20:03:20 Notify The Collective has claimed sovereignty in 68FT-6 on behalf of Against ALL Authorities
20:03:20 Notify The Collective has claimed sovereignty in 68FT-6 on behalf of Against ALL Authorities
confirm. 68FT IS -A-
Thank god we had verification.
Mr Mentos I salute you.
umad ?
1 down, 38 to go in your comeback campaign. GF for that one, cya at the next oneOriginally Posted by Zev
"You're not killing us fast enough"?1 down, 38 to go in your comeback campaign. GF for that one, cya at the next one
"We didn't want that space anyways"
Obviously they want it back since they are trying to take it back. So not sure if that one applies
I would say that sov for AAA is not an aim but a symbol of rebith.Obviously they want it back since they are trying to take it back. So not sure if that one applies
Well, the problem with that is always that they make the statistic with bad data. Only if they have a lot of kills and the losses are not yet in.
http://init.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8091462
At this moment: 546 Init/IT/C02 and so on fought against 720 Stainwagon + -A- + ROL and Stuff). Plus some more Logis on both sides.
The 564 lost 207 of there ships and killed 192. The 720 lost 192 and killed 207
Every time I press F5 there is more Kills coming in and the fight is now 12h old. So it is still not 100%
And an impressive number of enemy's (720). I'm sure a lot of the Stainwagon guys reshipped or got some reinforcements coming (local was a long time at 900-800). They really wanted that system bad.
I wished for a better fight (less lag), but will not be the last fight that is for sure.
-A- lost there regions without fighting for it. They will not get them back as easy as they lost it.
-A- lost there regions without fighting for it. They will not get them back as easy as they lost it.
No, but we are enjoying the way we are getting it back.
"Statistics are people with the tears wiped away"
Just a particularly good statistic quote. Not mine.
The funny thing about facts is that there are useful facts, and there are not so useful facts. Listing the number of characters in alliances is in the latter group. Some people (for some masochistic reason) like to get isk from running a 10 man mining op by themselves. So with 11 characters in alliance, 1 being combat, he turns up with 1 for fleets. This is a 100% turnout rate, and he's doing good. paper numbers on the other hand, say that there are 10 people in alliance who can't be assed/have given up.
So unless someone deducts the number of alts from the membership, paper numbers are, to use your word: fantasy.
whats the criteria for an alliance to get in the northern coalition anyhow? it seems anything can just apply
are they judged on their ability to be functional meatshields in the event of emergencies?
I said hi on the forums and 500 people flamed me
Try reading the post you're quoting next time and you'll notice that despite us having changed the timer to EU prime, when the station entered second RF, its timer still came out at midnight in US EST. Reading is hard, I know.
Here's a clue for you: nitpicking at semantics like using the word yet makes you look like a jackass. If you know what our strengths and weaknesses are so well, you would also know that our diplomats today aren't the same as they were 2-3 months ago. Our participation is low, yes, as should be expected from months of structure grinding and being blobbed out 2-3:1. This isn't me bitching about numbers, it's simply what's been happening. We've been consistently coming to fights with 150 or so and getting met with close to double the numbers, particularly in XWY. On that note, I'm proud to say that we usually still engage unless we feel that doing so would cause us to lose every last ship in our fleet.
I will agree about one thing, though, and that's that CO2 is very new at holding space in general and we've met with plenty of difficulties getting used to that. We've had our pocket in Providence for a little while now, yes, but the culture of our alliance is very much based around small gang roaming. A good amount of our members still make money by scanning down plexes because that's what we always did in Venal, not realizing that doing havens and sanctums and getting escalations is a much more efficient method. You take an alliance of that sort, whose core corps are used to running around ganking people in Branch, PB, and Tribute and tell them that they now have to shoot stuff that doesn't shoot back and you have members that just say no, like what happened with Antares.
Note on timers: we had 4-5 petitions out and were answered with "sorry, we are unable to help you with that." Apparently people in Provi reported the same sort of trouble recently.
Sure. You earn it back. But don't expect it to be any quicker now. You certainly did not break our fighting spirit. So be prepared to fight some more for it. And not just you (because I'm sure you are ready to do exactly that).
