i'll do my best of keeping the forum barely readable between deleting spambots, because ander is a lazy asshole.

[Berious]

I, for one, enjoy reading Space Conquistador's bitter shit, hateful bile and unoriginal personal attacks.

[Space Conquistador]

While I agree with you Conquistador, I'd just like to point out that Pripyat is not in PL and not a fan of PL.

I have never directly associated Pripyat with PL. He has at least 1 char in Evoke - I am rather interested in his eve identity only to trace his hate. Truth is - he has vehemently attacked every aspect of the Stain block alliances for as long as I can remember reading the board. He is 100% against anything associated with "my people". Fair enough. No problem. Just dont abuse mod powers when I come here and start calling out faggots and truthposting.