BOD failures

[Ceylon]

>>>>
Most coalation people understand how lag works, and bob understand how lag works. Both sides know how to minimise lag, and a lot of coalation people do so.
>>>

And a lot of BoB enemies before the Coalition knew about it too. Still there have been several "glorious BoB victories" with high kill-death rations even back then, despite BoB enemies using the same methods to minimze lag and quickly relog.

That leaves some ugly possibilities, which once again have nothing to do with in-game mechanics. The more common theories are:

1) people messing with server settings and kicking IPs (which implies inside help for BoB from amongst the staff of CCP ... not that THAT could ever happen ;-P )

2) BoB pilots using external cheat programs for speed-log on and other things

Those theories have been discussed to death on EVE-O forum.

BoBs track record for "creative" use of EVE mechanics and inside connections within CCP transform otherwise ridiculous theories into possible scenarios. Again - a sad state of affairs in EVE.

Have fun

[DEVstructive Influence]

I think it is you who have been selective. You have probably only read what people like Liquid have posted and assumed it is true.

no

The logs I read show the leadership saying they didnt have a clue about.

not only. read further

I am popping popcorn now awaiting your answer. It is obvious you are not a native english speaker. Perhaps you have misread posts such as those saying "I dont understand how BoB doesnt lag while I do" to be factual.

ok, lets ask other ppl

BoB players lag too, they are just told to stop whining about it and not petition losses due to it. Basically, they are told to move on and get another ship because EVE lags. Give us some PROOF, not speculation.

And what u consider a proof?

When Cyvok and Mcreedy started those posts I asked for some fraps/screenshots as I have in all the other threads on here stating what you are stating. It is quite funny that noone has the brains to fraps this for the rest of EVE to see they are telling the truth. Of course, when the audience you are addressing never needs proof other than hearsay that they repeat as facts.

Think about what you are saying. CCP has coded a game that says "Any player in the BOB alliance gets a lag free experience while those without get tons of lag." You seriously believe this?

I think Ceylon summerized well, what I wanted to say. I agree with him 100%

[Ceylon]

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It is quite funny that noone has the brains to fraps this for the rest of EVE to see they are telling the truth
>>>>

Frapsing a black log on screen is not very helpful, neh ?

Have fun

[eve3007]

Well heres one way; Making sure that they are coming into the grid. Those coming onto a grid get priority and the opposition will get more lag. Thats why if someone jumps in on BOD they run like hell.

And yes they got that particular little titbit of information from.. T20.

Of course those with such vast experiance would have far more ways to generate lag that that. Just like they could shoot through POS shields despite denying it even when presented with Fraps evidance.

[edit] oh look, Urfunny on que looking for evidence to ignore. And that crash and the Bob fleet appearing on the gate shooting people as they log in 1 by 1 was reported several times not only by ASCN but by goonswarm in the 4 days you were fighting them trying and failing to help LV. And actually its a recurring theme when you guys come on the table.

If I remember Cyvok describing it correctly he said You lot typicly split into 2 groupls. Your frigs would jump into the system and jump out rapidly several times. ASCN would scramble to intercept ansd then your entire fleet would come in. Node would immediatly crash and when the node came back up your entire fleet would be on the gate waiting for ascn coming in one by one. BOB even released a video of it in a vid called ASCN your time has come and then wondered why people didn't think there was great skill involved in poping people as they came in one by one.

And anyway how do you fraps a node crash? Fraps would stop recording when the node goes down as you very well know. Once again you stick yourself on a pedistal for non existant reasons. But then we all know what your pedistal is made from.

People jumping in get priorty after a node crash. So when ascn jumped in, they had priority. When goons 300 jumped in, they had priority. In both case's they were massacred because they lacked discipline.

Just because you have priority, it does not mean anything if you are alt tabbing to a dvd movie while downloading something from kazaa or torrents. Or saying on TS that you have tried to log in 20 times - thus going to the back of the queue each time.

Because yes - During that very ASCN battle - There were people doing the above.

But wait - bob did a lagh4x to lag themselves out and give priority to those jumping in? Goodness. Even with the advantage in lag if you guys cannot beat bob, then the war is already over.

Now what you are saying is that CYVOK said that bob split into two groups and frigs constantly jump in and out? How did they do this when ascn was jumping into them? How did frigs come into killmails if they were jumping in/out due to agression? During the fraps of the goon 300 vs bob - I saw no frigs jump in or out. I even looked at fraps of ASCN battles - again no frigs jumping in and out.

In fact - I cannot see any fraps of frigs jumping in or out to crash a node ever. Mythbusted.

[urfunny]

And yes they got that particular little titbit of information from.. T20.

[edit] oh look, Urfunny on que looking for evidence to ignore. And that crash and the Bob fleet appearing on the gate shooting people as they log in 1 by 1 was reported several times not only by ASCN but by goonswarm in the 4 days you were fighting them trying and failing to help LV. And actually its a recurring theme when you guys come on the table.

Link to where T20 told them about a way to lag a system and win?

POS shooting through shields has been discussed over and over. The same people keep bringing it up and repeating it as what they want to believe. Did you watch the video? I suppose the Titan didnt get smartbombed either. There was also a titan in F-T. Stop reading stuff on EVEO and repeating it as fact without doing a little research.