You saw how easy it was to get SysK to leave the field (just employ some mercs to attack them). So the question stays, how long and hard will the allies of -A- fight for what -A- wants.
And don't answer that for them. We will all see the answer on the battlefields in the days and weeks to come.
I believe i can say for everyone in the alliance when i say we are ready to fight.Sure. You earn it back. But don't expect it to be any quicker now. You certainly did not break our fighting spirit. So be prepared to fight some more for it. And not just you (because I'm sure you are ready to do exactly that).
BE and Co moved to Sys-K Space as their own doing, -A- didnt hire them to do anything. As for the last part, well i am just a grunt but so far our allies have pulled through and are willing to help us if anything they are getting great fights out of it.You saw how easy it was to get SysK to leave the field (just employ some mercs to attack them). So the question stays, how long and hard will the allies of -A- fight for what -A- wants.
Proper fit on a hulk and tengu to tank gurista's. Thats how I got in.whats the criteria for an alliance to get in the northern coalition anyhow? it seems anything can just apply
are they judged on their ability to be functional meatshields in the event of emergencies?
[Arrador] possesses a considerable understanding of ship configurations, strengths and weakness. He gives clear and purposeful instructions, is good at taking advantage of the fleet-composition he's dealt, and never loses sight of the main goal: fun. This, paired with an excellent tolerance for strong drink gives him an almost Churchillian capability to win, despite being completely pissed on booze most of the fleet operation.
Dude, count this numbers another time, hostiles despite of SW, +A+, ROL includes IT Alliance, Initiative Mercenaries and so on...
Non-trolling and unironically, I agree. The last few months have been nothing but good for -A-. They've gone from being a fat, bloated, useless turd on the map to an alliance that is actually worth something and wants to do something. I'm not going to re-hash the reasons this conflict developed, and I'm not certainly going to try and predict a final ~sov map~ result, but I dont think anyone could deny that the South is a vastly more interesting and fun area now than it was 3 months ago.
To point out some things,
-A- tried at first to defend but with intel of PL/WN/Death waiting on an escalation in order to jump in more SC than -A- had, the whole fight was basically a sub capital fight. That was a good decision bad part was that they lost space.
Now ROL/Coven/SE once A lost space got attacked, least ROL did and lost space, once the assault was over you see this small coalition which is A/ROL/SE/Coven get together and start a counter attack.
At this point if they do not kick out INIT/CO2 and whoever else is in their way and don't do this together as a group they have no future, as any big entity could simply come and pick off one at a time till they no longer have space.
So I think this war will continue until the SWagon gets to ITs front door.
Will try to fill in my POV from the other side;
We jumped in together with IT, INIT lost a few on jump in including Bliss (for the first time). IT reported they were actually able to kill stuff so we soldiered on. I didnt load for a good 20 minutes, thought it would be a good idea to relog. Derp. logged back in, no chat channels, couldnt get in fleet, tried to MWD out of the bubbles and rewarp back in to the fight. Wouldnt warp. (continue this for about 30 minutes).
At this point fight is around the 9-II gate in 68FT, orders were shoot primary, if you cant get it locked shoot the SBU. Some dude in a scorp was primary for 25 minutes
Lag started to clear up a little bit and things started to die, albeit very slowly.
Hmm, not sure about the INIT fleet getting caught, I dont think we lost a lot at this point, i could be wrong though. We were ordered to align station, think at least 90% of fleet did, we killed a few drakes while aligning (including Hawkcrest, which made one of my ex Black Aces guys very happy) then warped on top of dreads at the station. Most of our fleet landed on station, Dreads were bubbled the fuck out of, started killing a phoenix.
Phoenix was going down slowly, I switched fleets and dropped in the carriers. Carriers primaried the phoenix to finish it off and were ordered to rep station and Logistics who broadcasted. Station repping went nowhere :CCP:, dreads started to disappear, we finished off the ones who hadn't made logoffski (think 3 dreads died total). We had one revelation who was drifting off pointed for fucking ages. Primaried it with fighters at one stage, but the most damage he ever took was about half shield. I think he ended up aligning off the field.
