The Southeast - Wicked Princess And Her Wicked Creek

[StevieTopSiders]

Gather round the fire, children, and let ol' Uncle Remus tell you a tale. There once was a time when all of null-sec was as stagnant as the old bog yonder this here plantation. When all the north squabbled by day but blued up by Tech timer. When all the south complained about capital drops. When all the FC's crowed the merits of 100MN AB Tengus. When all the fatties trumpeted their big plays. When all the posters wept.

It was a sad time; the average Kugu reader had nothing to do but claw his eyes out through two new pages of Delve circlejerk. That, or read up about Niger Legio. and its pet stomping yet another Drake Fleet. Now child, after a man endures enough of that posting, he must rise up. He must create his own content, unshackled by the impending™ Tech rebalance and 30,000-man blue lists. He must move to the South and let grow thoughts of war.

The Players:

Against SOME Authorities
Raiden.
Initiative.
Gentlemen's Agreement
THORN Syndicate
The Retirement Club
Darkside.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Imperial Legion
The Jagged Alliance
The Undockables
Gypsy Band
SOLAR Fleet
Cascade Imminent

The Deal:

Curse is at its boiling point. All TZ's are filled to bursting with small-gang action.

Darkside. rules the RUS on a day-to-day basis, but Gypsy Band and Solar Fleet are not afraid to intervene if they see targets of opportunity.

Raiden. and Init. control Northern Curse by EU, but the Western pipes are oft-camped by smaller corps and alliances.

The struggle will come in USTZ. In the North, The Retirement Club and its allies patrol in their Muninn fleets. Against All Authorities roams in daily, sometimes in coward Tengus, sometimes in man-ships. Gentlemen's Agreement has taken up residence in Hemin, much to the chagrin of the local gatecamp crew. For now, goodfights alone fill the horizon, but once the first Dread is dropped against the first tower, then war will engulf the region like the coals of a cigarette on a pile of year-old newspaper.

Curse will burn. And so will its surroundings. Powers, both old and new, turn their eyes towards the regions of Wicked Creek and Scalding Pass, where Imperial Legion and RANE ready for war.

[Agathor]

Nice op, lets hope it will bring in some new posters from those alliances.

[Stronke]

Amarr Victor!

[Scotch]

That was wonderful!
Bravo!
I loved it!
That was great!
Well, it was pretty good.
Well, It wasn't bad.
There were parts that weren't pretty good, though.
It could've been a lot better.
I didn't really like it.
It was pretty terrible.
It was bad.
It was awful!
Terrible! Eh, boo!

[Opti]

Nice op, lets hope it will bring in some new posters from those alliances.

I have goons and NC covered, no big deal

[Afr1can]

Excellent round-up...

[Malcanis]

The only problem I can see with this roundup is the unexamined assupmtion that there's a sov 0.0 system within 20 jumps of Curse that's worth losing a squad of shit-fit Caracals for.

[Eskalin]

good post stevie.

edit:evidently i had to go with advanced edit to kill the shitty macro

[Zeroniss]

Nice post Stevie. I await with popcorn.

Also I'm ashamed that the name The Undockables has stuck so well for Unthinkables. To think randomly coining it in a moment of hilarity could do so much harm...

I hope these good sirs round up their Ravens and Myrmidon gangs to defend their honour.

[Marivauder]

Son


I am Infract

[Makia Velli]

Nice OP! Let the games begin!! (not the station games they ar ghey).

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[Kanloch]

Nice op, lets hope it will bring in some new posters from those alliances.

Did you read the dronelands thread?

[StevieTopSiders]

Fight against GENTS in their staging system last night.

Doctored BR

I was at a swim meet, but it appears we did pretty well despite being badly out-logi'd. Maybe a GENTS poster (or 401K who's keeping quiet) could write up a BR?

[Zippo]

I popped into local mid fight, so I didn't get in on the games. Looking forward to future engagements.

WTS Riverini's frozen corpse

[Tristan Acoma]

This should make for some fine summer fun. One question about that image, though - is Riverini the tar baby?

[Zeroniss]

Fight against GENTS in their staging system last night.

Doctored BR

I was at a swim meet, but it appears we did pretty well despite being badly out-logi'd. Maybe a GENTS poster (or 401K who's keeping quiet) could write up a BR?