Link to goonswarm reporting the same things cyvok did, please?

If I remember Cyvok describing it correctly he said You lot typicly split into 2 groupls. Your frigs would jump into the system and jump out rapidly several times. ASCN would scramble to intercept ansd then your entire fleet would come in. Node would immediatly crash and when the node came back up your entire fleet would be on the gate waiting for ascn coming in one by one. BOB even released a video of it in a vid called ASCN your time has come and then wondered why people didn't think there was great skill involved in poping people as they came in one by one.

And anyway how do you fraps a node crash? Fraps would stop recording when the node goes down as you very well know. Once again you stick yourself on a pedistal for non existant reasons. But then we all know what your pedistal is made from.

No, fraps of these frigates jumping in over and over to crash a node. Surely he has them. Just ask him to post them and see what kind of reply you get. Please remember this is the same guy who said they WOULD crash a node to win. You are going to take him at his word? If so, you are easier than I thought. The video wasnt about skill. It was about the ability to follow orders and stay tactically sound. ASCN didnt. ASCN lost.

>>>>
Most coalation people understand how lag works, and bob understand how lag works. Both sides know how to minimise lag, and a lot of coalation people do so.
>>>

And a lot of BoB enemies before the Coalition knew about it too. Still there have been several "glorious BoB victories" with high kill-death rations even back then, despite BoB enemies using the same methods to minimze lag and quickly relog.

That leaves some ugly possibilities, which once again have nothing to do with in-game mechanics. The more common theories are:

1) people messing with server settings and kicking IPs (which implies inside help for BoB from amongst the staff of CCP ... not that THAT could ever happen ;-P )

2) BoB pilots using external cheat programs for speed-log on and other things

Those theories have been discussed to death on EVE-O forum.

BoBs track record for "creative" use of EVE mechanics and inside connections within CCP transform otherwise ridiculous theories into possible scenarios. Again - a sad state of affairs in EVE.

Have fun

LOL. CCP cant fix the camera resetting on each jump in but they can make some nasty program that checks everyone in a region's IP and throw a lag burst onto their connection. You guys are hilarious.

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It is quite funny that noone has the brains to fraps this for the rest of EVE to see they are telling the truth
>>>>

Frapsing a black log on screen is not very helpful, neh ?

Have fun

No, of the fact that the node crashed and when they logged IMMEDIATELY back in, which has been said over and over by those that are crying HAX, and 300 BoB are on the gate ready and waiting. Those fraps. Can you imagine the repercussions of someone posting that? I can. I wonder why noone frapsed it in all those times it happened? Weird stuff.

[bringdapain]

I better fire up the tin-mine. Some hats need a-makin.

[BOBISCAUGHT]

Those fraps. Can you imagine the repercussions of someone posting that? I can. I wonder why noone frapsed it in all those times it happened? Weird stuff.

#1 They couldn't log on to Frap's it?
#2 They got WTFPWNED so fast they couldn't hit the frap's button before they were in a station?

It is Common knowledge that BOD have a second logon screen up and ready to go in those type of battle situation's so Why are you denying it?

[fedex]

I better fire up the tin-mine. Some hats need a-makin.

you idiots were saying the same thing before the dev issue was proven and ramed up your collective asses. you can try that "tinfoil" shit on eve-o, it don't work here

[Liquid Vision]

I don't think there is anything so outrageous as BOB using outside means to create lag for others and speed themselves up. However, anyone that thinks T20 wasn't passing along crucial information (like knowing that the server gives priority to those jumping in over the defenders and things like that) about game mechanics is out of their mind.

BOB has been using shady game mechanics for awhile now and in fact, they pride themselves on it. Just like they pride themselves on hacking other folks' TS and playing metagame bullshit w/ everyone and being complete assholes to everyone they meet that doesn't bow down and suck their winkies like their pets do. I suppose you could chalk this all up to BOB just being super smart/lucky/whatever and finding all these funny bugs and things (like shooting people through POS shields w/ passive targeters..) OR, you could come to a more reasonable conclusion and figure out that they had some insider info the rest of us didn't. If this was the stock market the SEC would have thrown their ass in jail long ago.

I will say that it IS interesting how many times BOB fleet battles have been associated w/ node crashes, etc. It's one thing if BOB is going up against 3000 Coalition members and the node borks itself. . .but I believe this has happened many a time when the numbers were much lower. Tho. . .I have no DIRECT proof of this so, according to d0ri5's logic it must be absolutely false. I guess he's an atheist too....

[eve3007]

Just like they pride themselves on hacking other folks' TS and playing metagame bullshit w/ everyone and being complete assholes

So you are moaning about metagaming on a website that has the best metagaming content in the whole world?

Surely such a moan is a metagaming element in itself, thus completing an oxymoron. You are aware that the TS hacking and all the stupid stuff was actually done mostly by goons? I.E jump into a fleet battle channel and start farting or playing music etc etc.

But anyhow, lets make this simple. The vast majority of battles vs bob are lag free. Bob seem to win small gang warfare.

Its when the super blob vs bob happens that those who lack the discipline are the side that will lose. Lets not bullshit here - We all know what was said on TS - people logging off and re-logging back in 20 times a minute, some guys alt-tabing to watch a dvd movie and many other busy downloading torrents etc.

