U'K (D'K) in need of friends so badly that they will let Tarac Nor back into the fold?
U'K (D'K) in need of friends so badly that they will let Tarac Nor back into the fold?
Haha this Tarac guy seems great, constantly screwing over the guys he most recently helped. Truly a posterchild for NRSI.
Does he still play?
This whole thing just looks like a plea for attention now. The guy hopefully isn't giving back the ISK he took?
I don't think U'K controlled all of Provi, the grind would only have been a fraction of the amount.
but don't let reality get in the way of making a point
Are you guys planning on re using the Ushra'khan name or continue with the new?
Either way, this is an opportunity to refocus U'K/D'K (i might just use *'K from here on), and to get people back to the things they truly loved. We will not be leaving Provi, or moving away from our RP based objectives, but there may well be other changes in the day to day activities the alliance was involved in that will keep things fun :-)
In reality, there may be shifts of focus from time to time, or specific areas that we operate in, but the ultimate objective doesnt change that much. Fight the Amarr empire, fight those that actively endorse the principles of the Amarr empire (CVA for example), and punish those that seek to work with the Amarr for personal profit (those that run missions/rat in Amarr space, and thereby ultimately doing the work of the empire). We arent a horde of raving RP'ers, not by a long shot, but it is something that gives us direction in an otherwise unscripted universe. We know who are enemies are, and always have something coming up on the radar to keep us busy.
In the case of Providence, it wasnt a case of arbitrarily wanting to destroy those that moved in, it was that they were associated with the CVA, a different RP based alliance who clearly chose to be on the opposite side of the battlefield to U'K. The old Holders were working with CVA, and whether they paid any interest to RP or not, this meant that their continuation in that region was not acceptable to our RP principles. The fact we also got to take back our traditional base of operations (9UY) was an extra bonus, but it was the elimination of slavers that was the ultimate goal.
In the recent events, I think the resolve shown by the Provi residents is really beyond criticism. Sure, there were some dodgy ships fielded, and a few bad tactical calls, but people were committed to resolving the issues that had come up within the region they now consider home. As such, they were bound to be determined and to put the time/effort into getting the job done.
I see a lot of swearing in your postings tonight Butters. Day not going to well?
e: He just having a bad day Kriegherr
It shows friend. <3
Edit: Or is it ReallyMatter? Yeah I think it is.
At any rate it's good to hear that CVA didn't support him.
It's just interesting being on the other side of the fence. If I was to talk to myself a year ago (when I was in Razor), I can imagine leaving the conversation with the impression that Razor Phreeze was a deluded twit who bought too much into the party line.
Back in the day, there was this impression within Razor that we were some sort of elite pvp alliance along the lines of PL (who suck as well but in a more entertaining manner), and that really was never the case. Razor is a second tier alliance that succeeds because of a massive amount of allies to do heavy lifting, and a playerbase that blindly presses f1 and flies what they are told. This makes them better than alot of people (since flying shit setups is what differentiates alliances), but you'll never see innovation from them. They are strictly ripoff artists when it comes to tactics. The exception was Ernest Graefenberg but he very rarely plays anymore, if at all.
So to wrap it up, when I see Razor fagging provi in armor hacs for easy kills instead of fighting a war, I tend to feel like its a consequence of a slow decline that started in Querious and snowballed in Geminate.
(Or alliance warfare has just become so gay that it's not worth it at all, which is probably a more likely conclusion, but won't generate as much sperging and in depth conversation as the rest of my post. )
Pretty much, and other than a couple -A- HAC gangs, it was done primarily with the new provi pets acting as a bloc without poppas help. I thought the taking of U'K's alliance would do a bit more to dislodge things a bit, but nothing really changed. It illustrates both the number of people they've been able to cram into Provi and how weak CVA and bloc have become. With Core Factor flipping the bird and wigging out, as well as their other "holders" being weak garbage, CVA really needs to take a look at how they run things. They will never see sov-holding status again without dropping the "holders" garbage and forming a secondary non-RP alliance to recruit non-RP allies into. They've just lost too many allied pilots by continuing to work with weak and unpredictable alliance leaders who leave at the first slight or sign of adversity.In the recent events, I think the resolve shown by the Provi residents is really beyond criticism. Sure, there were some dodgy ships fielded, and a few bad tactical calls, but people were committed to resolving the issues that had come up within the region they now consider home. As such, they were bound to be determined and to put the time/effort into getting the job done.
Props to the new provi pets, they handled a bad situation far better than expected.
By these standards, Atlas actually fits the definition of a pet more than the residents of Providence because they are currently in need of -A- and Init's help to beat back the Russians. Yet no one calls them pets because they are bigger and have more space. Fortunately for Providence holders, it's not the size of your alliance or the amount of space you control that makes you a pet or not, it's the attitude of those in power.
Contrast this description and the scenarios related to the game's most famous pets, Atlas renters, mainly imploding in Atlas's absence and you have the textbook definition of a pet.
