Who's the shiny demon? Also, nice snipe.
But if you want to be a stupid niggerlord and just call themittani.com the CFC then go right on ahead. Its not like you've ever made a good post in this thread or even know what the fuck a good post would look like.
Well that wasn't a love song.
Where's the KM? If it was FA I'll get you reimbursed.Originally Posted by Lorren Canada
vince draken broke the news first on Shit on Kugu
dont reach young bloods
Nobody cares about the CFC mouthpiece website stfu.
Evoke made a smart move, and the only group that could be upset with them (NCdot) shouldn't be, because their track record with allies is shit as well.
Outer ring is like beyond dead last time I was there besides a few alliances
Nync is not a person, he's the Dredd of cyno beacons.
After he's done dispensing justice he yells, "This beacon has been pacified!" in local, drops shuttle flares and warps off.
This is the kind of quality posting I would expect on TheMittani.com, not here!
So anyone know what's going on with Goons vs IRC & Friends?
Doesn't the CSAA come out around now?
On the subject of EVOKE, They are friends, they will remain friends, They have some new direction they wish to pursue good luck to them! To think we reset them based off something written on a goon propaganda website is hilarious. Just so happens when the secret EVOKE meeting took place we had the running commentary for the duration. With some of the corps joining other blue alliances itís not really a shock to many since they were going to reset us this coming weekend. They have made the best decision they felt would suite them with their new adventure and to reform.
R.I.P Vile Rat <3
With Vince at the helm NC. will lose all friends eventually, and probably disband (again) because of their inability to get off the elitist bandwagon and actually make friends.
The problem is they lost 2 very good PVP alliances BL and Ev0Ke, there isn't many of these type of nullsec alliances around anymore.
So whilst others move with the times like BL/Solar/CFC, even damn thought I would never see that PL/Test (who would of thought the ultra elitist douches playing with complete noobs), NC. refuse to realise that they really do need help (because without BL,Nulli,Ev0Ke,401K and others they would of died ages ago, as their own numbers as pathetic in fleets). They are really like -A- and they are losing friends rapidly, and this time I don't think anyone will trust them again.
Its going to be a cold winter for NC. out on that shelf on their own, if they don't snuggle up and get cozy. Eve has changed a lot (not for the better I must add but nonetheless) and its not the same. So adapt or die...
Just think this will probably fall on deaf ears anyway,
......or at least get some decent diplos, that actually speak to people! Not like those dimwits Wicked Princess and Lady Scarlet (ladies you cant have an elitist attitude and be a diplo)
Its almost like NCDot do what they want to have fun. Imagine that.
Second, you need to understand the culture of NC. and the corps within. Now, first thing I need to say is that I haven't been with D00M since the beginning, heck, I wasn't even part of the TRI iterations but I've been with these guys for long enough to at least form my own opinion. What I believe is that D00M and alot of the other old-guard corps like RA and UDIE is that they seem to be nomads by nature and always return to that state even after long stints as other types of entities. Yes, TRI(mk-whatever) always go out and take space, stir up the hornets nest and then return to NPC space but that's just them. Now, you can yell and scream all you want about how bad NC./TRI get their asses kicked out of conquerable space by the various sand-castle alliances out there but that's not really what the majority of the players from within actually log in to do.
Fights drive the activity within NC. as well as BL/Evoke/PL. Without fights, those entities truly do dry up and whither out of existence until something somewhere in the New Eden universe, there is a small conflict that blows up into a larger conflict and there are plenty of killmails to be had by all. That's what drives our participation and the lack of fights will starve our participation - as it has many times around.
So while, yes, our own numbers have been pretty bad as of late for anything outside of EUTZ, it's more because most of the content is in EUTZ and in US, where CFC had been actively avoiding fights, and AU, where CFC had completely stopped fleeting up, our participation dropped considerably. However, those pilots will spike rapidly in participation if the opportunity presents itself. It's not about "adapt or die", it's about the reason for playing the game and if/when that desired content is readily available, people will be more active. Even these large scale lag-fights will turn people off because for people like me, they just aren't fun. There is nothing high-paced or adrenaline pumping about a 10-20% tidi fight. Stuff like scouting a titan in a pw'd pos, pulling the trigger and it paying off big-time is. Even today we had a cloaky camp of maybe 15 in UMI- and got some great ganks and even a small fight that netted a Loki. That's the type of stuff that drives participation.