But in fact - lets just pretend that bob have some secret lag hack. This will soften the blow when people ask why could the coalation not defeat a single bob fleet in all the months this war has started.

[Steele]

When 90 bob take on 300 goons and win without a goon killing a single bob (apart from a interceptor that warps to a pos) that looks to me as goons getting their asses handed to them. The goons, with help from RA, have taken over space, but the real fun now beguins when we can see if they can hold it!

show me the fucking killboards to prove it or shut up. Thats utter crap and you know it.

[eve3007]

show me the fucking killboards to prove it or shut up. Thats utter crap and you know it.

Chooo Chooo...... here comes the clue train.... Last stop is you!

Date - 11th march. Location C3- Check killboards. What a massacre. 292kills on bob killboard. Not a single bob was killed by the 292 gang (gang was bigger, but many logoffskied, lets just say that nobody logoffskied, and only 292 in gang).

Now before you say "OMg B0D Dont post l055es", Here is the fraps

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Rex/C3-_Battle.wmv

Thats right - the entire goon gang could not kill a single bob.

Oh wait - Now you are going to say that was photoshopped?

Now my friend, who should shut the fuck up? Thats the problem - You guys are in denial. There are many moer battles where bob vs 2 or 3 to 1 odds. And bob won every fleet battle so far.

[Liquid Vision]

Chooo Chooo...... here comes the clue train.... Last stop is you!

Date - 11th march. Location C3- Check killboards. What a massacre. 292kills on bob killboard. Not a single bob was killed by the 292 gang (gang was bigger, but many logoffskied, lets just say that nobody logoffskied, and only 292 in gang).

Now before you say "OMg B0D Dont post l055es", Here is the fraps

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Rex/C3-_Battle.wmv

Thats right - the entire goon gang could not kill a single bob.

Oh wait - Now you are going to say that was photoshopped?

Now my friend, who should shut the fuck up? Thats the problem - You guys are in denial. There are many moer battles where bob vs 2 or 3 to 1 odds. And bob won every fleet battle so far.

They have 3 Titans you fuckstick. If they didn't win fleet battles I'd be amazed. I think the real person in denial is you. You keep bringing up shit that happened over a month ago and ignore the shit that is going down today, like BOB getting raped in 9-9.

Again. . .it is SO obvious that those 300 Goon losses affected them dramatically.

[eve3007]

They have 3 Titans you fuckstick. If they didn't win fleet battles I'd be amazed. I think the real person in denial is you. You keep bringing up shit that happened over a month ago and ignore the shit that is going down today, like BOB getting raped in 9-9.

Again. . .it is SO obvious that those 300 Goon losses affected them dramatically.

Clue train coming - You did see that out of the 292, only 80 were doomsdayed?

Try harder next time. 212 of the gang were not doomsdaysed.

The goon lossed DID effect them - now the logoffski when bob jump ion system

[Ceylon]

>>>>
Those fraps. Can you imagine the repercussions of someone posting that? I can. I wonder why noone frapsed it in all those times it happened? Weird stuff.
>>>>

Yes, i can imagine the boredom in the faces of people as they watch a fraps which consists of 80 % black log on screen and 20 % watching a pod in a station after cloning.

You cannot fraps a battle you never saw as your ship was massacred during log on while you did not see anything, could not activate any module, could not target any enemy, could not receive nor send orders.

Its hard to coordinate and focus fire on a black screen. Just in case you ever wondered why people "dont have discipline" and for fucks sake "cant focus fire".

Have fun

[eve3007]

>>>>
Those fraps. Can you imagine the repercussions of someone posting that? I can. I wonder why noone frapsed it in all those times it happened? Weird stuff.
>>>>

Yes, i can imagine the boredom in the faces of people as they watch a fraps which consists of 80 % black log on screen and 20 % watching a pod in a station after cloning.

You cannot fraps a battle you never saw as your ship was massacred during log on while you did not see anything, could not activate any module, could not target any enemy, could not receive nor send orders.

Its hard to coordinate and focus fire on a black screen. Just in case you ever wondered why people "dont have discipline" and for fucks sake "cant focus fire".

Have fun

Priority goes to people jumping in. We all know that. The fraps show that goons jumped into bob. And the fraps show goons getting slaughtered. First the exceuse was "Omg never happened". Then fraps proved it did. THen it was "Omg 3 titans". Then the fraps show only the titan only killing 80. Now its back to the old "lag killed me". Well, that cannot be right since the people jumping in have priority yes?

Go to eve-files - hundreds of fraps all showing the same thing - massacres on every front. PvP is not NPCing - using npc tactics on pvpers will result in defeat.

[Ceylon]

Which does not change the fact that in most cases BoD enemies experience exactly that :

a) Black log on screens

b) Clone station view

I leave the reasons to the preferred personal view of the reader. But thats how it is !

And - as stated several times before - it has nothing to do with any UBERness on the part of BoD pilots. Its not hard to fight enemies that cannot fight back. Enemies that use the same (official) methods to minimize lag and shorten relog time that BoD pilots use.

Have fun

[eve3007]

Which does not change the fact that in most cases BoD enemies experience exactly that :

a) Black log on screens

b) Clone station view

I leave the reasons to the preferred personal view of the reader. But thats how it is !

