1. Get raped once
2. Hatch masterplan
3. Dont fight back
4. ???
5. Profit
Providence slap fight
New Prov thread.
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1. Get raped once
2. Hatch masterplan
3. Dont fight back
4. ???
5. Profit
TLDR
New CVA leader listens to loud mouths (LFA) and attacksk -A-. Ill prepared LFA claims multiple systems in catch without telling anyone. CVA announces their invasion in IC, -A- strikes back and takes DG. Provi block cap fleet dies horribly in DG 2hrs after logging off, CCP says game is working fine and/or we have no proof. -A- along with SC and pets take over multiple systems in provi including 9UY and empire entrances. provi block realizes they can't beat the wall of supercaps, morale is low. Lonewolfknight steps down as CVA ceo due to "RL" issues leaving Aralis in power. They decide to bore -A-. -A- removes -7-, steel and FCON from provi map. -A- installs pets/renters in captured providence with NIP. CVA and rest of the holders move to low sec and continue to provide token defense against sov wars. LFA claims independence from provi block, see IC for the announcement. SF and UK claim victory on behalf of -A-, they brought 150 man fleets so they are doing their part. Butterdog invades kugu.
Link to IC thread for those who, like me, avoid that forum like the plague:
http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard...readID=1291064
TLDR of eye bleedingly long post:
LFA is declaring independence and attempting to form a new coalition under the "Free Providence Movement" which so far just appears to be them. LFA will remain NRDS and will keep its own standings list. CVA has apparently agreed to maintain neutral status and the two entities will not engage in hostilities.
In response PXF posted yet another one of those Hitler movie clips with the english subtitles. Upshot is the are reseting LFA to neutral as well.
Opinion:
Having in lived in Southern Provi for extended periods over the last 2 years I will say that LFA, although fairly cool people individually, as a space holding entity they were probably the worst holder in terms of ability and skill even going so far as to almost fail-cascade in peacetime.
There is no love lost between PXF and LFA in general, and I don't see the two remaining non hostile to each other for long.
As for beginning a new coalition, many of the large, active and skilled corps have left for greener pastures. With 200 members last time I looked and little respect from anyone remaining in Providence this proposal is pretty laughable.
Okay here is what I personally know of the null sec operations of the current alliances and the Providence situation. These are mostly unconfirmed rumors but will help wrap your mind around the fascinating political situation in Providence. This blog is not meant to offend but offer just a straight personal view along with news from the inside of a well informed grunt in the middle of it. Here is the alliance wrap up as of April 9:
Providence Holders:
CVA: SURVIVING - Currently getting pounded on but they're still holding up. Their bending but have yet to break. Other then the fight in 9Y and DG the CVA capital fleet is still intact but very bloodied. They have been bleeding both corps and allies but the core members are still very loyal. They have been expecting for AAA to get bored and I must admit the NC vs SC war may grant them a short reprieve. This though has been a bit compromised as their new agreement with the NC may warrant its complete removal by the SC in order to secure its flank. Other then that they are still in effect leading the Prov. Defense. They may even go against their no meta-gaming rule. They may seriously survive this but doubtful. (Diagnosis : Death's knocking but they still work out a deal and survive)
LFA: DYING - For the most part once their break from CVA has seriously hampered their ability to collectively resist the new power blocs. Most of their systems are in reinforced, separated, if not surrounded by enemy systems. They're seriously losing major PvP component corps from their alliance and their abandonment by CVA, in the first part of the negotiations during the initial invasion of AAA space, means they are really on their own. May be kicked out of null but will stay survive in some form and maybe come back.(Diagnosis: Death will soon have them).
SYLPH: DEAD - The initial push into Providence went right through them and unfortunately they bared the brunt of the attack. Within a week, the alliance was split off with some returning to empire while others moved into other holder corps to continue resistance. UPDATE: I did forget to mention....SLYPH did have some the best PvPer's in the Holder Alliance and the loss of them seriously weakened the defense of Providence. In order to boost their numbers they did allow another corp into their alliance, that was somehow made an executor. A proposal was brought up to change sides from CVA to AAA with the older corps refusing out of loyalty. The new executor corp then proceeded to kick the remaining corps and in essence disbanded the alliance.
