The summer of 10 an expose on RMT

[aes]

Thats why I like the NC in some ways. I really do, being in NC space reminds me of what many other regions in eve were like years ago. You roam their space and actually see people playing eve, both PVP and PVE. They actually form up to hunt down neuts. The popularity of macroing really sucks, it really killed the way I liked to play eve more then anything else such as lag/super coalitions.

Outstanding. It's like all that irrational (and poorly worded english) hatred from so many external forces against the NC could be because they hate it taking good botting space away by attracting real people. That could never be it though really could it.

What the fuck are any of us doing here in this dumb game? I don't log in more than once a week to avoid being forgotten by the newer enthusiastic types who genuinely believe everything is great and shit like this doesn't make me want to. Take a step back and examine what this stupid POS we're all engaged upon actually is.

[MOH]

Props to horus, this is now a historic thread.

Indeed. Hours got creditability.

When (ever) I stop play eve,

I will give all support to hours:

couple of own autonomous system and good server farm in europe (italy) connected with several gigabits to backbone.

Hours, per te va beene questa offerta?

[Propagandas]

What was the largest bulk of isk you sold to a buyer and how did you move it to him?

[Mr Coloredshirt]

Horus, on an easiest-to-sell list accounting for both CCP trying to stop you and actual buyers wanting your product, how would you rank selling ships, mods, characters and isk?

[tekscru]

Props to horus, this is now a historic thread.

A similar story I found from a forum dedicated to bots/macros.

http://publicdemands.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3208

I won 2k at the casino playing blackjack drunk as a mother fucker last friday (before getting kicked out ). but i guess the possibility of losing 2k isn't there in eve. Unless you're one of the special people who invest real money into buying eve stuff.

[Gossip Whore]

I was told PL leadership is being paid RL monies to fight the NC by drone region Russians.

[RansomList]

http://publicdemands.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3100

lol

[Shadoo]

I was told PL leadership is being paid RL monies to fight the NC by drone region Russians.

I wish . And to put it out there, should someone like to hire me for RL cash -- I am available to rage in any language you'd like.

[MpozoY]

The only good bot is dungarmatic

Also the only good Sigma

[Deadtired]

Given the level of sophistication of the bots that have been made, I am extremely surprised that there hasn't been an attempt to make a pvp capable bot. Also if a pvp capable bot were possible would it be viable to use to fight these stealth botting wars?

Indeed if they could pvp it could easily break the game.

[ginlaan]

I can back it up with ease, but wasting time for the likes of you, pointless.

Also, 10% of those who read these forums, have bots (or know who does) and arent russian.

Wow 10% you say. That must of took allot of research to come up with 10%. Did you know that 84% of the people who read these forums can fist there own ASS (or know who does) and aren't German or Japanese.

Your right you don't have to back it up to the likes of us since it would be pointless anyway since your spew is about as truthful as your 10% statement. In fact you would end doing more damage then good if you did, that i understand.

[Pier]

Makes me wonder who the hell is buying.

[Kireiina]

Super-capitals are expensive.

So in another way it is CCP who underwrites the whole system by making stupendously expensive ships that push the boundaries of the resources one individual can collect.

[MpozoY]

Makes me wonder who the hell is buying.

For every rmfHorus turboratting away his space trillions there are three thousand terrible empire pubbies who are frantically trying to figure out how to fund their spacedreams from the revenue attainable by mining Plagioclase in a Celestis

[Manny]

RASATAN whatsup baby?

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/RUS-1-UKR/alliances

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Feythabolis#npc24

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Feythabolis#corp

Dear John enjoy.

[Manny]

Slashmach1 sup.

Dear John enjoy.

[Quesa]

Suddenly have the urge to create a macro-ing account.

[Krutoj]

Suddenly have the urge to create a macro-ing account.

felt dirty didnt it?

[Iseeyouseemeseeyou]

Krutoj is just rollin like a big shot. He doesn't have to macro, he just extracts rent from the macros.