And - as stated several times before - it has nothing to do with any UBERness on the part of BoD pilots. Its not hard to fight enemies that cannot fight back. Enemies that use the same (official) methods to minimize lag and shorten relog time that BoD pilots use.

Have fun

If they were black screened, then how did they manage to fly upto the bob - look at the start of the video - tons of enemy cans right up at bob.

[Ceylon]

Since when was I talking about a specific video ?

Please enlighten me

[ImAdevALT]

So if BOD is so organized and disciplined, why its leadership and members cheat?

so you keep loosing.

Just like the guy who constantly gets ganked in lowsec and cant figure out why, you keep crying about hax and exploits.

Just because you cant seem to get an edge its not because someone cheating. Your tactics are to blame.
Coalition should have worked together, timing attacks and using your ability to stay spread out over time. Instead you hit a cap yard here, a cap yard there and your most succesfull sov-conquering attempts to date involved nothing but pos spam and nodedeath.

You may not be dead. Or about to die. But you havent got the power to change you degrading situation if you keep using the same tactics. Gatecamping dont wins stations. Chestbeating on forums dont win stations. And stations, is all this is about.

[Ceylon]

>>>>so you keep loosing. >>>>


Strange ... does not feel like losing.

Still feels like wave after wave rolling "west". The ocean breaks the cliff one pebble at a time. It takes time, but the ocean wins in the end.

Have fun

[eve3007]

>>>>so you keep loosing. >>>>


Strange ... does not feel like losing.

Still feels like wave after wave rolling "west". The ocean breaks the cliff one pebble at a time. It takes time, but the ocean wins in the end.

Have fun

But this ocean is actually a water pistol hitting a brick wall. If you guys were grinding down bob - then why are your not pounding their stations? Why is the alliance pounding your stations insted?

[Ceylon]

But this ocean is actually a water pistol hitting a brick wall. If you guys were grinding down bob - then why are your not pounding their stations? Why is the alliance pounding your stations insted?

Must be steaming acid in that "water" pistol then, corroding the brick wall until it crumbles into red dust.

Coalition has pounded stations, has conquered stations.

Like the ocean a war has tides. The water flows back and forth in regular intervals. That does not change the fact that the ocean still defeats the rock over time.

Have fun

[eve3007]

Since when was I talking about a specific video ?

Please enlighten me

Since when did I say that you were? - I am the one pointing you to the specific video, which prior to me finding it on eve-files, was about a event that was first denied, then claimed to be 3 titians, then when the video proves it untrue, claimed to be lag.

My point is the video clearly shows the goon ships flying right upto the bob ships attacking away as though it was some kind of NPC mission. How could they have flown upto bob if the claims of "Black Screen" is to be taken seriously?

You see - My point was that 300 goons died to 90 bob without killing a single bob. The video proves that. Now if 300 dies without killing anything, then how do you win a war then? Does the coalation expect bob to run out of ammo and thus recycle their ships to build more?

[ImAdevALT]

Must be steaming acid in that "water" pistol then, corroding the brick wall until it crumbles into red dust.

Coalition has pounded stations, has conquered stations.

Like the ocean a war has tides. The water flows back and forth in regular intervals. That does not change the fact that the ocean still defeats the rock over time.

Have fun

Try to hold the stations then....

And tell your allies to stop crying about blob-wars and boring POS warfare.

Challenge: Hit NOL! Siege the system. If you are as good as you say you are, that should surely not be a problem.

Have fun.

[Ceylon]

>>>> Challenge: Hit NOL! >>>>

Wars are not won through challenges. Wars in EVE are won by attrition.

And besides - plenty of people are visiting NOL these days. But there is no one home. Too bad - less loot for the Coalition swarms.

>>>>
You see - My point was that 300 goons died to 90 bob without killing a single bob. The video proves that.
>>>>

A video where some ships are moving proves that 95 % of the 300 are NOT watching a black log in screen at the time the video was made ?

Pray tell, how does the video come up with that proof ?

>>>>>
then how do you win a war then?
>>>>>

By coming back with the next wave. And the next. And the next. At several locations at the same time. Removing one "pebble" from the cliff ... then another .. until the cliff comes crashing down.

Have fun

[eve3007]

>>>>>
then how do you win a war then?
>>>>>

By coming back with the next wave. And the next. And the next. At several locations at the same time. Removing one "pebble" from the cliff ... then another .. until the cliff comes crashing down.

Have fun

Then why is this not taking place? All that is happening is that a pebble is removed fromt he cliff, resulting in a volcano erupting, spwning lava into the sea and where a pebble was lost, it is replaced by a metric tonne of stone. In other words, where you find a chink in the armour, that chink gets filled up very quickly, leaving the coalation thinking that they should have acted sooner.

Nobody has won an invasion in eve by sitting back and letting the enemy take over their stations. Nobody has invaded and won in eve while loosing every fleet battle. Bob killboards are full of kills made in goon space, including a couple of carriers over the past 24-48 hours. How can the coalation expect to win and invasion if they cannot even beat the bob fleet?

You also asked the question that the video was not proof that 95% of goons were lagged. If that was the case, then how did at least 50% of enemy cans end up at the bob fleet location as shown on the video? We all know the story of the ascn FC who said that bob cargo expander fit their BS's, are you saying they have pimp tractor beams to suck those cans in close?