I see BL. as a more schizophrenic version of NC. No, they aren't bad guys and no I'm not trying to say they are just a baby NC., I actually enjoyed alot of them but they, just like us, don't have a high tolerance for scheduled ops or shooting structures every night in hopes for fights that don't really happen the majority of the time. NC. does have a higher tolerance than BL for that stuff but not much more. While there seems to be a perception of bad blood between the two entities, I see it more as ego's clashing at the upper echelons of leadership while the core of both entities still like each other. It's really only a vocal minority in both camps that push that bad blood and it will eventually subside.
Evoke have been having alot of internal problems for a long time now and the biggest catalyst that I can see now is pretty much all of their top tier FC's left to remake/create a new corp for smaller scale stuff. There was a big lull in activity from Evoke right after that and they've been trying to make it work but we can see the end result - and sometimes it's a good thing to shake things up. That type of stuff refreshes alot of peoples attitudes about the game and can spike participation in and of itself.
So yeah, I wish the best of luck to both BL and Evoke and I look forward to working with them in the next big conflict that I can use to expediently fill my killboard with more shineis.
Probably the best post you have written Quesa +1
And no NC. are not Tri Mkanything, not even close. Heck Tri Mk2,3,4,5,6.... was nothing like Tri MK1...(I miss still)
Yes BL and Ev0ke left NC. for different reasons, but yet there is still a distinct bitter taste in the mouth in both of them about NC.
Its the leaders that make or break and alliance, and people in those alliances have a distinct dislike for Vince. There is simply no getting away from it or denying that fact, You cant talk to people like shit and think people will put up with it. Afterall it is only a game.
Eve is so different now, and everyone needs ISK to have those 'good fights' especially at the level of NC. etc for that you need to either own many tech moons or you need to rent space. In order to have tech moons you need to hold them against the blob, or have 'friends' or treaties has NC. had with Goons (which they messed up) Goons where happy to have goodfights and still allow NC. to keep moons. Win Win situation! Why mess that up?
If you dont have tech you need to rent space, in order to keep space you need to have 'friends' Goons dont care how much they keep losing or how long it takes, because in the end they win, thats the goal. They dont lose because they have some much tech and income those losses mean nothing.
So if you think they care about NC. chestbeating at the odd tactical slaughter, they dont. Why because they have instareplaced those losses and still making more isk.
Meanwhile NC lose moons, lose sov, lose renters. People lose ships, and lose isk, without any income. The doctrines are not cheap 150-400 mill per ship, eventually you cant sustain that.
So yes NC. and friends provide great content and fights, but without income in this modern era of eve , and no friends its not sustainable. There are now really only 2 major blocs CFC and HBC. HBC having some real quality PVP Alliances (Raiden, Init, and PL) others are just numbers. You cannot compete with that anymore, not at the scale they are now at. 5 years ago yes, not now.
Soco is dead and Solar well its not really a bloc.
NC. yes a good entity as a pvp alliance, but without anyone to go to afterwards becuase they have terrible diplomatic ability, how long are they really going to last? Maybe it is back to Venal (for good), or as i said get some people that can make friends (and keep them)
You harp on about Tech/Renters and ISK and how its so important you need a history lesson of sorts ~
Two things are different about alliances like NC. / BL / EVOKE compared to alliances in CFC.
We have never depended on Sov / Tech / Renters before having Sov or Tech each member funded his or her own PvP.
As a result of having tech itís a MASSIVE bonus for each alliance and the members in it. We also have no were near as many mouths to feed as the average CFC alliance does.
CFC Alliances Need Sov, Need Tech, need every bit of income they can get to function like they do, 0.0 as much as half of you wonít admit it is about surviving, and MOST of Mittens campaignís in the north reflect that he is the guy to run a secsusful coalition for quite some time however there is a thing called building blocks everyone makes mistakes, you can bust my balls all you like, however like in real life you learn from mistakes and you do it better next time around it takes a man to realize a mistake a coward sits behind his PC clicking F5 on a forum giving someone shit :-)
EVOKE were never a "DotBr0" because like the BL dudes pointed out they didnít help from maybe week two of the war a lot of that was due to FC's like Chronos wanted to throw us under the bus for how EWOKS were treated by Wicked Princess and them as allies.