HOW IS ROLLIN LIKE A BIGSHOT KRUTOJ?

[Hratli Smirks]

Being told you could pull in like 500M+ a day in a botting Tengu is like telling poor farmers in Columbia/Afghanistan how profitable planting coca/poppies can be.

[pinoyzzz]

I've got 12-point plan on how CCP can end macroers

* Find ways to make the Eve client leak more memory so botters can't run so many bots on a single PC
* Remove local or make it delayed in 0.0
* Enable sleeper AI in more places randomly
* Environmental effects on tanking/damage like in Incursion should be more random
* Kick people off the server if their input is timed at regular intervals (fourier transform timestamps, etc)
* Allow people to right-click report people they suspect of macroing
* Require monthly password change from everyone
* Take away all empire courier/mining missions and all empire level 4s
* Throw out the current sov system and replace it with something less retarded and more population-dense
* Observe systems with high numbers of NPC ships killed per hour/day
* Overhaul mining so that it isn't so easy to bot or mind-numbingly boring
* Nerf deadspace small/medium shield boosters

[Eliteist]

Everyone knew that all the russians in this game are filthy cheating bastards that would go down on their own moms and dads for the sole purpose of just being lazy and making some isk/RMT. Thanks to Manny for bringing out the truth on this matter! Now I'm waiting for the cheating lying bastard Russians to start attacking Manny and co. because he exposed them. See you red faggots on the battlefield

[Hratli Smirks]

I've got 12-point plan on how CCP can end itself

ed: I mean seriously taking out empire level 4s you aren't even trying to be subtle

[captainktainer]

ed: I mean seriously taking out empire level 4s you aren't even trying to be subtle

Truth. It's pain enough trying to build up funds doing level 3s.

[cracken]

Well since a certain idiet spilled all the beans anyways I guess I can give some more details infos about programs used and stuff..

Things you need:
Inner Space (http://www.lavishsoft.com)
ISxEVE (http://eve.isxgames.com)
EVEBOT (https://www.isxgames.com/EVEBot/)
You will also be better of if you can code..

yes you need to pay bi-monthly for ISxEVE and also 6-12 month interval for Inner Space but it is freaking cheap in comparison to what you get out of it!

What this shit can do:
It interacts with the client directly via windows API no pixel shit. You can run up to 12 clients per PC (4x on each VM) if you use a quadcore with 8+gb ram.

It will work no matter how many ppl are in local as long as they are on your whistlist (Corps,alliances,players that you'r okey with having in system otherwise bot goes safe).

If you know how to code its freaking easy to add quit a bit off stuff to EVEBOT such as teaming up to 3 tengus running sanctums and heavens together.. + another on running belts as well as a another bot looting and salvo stuff. Gives you a daly income of about 6-8b depending on rattype skills etc..

Mining is also included in evebot but if you want to make shitloads of isk you'll also need to be able to code.. cuz it needs some extras here and there..

and no I do not sell isk I use the shitload of isk I make to build and fitt titans/ms for my alliance buddys. cuz an alliance without planty of these cant do a shit these days.
And I'm not ashamed of my actions or anything why should I? I play this game for fun not for farming the shit out of NPC's.. If anything the fault lies in the game design to begin with...

[Kaeydan]

In my younger days, when I was mostly trading and in 0.0 as little as possible, I used to launder money for RMTers, unwittingly at first but later figured out what people were doing. You can disguise modest amounts via the contract system and CCP is exceptionally poor at tracking transactions through deleted characters. But when you are moving copious amounts of isk around it is neigh impossible to avoid detection. That is why you need to get the isk laundered. You could probably convince CCP you got scammed once or had a major corp theft infrequently, if you do it on a large enough scale you will get caught unless you can launder the isk.

That is where trading comes in, you can move as much isk as you want, create dummy transactions and give it all the paperwork you need to get by CCP. CCP have created a fantastic framework to circumvent their own detection system.

