World of Tanks

[Ripline]

The T20 and T23 mediums seem to have pretty decent weapons at least, that 90mm stings a bit already. And got my panther fully upgraded finally, with rammer/stabilizer/vents. Makes for pretty impressive accuracy and rate of fire,combined with the hps you can take out an IS one on one head on if you have to. The biggest downside by far is the repair costs, looks like 0 to 100% is 16000 credits, it adds up fast if you die during a fight.

On the Pz4: Using rammer, vents and camo on mine. It does have a surprisingly high amount of firepower if you know your maps and can get to good locations, the thing really prints money once you get used to it.

[RansomList]

Going for yank t7-8 heavy after the soft reset. On paper its not a horrible match for tiger/IS and nice breakpoint with the stepup from 90mm

[John Smith]

When did they lower experience gained?

[RansomList]

When they added yanks.

I think its a pure money grubbing decision to force people to buy premium to avoid game breaking grind on release.

[John Smith]

When they added yanks.

I think its a pure money grubbing decision to force people to buy premium to avoid game breaking grind on release.

Yea most likely. Although i doubt i will play this game much when released, burnt out on it a while ago and only play it occasionally now. So once it was released i'd never get above maybe a tier 3-4 and fuck that shit.

[RansomList]

So once it was released i'd never get above maybe a tier 3-4 and fuck that shit.

+1

Its a shame really, being free to play means they have to bump features into premium only and that fucks with the gameplay and design. I'll be very surprised in the clan/territorial/sov combat stuff isn't premium only like Global Agenda; another game i played for a bit then burnt out on when the grind got unbearable and the gameplay had got stale unless you had a premium account/sub.

[Ripline]

Devs do the damnedest things, eh. Why, you'd think they actually want people to pay for their game.
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[RansomList]

I don't like this free to play bullshit supported by microtransactions and pay to win crap where you get two tiered games.

[Ripline]

Yeah, it's bad for balance. But the devs' motivation is understandable enough, they're trying to make a living.

[Hratli Smirks]

The 105mm on the T29 etc will rox your sox

[Jacabon Mere]

Yeah, it's bad for balance. But the devs' motivation is understandable enough, they're trying to make a living.

so just make it pay to play and get over it. But obviously they realise they wouldn't get enough people paying unless it was like $5 a month at very max.

[Yorda]

so just make it pay to play and get over it. But obviously they realise they wouldn't get enough people paying unless it was like $5 a month at very max.

It's actually much smarter than that. They make it free to play to draw in people to play the game. Unlike most monthly subscription games, there is no barrier of entry. Then you offer a few things to make life easier that almost anyone who could afford it would want and you hook them onto paying for micro things. Again, unlike wow you have eliminated the entry fee (which is a small amount of the revenue for large monthly fee based games) but at the same time increased the amount you can earn per month from people. Similarly, people who play more will usually pay for more and with increasing costs you will see a more direct increase in revenue.

I definitely see microtransactions as a much more viable alternative to monthly subscription games and am dying to see some good ones (like firefall) be released. As long as they don't fall into the trap of making people who pay have an unattainable advantage over people who don't pay (IE donor only armor or whatever) then I think it's a game that is much more attractive to both casual and hardcore gamers.

[thorthor]

Battlefield makes a lot more fun than this.

[Hratli Smirks]

I'd be perfectly content freeplaying my way to a T-34 (and I did do exactly that) and a T-34 is about all the fun I need

[Jacabon Mere]

As long as they don't fall into the trap of making people who pay have an unattainable advantage over people who don't pay (IE donor only armor or whatever) then I think it's a game that is much more attractive to both casual and hardcore gamers.

If there is no unattainable advantage with paying, the majority of players aren't going to pay. and all of the kiddy market is going to get sick of the grind and the fact they can't play their ferdinand without losing cash is going to reduce the current player base. I can see a downhill spiral with lower numbers meaning crappier balance, meaning lower numbers....and you can see where this is going.

I can't see me paying for it. I'll probably just casually play up to a teir 5 or so and not bother as teh grind after that would probably take months.

I guess it really depends on how much they charge for gold, but if it costs more than about $5 for a month for premium (which i believe they are planning on a month costing aroudn $15), then a lot of people aren't going to pay.

Its either going to work really well or not at all......going to have to wait and see. I'm predicting a fail though, as fun as the game is currently for a few matches when i got a spare 20 minutes.

[RansomList]

Needs bigger maps too.

[Ripline]

So what's your repair costs (max) with tier 8 and 9 heavies? Starting to get heartily sick of the 16k on Panther, esp when it gets matched against shit like T32s and IS-3s.

[Internet Spaceship Man]

My name is Korgan0, look me up and let's shoot some shit.