It was myself who made the decision to go into the tech business with EVOKE and also give them the very space we are talking about here today and there decision to hand it over to further benefit themselves is just fine weather it be right or wrong in our opinions which are very differnt.
R.I.P Vile Rat <3
Evoke and BL I agree they havent, but you have.....
Tell me without all that income where would you have been now? Actually without all those friends you seem to constantly screw over, where would you be now?
Seems i pressed enter before i was ready to reply :-)
R.I.P Vile Rat <3
Since well before my corp got into ncdot,''self reliant'' was part of the requirement. PVP on your own dime. Yes tech and sov make it easier for alot of peeps to continue to fly,but it has allways been up to the pilot to support himself. Ncdot as a entity is there simply to provide you with structure and content.
No this is not a ''didnt want that sov anyway'' post,but id like to clarify that supporting yourself in eve has allways been a part of the ''elite pvp'' culture.
Vince as a alliance leader isnt perfect and coulda handle the BL situation better.But lets not completely put all of it on him, clearly, muhadin had a axe to grind and took the chance to make it a big deal when it presented itself.Im not gonna beat up on WP,suffice to say she had a job to do at the time and didnt do it. Evoke as far as i know has nothing at all to do with Vince his leadership or Ncdot. It looks to me like evoke seen the writeing on the wall and cashed out. I dont know the details of all that but i cant on the outset see where it falls on vince or some failure of his. Thats all i have to say about that.
You know I might be busting your balls, but that's because NCDotBros are a great coalition (I say coalition not NC. Alliance) and personally I want to see do well. So work with you current allies, it is not just Nulli, give them stuff/space and they will reward you. Otherwise we will be hearing about a disband before long.
space has always came at a cost if no sov bills, it was POS fuel, If they didnt use the 2 pervious rich moons (they did) they use the "Sov" Mining once upon atime was epic income. However i dont expect some of you to know 0.0 back in 2003 /2004 so i understand
R.I.P Vile Rat <3
You do realise that back in the day, you had to have 50% of the moons in all the system to gain sov? You do realise that you had to fuel every single one of those, with many different materials? most where deathstars. You do know back in the day all you had was Prom and Dyspro, which is nowhere near the amount of tech now. You do know you no longer have to maintain millions of deathstar poses to keep sov? You do realise that you no longer have actually gain sov in every single system? Just saying seeing you are quoting back in the day....
so to round up
Back in the day
10,20,30 Poses to gain sov (in one system)
Haul lots of different materials for fuel
No poses ONLY 1 TCU for Sov
No materials just fuel block
Yep its certainly harder now to gain sov...
I talked to an Evoke director, and he told me a ton of things that made evoke not commit to the war game in Tribute.
The first reason was, as Quesa wrote above, the leaving of three most active and most experienced FCs just a few weeks into the war. A lot of roaming-gang FCs stepped up but you know it takes time to get things running smoothly with new full fleet FCs. The fleets just were not ready for other than meat-shielding. And of course, there was suddenly a lot more responsibility and burden on much fewer guys.
The second reason was, as Vince wrote above, clashes between some NC. diplomats and Evoke leadership. I was explained that there's a lot of trust between the leaders, and there's a lot of goodwill. There just were too many small clashes and a few major ones between a few (one?) NC. diplos and Evoke. (There had even been some resets already earlier because "shit, some people...") But the main sentiment is that you don't erase the long history just because some small shit.
The third reason was Solar, who was frequently attacking (and taking) Evoke sov and tech. With the experienced FCs gone, the few new FCs had to run a lot of fleets just to fight Solar.
Overall, I think that otec played only little part there, maybe it was just an excuse. Maybe they thought they can keep tech and sov. However, internal conflicts between evoke and their recruitment alliance ewoks, as well as conflicts within evoke and within ewoks, led to the leaving of many corps and the decision to gtfo and regroup. I think that they'll be back stronger once the internal turmoil has settled.
Actually, you only needed one POS to claim a system. If said system was under attack, you needed to have tower supremacy to claim or defend it.
Twitter: @WidotVenetianT - RIP Vile Rat.
I like how Vince feels the need to defend his honor against kugutsumen bad posters.
Vince my bro, I know you are welsh dying to be english but just take it like a man and move on
Yo daddy, do you even lift bro?