Basically what happens is you receive the isk from a dodgy source, it gets invested and you give the isk back via legitimate trading companies. Some tragic investments fail for unknown reasons and the money mysteriously vanishes, other investments magically make a fortune. The mysteries of trading. CCP would need a small army of auditors to figure out what launders are doing and how. It is the same way people hide copious fraud in real businesses. Numbers can lie.

Manny also hasn't got the gist of the social RMTer. He has reflected that you can make a modest return on one account. But 1 account suddenly becomes 2, then 4, then 8. These bots need little in the way of maintenance, it is a license to print money. Once you can make a tidy profit with no real effort then it just comes down to how many accounts can you effectively run given the space you have access to and what activities you are doing.

I have said before the problem is significant and it is widespread and it is not isolated to the Droners, but they are the most coordinated and organised and it drives their policy. I have no doubt some within the NC RMT, it is inevitable, anyone can do it, but it is not ingrained at the top level as it is with other alliances/coalitions. If it was, NC would not go to war, they would just defend space. They also wouldn't keep giving space away to other alliances and wouldn't get apathetic when they get bored. When you are printing money, you have instant motivation to turn up to defend your shit.

[Krutoj]

Krutoj is just rollin like a big shot. He doesn't have to macro, he just extracts rent from the macros.

HOW IS ROLLIN LIKE A BIGSHOT KRUTOJ?

I dont extract rent. More over, I earn ISK from building t2 ships and modules for my alliance. Also I used to run 15 cad moons of ferrofluid before the nerf. T2 and some capital mods give me around 2-3 b a week. Other ISK comes from 3d party services. I am an honest gringo yo.

Ninja Edit Re Post before mine: Top level? I am the top level of a RUS alliance, no wait, 2 RUS alliances. Do I look like my proteus is made out of plantinum?

2nd Edit: wow the popularity for RMT will rise from this thread for sure, gj everyone for spreading this disease.

[Securitas]

NC hardly need to macro; they have isk-printing tech moons strewn throughout their space anyway. :P

[cracken]

I have said before the problem is significant and it is widespread and it is not isolated to the Droners, but they are the most coordinated and organised and it drives their policy. I have no doubt some within the NC RMT, it is inevitable, anyone can do it, but it is not ingrained at the top level as it is with other alliances/coalitions. If it was, NC would not go to war, they would just defend space. They also wouldn't keep giving space away to other alliances and wouldn't get apathetic when they get bored. When you are printing money, you have instant motivation to turn up to defend your shit.

Bullshit.. NC attack'd dronelands to avoid getting attacked by them atleast thats what we've all been made to believe.. Lets phase it another way.. Shit they gonna hit us our bots will be distubed our tech incom cut of shit all that money we make with that.. so lets just hit them first.. and as an added bonus we will gain a new farming region or 2.. get real saying NC doesnt do it is a joke everybody who has the means to do it will do it because real money for zero work or close to that why the hell not? And dont give me that E-hounor shit.. Every alliance its all the same there is no difference in greed and there is nothing wrong with that either.

[Murr]

I've got 12-point plan on how CCP can end macroers

* Find ways to make the Eve client leak more memory so botters can't run so many bots on a single PC
* Remove local or make it delayed in 0.0
* Enable sleeper AI in more places randomly
* Environmental effects on tanking/damage like in Incursion should be more random
* Kick people off the server if their input is timed at regular intervals (fourier transform timestamps, etc)
* Allow people to right-click report people they suspect of macroing
* Require monthly password change from everyone
* Take away all empire courier/mining missions and all empire level 4s
* Throw out the current sov system and replace it with something less retarded and more population-dense
* Observe systems with high numbers of NPC ships killed per hour/day
* Overhaul mining so that it isn't so easy to bot or mind-numbingly boring
* Nerf deadspace small/medium shield boosters

A good portion of standard pvers would also leave the game.