SEVERANCE: MOVED AWAY - After the loss of their constellation, they moved most of their assets into empire to contemplate the next move. For the most part the inability during the war to coordinate with CVA, along with the massive numbers of enemies, meant the fall of their systems quickly to the DESHIO SYNDICATE. For the most part they were running small roaming fleet operation still in Providence until the Leadership was offered a system by Morsus Mihi to help against the upcoming NC vs SC war. rumor has it 2 corps disagree with this move and have since left the alliance. Expect to see them back in Providence in about a year. Depends how the new great war goes though. (Diagnosis: Adapting, but the wear of continual war may break em) I do admit though their black ops and covert op operations are very good.
PAXTON FEDERATION: HOLDING STRONG - Throughout the war this is an enigma as their system have not yet been really targeted yet. ATM they hold the southern entrance into Providence from the Catch Region. On top of that they are still making up the majority of the CVA defense fleets, along with the best kill ratio among all the remaining holders. All things considered, they have the best chance of surviving the onslaught intact but that means betraying allies they're very loyal to and making deals. Other then that, even then they may very well survive but in a different slate. (Diagnosis: The best of the remaining holders, but can they survive the hordes? doubtful but don't count em out yet)
COLD STEEL ALLIANCE: SLOWLY DYING - Mostly German alliance and was the neighbor to SEVERANCE in the neighboring constellation, but also suffered the same fate of bad coalition coordination and enemy numbers. Decent PvPer's but the losses of numerous battles and income from their moons and rating, to the SODALITAS XX alliance. have whittled down their combat strength. Still holding a bunch of front line systems but with the upcoming push into CVA systems, remains to be seen if they can hold. (Diagnosis: Overall don't expect them in Prov. long but more then likely they'll reform in empire and be back for what was theirs.... very soon.)
FIDELAS CONSTANS Alliance: ALMOST DEAD - At the moment squarely in the sights of AAA with most of their systems either gone or under reinforcement. As of today, according to Dolton maps, holding Sov. in 5 systems but have lost some corps as well as a full quarter of their membership. ( Diagnosis: Stick a fork in em, their dead and i don't seem em reforming, but funnier things have happened in eve.)
AEGIS MILITA: QUICKLY DYING - Under attack by new entrant AGONY EMPIRE and AAA, Still holding some Sov. but right in the smack middle of enemy systems. Most of their systems will be either in reinforced mode or will be shortly. Supply is beginning to become a problem as well as defections. Has lost over 400 members as well as almost all of the corps in the alliance. Will fall as quickly as SYLPH did (Diagnosis: The way thier bleeding corps means the end of the alliance and they will go the way of the passenger pigeon; unknown to all but those that were there when it was around).
Last edited by The Voyeur; 2010-04-09 at 09:50 AM. Reason: New Info
There was never an attack on Sylph systems - they killed themselves with forgotten sov bills, and so on...Originally Posted by The Voyeur
I don't know of any (major) black ops operation....
I appreciate you summing up whats going on, but I dont think that losing all your sov makes you "dead". FCON for example are afaik simply rebasing into empire, there are quite a few examples of alliances who have taken an almighty pounding and come back from it stronger a little down the line. U'K for example.
Sylph didnt really bear the brunt of anything, UK had been harrassing them for about a year or so with wardecs, pos bashes, etc and watching their numbers slowly drop and their corp turnover rate rocket (go look them up on dotlan for a giggle). We couldnt really do direct sov challenges due to the providence forces easily outnumbering us in both caps and subcaps, but we did manage to find a timezone where provi was less active.
The reason they finally fell (and everyone was expecting it sooner tbh) was that they recruited a random corp, made them executor and acted all shocked when this corp booted everyone out in a fit of pique over some kind of diplomatic proposal. The systems that they dropped early on in the battle for providence were simply due to them neglecting to pay the bills, leaving us to have a mad scramble to try to claim them which resulted in some very enjoyable eve playing for all involved. FCON then claimed most of their old space to deny it to us.