So we formed fleet in LJ- with the purpose in mind to get a fight. A couple of the guys knew Kesper North and Lake and hit them up with convos, to see if GENTS would be interested in a brawl. AlphaStarPilot of Thorn was running this fleet and we managed to form up a decent handful of recons, five scimitars, and a bunch of Muninns... and two retard Ruptures who didn't understand the meaning of "Fly doctrine or fly tacklers".

We got out to Jorund and it looked clear that GENTS were forming to meet us... with CR Tempests and Autocanes. During the course of the discussion somewhere it was decided that the engagement would be no-shooting-FCs. Fair enough. Alpha was there in a Muninn, Lake on the other side for GENTS with a Vulture.

We entered system via gate and set ourselves up just off the station, and soon the fight commenced.

Ordinarily with a fleet like ours this shouldn't have been a contest at all. Shitty barrage damage application and poor tracking would have meant the Muninns would have been gods at the 40-45km range mark, maintaining transversal. Instead we had a situation where the Logi anchor fucked up and burned us too far away, thus rendering reps to tacklers invalid, and alphastar decided to keep us at the 60km mark... which was *barely* within Opti+Falloff range at all. Damage application was shit, Scimitars were not being cleanly alpha'd through, and we switched to killing the Hurricanes and the occasional idiot who burned too close.

Despite losses GENTS began a steady stream of reships, swelling their onfield presence from 50 to 70 and rising. What had started with 5 scimitars rose to 8 (despite their losing 3). Lucian James began spurging to switch ammunition to Titanium Sabot and Tremor (what the actual fuck), and this was briefly tried to hilariously poor effect. At some stage, either due to poor communication or just plain dishonoure, alphastar was called primary, but it was dealt with pretty easily.

We lost a few guys but for the most part it was scrubs who could not anchor on the FC like they were told, or otherwise missed fleetwarps for whatever reason.

Finally we disengaged and left the field... after Riverini returned in a frigate to pop a bunch of wrecks.

GENTS attempted a fail cyno drop on us a few jumps out then tried to chase us with their BS fleet as far as G-0.

Overall it was a fun fleet if a little frustrating. It's a learning experience for a lot of our FCs to see how the Muninns should be run properly. Alphastarpilot is developing as an FC, though he's far from the "one of the best subcap FCs in the game" that Lucian James purports him to be.

I'd give last nights engagement a solid 6/10. Fun, would do again.

How is that for a BR, Stevie?

[srly]

I'm really happy to see that something is happening in curse. I always imagined curse like the middle west, there is always new groups fighting just for the fun of it (also dramiel bpcs) as opposed to syndicate which is the equivalent of an urban getto where youre gonna get stabbed and raped by thugs who need the crackmoney fast. In curse there is a good chance that you'll get curbstomped by one of the once-a-sov-holder, now a small-mid gang alliance, and a small gang fight is almost guaranteed, whereas in syindicate 15+ gangs are blobs.

As for the -A- side of the fights, I think its sadly lacking content, since we are tied up in delve, AB-ing around shit and not jumping in, but i sincerely hope that we'll get around to curse as well, since I had the most fun in my eve career in that region.

edit: Why is Molle credited? Has he ever logs in, or just because of the everlasting e-fame?

[Elo]

wts muninn lessons

[indet]

My Oh My What a Wonderful Day!!

First off, I burned logis out of range (accidentially ofc) as my tactical overview amounted to a massive white disk in game and I was having trouble as a result. It cost us little at that time and I was schooled by Lucian. No Big Deal.

Second, Curse has been mayhem all week and we have been loving it. Haters gonna hate.

Lastly, it's now THORN Alliance and not just THORN Syndicate.

PS: Hi Elo, how's Nairu? And no.

[vigilanta]

i wasnt even aware half these alliances had relocated to curse, I shall begin repenting now for my lack of observation of a place 2 regions away :/

[Harvey]

I don't even know where to start with this shit. Most confusing thing is all this talk of lessons learned every time your handicapped FC's/troopers do stupid shit. I thought you were vets , I thought evol had been around for ever? How can you all still be this bad?