Carriers were ordered to help support kill drakes, and keep repping station / logistics. Not sure how effective fighters were at all, I know at some point carriers switched to sentries.
I burned around in my Hic with infinte MWD pointing up what i could and called targets for a bit. Got primaried myself, died and spent the next 40 minutes trying to get out of system. Couldn't self destruct the pod >.<.
Carriers were ordered to deaggro and get in dock range as the first one to get shot at was unable to be repped against the incoming DPS. I believe he managed to emergency cyno out in structure.
One Chimera black screened on jump in, never recovered, died eventually. Some peoples drones went unresponsive (couldnt abandon) so i assume those carriers died still having aggro and some docking requests were simply never acknowledged. Some dude in a thanatos was getting bumped off station and shot for like half an hour, think he eventually logged and died.
By this point IT had lost a lot and its a long way back for them to reship. We had lost a fair chunk and the fucking drakes just kept on spawning. Lots of re-shipping going on by Stainwagon/-A-. Orders were safe up, chill out. Hostiles had system control
When the game was playable, it was indeed a good fight. I enjoyed it. The other 80% of it was a fucked up lagfest.
Drakez haz not brakez
As an Atlas pilot(no I will never not be one) this whole war has forced me to sit on the sidelines. Initiative. was like the little brother and -A- was the best friend who would punch you in the face for fucking up. Stain/coven were the older cool kids that you wanted to be and Molle and the IT clowns were the pedophiles with the white van offering free candy. The south is a beautiful disaster and the way eve should be. Fuck all the ego's and posing, its all on fire and ready to be burnt to the ground.
Fight on my brothers because that's how it should be.
Much love and many hugs to those who brought the fight. The lag was a bitch, but we can at least find a common enemy to blame that on. See you all in GE. o7
It's a nice sentiment, but essentially the situation's crystallized pretty immediately into two distinct sides with the twists coming from dismal diplomatic failures and the occasional break-taking/cascade. 'The way Eve should be' is probably intended to be more something like the free-for-all chaos in Providence, but Providence pilots always seem like they're running around their room with their arms out making swoosh noises so we really shouldn't use them as good examples for anything
To be fair, it does make your ship go faster.
ex-Atlas corps in IM made quite a showing with an amazing 3 pilots in the 68FT battle out of their 727 total membership
At this rate, GE will be around Christmas tbh.
The whole "numbers" argument is inherently flawed also. Both sides use their own numbers as fact.
Init+Co2 will include all the Mercs mysteriously operating in our pipes and only killing us as "hostile numbers" that SW deny having anythign to do with. SW swear by the "fact" PL was also hitting -A- as being some part of our numbers [even going so far as to say we hired them], even though PL left a week and a half into INITs campaign on Teneriffs and Catch.
Its all just theorycrafting in the end though and doesn't matter. Wolfpack or Mega blob it comes down to "did you win". Even then, in 0.0, its the big picture/little picture. You can win the fight and loose the war, and what matters most is did you have fun.
Last night, all :CCP: aside, was fun. INIT+Co had fun, sounds like SW did too. Logistically, SW had the edge last night, and prolly will for most of the rest of Impass (being in Titan portal range of C9N). Imho, SW literally re-shipped us to death last night-- not necessarily the best tactic long term imo, but it gave them the field and temp access to 68ft stn. Even looking at teh most screwed of killboards, it was an even fight, bullshit/lag kills, on both sides, aside. Goodfights.
I LOL'd + Rep
The south is a fun place and honestly -A- needed some fun. As long as they remember the lesson of " don't fall into the space empire naptrain ditch " they will do alright. I talk to all my friends in -A- on a daily basis and that alliance is more alive now than I have seen it in years.
"The hardest cock gets to fuck"
Stain was very fun tonight.
We managed to bag a bunch of AAA ships who apparently were very surprised that Stain is not completely safe to travel alone. Golem, Raven, Geddon, Thorax. It's not significant at all in the grand scheme of things (but it's a big deal to ED) but we deployed to make AAA pilots (some individuals anyway) angry and we sort-of succeeded.