Okay and now for the new attacking entrants into Providence. Since their is no real name for them yet.........I'm going to call them the Providence Confederation. Most of these new alliances our not renters or pet but have Sov. and constellations, but also must try to stay Blue to the bigger boys of AAA, ATLAS, and Ursha'Khan. It remains to be seen if they'll remain friendly to each other more or less to the larger alliances. Time will tell if they can hold their own. As of today, the NC vs SC war may draw resources away, but the way things are going AAA needs to get up there as soon as it can. Again I'm not saying i know everything, and that i may be wrong, but i hope many of you can enlighten and correct my errors.
Providence Confederation
AAA - MOTIVATED - At the moment AAA is still fairly focused on the removal of CVA from Providence space, although as most people though war fatigue is beginning to creep into their ranks. That along with the calling of IT Alliance for help in the Northern War is motivating them to quickly secure their flank. After a strong initial push, fatigue of numerous POS and station bashing, fatigue took its toll, but now with a short break, and the leaving of ATLAS for the North, their redoubled their efforts. An expedition fleet has left for the north but a majority of their home system defense fleet is mopping up the remaining CVA and allied systems. Seems content to not really hold any real Sov. in Providence but be friendly to the new confederation corps and use them as a training ground and buffer states. ( Diagnosis: TIRED - continual warfare is wearing on their ranks. and the distrust between them and IT alliance may break into warfare.....but not now. By destroying CVA they hope to send a message to both IT and the rest of EVE that their the toughest kid on the block)
ATLAS Alliance: GONE NORTH - When AAA pilots did the night operations, they did the morning. Also, kept the pressure up while AAA experienced some fatigue. During the Providence campaign fielded huge number of conventional fleet numbers as well as Front line capitals, while AAA was in reserve. Came mostly for the fight, and just holds one forward operations system ATM in Providence. Now that the New Great War is on most of their fleet has moved north to open the second front on the Northern Coalition. ( Diagnosis: BLOODLUST - For them its all about the fight as most of their space is now pacified and their relations are friendly to their neighbors...atm. The entrance of RED OVERLORD and RED ALLIANCE on the SC side has freed up further resources ....for now)
URSHA'KHAN: HUNGRY - Once the fall of Unity station back to UK, it seem they have set their sights on the final destruction on CVA as well as conquering their remaining space, along with all the entrance points into Providence. They currently hold the northern entrance into Providence through Unity Station from the Empire Devoid Region. ATM their gradually connecting the dots to their systems as well as keeping continual pressure on the remaining holder systems. (Diagnosis: It looks like the UK may be the new major power in Providence, and ti looks very well they will achieve that shortly. They may send a fleet up north but the focus of their activities are in Prov.).
DAISHO SYNDICATE: CONSOLIDATING - New entrant in the system that currently hold a 4 system constellation that was the former home of SEVERANCE. Currently, doubling in numbers with new corps entering into their alliance. Very good PvPers as well as relations to the major power blocs. (Diagnosis: Strong holding a choke-point system into their space, that along with UK's Unity station, and SODALITAS XX, as neighbors guards the northern approaches of Providence. Looks to hold pretty well. May be the strongest new smaller Confederation Holder).
SODALITAS XX: CONSOLIDATING - Another new entrant in the system that currently holds a 7 system constellation, that was the former home of COLD STEEL Alliance. Also seems to be growing in numbers. Good to decent PvPers but can they hold a 7 system constellation? Looks like yes, as they also hold a choke-point system right next to UK's Unity Station as well as the neighbor of the DAISHO. Also seem to be friendly to UK and ATLAS, but particularity to AAA. (Diagnosis: Little known about them but their position as well as proximity to friendlies mean they might be able to hold. Really seems depend if UK can claim the rest of Prov.)
AGONY EMPIRE: CONSOLIDATING - Yet another, albeit late entrant into the Providence land grab but this time I'm pretty sure their under the AAA banner. Currently holds a 4 system choke-point constellation system, as well as the 2nd middle entrance system into Providence from the Empire Tash-Murdon region. Seems to be the bearing the brunt of the fighting as the current front-line minor alliance on what is remains of CVA space. ( Diagnosis: Their closeness to AAA systems, means a continual contractual presence, although i wonder if they have the numbers to control the second entrance point into prov. without getting tired. How they work with the other minor alliance Confederation Blocs remains to be seen.)
