Providence slap fight

[Mr Coloredshirt]

Apparently U'K got bitchslapped by AAA during the "who gets what"-meet. Short story is U'K assumed Providence was theirs to do with as they please and AAA explained that they're no bigger than the other non-renters.

Oh and Jade "Annoyingbitch" Constantine and her Star Fraction just reset Daisho, after a SF pilot was caught scouting for a Cry Havoc fleet that was trapped in the Daisho pocket.
(SF and CH are blue for some reason)

e: They actually didn't just reset Daisho, they "declared war!". Will post logs when I get on my other EVE comp, they're pretty fucking luls with Jade and some random SF guy going all "We are not slaves, we may go where we please".

[CCP Nozh]

hahaha this is just getting started. I think we may need to keep a providence thread for a long time. Butters what is your spin on all of this? I mean you were saying you are going to run provi and let the station dockable to anyone... i guess your boss said no?

[Mr Coloredshirt]

Just saw Vipers post about the reset, won't need to post logs then :P

[Butter Dog]

Apparently U'K got bitchslapped by AAA during the "who gets what"-meet. Short story is U'K assumed Providence was theirs to do with as they please and AAA explained that they're no bigger than the other non-renters.

None of this ever happened, where are you getting this 'info' from? It's pure bullshit.

[Xyla Vulchanus]

xyla is clueless tbh

and UK will also be resetting most providence entities soon™

What do you mean by that? If you're referring to the fact that I'm not privy to decisions made or why, then yep you're right - hence my question!

But if you think I'm wrong about removing Paxton, then why? The comments about realising -A- are in charge and that Provi will not be a care-bear haven are pretty fatuous hardly revelations to me I'm afraid. However, as much as I want enemies on my doorstep - I don't want them to be Paxton or any staunch allies of CVA. We spend time removing CVA's stations but then they'll have access to 5 of Paxton's anyway, and therefore a potential foothold back into Provi. As a U'K pilot, I want to see an end to CVA and slaver alliances in Provi. Do you not share that vision Butter?

[CCP Nozh]

None of this ever happened, where are you getting this 'info' from? It's pure bullshit.

ok sure

[Butter Dog]

hahaha this is just getting started. I think we may need to keep a providence thread for a long time. Butters what is your spin on all of this? I mean you were saying you are going to run provi and let the station dockable to anyone... i guess your boss said no?

Actually we stated the opposite - that we had no desire to 'run Providence' as CVA did, and also we've stated numerous times we're not interested in Empire building. But yeah, we'll be making an announcement about NRDS and docking rights in our stations to neutrals quite soon I believe

[Butter Dog]

ok sure

it's fairly easy to prove it's pure bullshit - just ask AAA

[CCP Nozh]

What do you mean by that? If you're referring to the fact that I'm not privy to decisions made or why, then yep you're right - hence my question!

But if you think I'm wrong about removing Paxton, then why? The comments about realising -A- are in charge and that Provi will not be a care-bear haven are pretty fatuous hardly revelations to me I'm afraid. However, as much as I want enemies on my doorstep - I don't want them to be Paxton or any staunch allies of CVA. We spend time removing CVA's stations but then they'll have access to 5 of Paxton's anyway, and therefore a potential foothold back into Provi. As a U'K pilot, I want to see an end to CVA and slaver alliances in Provi. Do you not share that vision Butter?

slaver alliances? we don't do fuking RP here go back IC

[Faife]

None of this ever happened, where are you getting this 'info' from? It's pure bullshit.

o father, what a hell of witchcraft lies
in the small orb of one particular tear.

EDIT: Xyla is the best U'K poster, funny that.