[Kaeydan]

I've got 12-point plan on how CCP can end macroers

* Find ways to make the Eve client leak more memory so botters can't run so many bots on a single PC
* Remove local or make it delayed in 0.0
* Enable sleeper AI in more places randomly
* Environmental effects on tanking/damage like in Incursion should be more random
* Kick people off the server if their input is timed at regular intervals (fourier transform timestamps, etc)
* Allow people to right-click report people they suspect of macroing
* Require monthly password change from everyone
* Take away all empire courier/mining missions and all empire level 4s
* Throw out the current sov system and replace it with something less retarded and more population-dense
* Observe systems with high numbers of NPC ships killed per hour/day
* Overhaul mining so that it isn't so easy to bot or mind-numbingly boring
* Nerf deadspace small/medium shield boosters

lol they can catch most botters if they flag any account for investigation that accumulates more than 6 hours of play time per day. They could start in reverse order and target the dumb motherfuckers who leave their bots running 23/7 and go backwards from there.

The problem is they could do a lot, but do not. Largely because a lot of people who bot tend to have 2, 3 or more extra accounts to bot and the biggest market for RMT would be big repeat purchasers who can't be bothered with PvE shit to get access to their pixel toys.

You can't really purchase Plex of that magnitude and it is a lot more costly than RMT cash. So in a nutshell getting rid of RMTers would significantly reduce the number of active accounts and would not funnel much of the business back via Plex.

So they would lose a lot of their money just for the sake of creating a squeaky clean sandbox. They aren't that noble.

[Kaeydan]

Bullshit.. NC attack'd dronelands to avoid getting attacked by them atleast thats what we've all been made to believe.. Lets phase it another way.. Shit they gonna hit us our bots will be distubed our tech incom cut of shit all that money we make with that.. so lets just hit them first.. and as an added bonus we will gain a new farming region or 2.. get real saying NC doesnt do it is a joke everybody who has the means to do it will do it because real money for zero work or close to that why the hell not? And dont give me that E-hounor shit.. Every alliance its all the same there is no difference in greed and there is nothing wrong with that either.

I didn't give any E-honor shit. What you said makes no sense at all. Wars are bad for RMT business. NC has pretty much been in non-stop major warfare for the last 2 or 3 years and fought wars of attrition against most of those big entities, if they was wide spread isk selling they would have gone ass over tits a long time ago.

NC policy is not consistent with the RMT mentality, and that is to not draw attention to yourself as much as humanly possible.

[Tyrael]

Kindof approaches the salary of CCP employees :P I wonder how many Blizzard employees have been bought over the yrs with WoW gold through paypal :P

[Comunique]

1. Buy Titan
2. Find off end system to upgrade, run sanctums, and pull 200mil an hour.
3. ???
4. Profit.

Amidoingitright?

[Habitual Line Stepper]

I've got 12-point plan on how CCP can end macroers

* Find ways to make the Eve client leak more memory so botters can't run so many bots on a single PC
* Remove local or make it delayed in 0.0
* Enable sleeper AI in more places randomly
* Environmental effects on tanking/damage like in Incursion should be more random
* Kick people off the server if their input is timed at regular intervals (fourier transform timestamps, etc)
* Allow people to right-click report people they suspect of macroing
* Require monthly password change from everyone
* Take away all empire courier/mining missions and all empire level 4s
* Throw out the current sov system and replace it with something less retarded and more population-dense
* Observe systems with high numbers of NPC ships killed per hour/day
* Overhaul mining so that it isn't so easy to bot or mind-numbingly boring
* Nerf deadspace small/medium shield boosters

Do macros actually run level 4s? And why would nerfing deadspace small/medium shield boosters help?

I'm of a mixed opinion on the removal/delay of local, d-scan is still available for bots and they are better suited to slavishly watching it 23/7 than any normal player could hope to be, so it would have a disproportionate effect on actual players. Cloaky Lokis and Tengus would become the new FOTM though, which would be awesome.