STAR FACTION: CLAIMING - Another entratn but doesn;t seem to have the luck in securing any space....yet. Not sure what system has been promised to be then but i figure it might be the remain FCON systems if not the systems in PAXTON. Currently their roaming in the middle of Prov. fleets by Agony but are friendly to most of the rest of the Providence Confederation. Good Pvpers, Good Industrial component. Were previous Providence system holders years ago until CVA and allies pushed them out i believe. (Diagnosis: Well its only a matter of time before they get their own constellation system, remains to be seen where but it seems they are promised a spot, somewhere smack dab int he heart of Providence.)
Okay this is the last part of the update that covers the just new entrants. Most are under the AAA banner but some of them seem to be either opportunist or taking advantage of the current situation to either claim systems quickly or just to harass one and all. Thanks again for the guys that are en lighting me about the SLYPH alliance as well as other. As a point of clarification, when i claim DEAD i mean in the respect of their Providence presence but more then likely many of these alliance will just reform in empire and be in a new region or come back. Sorry if i offended though. I id hear of the SLYPH thing though but it was my understanding it was in the 2nd or opening week of the SC Providence Invasion. Also their seem to be another major entrant into the fight that are separate from the new Providence Confederation but friendly to AAA and the other major Blocs . Details below...... and again please correct me if I'm so off base again. Thanks guys.
AAA Friends - New Entrant Alliances
NOIR MERC ALLIANCE - CLAIMING: It looks like the strongest merc corp in all of eve is finally making a Sov. push right into CVA space. Currently they were attacking a TCU in the center of Providence, and it looks like their here to stay. It seems they will use this Providence location as a training ground for their pilots to sharpen their teeth as well as base of operations. How this effects their merc operations remains to be seen. They have just entered into the Region on the 6th , bringing with them at least 1 titan. Their merger with the 2nd largest other merc corp Blackstorm, seems to have fueled an appetite for more breathing space. How they'll work the the other minor Providence Blocs remains to be seen but they look especially friendly to AAA. (Diagnosis: Wow, i don't know what to think of this one. We pretty much have some the best Pvpers in all of Eve dragged into the Providence war. The fact their claiming sov. is completely unexpected, and may be the ace AAA played to finally end CVA).
INDEPENDENTS
SYSTEMATIC-CHAOS: OUTPOST - Looks like they've claimed 1 system here as a remote outpost into the Providence region or as a jump off point into empire, if not to cut off CVA lower escape into empire from the lower Providence entrance. I do believe they are friendly to the major power blocs and they currently hold the last lower empire entrance into Providence. So in essence trying to block CVA's access to empire. (Diagnosis: Not much really known TBH but it looks like along with UK their to cut off and deny empire access to the remaining Holder Alliances. Why their all the way up in Providence is odd to me but can we see a claim on some CVA systems? Looks like it)
OPTICON ALLIANCE: OPPORTUNIST - It looks like they quietly moved in there and claimed one system in the far center of Providence. Unlike many of the other Providence Confederation, which are close to AAA, its seems they might be close to UK. Good PvPers that are on the front line on the remaining CVA space. (Diagnosis: New to the system but currently not known friendlies i think to the rest of the Providence Confederation minor corps. Once the major blocs are settled may exhibit more expansionist tendencies.)
DIRT NAP SQUAD: RAIDING - Seems to be making holy hell on anybody unfortunate enough to be in its way. Very good PvPers. Running around Providence hot dropping and attacking virtually everybody, but it seems they might have moved on at the moment. Their only in it for the PvP and it looks like they go where the action is. May be moving north to campaign in the upcoming Great war.
BRICK SQUAD: ROAMING - Not much info here but it seems their roaming about looking for a place to lay down some roots. Although, unlike DIRT NAP, they may be friendly to at least one of the major power blocs. It remains to be seen whether they'll lay a claim somewhere in Providence. Good to very good PvPers.