[Yoji]

In before PL go's : "we want small gang GF also", moves to Curse, loses, start dropping supers, crys about "why you dont fight our small gang and supers"

Seriously, curse is RockanRolling

[Lake]

Stevie -

Looks like you managed to find one of the killmails with less unrelated stuff in the related than most. I wish we could put start/end time limits on EK BRs. All the bullshit in Hemin means even the BRDoc version is listing mails from 22:32 to 04:53. One of our guys found a mail that made a BR with somewhat less clutter but it excludes 7 of your dudes that I'm pretty sure where there and still has one of our dudes derping a Rapier hours earlier.

But then EK doesn't even let you list all the mails in order in one list, nevermind basic timeline functionality. All the silly crap on there so people can point to K ratios or ISK ratios with some imagined authority and so little illustration of the actual story of events. Bah, enough ranting about KBs.

Zeroniss -

Thanks for the BR. It's just about as accurate as a BR from the other side (or indeed one's own) ever is. In fact I'm going to quote it on our own forums because I ended up posting about other stuff instead of writing a BR last night.

During the course of the discussion somewhere it was decided that the engagement would be no-shooting-FCs. Fair enough. Alpha was there in a Muninn, Lake on the other side for GENTS with a Vulture.
...snip...
At some stage, either due to poor communication or just plain dishonoure, alphastar was called primary, but it was dealt with pretty easily.

Heh, this is the first I've heard of such an agreement. They tend to work better when the FCs know about them, but it's something I tend not to do anyway, along with 'honor fights' and the like in general. Though for what it's worth I didn't focus on him for being an FC, and honestly don't remember calling him. Presumably I just thought he'd make a decent primary at the time. Given that he lived I seem to have been wrong.

I did, however, throw away a couple of canes trying to kill Tounsi and Riverini's early death may or may not have been due to him being your only Curse.

GENTS attempted a fail cyno drop on us a few jumps out then tried to chase us with their BS fleet as far as G-0.

:ughh: Ya. I gave people too much time to resupply in station and when I saw it was too late just bridged anyway since it wasn't that far home. We kept going when someone snagged an unrelated Init Merc 'Phoon in G-0.

Overall it was a fun fleet if a little frustrating...

Ah but the fun is in the frustration. Our comms were rolling with laughter during a particular sequence of especially comical warping for position. And if we weren't forced to deal with logi reps the fights wouldn't last nearly so long nor be so intricate (and in the pre-logi days they weren't).

...would do again.

And so would I. However, as you may have discovered tonight, we're not here to serve you up a fight just because you ask nicely. Though apparently you don't always ask nicely...

starpilotalpha > cmon guys
starpilotalpha > get us
starpilotalpha > u noobs
starpilotalpha > ahah
starpilotalpha > burning back for the titan

As it happened we had other business to attend to just then. Heh, speaking of killboard deficiency, I get why the Sabre shows up on the wrong side (he's on the Curse) but that Zealot amongst the Vagabonds died exclusively to GENTS and isn't on any kills so I'm at a loss.

[LadelTeravada]

I really don't recognize this Curse you're speaking of. We roamed there just a month ago and all that happened then was that RaidenDOT hotdropped you every 2-3 jumps. Has it changed this much? Would a 20 man gang be effective in Curse again or is it back to 50+?

[Zeroniss]

Cheers for the writeup Lake. I think the No-FC-shooting was an agreement between Kesper and alpha, it may not have filtered through to you *doesn't really matter anyway*.

I think the real highlight of this fight was the fact that it went on for 40 fucking minutes with so few losses on either side lol.

Yeah we had a choice of targets for last nights roam (I was FC this time around), and we figured we'd find out if you guys wanted a rematch. Ignore alphastar's taunts, he's an adolescent and not old enough to vote yet anyway

We're around every night, give me a shout if you wanna arrange something. Heck we'd even be up for a frigate brawl or something if you guys wanna go old school for some hilarity

Ladel: I'm not sure what Raiden are up to these days. We only really hotdrop gatecamps and plexing carriers :P If you roll through with a gang and give us a few to form I'm sure we'll oblige a fight. We're in LJ-YSW, next door to Init. and Raiden.

[indet]

Wow. Look at Harvey, STILL mad up in Brick.

And yes, the BR from Sunday was a mess. I picked through it and counted some ships. From my FHC summary:

34 kills on the THORN board: 7 RF Firetails, 4 Tempest, 10 canes, 5 scimis with a cpl rifters and a muninn thrown in.
5 losses including Raptor, Ishkur, Rifter, Muninn, Huginn.

