You do realize that magical cyno jammers don't go invuln and can in fact be INCAPPED! meaning they can..... wait for it...... wait for it......... JUMP OR BRIDGE IN! BrahOriginally Posted by Baumi
Edit: If I was you, I wouldn't be in a bitch fest with the leader of Primary. arguing whether a cyno jammer in Primary.'s Space went online, especially when you weren't in Primary.
ok ok ok i take everythink back there was a cynojammer, primary was best pvp entity in the entire region with best participation and best fcs, and ofc there was a cynojammer which got incapped/magically disappeared
This is just getting too annoying =) reminds me of the talks with eos/rvolt :-/
What really must be annoying is the opportunity that you lost. You could have had a solid, trustworthy ally and all you had to give in return was basic respect. But instead you strutted around like a Balkan dictator and made us a bigger scapegoat than the Jews. So we left - and now you're all butthurt, boo-hoo.
Seriously, you - and I do mean YOU, Baumi - need to learn that treating people like shit is not a wise political philosophy.
Burnes shh, it's okay babe, baumi is probably like 14 irl
Says the 16 year old teen...
In CoW's and GC's defense, I doubt they even wanted Primary as a solid, trustworthy [even] ally. Who right in his mind would.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Actually my birthday was on the 15th, 17 now brah.
Why? I never tried to be a politician, i am happy if people try to shoot me.
So what we have here, if Guru is to be believed, is a situation where a hugely superior PvP force in Primary were unjustifiably slandered and threatened by COW/GC. Instead of utilising this unstoppable juggernaut in an orgy of righteous pew against COW and GC, Guru, Primary's exec, chose instead to sell his alliance down the river for the princely sum of 32bil and run away.
See I knew you would see it my way!!ok ok ok i take everythink back there was a cynojammer, primary was best pvp entity in the entire region with best participation and best fcs, and ofc there was a cynojammer
I wouldnt say we were hugely superior.. but we were more organized, disciplined, and capable then the average gc or cow fleet on there own.
We were slandered yep.. not threatened really.. we just had the inside info and knew about possible resets coming.. them shit talking us... shitting on our guys.. etc.. etc.. We knew there was no future here with GC and COW, by there choosing... and being we all basically were answering to Atlas(even if GC and COW dont want to see it that way.. if Atlas reset them they could be squashed like a baby roach) and it appeared as if there was no hope of working on relations with them as we were already trashed by GC leaders... we saw no point in continuing as is. Yep we could have kept primary alive.. it was very healthy and kicking, but decided on a different path. We wont run away too far.. I can tell by all the emo raging that we may have some of the best fights ever in scalding pass yet..lol
Guru, by far the best thing about you scamming HTA and its certainly the most enteraining, is for yourself and other to maintain that you were somehow far superior as a PvP entity to COW/GC. If this was something you genuinely believed, then the natural course of action would be to kick our arses out of SP. Presumably if we were so riven with fail, shit FC's, crappy participation and unreliable diplo's, you must have liked your chances.
Instead, you scammed HTA and are issuing dire threats from a distance.
All done, it has to be said, in the best traditions of EvE.
Lets not pretend though that this was anything other than a cash grab because you knew full well what your alliance was capable of and as you said yourself, 32bil really wasn't enough.
Guru, Guru, Guru. I remember all this posturing from what was that other alliance you had? oh that's right, The Red Skull - that ended well too didn't it? You tried the number game there as well if I recall correctly and it got you exactly nowhere then - even though at the time Huzzah was in a some disarray after booting a bunch of corps (oh hi EVF :P).
Now I have no vested interested at all in this (even if I do love Baumi - you arse joining hirr), but even on the other side of EVE we heard about your amazing bloat of numbers and corps - and I've never actually seen that work too well in EVE funnily enough.
But seriously - trying to justify sellign the space is mad. Why don't you just come out with the "GOTCHA!" line and be done with it? Laughing about stinging for 32B would prob get u more e-respect than what you're playign at right now tbh.
let me give you my enlightened opinion on the matter.
99% of pets and renters in the history of eve have been and are crap. It's not subjective, it's how things are.
~~~~GIMMIE +REP+ GIMMIE~~~~
Yeah, I mean who DOESN'T respect Primary as a solid pvp entity??
Those GC/Cow idiots really screwed the pooch on this one. How can they replace the Pvp juggernaut that is PRIMARYDOT?
The thing is....he doesn't need the e-respect from the rest of eve; only from the alliance that he is a part of. He certainly has that respect, and you'll see it soon enough.
No doubt, but as empires collapse and tear themselves apart, the strongest "pets" can become the master. The only way to find out if you can be one of those 1% is to try. RL history is full of stories of empires humbled by their former "pets". The worst outcome should be that you have fun along the way.99% of pets and renters in the history of eve have been and are crap. It's not subjective, it's how things are.