This guy in particular had a rather rough day, having lost his pod 3 times and a Golem within an hour.
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3652
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3659
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3655
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3656
We also had some other nice e-honour smack.
[05:19:12] HYT gangster ransom?
[05:20:30] HYT gangster come back and pvp..
[05:20:38] HYT gangster falcon whoring is not pvp son,
I'll post a BR in Irrelevant ED thread soon.
The Colorblind Angel of Kugutsumen - Turning Bad Country into Mad Country one post a time
To be quite frank that golem pilot should be kicked or fined or something, in a time of war and still ratting wtf?
Other 3 links are capsules btw.
No need for a BR btw. Unlike the BE/Sksk stuff, now any way you look at it, thats still impressive. They even managed to take down a carrier or 2 not to mention practically all their sub cap fleet.
Any alliance out there better watch out when you have BE in your system.
Hey OMFG,
The point was that the other 3 are capsules: "This guy in particular had a rather rough day, having lost his pod 3 times and a Golem within an hour."
Secondly I write a BR every time we have any small victory because I like to trumpet it all over the place. Fortunately for everyone's sanity, this is usually restricted to a rather delectable thread called "The Irrelevant (mis)adventures of ED" in the Serious Discussion Forum.
The Colorblind Angel of Kugutsumen - Turning Bad Country into Mad Country one post a time
even tho getting dragged into the numbers game is like being in the special Olympics (or being a srs forum troll ) i cant help but to point out at no point in any of the numbers posts did i see anyone include PL with INIT, and the mysterious mercs you mention seem to be pretty neutral to -A-/SW from what ive seen. perhaps they are not merc but vultures, vultures have a good sense for easy meals from dying prey.
either way i think the situation for everyone will be much more clear for everyone by christmas, till then everyone pls continue srs interwebz speek
everyone knows RTSQ is a macro ratting alt corp for RAT, and the macro scrips obviously was not good enough to check if it was in a ship, so it tried to leave station and rat in pod. another great eve mystery solved
banned from WoT forums for calling MAC users faggots, the GM was a total MAC user
That's incorrect actually, as the guy was running a plex(got killed), appeared in TG- (the nearest system with a clone bay) and then attempted to get past us back to lgk, getting podded. Then he made it back, undocked in his pod, and for some reason moved causing him to be lockable.
The Colorblind Angel of Kugutsumen - Turning Bad Country into Mad Country one post a time
Posting stuff like this unironically is a good way to get everyone on the forum to laugh at you
so long as we're fining people in internet spaceships, then the fine should be serious; to have his balls cut off.
I said hi on the forums and 500 people flamed me
This would make sense if DNS and Noir hadn't been in Impass for almost a month now. It makes even less sense given that DNS has repeatedly had their teeth kicked in but are still looking to gank people. The fact that two well known mercenary groups whose entire claim to fame is their efficiency are hanging out in Impass hotdropping people even while having 50-60% efficiency (for DNS, Noir has been a bit more cautious) would seem to be compelling enough to make me say that they were hired.
Also, in our fight in AZN, DNS bombed us on the gate forcing us to jump into the hostile gate camp. There were also DNS SBUs in FR- which St0ven and -A- later came to RF. I think I can also find some DNS names on some CO2 and Init KMs during the fight in 68FT from bomber runs, but that part I'm not sure about.
Are you still srsly talking about a dead marauder? Jeez, don't make your alliance look like a bunch of scrubs.That's incorrect actually, as the guy was running a plex(got killed), appeared in TG- (the nearest system with a clone bay) and then attempted to get past us back to lgk, getting podded. Then he made it back, undocked in his pod, and for some reason moved causing him to be lockable.
DNS and Noir were working with AAA during their providence campaign from what I recall. So although I don't have the exact details, they are most likely hired by them. Not sure about DNS, maybe doing it for fun. Nobody has ever denied their involvement or their allied status to Stain. They are both awesome groups, really patient, relentless and a pain in the ass for our enemies.
You seem angry about something, bro. Someone asked, he answered. Calm down, son.
First, at least someone has to balls to say that you actually hired mercs. And of course it is plain obvious you did.