[urfunny]

They have 3 Titans you fuckstick. If they didn't win fleet battles I'd be amazed. I think the real person in denial is you. You keep bringing up shit that happened over a month ago and ignore the shit that is going down today, like BOB getting raped in 9-9.

Again. . .it is SO obvious that those 300 Goon losses affected them dramatically.

00:21 9-980U Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers Tempest Details Time System Victim Corporation Alliance Ship
23:15 9-980U Ybytlan Destructive Influ... Band of Brothers Zealot Details
23:13 9-980U TGbullet Destructive Influ... Band of Brothers Drake Details
23:12 9-980U Copius Evolution Band of Brothers Vagabond Details
23:12 9-980U superandy47 Reikoku Band of Brothers Claw Details
23:11 9-980U Lariella Reikoku Band of Brothers Hurricane Details
23:10 9-980U Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers Tempest Details
23:04 9-980U Tyranikal Reikoku Band of Brothers Ares Details
23:00 9-980U Seldarine Destructive Influ... Band of Brothers Sleipnir Details

This is why you lose. You guys hang your hat on stuff like this while this is what follows:

00:37 9-980U SPACE BEEZ GoonFleet GoonSwarm Capsule Details
00:36 9-980U SPACE BEEZ GoonFleet GoonSwarm Rifter Details
00:25 9-980U Mr Goodbar GoonFleet GoonSwarm Hurricane Details
00:23 9-980U Urich Fiano Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys Megathron Details
00:22 9-980U Kanluk Lukal GoonFleet GoonSwarm Drake Details
00:22 9-980U Puzzleface GoonFleet GoonSwarm Blackbird Details
00:22 9-980U Habe Quiddam GoonFleet GoonSwarm Omen Details
00:22 9-980U a scapegoat GoonFleet GoonSwarm Scorpion Details
00:22 9-980U Bek Rowe Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm Stabber Details
00:21 9-980U Shoegazer GoonFleet GoonSwarm Typhoon Details
00:21 9-980U Jhcloud GoonFleet GoonSwarm Merlin Details
00:21 9-980U runaway Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm Heron Details
00:21 9-980U MUnited8 GoonFleet GoonSwarm Cormorant Details
00:21 9-980U Marnn GoonFleet GoonSwarm Caracal Details
00:21 9-980U Kaly Kovyna GoonFleet GoonSwarm Osprey Details
00:21 9-980U Gangrenous Khan GoonFleet GoonSwarm Vexor Details
00:21 9-980U Valois GoonFleet GoonSwarm Rifter Details
00:20 9-980U Torsadeu GoonFleet GoonSwarm Dominix Details
00:20 9-980U Zhuko GoonFleet GoonSwarm Tristan Details

Add in the carrier and I would say that BoB had another winning night. Add in the previous 4 nights and it gets ugly. I know, I know. You guys killed a bunch of tech II stuff so it is an easy win for your side. Except look at the pilots who lost stuff. Seldarine? Yep, you are going to break that guy by killing a sleipnir of his . Robert Dobbs? Two BS in a night. Obviously he is struggling for ISK. You guys are getting swamped. When are you going to call in big brother?

Yes, i can imagine the boredom in the faces of people as they watch a fraps which consists of 80 % black log on screen and 20 % watching a pod in a station after cloning.

You cannot fraps a battle you never saw as your ship was massacred during log on while you did not see anything, could not activate any module, could not target any enemy, could not receive nor send orders.

Its hard to coordinate and focus fire on a black screen. Just in case you ever wondered why people "dont have discipline" and for fucks sake "cant focus fire".

Have fun

I dont think you understand what I am saying. There have been repeated claims that a node crashed and when they logged back in 100 BoB were already in position gate waiting for them. Yet not a single soul has fraps of that. I dont want to see fraps of the black screen. Hell just a before and after screenshot of a node crash would go a long ways to proving it out. Without fail the coalition/ASCN answer has always been: It happened. Believe me.

>>>>so you keep loosing. >>>>


Strange ... does not feel like losing.

Still feels like wave after wave rolling "west". The ocean breaks the cliff one pebble at a time. It takes time, but the ocean wins in the end.

Have fun

If this doesnt feel like losing to you then perhaps you are a masochist?

[Firelord]

I dont think you understand what I am saying.

No BOD troll, we just don't care.

Diffrance

Firelrd

[DEVstructive Influence]

I dont think you understand what I am saying. There have been repeated claims that a node crashed and when they logged back in 100 BoB were already in position gate waiting for them. Yet not a single soul has fraps of that. I dont want to see fraps of the black screen. Hell just a before and after screenshot of a node crash would go a long ways to proving it out. Without fail the coalition/ASCN answer has always been: It happened. Believe me.

Very strong argument indeed

[Ceylon]

>>>>If this doesnt feel like losing to you then perhaps you are a masochist?>>>>

If I am a masochist, i would be reading DBP posts again and again. I try to avoid that pain.

>>>
Yet not a single soul has fraps of that.
>>>

Because people were talking to their fellows and trying to log in and had no intention of collecting videos for epeen contests with BoD players. Because they dont have to the need to document a fact to someone else, especially not to their enemies.