Guru said it right. Every alliance has to rely on others--each with varying degrees of control. The word "pet" is really just a slander on some of those relationships.
You mean after half of it has left due to not being too happy about being played there by their own alliance leader.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
What's up with everybody comparing EVE to RL wars/history seriouslyLooks like CVA forums
you mean he has the e-respect of the e-honourable alliance that he sold for 32 b ?
if someone was to sell my ass (except my pimp, hi Souv) i'd be pissed tbh. If Primary corps still want to swallow the shit that Guru is putting on a silver spoon for them... well its your game to play.
The inter-relations of the 3 way in Scalding have never been smooth. I'm not surprised Primary have done what they did. Woulda been more fun if we had have had the chance to duke it out tbh
We roadtripped a couple of times (Geminate, then "the North") and provided some tackle for Atlas.... Primary didnt come / get invited so they "defended" Scalding and got all high and mighty about it.
Second time round they lost a Prom (?) Moon to Cursed and Co (I had a 2 month afk at this time). We came home and took it back.
From my perspective. People had been murmuring about primary for ages, in both GC and COW. It boiled down to the fact that they were about the size of GC and CoW combined, but bought less of everything to the collective table. I remember being on one Primary led combined op personally in the year or so we have been in SP, and countless GC / CoW led ops.
Primary did not seem to want to improve anything, were contented to be bloated farmers and send a smattering of guys to co-op gangs 95% of the time. Guru will tell you this is because we all belittled Primary and his guys didnt want to fly with us (CoW / GC). We'll tell you its because they sucked.
So it ended up in a vicious cycle, most combined gangs had very few primary and the situation would have become untenable sooner or later anyway. Like i said somewhere earlier in this WOT, woulda been more fun to shoot the fuck out of each other tbh.
PS: I am still currently a member of CoW. Hi Baumi hows MM ? Engad o/
Wusti its a far far different situation. Alls I can tell you is don't believe everything you read..lol We have nothing to hide.. just like money exchanged hands for rent when we had renters.. money exchanged hands for stations and space on a more permanent level. Yep we had renters in this space we didnt own.. hmm how did we manage that? lol Why should I make it into something its not? lol Allliances do it every day. So what..
We never scammed anyone.. tbh I see a scam brewing but its not on my side of the table.Guru, by far the best thing about you scamming HTA and its certainly the most enteraining,
Its an entertaining spin your trying to pull here.. the only problem with it is its not going to work..lol The guys know whats up now and I have been completely open about it all since the announcement. If I could have safely told them sooner I would have.You mean after half of it has left due to not being too happy about being played there by their own alliance leader.
I agree with you on this.. Maybe next time convo me..lolInstead of epeen measuring who the least horrible Alliance and FC's were in theory on Kugu.
Actually AAA owned the Prom moon. Remember they wouldn't let you have it? :P You were invited to take the moon as we weren't going to bother being we were in the middle of moving our crap for a campaign. The funny thing about that is you even tried asking us for help on it and asking us to come back from eso.Second time round they lost a Prom (?) Moon to Cursed and Co (I had a 2 month afk at this time). We came home and took it back.
Sik we had daily ops.. Im sorry you didnt attend.remember being on one Primary led combined op personally in the year or so we have been in SP, and countless GC / CoW led ops.
Fair enough Guru - but here's the thing - and I could be like WAY off the mark here but I'll say it anyway: From the outside looking in - it appears like you got a bit jealous of ONIONs relative success with GC, and decided you needed to have a bigger alliance and so on. The problem was that you never got any e-respect for assembling an almighty big bunch of mostly (but not all) no name corps - who had problems fitting ships and showing up to PvP with any reasonable level of skill.
I'm reading it more as an ego contest between Woopatang and ONION is the way it started - then you couldn't really come out on top coz ur boys weren't learning quite fast enough - so you tossed it in for a quick pay-day for your time and effort.
Now tryign to build something and failing is no crime at all - most SERIOUSLY successful dudes have fucked something or many somethings up at one time or another. Acknowledging what you fucked and moving on and learning is all good. Trying to sell it as something its not is not cool.
As non-leadership in Primary., I can vouch for Guru here, in saying that people fucking hated flying with GC/COW, including myself. I think there are a lot of jerks in COW and GC leadership.
It's kind of amazing how people take an Internet spaceship game so seriously, you know? EVE is supposed to be fun, so it shouldn't be a surprise that there was a lack of participation from us in GC and COW's stupid CTAs.