[Butter Dog]

tbh UK were offered whatever space we wanted in Providence before the campaign kicked off - and we asked for 9UY, an entrance system, the two high-end moons, and a JB route... thats it. We could have asked for any other systems/constellations but we didn't request them. We're not CVA and had no wish to build an empire

Any 'who gets what' meeting would have been after that (and afaik no such meeting took place, it was a gradual process of finding people to live in Providence, ofc AAA was ultimately in charge of that) - we were asked for ideas of people to live there, but UK don't have many friends tbh apart from AAA and Cry Havoc, so we couldn't contribute many ideas

We spend time removing CVA's stations but then they'll have access to 5 of Paxton's anyway, and therefore a potential foothold back into Provi. As a U'K pilot, I want to see an end to CVA and slaver alliances in Provi. Do you not share that vision Butter?

I'm pretty sure it's "gloves off" if CVA start staging from Paxton stations Don't worry about it, see how things work out

[EveHermit]

I had a feeling that they (paxton) had made a deal a while back.

If there is a deal, the average PXF grunt isn’t aware of it, and there has been no change to standard orders.

Interesting times for Paxton – logistics will be more difficult, but mostly the reaction has been enthusiasm towards the abundant PVP.

[Manny]

Butters is right I told UK just take a marker and color in whatever they wanted. The rest was given to other parties. Provi is gonna be a fun place. Most people are playing it chill till cynojammers are in place then FIGHT CLUB IS GO!!! The only time there will be banding together is when a outisider or CVA tries to come in and take sov. Otherwise game on man game on!

*EDIT - Paxton made no deal with us. I just like there fighting spirit lack of smacktalk and they seemed to like the relationship we had. As far as people roaming our space darwinism is the best weed control. Dumb people should die its good for everyone else. Please roam more!

[Jacabon Mere]

i'm curious as to why you wouldn't let an outsider (non cva) take over a useless pet. as you say weed control if they can't defend there space let someone with more shooty skills take it. would mean mroe fun in the long run right?

[Suppilappic]

i'm curious as to why you wouldn't let an outsider (non cva) take over a useless pet. as you say weed control if they can't defend there space let someone with more shooty skills take it. would mean mroe fun in the long run right?

Do you have anyone in mind with more "shooty" skills? I wouldn't call PXF a useless pet, they are pretty competent for their size and PVP active. Can you take their space without outside assistance?

[Jacabon Mere]

i won't be taking anyones space. not really anyone in mind either.

And since when were PXF the only ones in prov? i'd say that many of the other alliances now residing there are lower in pvp skill to pxf.

[Sircussalot]

i'd say that many of the other alliances now residing there are lower in pvp skill to pxf.

Agreed.

[Antoshka]

i'd say that many of the other alliances now residing there are lower in pvp skill to pxf.

Well of course they are - they have been living at AAA's doorstep for what is it... 2 years+? There are AAA roaming gangs in PXF space almost all the time, at any time. Solo, Duo, Several guys, 20 guys, 50 guys... whatever composition you can think of - PXF learned to PvP from constant experience. Of course they are good.

But, what's your point anyway?

[Jacabon Mere]

this was my question

i'm curious as to why you wouldn't let an outsider (non cva) take over a useless pet. as you say weed control if they can't defend there space let someone with more shooty skills take it. would mean mroe fun in the long run right?

his response was that pxf are good pvpers so i told him there were other entitiies in prov. so my initial questions still stands.

EDIT: it is pretty much directed only at manny. but if you speak for AAA feel free to reply.

EDIT 2: i just realised that you pulled apart my post and by reading the first part of that 2 line paragraph you would have had your answer. But maybe you blinked and missed half of my post.

[Team Dresch]

One thing that sets Paxton apart from most of the other holders is that there is a strong emphasis on PVP that comes from the top down.
Both the rhetoric and the practical support (particularly the excellent PVP-focused ship replacement program) reinforce that.
They also have a core of good FCs and have been working towards being able to field their own fleets completely independent of CVA and other holders for the last year or more.

Glad to see it's all paying off.

[Butter Dog]

Personally I like Paxton and the spirit they show. Although some people within UK want them to be removed I don't think they appreciate that we need nearby targets who actually fight to keep our roamers happy. