I think you got trolled bro.Originally Posted by aes
I think you got trolled bro.
I'm gonna say this: you're retarded.
TEST were the ones who did the audit. They started trolling because Montolio found out that they didn't have reimbursements, and DurrHurrDurr was bored. So DurrHurrDurr went to their space and trolled them, which made Deagol1 cry to Montolio. Montolio called him retarded and decided "let's troll the shit out of him".
So we set up the UN aid convoy and trolled them, then made this thread trolling them, then made those videos trolling them, then made images trolling them.
Then, we audited them.
You know, to troll them.
We actually want to troll them into reimbursing their pilots and stop being such money-grubbing jewfucks.
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Please forgive me for being sceptical here. I think you knew exactly what you were doing when you started this campaign. A lot of material seemed to spring out of nowhere so some pre-planning must've gone into it. I think it went a lot further to be passed off as a troll, 'we were bored so wanted some shitz and gigglez' thing.
Also it's pretty common knowledge that OWN had a reimbursement program in place for caps, logis and dictors to encourage people to actually fly them. T1 hulls are handled at corporation level. Get your spies to read the bulletins.
However the fact remains that OWN are blue and you shit on them in public. Sorry bud but that's the facts.
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hey buddy, I call out all kinds of motherfuckers because being blue does not muzzle my conscience.
Also the CEO was like the most obnoxious manchild in the chatlogs which is what pulled the whole thing from complete indifference to "haha look at these publords" for me personally
publords?
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I understand that back when you started playing the game the EVE community was basically the worst collection of e-honour spaceship grognards that humanity could offer so I'm not surprised
Publord is a synonym for a GSF member.
pubelord? Not the only one thinking this either
There are number of really good reasons for not including drakes in a reimbursement policy:
1) They are shit
2) They are shit
3) They are... well you get the idea.
[Hello reader: I thought I'd edit this post and make it clear that the above is a joke and gentle needling of TEST and their love of drakes. Apparently a lot of people are frothing at the mouth having read the first part and dont bother to read the serious points below. Drakes do indeed have a role to play in certain PVP situations, though I personally believe certain other battle cruisers are superior. Now relax, take a deep breath, count backwards from 10 and try to avoid rageposting.]
A good reimbursement policy doesnt just make sure your pilots have ships to fly in, it exerts influence over what they train for - directing them towards ships that are important but under represented because of cost issues (dictors) or fun issues (logistics).
Reimbursing drakes means that pilots are less likely to train these key ships. Worse, it encourages them along a training path that most people regard as pretty useless. After Drake they move onto the Raven - a ship almost universally reviled outside of carebearing circles.
The irony is that Drake reimbursement is actually pretty cheap. The ship itself is a fraction of the cost of logistics and insurance mitigates the cost further. Admittedly the amount of losses will be higher because of fleet composition and likely pilot experience level (a logi pilot has likely been playing for a while and knows how to pvp, a drake pilot could theoretically be a week old noob).
TL/DR: Most alliances could afford to reimburse Drakes if they wanted, they just realise it's a bad idea.
Everything you posted is Wrong.
I mean like quantitatively wrong here.
I know, you really have to say they are shit five times to get across just how shit they are. I figured people would be bored by that point though.
We actually didn't have any material pre-planned. At all.
All of the stuff written up/video editing/image editing was done all on the same night, while the aid convoy was conga lining outside of CU9.
The aid convoy originally started as a small trollop by DurrHurrDurr and only expanded from there.
"ugh I'm going to ignore everything about contemporary fleet doctrine and theory and just post about "heh, drakes" in true smug neckbeard fashion"
> Fuck you levels of EHP
> Easy to train for
> Dreddit is a corp of like 98% newbs
> Feels good man
Sure is tinfoil in here.
Anyone crying "conspiracy" in here needs to realize that all of TEST's diplomatic actions are predicated on the quality of propaganda Tez can make of it.
As an aside, I don't really understand why OWN is in Dek other than to jew nonstop. Since goons moved up here they have nearly zero fleet participation and leave the task of defending Jew Heaven to the rest of the NC. Considering the disgusting amount of money they collect I can't see how they can play the victim in this.
In that case I think you meant qualitatively wrong. Easy mistake to make.
There is a lot of hurf blurf over the speed of the escalation and smoothness in transition from casual troll op to full blown investigation. People don't realize that we have an entire wallet division dedicated for doing stupid shit labeled "Retarded Shenanigans in Space", saying that we take measures to troll people is an understatement.
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Qualitative judgements (yours) can be quantitatively wrong (you are)
Let me lay this out:
Drakes are widely used in PvE and PvP due to their ability to fit a massive tank (passive regen or straight up buffer,) with weapons effective against a wide variety of targets at ranges for 0-70 or so km with a hull bonus conducive to remote repping and an effective slot layout.
"Drakes are shit" is your qualitative opinion which is discredited by both theory and practical experience. It is quantitatively proven to be wrong.
Not that it matters but if you look at our wallet. The retarded shenanigans budget is larger than our military. Don't fucking ruin my joke, please.There is a lot of hurf blurf over the speed of the escalation and smoothness in transition from casual troll op to full blown investigation. People don't realize that we have an entire wallet division dedicated for doing stupid shit labeled "Retarded Shenanigans in Space", saying that we take measures to troll people is an understatement.
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Bort needs to repeat this maneuver on every single NC alliance and post the results.