Actually, now that I'm looking at the programs for myself (research purposes only) how hard would it be to program XS to simply rat while aligned out and warp the moment any neut/hostile appeared on grid? Since Tengus aren't worried about range or transversal, it wouldn't affect their isk/hour and they'd still be able to escape most of the time.

[plankconstant]

Do macros actually run level 4s? And why would nerfing deadspace small/medium shield boosters help?

Yes.
No.

Actually, now that I'm looking at the programs for myself (research purposes only) how hard would it be to program XS to simply rat while aligned out and warp the moment any neut/hostile appeared on grid? Since Tengus aren't worried about range or transversal, it wouldn't affect their isk/hour and they'd still be able to escape most of the time.

20 bucks./ 1 bil isk

[Raagun]

Friend tried to make pixel bot (which reads screen, like H-bot). He said its not very hard to make it mine. Just need to get clean pixel image of screen.

[omgdutch2005]

Friend tried to make pixel bot (which reads screen, like H-bot). He said its not very hard to make it mine. Just need to get clean pixel image of screen.

aka remove dithering ;-), were ccp to remove the unchecking of dithering.... some stuff might be less OK /w botters using pixel bots

[Calderus]

Makes me wonder who the hell is buying.

Interesting question. I would think demand should scale fairly linearly with the size of the overall player base. No/low player growth means low/no demand growth. The SC buff was probably a significant demand shock. Overall though increasing supply without demand, assuming people read this and get in the game themselves, will likely drive price down quite a bit for all.

I'm curious how much this - macro-ratting for RMT business, not personal fortune building - has grown since Dominion, and since the anti-macro campaign ccp ran, I think last summer.

Regardless, fascinating read. Thanks Horus. Interesting too how much less sperg going on in here now too.

[luvcuminbum]

There is combat mission script but it can't run more than semi-afk atm because you need to click through the mission pages, guy has never fixed this since long time ago...same reason the coureer mission bot can no longer decline low sec mission. Allso i can't afk sanctum due to no support for scanner with innerspace (you have to scan yourself and sit the guys in there before activate script).

H-Bot is buggy piece of shit made by guy who just keeps it barely running in his spare time to keep people subscribing (it does make decent isk but also you much higher chance of getting banned).

Majority of RMT isk comes from mining because although isk per hour is lower it lets you run large amount of character in low number of system. The minerals are turned into higher value product to make more isk so in the end it evens out with ratter bot. Mineral is also give safe and easy way of trading isk to customer (trade stack of minerals of equvialent value instead of isk).

No idea of moons but I think everyone can guess with the number of moons certain alliance is hold and all their grunts is fight in t1 bc/bs along with low turn over of super cap that the isk must be going somewhere.

[Dirk Man]

Interesting read, Knew a little of the problem but Manny's and especially Horus post showed the real extend.
i have 1 question though. Is the ISK farmer scam based on:

1. paying $$$ to a paypall account then getting ISK in game trough contract. Or
2. paying $$$ to a paypall account then getting a GTC or Plex that you can change into ISK


P.S. dont understand why ISK farming still is a problem. As an audit and fraud specialist in RL there are a multitude of rules and ways to trace "black money". As with ISKfarmers it is very very hard to trace the source of black money in RL. Just as the botters cant be stopped so in RL it is hard to stop sources. Like drug, gambling etz.

HOWEVER, it is fairly easy to catch people spending black money in RL. You can thank you local IRS office for that. In RL you need to validate any large purchases and report on your income. This has two goals, one to make sure you pay enough taxes. Second to make sure you dont have "other" sources of income. In EvE this can easily be achieved by tracing the cash flow of botters and sellers to their final target. There is always someone picking up the check. Even if it go's trough say 10 accounts. the bulk transfer can be traced easily. (as long as the users dont split up the 1Bil ISK bought in say transactions of 10m to 10 different accounts. And i guarantee that if CCP starts banning actually player accounts, they will stop buying ISK. And the " i didnt know it was illegally bought ISK" defense shouldn't hold. Picking up contract with selling a noobship for say 10Bil as scam, should CCP simple take the 10Bill and return the noobship.