POLITICAL UPDATE:
The upcoming SC vs NC fight as already begun and it looks as if the Northern Coalition, buttressed by Morsus Mihi is holding back the western onslaught by IT Alliance. IT almost lost a Titan in a fight until more capitals and another Titan were cyno'ed in to save it. ATLAS Alliance has also opened a 2nd front in the middle but AAA needs to finish the mopping up of CVA in Providence first before the eastern front is opened. If this war goes badly for the SC, look for them maybe quickly tire and maybe focus on the remainder of CVA. CVA"s de facto extension of friendship to the NC though does mean that they may incur the point o fno return, because i highly doubt the NC would send Fleet to help yet but how the Great War plays out in whose favor will later decide the Providence situation yet again. The question mark through all of this were the Russians in both RED Alliance and RED Overlord Their entrance into the SC though has freed up further resources in the SC, who were scared of the the unpredictable nature of the large Russian Alliances. Alot of ex-Prov holder corps and alliance, such as SEVERANCE, have joined NC Alliances to fight the encroaching SC forces with the express purpose of weakling the SC and claiming their home back in Providence. Sadly, the grand experiment of CVA in Providence with their NRDS policy is at an end ATM, but something tells me whatever happens, we'll see em again somewhere. Just look how both the former BoB (IT Alliance) and the remains of Goonswarm (Goonwaffle/SOLODO) are doing in both Delve and Cloud Ring. The former Goons led by Darius Johnson are still a strong entity and they'll relish fighting IT yet again. So look for the markets of Command and Logistics ships to stay high. It remains to be soon if the new Tyrannis upgrade system for the planets may open a new round of null sec sov changes. Although it looks like yes.
Nice update there mr Voyeur. +Rep for the effort and low propaganda style.
Isn't it more likely that Noir etc have been hired as part of a final push to 'clean' Providence by -A- so that they can focus on other things?
I'm not sure tbh, Noir-KB lists the fights in Providence as a campaign, not a contract. The G.I.S. also joined Noir after parting ways with long-time Merc-Friends Com-Star, because apparently G.I.S wanted to try something new and claim space and Com-Star wanted to go back to old-school Mercenary-work.
But yeah, seeing Agony and Noir, two groups who have always been nomadic suddenly join in Providence is surprising to say at least.
Nice posts, I pretty much agree with all said. Let me give you an insight into the earlier days.
I used to be in pxf a while ago, some 8 months or so and before the shit really kicked off with aaa.
From day one I always regarded LFA as the stain of providence, I can say this now the majority of pxf agreed/agree with me on this.
AAA and the residence of southern providence always had this unwritten agreement, from the point of view of pxf, they (being aaa) regularly came into providence, in roaming gangs, sometimes small sometimes large numbers looking for a fight. Often pxf (and other allies) would fight them and win, and often also lose, it worked for both, because aaa got their fun, and pxf got really good experience and learned alot from these fights, infact I truely believe it was this constant fighting that took pxf up to where they are now.
At a guess, from the point of view of aaa, they liked having the noobs living next door, we (being pxf) provided entertainment for them and regular fights, and also posed no real sov threat, but it was all just good fun nothing too serious.
To summerise, a truely believe that aaa and pxf had alot of respect for each other at the time, and this carried on for a good year and a half or so, with both sides really having alot of fun and good fights with each other.
Then LFA stepped in, after being pretty quiet they took certain corps under their wing, 101st space marines for example, who according to LFA at the time, were one of the better PVP corps of LFA, funny wernt they one of the first to leave? They starting mass recruiting, I forgot the exact number but I think at one point, they had over 2k members, were as pxf were around the 600 mark at the time. LFA got arrogant, and cocky, and they failed to respect aaa.
We all know what happened next...
I hear different stories, some tell me LFA were instructed under CVA to attack aaa in catch, others say they did it under their own leadership. Either way, it as the worst possible mistake providence holders could make, and now CVA and holders have paid the price. All I can say is, I could see this coming, and providence holders should have done something about LFA a long long time ago. Such a shame...
sodalitas are about a month away from failcascading, hth
About a month before Dominion came out, LFA put POS down in F9E in order to get a system for their jump bridge. AAA didn't like this and removed the POS. This attack was not sanctioned by CVA command and there was much yelling.