I dont like CTA's either, but unfortunately those little CTA's are part of being a 0.0 sov holding alliance whatever way you look at it and sometimes people are mean in those ops
Personally i much prefer roaming for ~goodfights~ but its not all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows.
Wish i could say primary was *full* of jerks. But we didnt fly with enough of them to make a broad sweeping statement like that. Will leave those sorts of things to the creatures who reside under bridges
I never got my invite, musta got lost in the calendar
Call it spin, I call it the feedback I have gotten from (ex-)members of your alliance so far.
On a sidenote, seems HTA will ahve to hand over 1-V and 4-C stations to GC soonish.
I dunno why but I somehow see this guy renamed into Not-kugu very soon...
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Primary never had a problem filling out CTAs made by Primary leadership. It's only when the offer of working under an incompetent leadership that shits on you for showing up that attendance seems to have become a problem.I dont like CTA's either, but unfortunately those little CTA's are part of being a 0.0 sov holding alliance whatever way you look at it and sometimes people are mean in those ops
A problem for CoW/GC, not us
The fact you think Gentlemen's Club's opinion is going to trump an agreement that ATLAS accepted kind of shows how informed you really are on this Mala
Wow, Primary's leadership is so competant that they ran away with 32 Bil for selling priceless space and ditching half their alliance.Primary never had a problem filling out CTAs made by Primary leadership. It's only when the offer of working under an incompetent leadership that shits on you for showing up that attendance seems to have become a problem.
A problem for CoW/GC, not us
SWEET PRICELESS SPACE
And yet you throw such a brand at Woopatang like it was nothing.we dont like being branded as backstabbers
But, y'know, I'm new here and am clearly no good at Trolling, so, wtf do I know?
Pets suddenly don't become great or take the place of other displaced Alliances because they are good.
Pets, as an organization, simply die and the good member/corps are usually poached by better organized entities - if there is anything worth poaching. I can't seem to remember any pet being anything but added cattle used to bolster numbers of fleets usually run by the daddy alliance. Apart from that, pets provide a free ISK source that can easily be recycled once they become too much trouble to deal with. Maybe that's where primaryDOT was headed, who knows?
So you've rewarded all of those fine chaps who kept ganging up for you on your CTA's by selling their space from under them for 32 bil?Primary never had a problem filling out CTAs made by Primary leadership. It's only when the offer of working under an incompetent leadership that shits on you for showing up that attendance seems to have become a problem.
A problem for CoW/GC, not us
That's competent leadership all right.
Speaking about competent leadership, Souv... How about reviving Threshold? I think Raven Timo is somewhere in the NC, I've seen Jack with Rooks 'n' Kings and we might get eds and pronas out of hibernation?Wouldn't that be fun?
Anyways, that was totally arbitrary and off-topic...
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Not sure what these Primary CTA's actually did, but yea we didnt cup anyones balls or thank them profusely for turning up to an op to keep them in their Sanctums. So I'll take shits on you for showing up for $20.Primary never had a problem filling out CTAs made by Primary leadership. It's only when the offer of working under an incompetent leadership that shits on you for showing up that attendance seems to have become a problem.
A problem for CoW/GC, not us
Guru used to be a pretty chill guy, but he fucked Primary. and HTA(nodot) not us.
Well, this issue basically started with Primary's competant leadership selling off alliance space and running off with 32bil. Seems like they're trying to do some damage control by accusing Cow/GC for various things. Nice work. "Competant" if you ask me. At the end of the day, it still doesn't change the fact that those leaders have screwed it's alliance over.
So how's the reset so far?
PL/Curse alliance/ Test/Goons making a move in SP?
(( crawls out from under the bridge ))I dont like CTA's either, but unfortunately those little CTA's are part of being a 0.0 sov holding alliance whatever way you look at it and sometimes people are mean in those ops
Personally i much prefer roaming for ~goodfights~ but its not all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows.
Wish i could say primary was *full* of jerks. But we didnt fly with enough of them to make a broad sweeping statement like that. Will leave those sorts of things to the creatures who reside under bridges
No one has a problem with CTAs in principal, but you guys would call them for reasons like escorting a freighter when the guidelines were clearly to be for the defense of Scalding Pass, or the times you guys would leave early and not bother telling us, or the times we'd get in the fleet and absolutely no one knew what the hell was going on. These are from my own personal experiences.
Sure, shit happens and situations change so plans have to change, but you guys showed us a lack of respect. Now you're upset that we sold our space that we were given, owned, upgraded, etc. We never rented from you and we were never your pets.
I look forward to future pew pew with you all.
Goons and test made a move for a CSAA monday night.
We made a move for their titan.