Retirement club lost Sabre, Falcon, Scimi, 2 muninn, crow, hound, 2 rupture, curse
Init/IM had a scimi with us as well, he died.

A 20-man gang would do fine in Curse. Just not all the time.

[Harvey]

Wow. Look at Harvey, STILL mad up in Brick.

And yes, the BR from Sunday was a mess. I picked through it and counted some ships. From my FHC summary:



A 20-man gang would do fine in Curse. Just not all the time.

You faggots are still talking about one arranged fight over nothing Involving only 100 guys. It's just gay and not thread worthy. Curse is not thread worthy.

[Rer]

You faggots are still talking about one arranged fight over nothing Involving only 100 guys. It's just gay and not thread worthy. Curse is not thread worthy.

Seemed like a decent read to me given the other shit going on right now, but please continue bitching about what's thread worthy as you continue to provide no content yourself vOv

[Harvey]

Seemed like a decent read to me given the other shit going on right now, but please continue bitching about what's thread worthy as you continue to provide no content yourself vOv

Well the tech war that has started in gem is pretty content rich and relevant I think. But as you can see I'm not eloquent enough to fill you in about it. I can only shit on shit n shit

[indet]

You faggots are still talking about one arranged fight over nothing Involving only 100 guys. It's just gay and not thread worthy. Curse is not thread worthy.

Go stomp your feet in Stain while your alliance dies, again.

Edit - This can't be the real harvey...unironically giving people shit about a useless ~good fight~ and boasting about his Tech Holdings after refusing, for months, to participate in his alliance ops in Devle and Curse.

[Zippo]

At some point I'm betting Gents is gonna bro up with Raiden. There is no reason for them to fight each other again, but there is a mutual benefit to bro'ing up

[StevieTopSiders]

I don't even know where to start with this shit. Most confusing thing is all this talk of lessons learned every time your handicapped FC's/troopers do stupid shit. I thought you were vets , I thought evol had been around for ever? How can you all still be this bad?

I hear you're relatively furious that we all left your shitty region. In other news, make some thread worthy post about tackling supers and batphoning and still getting no kills. Sounds like a good read m8 o7 B)

[Harvey]

Go stomp your feet in Stain while your alliance dies, again.

Edit - This can't be the real harvey...unironically giving people shit about a useless ~good fight~ and boasting about his Tech Holdings after refusing, for months, to participate in his alliance ops in Devle and Curse.

Apparently I was a one man counter-offensive in delve. Wtf did you do other than get camped into a station and cry "we need a holiday to curse, this is killing the alliance" . Seems you are holidaying in curse forever now. I hope it's fun but we don't need to know about every small gang roam/arena fight you failures have.

I hope that answers your question about my legitimacy

[Nemes]

Stop making poor Harvey read posts he doesn't want to read in the threads he doesn't want to exist by people he doesn't like.
...
Stop controlling his forum experience?
...
I got nothing.



Harvey stop being a bitch.

[Harvey]

I hear you're relatively furious that we all left your shitty region. In other news, make some thread worthy post about tackling supers and batphoning and still getting no kills. Sounds like a good read m8 o7 B)

Stevie you've made an elaborate thread about failscading to NPC 0.0 and resorting to arranged fights FC'd by 15yr old with a stammer.
Confirming tackling supers ,batphoning and still not killing anything is worse than not tackling anything, instead asking people nicely to undock and not shoot your handicapped FC's.

Also you are shit.

[Kovacs]

My Oh My What a Wonderful Day!!

...and I was schooled by Lucian [James]. No Big Deal.

I <3 this thread already.

[Kanloch]

Cheers for the writeup Lake. I think the No-FC-shooting was an agreement between Kesper and alpha, it may not have filtered through to you *doesn't really matter anyway*.

Haha holy fuck are you serious? People agree to stupid shit like this?

[Afr1can]

Haha holy fuck are you serious? People agree to stupid shit like this?

PL approved.

[Solar Fleet Best Fleet]

Making a new thread with the same posters isn't going to improve the discussion.

As evident by the above sperging.

[Doctor Fail]

Stevie you've made an elaborate thread about failscading to NPC 0.0 and resorting to arranged fights FC'd by 15yr old with a stammer.
Confirming tackling supers ,batphoning and still not killing anything is worse than not tackling anything, instead asking people nicely to undock and not shoot your handicapped FC's.