But then crying your eyes out that we hired PL (we didn't was the Russians, we just where on the right side there).
But maybe we should also hire some mercs to perma camp the ratters. If I look at those marauders, I'm sure there can be some damage done
good plan, im sure that will turn the tide of the battle in your favor and lead to your eventual victoryBut maybe we should also hire some mercs to perma camp the ratters. If I look at those marauders, I'm sure there can be some damage done
also, props to NOIR and DNS for being mercs comparable to PL in ability, at least in ability to scare their targets and cause forum rage
banned from WoT forums for calling MAC users faggots, the GM was a total MAC user
Did you just seriously post about killing a golem ratter? Are you retarded? (and/or hilariously bad)Stain was very fun tonight.
We managed to bag a bunch of AAA ships who apparently were very surprised that Stain is not completely safe to travel alone. Golem, Raven, Geddon, Thorax. It's not significant at all in the grand scheme of things (but it's a big deal to ED) but we deployed to make AAA pilots (some individuals anyway) angry and we sort-of succeeded.
This guy in particular had a rather rough day, having lost his pod 3 times and a Golem within an hour.
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3652
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3659
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3655
http://kb.etherealdawnalliance.com/?...il&kll_id=3656
We also had some other nice e-honour smack.
[05:19:12] HYT gangster ransom?
[05:20:30] HYT gangster come back and pvp..
[05:20:38] HYT gangster falcon whoring is not pvp son,
I'll post a BR in Irrelevant ED thread soon.
How did you reach the conclusion that anyone would be interested in hearing about this?
And no, I'm not mad.
Nobody has ever said that those guys were not on our side. Once again I don't have details on the "hiring," you'd have to ask AAA for that, but I assume at least Noir is paid, could be wrong though. Nobody is also complaining about PL. What was said is that they did the heavy lifting along with WN supercap fleet.First, at least someone has to balls to say that you actually hired mercs. And of course it is plain obvious you did.
But then crying your eyes out that we hired PL (we didn't was the Russians, we just where on the right side there).
But maybe we should also hire some mercs to perma camp the ratters. If I look at those marauders, I'm sure there can be some damage done
By all means, please hire mercs or whoever and kill those ratting bastards. If you lose your ship while ratting, then you made a mistake and completely deserve it unless you were tackled by blues.
Hey, apparently it's a big deal in ED. That is the first good thing that has happened to them since the beginning of this war. Maybe it will get a special mention in evenews24 or captainthanker update (wouldn't be surprised)
lol is this a troll post?
Doesn't look like one. Who said that you need 50 motherships for area denial anyway...
I can't recall any significant PL/WN supercap activity in Catch/Tenerifis aside from the hot-drop in KA6 with PL (prior to us SBU'ing anything) and with WN helping on the timer in G-D0N3 in Tenerifis. If I am mistaken pls link a iHub killmail or something to set the matter straight. All of this WN/PL supers did everything stuff is a poor attempt to rewrite history. If you mean 'heavy lifting' in the sense they were online/waiting to come online to hot-drop you then fine (I an sure they would have loved the opportunity), but if you mean they went around sieging all of your space then I don't think the facts support that statement in the slightest.
That said, PL and WN certainly did the heavy lifting in Feyth/Impass area (with respect to use of SC's), although I have less insight into the daily goings on as we were still busy cleaning Catch.
Ps. Notwithstanding that PL were active with us in the initial phases of Catch with subcap fights, and laterlly IT with subcaps and caps (but my response above is with respect to the SC statement in the op).
Yes, I'm not arguing with your points either way and by heavy lifting I mean both infrastructure destruction in feyth and impass and the safety insurance for Init from getting hot dropped by Stain.
yeah but you at least need one cloaky ship per ratting system to pull it off, which they didn't have once in their month long campaign in impass
No I think he is just giving a hint that every time PL get a kick in a balls they claim that they didnt want that space, titans ______ etc and their contract is finished anyways.
Or he wanted to say that the wall of cry generated due to NOIR/BE/DNS activity is comparable to the one generated thanks to PL but with less price and effort envolved.
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