There was no cake
Fair enough Wusti.. even though your a pain in the ass I can see your point from the outside...lol
There was no jealousy of Onion. I can tell you, and others privy to the conversations can tell you.. there actually was disappointment. We thought we had a fairly good friendship with these guys.. then after the reset talks, the way they treated our guys, amongst other things.. it was very confusing for us. We still seemed to maintain a good relationship with some of our old friends.. but why they were going to backstab us was very perplexing. TBH I was ready to do something months ago, but the old friendships swayed many of our leadership to just stick it out and see. I agreed.. and a few months later here we are.
I can tell you that we had no problem pulling 100-200+ with our alliance alone.. whereas gc/cow had issues doing that combined. There was definitely an issue with our attendance to cow/gc cta's after some time. I spoke to engad, sik, and mya about these issues. That issue was due to the reasons already outlined by others in this thread. Basically.. they managed to piss off a whole damn alliance..lol Thats why you dont see as much resentment from the Primary. members for the scenario.. they hated gc/cow..lol At least alot of them did. Also I am not full of crap when I say.. there coms are full of screaming, unorganization, and smack 8 times out of 10. Our guys were used to very disciplined coms and people who support eachother.
The dissolution of Primary. is not solely due to these circumstances.. these just made it easier. We now are moving on to other things, and many of us will still be together.
As far as the other posts.. I will just copy what I posted on caod:
I will tell you what.. lets just list the facts "spin" free.
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We came along with GC and COW and shot at the same towers they did and fought the same people they did(which wasn't much) to attain the space we are speaking of in the 1V area.
We had our own renters, went on our own campaigns without consulting anyone, and even at times had different standings.
We didn't have to answer to them on any level. We chose to "try" to work with them. We worked out plans for the region, placements of towers, rules for our renters alongside with GC/COW.
Atlas is pretty much the only entity any of us had to answer to. Cow kicks and screams about it more then GC, but in the end.. what Atlas says goes.
We paid no rent whatsoever to anyone.
We did our best to cooperate with neighboring blues.
We took isk for the space, just like we took isk for rent. Just like any of the other alliances that are sov holders, and not renters, do. Money changes hand every day for space at one level or the next.
We could have put a red in this space, but chose a mutual blue. That says something.
We gave our alliance a few options, one of which just included a change in the alliance tag.
GC/COW got very upset when they learned about all of this and started the drama fest.
GC/COW want some sort of monetary gain off of the space.
It is soley because of GC/COW that HTA may now not be able to attain the space they acquired.
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There is only one scam going here.. and it has to do with GC/COW and them scamming some of there blues. If HTA or any other renters want to be angry.. they should be angry at the treatment that was afforded to them by GC/COW.. who are supposedly there blues.
I give HTA credit for always bringing pilots to fights.. always.
If you cannot see what is right in front of your nose, there is not much I will be able to do to change that.
What's funny is you couldn't even kill our titan with blue standings and spies all over gf.com. Whoever organized that drop is terrible. Worse than Goonfleet apparently.There was no cake
wheres my share of the 32b? why can't we all just get along? why don't we all former 1 single super alliance comprising of all the corps in EVE and go fight all macro-miners and isk farmers? why not everyone who posted in here send me 1 isk each so i can retire? why does anyone really care what happens to Primary., GC, CoW, or Atlas.....not like any of them have succeeded in any invasion in the history of eve....
I came here to try and defend Guru, but no one would give a shit what I have to say. I came here to try and pipe in my own opinion about what happened, but no one would give a shit what I have to say. It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong, no one would give a shit what I have to say.
So, despite the fact that no one will give a shit, I'll just say this:
Primary was a fucking blast. I don't care if the forum whores and drama queens of Eve thought we sucked. It's all about having fun, and that's what Primary did best. We weren't out to conquer the universe. We weren't trying to out e-peen anyone. We were out to shoot shit and die trying - which some of you think we did all too well. Who cares?! I had fun, and I know lots of people I flew with had fun too.
Now where's my beer? Let's go roaming.
I bet DBRB had cake.Goons and test made a move for a CSAA monday night.
We made a move for their titan.
There was no cake
Everyone keeps saying it was Karttoon's baby so there's your answer I guess
Yeah but there keeping 25bill in moongoo, fucking kartoon.
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squizz is right on one count, Primary. was a fucking blast. Drunken roams were awesome and the people were chill. He also showed how he felt about Guru, Woop and FFW when he was out of corp by the time this was announced.
Don't listen to Guru when he says everyone from Primary. understands why he did this. The move is considered classless and completely underhanded by nearly everyone. No real explanation was provided in the Primary Forums, CAOD or even here. Moving on to "different things" and "couldn't include all of the corps" are pure shit spin. There were better ways to do this but it was easier to waste everyones time and isk.
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