Also you are shit.

Do you get paid to troll? Your quite good at it. Now go back to your bridge.

[Securitas]

Stevie you've made an elaborate thread about failscading to NPC 0.0 and resorting to arranged fights FC'd by 15yr old with a stammer.
Confirming tackling supers ,batphoning and still not killing anything is worse than not tackling anything, instead asking people nicely to undock and not shoot your handicapped FC's.

Also you are shit.

Harvey you sound like the angry people from CFC & NC back when I would post Concordiat battle reports.

That is not a good thing.

[Kesper North]

Cheers for the writeup Lake. I think the No-FC-shooting was an agreement between Kesper and alpha, it may not have filtered through to you *doesn't really matter anyway*.

Yeah, this is pretty much my bad; I mentioned that you guys were requesting a "don't shoot the FC" agreement on CC, but I think I got stepped on, and a few seconds later we were fighting. Welp. Looks like alpha survived anyway.

A few notes on this fight from my perspective:

We never had more than 5 scimitars at any one time; some of those eight are people who died and came back in scimis (who should have been in scimis in the first place - and yes, I was one of those, derp). Our scimi count went as low as 3 at some points in the fight, and quite a few of our losses took place during those periods. This is, in fact, Not Enough Scimis by our standards, and we usually get more than that. Not really sure what happened there, but I know I'll be starting the next fight in a Scimi.

We were also pretty far short on numbers during the first few minutes of the fight, and we lost a lot during this time without killing much due to a lack of DPS. I honestly didn't expect Lake to engage with what we had, but you could tell from his voice that he was eager to have a brawl, and I was really happy when he decided to say "fuck it" and brought us in. In retrospect, I think our feeling about that fight can be summed up thusly: It was a fight we had no business getting into... but we wouldn't have missed it for anything.

:madprops: to 401K and THORN for ~good fights~ and ~chill posting~.

[Harvey]

Do you get paid to troll? Your quite good at it. Now go back to your bridge.

I'm all business, no troll, cold hard facts and deadhand wanks

[Midori Tsu]

I'm all business, no troll, cold hard facts and deadhand wanks

If you aren't trolling, you sure are making damn good job of making a fool of yourself.

[Kanloch]

Yeah, this is pretty much my bad; I mentioned that you guys were requesting a "don't shoot the FC" agreement on CC, but I think I got stepped on, and a few seconds later we were fighting. Welp. Looks like alpha survived anyway.

When the enemy FC is some retarded 15 year old trying to bargain his way out of losing his ship and then shit talking in local your dudes are probably going to want to primary him anyway.

[Harvey]

If you aren't trolling, you sure are making damn good job of making a fool of yourself.

how so ?

[penifSMASH]

I remember one or two weeks ago in another thread where people were saying that Curse sucked and there was nothing going on there. Then Stevie posts some dumb thread where 2/3 of "The Players" never even step foot in the region and no fights happen except for meaningless prearranged 90 man fleet fights FCed by EVE's castaways. It's a good attempt at trying to bring people into the region by pretending something is happening, but it's just easier and more honest to admit that your alliance has failed and cannot hack it anywhere else in the EVE universe.

[Hilmar Keller]

I remember one or two weeks ago in another thread where people were saying that Curse sucked and there was nothing going on there. Then Stevie posts some dumb thread where 2/3 of "The Players" never even step foot in the region and no fights happen except for meaningless prearranged 90 man fleet fights FCed by EVE's castaways. It's a good attempt at trying to bring people into the region by pretending something is happening, but it's just easier and more honest to admit that your alliance has failed and cannot hack it anywhere else in the EVE universe.

Oh sorry for a minute there I thought you were talking about Providence

[indet]

So much butthurt about other people? having fun in EVE. How has it come to this guys?

[Atropos]

At some point I'm betting Gents is gonna bro up with Raiden. There is no reason for them to fight each other again, but there is a mutual benefit to bro'ing up

I'll be the first to admit I'm ignorant about EVE politics, but I don't see this happening as Raiden and Init are busy being BFFs, and Init isn't particularly fond of Gents last I heard. Then again, there are never EVER fucked up standings-triangles in EVE. Ever.