In a strictly technical sense "Drakes are shit" or rather as I literally said "They are shit" was an example of a list of repetition type joke. In fact, the main points in my orignal post address why, in my opinion, its unnecessary to include them in a ship replacement plan. This is of course, much more relevant to the original topic of this thread than a discussion on the usefulness of drakes in general.
I'm sorry if that wasnt clear, obviously it was a mistake on my part to introduce a serious point with a bit of levity.
Beg to differ
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Not the best but certainly not the worst.
On this op today http://own.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7790606 they had more than some of the bigger alliances.
Maybe they've been a little reticent to mingle with Goon fleets - can't think why that might be, can you? They have put consistently good numbers into NC fleets though. When I've come across them they seem to have fielded reasonably competent pilots in the asked for ships and fits.
You answered one of the main positions/points of the arguement. OWN goes on NC fleet in Gem., sort of, instead of dealing with the problems right next door. OWN is also setup as a "buddy" of stella polaris in space now controlled by goons, so wtf do you think will happen. When you think you are a full member NC alliance, when you really aren't and you don't show up to important regional ops? Granted the participation has been a lot better as of late, but if you could see the flat out, "I'm not showing up to Deklein OPs" chat logs you may change your story.
Alternatively, because they are cheap there is no reason not to reimburse them?
oh god yes
Audit MM. DO IT.
As I said, I'd rather encourage people to train for t2 ships rather than specialise in Drakes. There will never be a shortage of drakes but we never seem to have enough logis or bubble.
Then subsidize the skillbooks and actively recruit newer players to train for and fly logis and Hics.
If you have people turning up to OP's in Drakes when its entirely inappropriate they are either doing so because they cant fly anything else yet except for perhaps tackle frigs, they either cant afford to or cant face carebearing the isk for expensive T2 crap (some people like to log in once in a weekday, on the weekend and just do the bare minimum grinding so they can go on a roam) and might not have any confidence in the FC or they dont know any better.
The latter can be fixed by talking to them, the first by letting them contribute however they can (if this doesn't make sense to you then stop playing this game now and any other that requires any form of group activity to achieve a common goal) and the remaining by subsidizing ships so people dont have to break their balls grinding isk so they can defend alliance assets that they are getting no fucking benefit from.
If you want your peons to work for you as a CEO and for the benefit of your corp/alliance then make it in thier interest to do so. Subcap reimbursement programs if run right are a drop in the ocean compared to the Moongoo and tax income OWN should have rolling in.
Encouragement is better than treating people like shit when it comes to internet spaceships. This is an activity people do for fun, you make the experience unpleasant or exploit them and they will leave for greener pastures filled with testicles.
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The potential for causing tears in small alliances seems rather high in dek. Interesting.
If you reimburse Drakes then newbies can fly in ops for free while still having a ship that lasts more than 15 seconds (i.e. not a rifter) and actually stands a rats chance in hell of getting more than 0 damage on a killmail (i.e. not a maller.) The more people fly for free or close to it, the less they have to do the rat, which is barely above mining in terms of horrible gameplay leading to burnout and unsub. So reimbursing Drakes helps you keep the new guys around in that critical 1-4 months in period while they lose their girlfriends / wives / any semblance of natural social life that could possibly offer an incentive to pull away from internet spaceships
Also dictors / logis and the like get reimbursed at 120% or more in the mighty Goonswarm Federation, but frankly it's a bigger boost that the ships are available at cost on alliance contracts so you don't have to dick around the market for the pieces parts. If your scrublord alliance can't get people to fly dictors or logis maybe you need to yell at your market jews
In fairness I don't think people should be rushing into Drakes like they are but that's only because I think real men train support skills for eight months before shedding their minmatar frigates
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I support the reimbursement of thrashers, and only thrashers.
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BCA was the Stella Guest; OWN were TCF guests before they became GSF guests.
I've been happy with OWN turnout more and more; there's a bunch of them on our alarmclock crap from last night. We're going to go back to investigating the spreadsheets when we recover from our 'eve online, luv 2 play' hangovers from the insomnia op.
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You're forgetting rifters bro.
That certainly makes sense in the context of an alliance like TEST who draw much of their membership from out of game via websites. Other alliances draw new members from in game and as such they can expect their members to be more accustomed to grinding. In such cases excluding Drakes from SRPs can be used as a push factor to encourage pilots to move out of their comfort zone and train for something new.
And something like this is the pull factor. Who wants to spend 30 to 40 million replacing a Drake when your SRP effectively replaces your logi for free.
By contrast if you reimburse Drakes theres no push factor, so less people train towards logis: They can already fly a "free" ship so their training may take them in different directions because the logi option is less attractive.
You're right.
If people aren't training towards logi's, they must all be sitting there with empty skill queues.
I, too, have an empty skill queue because I am rock fuck stupid as well as indecisive and can't make decisions on my own without some kind of ISK incentive.
This certainly explains a lot about the TEST run fleets I have been in.
This is basically niarT's old line that you have to make losing a ship hurt in order to keep people interested in PvP and that you only have to make it hurt less to get people into the fleet ship you want. We figured out this was bullshit a long time ago and that you can basically give ships away for free~~~~ and people will play even more because you can use alliance objectives and defense of home turf as the carrot/stick instead
Literally we would just hand out fitted PvP ships from the corp hangar if we could figure out how to keep someone from scooping the whole stash and running away giggling
You seem mad.
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