[John Smith]

So what's your repair costs (max) with tier 8 and 9 heavies? Starting to get heartily sick of the 16k on Panther, esp when it gets matched against shit like T32s and IS-3s.

20 odd k for an is4 and about the same again in ammo.

[Ripline]

20 odd k for an is4 and about the same again in ammo.

So basically not profitable unless they have an extremely good round, or don't play the heavy to it's strengths.

And in other news, another fine day for balancing. Had a MS-1 thrown in same round with an IS-4, everyone kept the thing alive as a mascot of sorts until it was the last thing left standing and a bored IS-4 driver humped it to death by grinding it against rocks.

[RansomList]

a bored IS-4 driver humped it to death by grinding it against rocks.

Tank porn.

Game needs

EDIT: Cats too. We have dogs and chicken but no cats

[John Smith]

So basically not profitable unless they have an extremely good round, or don't play the heavy to it's strengths.

And in other news, another fine day for balancing. Had a MS-1 thrown in same round with an IS-4, everyone kept the thing alive as a mascot of sorts until it was the last thing left standing and a bored IS-4 driver humped it to death by grinding it against rocks.

It's rare when you use all your ammo and get completely blown up. With premium it can be very profitable, without you'd have to play really well all the time.

[Jacabon Mere]

And in other news, another fine day for balancing. Had a MS-1 thrown in same round with an IS-4, everyone kept the thing alive as a mascot of sorts until it was the last thing left standing and a bored IS-4 driver humped it to death by grinding it against rocks.

thats a matter of a poor platoon setup not bad balancing. Well poor for everyone else, and good for the ms-1.

[Ripline]

High point of the day so far
Attachment 757

Spent a while ego massaging myself over it already, thought I'd share.

[Internet Spaceship Man]

You jerked off to that, didn't you. I know I would.

[ZZang]

Well few days of playing ISU with 152mm BL10 and i have to say it's fucking awesome gun. 1 shot - ~40% off tier VIII/IX/X tier <6 instapops lol.

And they're introducing the Object 704 soon hehe, gonna get that beauty as soon as it hits the server.

Still, the spoting system is borked and it's not funny dying with camo net + 4x100% crew in camo from a guys at 500m :/

[Jacabon Mere]

High point of the day so far
Attachment 757

Spent a while ego massaging myself over it already, thought I'd share.

Was that on lakeside/lakeview/whateveritscalled?

I got 9 kills in a panzer 2 on that map by going down the middle. Complete kills at that.

[Ripline]

Was that on lakeside/lakeview/whateveritscalled?

I got 9 kills in a panzer 2 on that map by going down the middle. Complete kills at that.

A city map, the one with the castle on the hill. Still don't remember it's name, mostly it was the corner camping championships going on over there.

[Jacabon Mere]

abbey?

[ZZang]

Himmelsdorf

[RansomList]

Love that one, i can stalk people with the KV and its comedy cannon then corner camp until reload.

[Internet Spaceship Man]

Apparently the devs will be doing a full wipe on release, fyi.

[ZZang]

Yea, soft wipe on servers split have been canceled so the only WIPE we will get for sure is the hard one on release.

On the other hand, i went through the 43 pages thread about 0.6.2 patch and 40 are about IS-4 buff lol. Maus getting 400hp also to be more "competetive" with IS-7/T30

T29/T32 nerf a bit too much since those tanks are already weak w/o them so US tree gets pretty much nerfed with the first patch after their initial release.

We shall see how will it go in near future~

[Ripline]

Mostly waiting for higher tier mediums myself, really like driving the Panther around when I'm on premium.
Overlord's latest on the topic of soft wipe:
"The start of EU servers is preliminary scheduled for 20-24 December. Projected server capacity for EU clutser is approximately 60k players online at once. Apart from that, the capacity of US servers will be extended to the same value at the same time.

Due to processing complexity there will be no soft wipe prior to this major event (ie not soft wipe this year).

v.0.6.2.x update will be released along with the start of EU servers."

[RansomList]

Why the hell is the American heavy tree getting a nerf and a superb russian tank getting a buff?

Also, fuck not having a soft wipe. I'm out.

[Internet Spaceship Man]

Well, it would lead to the new players getting raped by vets in IS-7's and Hummel's, so it's understandable. Apparently we'll get some extra gold and some goodies or something, but it'll still mean an MS-1 for me

[Ripline]

Now the MS-1 I don't mind, the ride I'm dreading is M3 Lee, atm. Worked my way up to tier 7 heavies in german and USSR trees, and tier 8 in german mediums. Gotta start testing out either russian mediums or american tanks in general next.

Late edit: This module damage is starting to get on my nerves, ammo racked on tiger four games in a row now. No explosions mind but just screwing up the rate of fire for good.