>>>>>>>
All that is happening is that a pebble is removed fromt he cliff, resulting in a volcano erupting, spwning lava into the sea and where a pebble was lost, it is replaced by a metric tonne of stone.
>>>>>>>

Volcanos have a nasty habit to spew forth a lot of lava that floods the countryside. Which leads to their own violent death soon afterwards. The main Lava channel empties and leaves a cavity. When that cavity collapses, the volcano is destroyed.

In other words ... you can only repair chinks in the armor as long as supplies last. By keeping up the pressure over time, even the largest stash of war material gets depleted when a large group attacks a smaller one.

Small chinks in the armor accumulate. Until suddenly large parts of your army are out of action, despite looking quite healthy only a short while ago.

>>>>
How can the coalation expect to win an invasion if they cannot even beat the bob fleet?
>>>>

By letting BoB come to them, extending their supply lines, making it vulnerable to roving Coalition gangs.

If digging out BoB from core systems is not possible due to CCP limiting systems to 700 pilots max, then let them come to you, make them cover more ground, make them spread thinner over more ground ... then kick them in the balls in smaller engagements.

If that means to lose some stations for a short while, so be it. They will be conquered back anyway next time the tide turns, as the waves come crashing in again.

And while BoD has spread out enough, you can drop the hammer in their backyard again. And/or let the Reds rape BoD complexes.

Have fun

[Ceylon]

No BOD troll, we just don't care.

Diffrance

Firelrd

And we dont believe BoD liars, no matter what they say.

Have fun

[DEVstructive Influence]

Nobody has won an invasion in eve by sitting back and letting the enemy take over their stations. Nobody has invaded and won in eve while loosing every fleet battle.

Thats why BOD will loose

Bob killboards are full of kills made in goon space, including a couple of carriers over the past 24-48 hours. How can the coalation expect to win and invasion if they cannot even beat the bob fleet?

BOD was raped many times during the war by the coalition. BOD looses in strategy. Those times when bod win tactically, its because BOD members cheat.

You also asked the question that the video was not proof that 95% of goons were lagged. If that was the case, then how did at least 50% of enemy cans end up at the bob fleet location as shown on the video? We all know the story of the ascn FC who said that bob cargo expander fit their BS's, are you saying they have pimp tractor beams to suck those cans in close?

Wtf is the connection between cans and the fact 95% of goons were lagged?
U don't make sense.

[arfarf]

Wtf is the connection between cans and the fact 95% of goons were lagged?
U don\\\'t make sense.

Hes saying that if they where so lagged how would they get up to the sniping fleet 160km away.

I think these sorts of posts should really stop, they are pointless and unnecessary l \\\" BOD failures \\\", \\\" why BOD will loose \\\" \\\" why BOD cant win eve\\\"; If they aren\'t going to why is it necessary to continue to make more posts regarding it? If you believe it to be true why not make posts after key victories by the coalition explaining why because of said victory they will be unable to continue with the war... Would make more sense than creating more flame bait topics that really serve no purpose apart from bashing.

Stuff like who was the ASCN HC spy, the blood raider plexes, the d2 mission thingy, Remedial\\\'s Major Economic Meltdown, D2 Imploding, BoB building momentum; are all interesting posts in this forum and ofcourse some of kug\\\'s juicy stuff regarding ccp employee\\\'s. This post and several others serve no purpose apart from to claim victory because of some random excuses that anyone could pull out there butt regarding ALL alliances in eve... CVA are going to die because they are RP\\\'ing fags, TCF because they are french.. (SORRY KUG! they have a history of giving up there for they must do! ), RA because at some point the pelxes will be removed from static to exploration, BoB because of this super power coalition, goons because at some point there key members will realise they can join much more stable alliances, ETC ETC ETC

Post something interesting PLEASE!

[Nekumi]

Totally agree with arfarf. If I wanted to read this kind of retarded we won, we will win, we are the bestest crap I'd just be reading CAOD.

[DEVstructive Influence]

Hes saying that if they where so lagged how would they get up to the sniping fleet 160km away.

May be some of them were already in position, when lag started?

I think these sorts of posts should really stop, they are pointless and unnecessary l \\\" BOD failures \\\", \\\" why BOD will loose \\\" \\\" why BOD cant win eve\\\"; If they aren\'t going to why is it necessary to continue to make more posts regarding it? If you believe it to be true why not make posts after key victories by the coalition explaining why because of said victory they will be unable to continue with the war... Would make more sense than creating more flame bait topics that really serve no purpose apart from bashing.

Good point. Since BOD alts doing exactly the same, I feel its my duty to represent my point of view as counterbalance to theirs.

Stuff like who was the ASCN HC spy, the blood raider plexes, the d2 mission thingy, Remedial\\\'s Major Economic Meltdown, D2 Imploding, BoB building momentum; are all interesting posts in this forum and ofcourse some of kug\\\'s juicy stuff regarding ccp employee\\\'s. This post and several others serve no purpose apart from to claim victory because of some random excuses that anyone could pull out there butt regarding ALL alliances in eve...

Not at all. Its just my own point of view.

CVA are going to die because they are RP\\\'ing fags, TCF because they are french.. (SORRY KUG! they have a history of giving up there for they must do! ), RA because at some point the pelxes will be removed from static to exploration, BoB because of this super power coalition, goons because at some point there key members will realise they can join much more stable alliances, ETC ETC ETC

I am not responsible for crap about CVA, TCF and RA.