[Horus]

Interesting read, Knew a little of the problem but Manny's and especially Horus post showed the real extend.
i have 1 question though. Is the ISK farmer scam based on:

1. paying $$$ to a paypall account then getting ISK in game trough contract. Or
2. paying $$$ to a paypall account then getting a GTC or Plex that you can change into ISK


P.S. dont understand why ISK farming still is a problem. As an audit and fraud specialist in RL there are a multitude of rules and ways to trace "black money". As with ISKfarmers it is very very hard to trace the source of black money in RL. Just as the botters cant be stopped so in RL it is hard to stop sources. Like drug, gambling etz.

HOWEVER, it is fairly easy to catch people spending black money in RL. You can thank you local IRS office for that. In RL you need to validate any large purchases and report on your income. This has two goals, one to make sure you pay enough taxes. Second to make sure you dont have "other" sources of income. In EvE this can easily be achieved by tracing the cash flow of botters and sellers to their final target. There is always someone picking up the check. Even if it go's trough say 10 accounts. the bulk transfer can be traced easily. (as long as the users dont split up the 1Bil ISK bought in say transactions of 10m to 10 different accounts. And i guarantee that if CCP starts banning actually player accounts, they will stop buying ISK. And the " i didnt know it was illegally bought ISK" defense shouldn't hold. Picking up contract with selling a noobship for say 10Bil as scam, should CCP simple take the 10Bill and return the noobship.

fact is previously chinese where buyng from me 100-300b at time than they used theyr accounts and take the risk of bans. but after they losed half trillion isk on an account that was early catched by ccp.


they started to ask isk sellers (players) to send isk totheyr customer : citizen1234 etc etc, reversing the ban risk to theyr supplyer.

so at that point , i started talking with theyr clients, and say : hey buy from me, send your money to my paypal, and i give you a 30% discount.

after done like this with literally hundreds of pilots. i have now my own market that "bypass" chinese.





so the normal route is,

guy pay in paypall, than receive isk. (if you go by yourself, direcly with the customer)

if you go thrue chinese



guy pay chinese, chinese say to you name of char, you send isk, when contract is accepted, you give to the chinese screenshoot of completed contract, chinese pay you

[Horus]

I dont extract rent. More over, I earn ISK from building t2 ships and modules for my alliance. Also I used to run 15 cad moons of ferrofluid before the nerf. T2 and some capital mods give me around 2-3 b a week. Other ISK comes from 3d party services. I am an honest gringo yo.

Ninja Edit Re Post before mine: Top level? I am the top level of a RUS alliance, no wait, 2 RUS alliances. Do I look like my proteus is made out of plantinum?

2nd Edit: wow the popularity for RMT will rise from this thread for sure, gj everyone for spreading this disease.

considering that your alliance earn money from shitload of macrobotters who pay you rent. is better if you not post anymore here. unless you wanna me make videos and screens of your hundreds of bots inside shadow of xdeathx.


you sure you wanna play this game with me?


drone region have probably 50% of the total bot community,

in the www.reboot.gr site there is 2 section of forum

1 english
1 russian (who have 3x times the activity of the entire english bot community )

that say everything

[jimmychrist]

And I'm not ashamed of my actions or anything why should I? I play this game for fun not for farming the shit out of NPC's.. If anything the fault lies in the game design to begin with...

Right on! CCP should just give everyone 6-8 bil a day. You ought to post that idea in features and ideas, cause that's some brilliant game design fixin' right there.

Dumbass.