Providence is filled with pets. When you have to check off an agreement with a larger entity to have space, you're a pet. You check off that you will not contest the sov of your pet neighbors without permission, and you are not allowed to partner with unapproved entities and be allowed to hold your space. Open your stations to CVA, the NC, It Alliance, Hydra, Brick Squad or the like to use in order to assault your neighbors and watch what happens. You are a pet of a larger entity, you have some freedoms but do not confuse that with the total freedom. Hence, you're a pet.
Deal with it.
The term is well-suited for alliances installed into their space as a source of kills, though. It is not in -A-'s interests to stifle the growth of the new Providence alliances. It is in their interests to let them grow and prosper. It is also in their interests to have their average member believe themselves to be independent and ignore the fact that they are living in an aquarium. That's pretty much how they handled Old Providence. But of course, unlike Old Providence, the leadership of these new entities realizes their position and won't rattle their cages.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
While I am just a guy who shows up in CTAs to fight, there definitely was a lot more that could have been called in had it been needed. But it wasn't.
As for criticism of Butterdog, yeah, I too think sometimes he's a bad CAOD troll, but I gotta tell you, he's awesome in a fleet. Solid fighter.
Not just RZR or NC but every alliance who prefers SOV wars. the whole thing about paying Concord for sov is a joke really. Even if you win the war and with all the isk spent on just having the fights to also start paying the monthly bill makes you ask yourself what did we really win?
Lag is a major factor as well. being part of the NC during Max II was fun for a bit but felt like bullshit at the same time with the grid loading issues, lag,mods jamming, up to 5 minutes delay on a warp command up to an hour to log in if you even ever did sometimes. it just was not fun after a few weeks tbh I could not wait for the SC to go home.
And also being in RZR during your time the Elite thing was more on you not knocking you or anything i had a blast in your fleets but all the drama and attitude was umm well cause of you.lol
Not that it was a bad thing but being in RZR before you as well, elite was never part of it they always seemed to be more about being able to grind down the other side so it was a no nonsense nuts and bolts approach, to Sov war. and since 98% of EVE is about Drakes and Shit fit Battleships RZR has and will always do well. The Elite attitude and people who want to feel that have moved on and such. Ive been out since MAX II and saw good things in the direction that RZR was going for and i liked it but this game is just in a shit condition and i am now a part time sub at best. I wanted to bail after all those damn Turkey shoots in Gem but had a little faith left in CCP. but thats gone now.
As for RZR in Provi gotta give them Props for roaming non blob style just with RZR palyers just having fun and pissing off the locals. Hydra as well for the LOLs and drama CVA? i still have no idea and the provi block its good to see people able to start having fun in this broken hunk of shit game tbh Provi actually got interesting for a bit and that has not happen in years lol
The problem with arguments such as these is that they presume, as Hammereds mentioned before, that -A- has some sort of massive stranglehold over Providence. It is true that -A- likes having the New Providence alliances there for targets. However, the Providence alliances all knew, accepted, and were amicable to that fact upon entrance into Providence. CO2 has recently reset just about all of their previous temp-blues. Agony and BDEAL have also done their own resets.Originally Posted by HandofSatan
Riddle me this: if the New Provi alliances are all pets because they are in a region that -A- views as favorable because of an abundance of targets, does that mean that if Bobby Atlas follows Czech Lion's advice and allows the Russians and overwhelm Insmother, Wicked Creek, and Scalding Pass, that they are now Atlas pets because Bobby has allowed a target rich environment to exist at his doorstep? Obviously not, because the definition isn't suitable. You might say that it's different because the Russians fought for their space. This point isn't really relevant, however, considering that New Providence alliances did the exact same thing just now without the aid of -A-. Shit, if -A- aid were what determined pet status, then that would mean that Atlas were pets of -A- for having batphoned them to fight the Russians.
As far as the question of whether or not the unacceptability of aligning with Hydra or CVA confers pet status, this definition also seems equally silly. The New Providence alliances have some allies, but are mostly on "friendly-neutral" terms with each other. If one of those entities were to suddenly throw their lot in with CVA, as Opticon did, announce that they no longer honor what it was the group stands for, wouldn't any right-minded entity perceive that as an act of hostility and want the threat immediately removed? We entered Providence on a pact -- if someone breaks the pact, we have every reason to try to remove them from Providence. Likewise, if I were to marry a woman and then she cheats on me, I have every right to divorce her. To suggest that I don't have such a right lest others say I consider her as docile to me, or my "pet" as it applies to this case, is clearly absurd.
What I mostly see coming out of discussions like these, however, is absolutely nothing because the parties involved are not willing to consider something like the NIP, a new and innovative idea that tries to circumvent the boringness of sov warfare and still maintain the benefits of owning space and fighting in 0.0, as having merit.
The problem here is not whether the provi people are pets. No one knows what "pet" means. The way some people here use the word "pet" is pretty much equivalent to "friend". It would be better for everyone involved if people would stop being upset about being called "pet" ... there is nothing to be gained about a discussion on whether someone is or is not a pet.
Just go with "wrong, we're NC pets" next time someone brings that up or something.
P.S. Don't get me wrong, I don't think C02 or any other Provi alliance are terrible people for accepting -A-'s offer or anything. I just think it's unhealthy for the game.
Oh, and you're right, you except for U'K providence dwellers aren't pets but -A-'s cattle and deer.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.