Post something interesting PLEASE!

I try

[DEVstructive Influence]

Totally agree with arfarf. If I wanted to read this kind of retarded we won, we will win, we are the bestest crap I'd just be reading CAOD.

And u r not taking in consideration the same crap from BOD alts here? U see Only me as responsible for the crap?

[Firelord]

Totally agree with arfarf. If I wanted to read this kind of retarded we won, we will win, we are the bestest crap I'd just be reading CAOD.

Makes it easy to spot the BOD members on the forum,

OH MY GOD IM SO L33T, YOUR SO CRAP, ETC ETC ETC


This is nothing special to eve though, you see that on a million forums were immature asshates are allowed to roam with the protection that a internet alias allows them.

Why are you here Nekumi?

I'm here because I can just skip the troll posts and get to say my bit without the word BOD being edited by the eve-o forum whore err I mean moderators being asshats.

Also I need to do somthing at work other than wank

Firelord

[arfarf]

Good point. Since BOD alts doing exactly the same, I feel its my duty to represent my point of view as counterbalance to theirs.

Just because some people are for some reason coming to a forum which hates all of bob and trying; I can only persume to get a positive response by posting shite doesn\'t mean others should Rise above not below...

And I am glad you took it constructively rather than me being flamed

[Ceylon]

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I'm here because I can just skip the troll posts and get to say my bit without the word BOD being edited by the eve-o forum whore err I mean moderators being asshats.
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Thats exactly the reason i too like to post here.

Having had enough non-flame posts being deleted for the simple use of a satirical word like BoD forces one to look for other forums, were one can freely post without insta-moderation by BoD fanbois amongst the CCP staff.

If that means that in some threads we ramble and dont exactly post Kug-style hot-from-the-press infos ... so be it. Just skip these threads. But for us its a liberating experience to be able to call a fag a fag without risking our accounts.

Have fun

[eve3007]

May be some of them were already in position, when lag started?

Well, the more we read of these forums, the more I understand the overboard cencorship on COAD.

But lets let it rest. Can someone who was there tell us the official Goon side of the story, so that way we can find out reality what the offical line is rather than enter into conspiracies.

We all know t20 cheated but just because he was exposed as a cheater does not mean that people can blame their own failings on bob. This lag button logic as a exceuse for defeat has to stop, since if there was a lag button, then good ol' Kugutsumen would have revealed it by now. If there really is a lag button - then it is a far far bigger story than the t20 incident - A lag button is the true I-Win button, and we can both agree that whoever uses it is the biggist cheaters of them all. But there is no lag button, thats the thing.

[DEVstructive Influence]

We all know t20 cheated but just because he was exposed as a cheater does not mean that people can blame their own failings on bob.

Just a sec, I still don't understand why BOD needs t20 to spawn for them bpos, if its so uber, disciplined and whatever?

This lag button logic as a exceuse for defeat has to stop, since if there was a lag button, then good ol' Kugutsumen would have revealed it by now. If there really is a lag button - then it is a far far bigger story than the t20 incident - A lag button is the true I-Win button, and we can both agree that whoever uses it is the biggist cheaters of them all. But there is no lag button, thats the thing.

And why BOD is using this lag I-win button? If it can beat any amount of coalition troops everytime and everywhere?
Enlight me, please!

May be because BOD isn't uber, but very fragile inside?

[eve3007]

And why BOD is using this lag I-win button?

It is you that is making the claim without proof. Do explain this lag button. I have the popcorn all ready.

[arfarf]

Oh come on DEV do you honestly believe the stuff you say? You saw the list of t2 bpos that kug posted WHICH WHERE OBTAINED WITHOUT CHEATING and the bpos obtained by t20 being a stupid twat:

A couple dictor bpos and some other shit nothing that was key to bobs development.

The I-win lag button? Good lord.

[urfunny]

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Yet not a single soul has fraps of that.
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Because people were talking to their fellows and trying to log in and had no intention of collecting videos for epeen contests with BoD players. Because they dont have to the need to document a fact to someone else, especially not to their enemies.

By letting BoB come to them, extending their supply lines, making it vulnerable to roving Coalition gangs.

If digging out BoB from core systems is not possible due to CCP limiting systems to 700 pilots max, then let them come to you, make them cover more ground, make them spread thinner over more ground ... then kick them in the balls in smaller engagements.

If that means to lose some stations for a short while, so be it. They will be conquered back anyway next time the tide turns, as the waves come crashing in again.

And while BoD has spread out enough, you can drop the hammer in their backyard again. And/or let the Reds rape BoD complexes.

Have fun

They dont have fraps because it didnt happen.

The problem is that right now the coalition isnt kicking anyone in the balls. They are taking a whole bunch of punches but not returning any. They remind me of Gerry Cooney when he fought Holmes in the 80's. Taking a pummeling and not even fighting back. Just hoping to last the entire 15 rounds.

Thats why BOD will loose

BOD was raped many times during the war by the coalition. BOD looses in strategy. Those times when bod win tactically, its because BOD members cheat.


Wtf is the connection between cans and the fact 95% of goons were lagged?
U don't make sense.