[Jacabon Mere]

m3-lee sucks useless 60 degreee rotational turret, crappy speed and crappy armour. What good is a panzer 3 equivelent without the mobility and the ability to circle strafe =(

4k xp and slowly grinding up.

[Internet Spaceship Man]

m3-lee sucks useless 60 degreee rotational turret, crappy speed and crappy armour. What good is a panzer 3 equivelent without the mobility and the ability to circle strafe =(

4k xp and slowly grinding up.

You can't use the actual turret-gun?!

[RansomList]

m3 lee is a retarded TD. On the other hand it has acceptable frontal and that gun isn't too bad for a t3; it will pen 3-4-5.

It still sucks though. I gave up.

I've given up on the whole Yank line now there wont be a soft wipe, no way am i grinding through T1 heavy and M3 lee, then m6 until the first actually good tank; which apparently is getting a nerf.

[RansomList]

Come to think of it, if you want to avoid horrible grinds, the German heavy line looks to be the best?


No t1 heavy, m3 lee, KV or T28

[Jacabon Mere]

You can't use the actual turret-gun?!

the actualy turret gun looks about the same callibre as a ms-1

m3 lee is a retarded TD. On the other hand it has acceptable frontal and that gun isn't too bad for a t3; it will pen 3-4-5.

Its a tier 4 so i guess beign good compared to tier 3's is kind of expected?

if you get in a match with anything higher than a kv/panzer 4 your pretty much cannon fodder.

It still sucks though. I gave up.

I've given up on the whole Yank line now there wont be a soft wipe, no way am i grinding through T1 heavy and M3 lee, then m6 until the first actually good tank; which apparently is getting a nerf.

I heard good things about the m4a1.....have i been deceived? supposed to drive similar to a t-34 i heard.

[RansomList]

Why would i want to drive that when i can have a t34 with the 57mm, oil and speed gov.?

Yanks should get the 90mm one tier earlier on light tree and the 90mm with the t1 heavy. At the moment i am struggling to see what the yank role is apart from to be sub par versions of Rus/Ger and presumably Frogs when they come out.

[Ripline]

Come to think of it, if you want to avoid horrible grinds, the German heavy line looks to be the best?


No t1 heavy, m3 lee, KV or T28

I wouldn't consider KV or T-28 horrible grinds personally. KV especially performs pretty nicely. Germans don't get that sort of gun penetration until 2 tiers higher (JP and Tiger I). Played well it's a real money printer. T-28 is a bit rougher but it's also lower tier.

[RansomList]

KV is the only way to the SU-51 and a nightmare to get elite with. If you want the best gun you have to grind 16k sp (?) for it, rather than hop into a KV3/KV1-S,

Its fun to rampage with the 152mm but i cant see it as anything but a grind/speedbump on the way to an IS

[Jacabon Mere]

Why would i want to drive that when i can have a t34 with the 57mm, oil and speed gov.?

Yanks should get the 90mm one tier earlier on light tree and the 90mm with the t1 heavy. At the moment i am struggling to see what the yank role is apart from to be sub par versions of Rus/Ger and presumably Frogs when they come out.

meh i don't really know the stats on the thing is it incredibly bad compared to the t-34? It will give me something to drive when i am not driving my vk or my t-34, i'm not a fan of td's or spg's.

[Jacabon Mere]

Come to think of it, if you want to avoid horrible grinds, the German heavy line looks to be the best?


No t1 heavy, m3 lee, KV or T28

after the tiger 2 you got nothing good thought. who wants a slow arty target.

me i think i'll keep gunning for my panther. once you get off the basics it appears not too bad. might go for t-44 after that.

[Ripline]

And some positive commentary for a change, got the Jagdpanther mostly upgraded now (just missing the 10,5 cm) and it's a real pleasure to drive after Stug III and Jagdpanzer IV. Basically first one that can damage just about everything it gets thrown against, something like IS-4 front will still give trouble but you're operating with a 200mm penetration gun so you can punch everything full of holes if you know your positions. Managed to kill two T32s and a T29 with it in one game.

Tiger.. too early for a verdict,the armor is pretty weak and module damage happens frequently, but the long 88 is a marvelous gun. I was more impressed by the IS, but it may fit my fighting style better, I like a fairly high risk style and end up in close range brawls frequently.

[Wusti]

I liked the T-28 with the big gun - for a low tier tank it can fight above its weight and is fast enough too. Fun tank all round if you ask me. Ont he other hand the M3 Lee is the biggest bag of shit I have had the displeasure of driving in the game so far - even beats the Hetzer and thats saying something.

[Arrador]

T1 is a steaming Pile. M6 with the 90mm is actually surprising. Do not grind the t-29 without the 90mm. You will get laughed at. Do not grind the US heavy tree past the t32. Disappointment only lies ahead.

OH and t32 is the new t29 after the nerf