The second attack, the 'invasion' after dominion, was sanctioned by CVA command. The goal was to capture the 'Catch Ring'. Phase 1 was the first 4 systems, F9E, SV5, WD, and 9KOE. The invasion and systems were broken up into 'phases' where various Holder alliance would 'prove their worth' and be responsible for TCU/I-HUB and POS. LFA was responsible for Phase 1. That's why you saw LFA take the systems and not CVA.
Phase 2 was the capture of QSM and the systems around KW. This was Cold Steel's responsibility and they had all the infrastructure ready. The CTA for phase 2 was formed but called off when AAA hit F9E the same day.
Phase 3 was the dyspro moon in 36n. Of course it never got there.
Some notions:
ROL has been part of what is now called the SC from the beginning, since it was Nync (ROL alliance leader) who split from Red Alliance and started to attack GoonSwarm assets in Feyth and convinced -A- to join in back in the autumn of 2008.
Red Alliance, as well as SOLAR and xLegionx, are not part of the SC. SOLAR and RA have collaborated with Atlas in Geminite, so far that's about it. In contrast to people's expectations in the NC (and probably in other places alike) the Dronerussians haven't even been involved in the current war up north, and if, 3-ways of NC vs Dronerussians vs Atlas have been reported.
Also I doubt Atlas would have been scared of Red Alliance. Ever since Atlas and co. kicked RA out of Scalding last year, the alliance is scrambling to get back up (not to mention it was dying for a year before anyways) and is miles away from posing a serious threat to Atlas or in general the Southern Coalition. No idea about the sentiments towards SOLAR and Legion.
Brick Squad have been acting totally independant for the time they are in Stain, with the exception of some temporary collaborations. From what an outsider can tell they're enjoying that kind of life; settling into Providence under -A-conditions at least doesn't seem to fit into the picture. They're most likely just there for the kills.
Actually Atlas+GC+CoW have opened the most eastern front by attacking Vale, which is - since the loss of Geminite - the NC's most eastern region.
While IT is a valid example, LODRA seems to struggle to really get back on their feet with several internal setbacks interfering (you can read a bit about it in the EO and Goon chillin thread). I can't tell how much weight those internal disputs have, LODRA though as of now remains far from being as strong as GoonSwarm were, and the goons probably are the ones less caring about it.
Finally, would you care to enlighten me about an agreement between the NC and CVA? I am aware of that Morsus Mihi was set blue prior to IT/Atlas+co. attacking the north. Yet it's been stated this happened rather out of some MM-corps bein bored, nor would have there been any deployment of capitals down south to aid CVA and the holders. I fail to see or missed the point this turned into some kind of NC-Citadel-treaty of any sort.
Nontheless, + for the effort spent.
Last edited by Malaclypse; 2010-04-10 at 04:26 AM.
...the universe is hostile, so impersonal
Devour to survive - So it is, so it's always been!
SYS-K haven't been seen around Providence since the campaign start when they took R3-K7K. After taking sov their presence in the system quickly dropped. They barely even defended it when we tried getting it back, bunch of carriers to rep the station or nothing at all, -A- and UK did the heavy lifting.
So which of you dumbass -a- or u'k alts posted this? :lol: Chest beating about removing CVA and holders from providence is like...well...there isn't anything quite that level of stupid.
I for one am patiently awaiting for the next chapter to see what CVA does and what -a-'s excuses are for not coming to help their newly installed fail alliances defend their newly handed-to-them space.
With current cva activity and ex holders being ex holders who is going to be doing the attacking?
i am sure that UK with any pet will be able to defend from a cva roaming gang.
Last edited by Jacabon Mere; 2010-04-12 at 04:45 AM. Reason: i can;t type
Don't kid yourself. U'K are probably one of the bigger fail alliances being installed. None of them are anything without their paper tiger masters holding their hand. CVA isn't good, U'K and the other failures are just 'worse'.
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