[Krutoj]

or be a good sport and do it through CCP, buy time and sell PLEX

[Dirk Struan]

Interesting read, Knew a little of the problem but Manny's and especially Horus post showed the real extend.
i have 1 question though. Is the ISK farmer scam based on:

1. paying $$$ to a paypall account then getting ISK in game trough contract. Or
2. paying $$$ to a paypall account then getting a GTC or Plex that you can change into ISK


P.S. dont understand why ISK farming still is a problem. As an audit and fraud specialist in RL there are a multitude of rules and ways to trace "black money". As with ISKfarmers it is very very hard to trace the source of black money in RL. Just as the botters cant be stopped so in RL it is hard to stop sources. Like drug, gambling etz.

HOWEVER, it is fairly easy to catch people spending black money in RL. You can thank you local IRS office for that. In RL you need to validate any large purchases and report on your income. This has two goals, one to make sure you pay enough taxes. Second to make sure you dont have "other" sources of income. In EvE this can easily be achieved by tracing the cash flow of botters and sellers to their final target. There is always someone picking up the check. Even if it go's trough say 10 accounts. the bulk transfer can be traced easily. (as long as the users dont split up the 1Bil ISK bought in say transactions of 10m to 10 different accounts. And i guarantee that if CCP starts banning actually player accounts, they will stop buying ISK. And the " i didnt know it was illegally bought ISK" defense shouldn't hold. Picking up contract with selling a noobship for say 10Bil as scam, should CCP simple take the 10Bill and return the noobship.

Why do you refer to is as a scam? Unless you are of the opinion that CCP is the one being scammed? If what has been said about the extent of it in this thread is true they need return customers. Those aren’t being scammed. They get exactly what they are paying for. (I’m not saying there won’t be scams here, just that there have to be “clean” shops too for this to work.)

If you are going to draw the RL comparison here – care to elaborate on the black economy? Assessment on how much fraudulent happens that you never are able to catch? The amount of drug money being laundered? Seriously, its possible to do more, but its also possible to circumvent. If you actually think that this sort of thing is easy in RL, well, I’m not going to go there. It is easier in game, because every transaction here leaves a possible (e-)paper trail. CCP knows exactly how many dread spawns I have killed and looted (or could know if they so configured their logs, which in this case might show something), and can trace those elements electronically. Yet, there is a ton of data power needed to do that and quite a bit of manual oversight. CCP needs to, just like any proper bureaucracy, do the math on gain v. cost.

I also though CCP had a rather better way of dealing with isk buyers, in that they confiscated the isk bought and deducted the equivalent amount from your account in addition? Thereby keeping them as customers buying gametime in one form of another, rather than banning? That is hearsay though, I dunno...

[Horus]

Indeed. Hours got creditability.

When (ever) I stop play eve,

I will give all support to hours:

couple of own autonomous system and good server farm in europe (italy) connected with several gigabits to backbone.

Hours, per te va beene questa offerta?

if you not nunderstand my purpose is to clear eve, i hope that all this go to ccp, who i will gladly offer my help to dismantle the bots system.



i can even lose all my isk in eve, i hope except the legal earned that anyway still was around 200b.


becouse eve for me have lose totally any credibility and i not enjoy anymore play it as pvpers. i do only the political side becouse you cant bot it.




is dunno like play counterstrike with wallhack

senseless.

[Mr Coloredshirt]

ignore

[Horus]

What was the largest bulk of isk you sold to a buyer and how did you move it to him?

largest was 350b isk for oofay (a chinese isk seller)

moved thrue chribba, by reselling on myself a couple of titan-ms

(i use ms-titan also for move money thrue chribba since char differ he cant know it)

and ccp will never be suspicious about chribba moving high amounts of isk, or even if he know that is "bot isk" they will never mess up with chribba, causing a community insurgency pro chribba

[Horus]

Indeed. Hours got creditability.

When (ever) I stop play eve,

I will give all support to hours:

couple of own autonomous system and good server farm in europe (italy) connected with several gigabits to backbone.

Hours, per te va beene questa offerta?

if you wanna make it ad industrial level, and you place the pc and the connections, i can invite you at my home see how it works etc. (no kidding)


so if ccp change something is your risk, i will be help to get 50%