Up until this post I have seriously thought you were just being silly when you said that. However, it is now clear that you really believe that BoB only wins when they cheat. You have some serious issues.

Makes it easy to spot the BOD members on the forum,

OH MY GOD IM SO L33T, YOUR SO CRAP, ETC ETC ETC


Firelord

Where did a BoB member say they were so leet? It has simply been pointed out on here that BoB are better than what the coalition is offering up now. You guys have reinforced that with your comments like "the only reason FIX are alive is because BoB came to save them". You cant beat them? I guess that makes them "more leet" than you.

Just a sec, I still don't understand why BOD needs t20 to spawn for them bpos, if its so uber, disciplined and whatever?


And why BOD is using this lag I-win button? If it can beat any amount of coalition troops everytime and everywhere?
Enlight me, please!

May be because BOD isn't uber, but very fragile inside?

You really believe a Sabre BPO is what allowed BoB to win? Again, serious issues.

[fedex]

Oh come on DEV do you honestly believe the stuff you say? You saw the list of t2 bpos that kug posted WHICH WHERE OBTAINED WITHOUT CHEATING and the bpos obtained by t20 being a stupid twat:

A couple dictor bpos and some other shit nothing that was key to bobs development.

The I-win lag button? Good lord.

how do you know that is all he gave them? I don't trust CCP on that issue at all. Didn't they know about it in the summer (that was in the blog somehting like "we were aware of teh situation in teh summer") but the BPOs were removed only when the shit hit the fan, no? That was like what 6 months. He might have given them more BPO or who knows what. CCp finaly admited after the evidence was overwlming and only to do damage control. We woul have never heard of it was it not for K. CCP cannot be trusted.

Do you really think he gave them BPOs (somethig that can be easyly traced back to him) but he did not give them info (something that can't be traced back to him). Come on now, lets not be naive. That was a very corupt individual, and a complete douchebag there is no telling the damage he has done.

[DEVstructive Influence]

Again, serious issues.

Again, gentlemans I don't see answers to my questions.

1. why BOD needs t20 to spawn for them bpos, if its so uber, disciplined and whatever?

2. why BOD is using this lag I-win button? If it can beat any amount of coalition troops everytime and everywhere?

[urfunny]

how do you know that is all he gave them? I don't trust CCP on that issue at all. Didn't they know about it in the summer (that was in the blog somehting like "we were aware of teh situation in teh summer") but the BPOs were removed only when the shit hit the fan, no? That was like what 6 months. He might have given them more BPO or who knows what. CCp finaly admited after the evidence was overwlming and only to do damage control. We woul have never heard of it was it not for K. CCP cannot be trusted.

Do you really think he gave them BPOs (somethig that can be easyly traced back to him) but he did not give them info (something that can't be traced back to him). Come on now, lets not be naive. That was a very corupt individual, and a complete douchebag there is no telling the damage he has done.

What information? What is happening in the game today that BoB have the advantage of information over their enemies? I have no doubt you are probably right that T20 did make info available to BoB that he shouldnt have. However, that was a year ago. I would think that whatever information he provided should now be either useless or common knowledge. You might have a point here though.

[urfunny]

Again, gentlemans I don't see answers to my questions.

1. why BOD needs t20 to spawn for them bpos, if its so uber, disciplined and whatever?

2. why BOD is using this lag I-win button? If it can beat any amount of coalition troops everytime and everywhere?

1. They dont need anything. If your alliance was donated a BPO by someone they would take it. If that person left the game for a time period would they petition CCP and tell them that someone who has left the alliance donated his BPO's and they feel the need to return them. In case you missed it, the BoB leadership has never said they had any inkling that the BPO's were ill gotten until T20's announcement. It is also apparent that you believe that BoB suddenly became uber upon getting access to an ill gotten Sabre BPO. That is why you are losing. They no longer have those BPO's and have turned the rape train into a disney cruise.

2. There is no such thing and you are just making yourself look silly by posting this. I have fought with BoB before. I have been in many engagements with and against them where lag played a huge part for both sides. Good try and please stop with the silly stuff.

[DEVstructive Influence]

1. They dont need anything. If your alliance was donated a BPO by someone they would take it. If that person left the game for a time period would they petition CCP and tell them that someone who has left the alliance donated his BPO's and they feel the need to return them. In case you missed it, the BoB leadership has never said they had any inkling that the BPO's were ill gotten until T20's announcement. It is also apparent that you believe that BoB suddenly became uber upon getting access to an ill gotten Sabre BPO. That is why you are losing. They no longer have those BPO's and have turned the rape train into a disney cruise.

Urfunny, I wanted to hear answer for my question and not ur speculations about importance or unimportance of given bpos.
Try again:
1. why BOD needs t20 to spawn for them bpos, if its so uber, disciplined and whatever?

2. There is no such thing and you are just making yourself look silly by posting this. I have fought with BoB before. I have been in many engagements with and against them where lag played a huge part for both sides. Good try and please stop with the silly stuff.

If I have an other opinion, u call it 'silly staff'?
Ppl who fought with BOD on present time and before witnessed about their use of lag in order to shoot enemies who can't return back. There many allainces in eve which comon players do not like, but these accusations some how unique only to BOD.
Not an answer.
Try again:
2. why BOD is using this lag I-win button? If it can beat any amount of coalition troops everytime and everywhere?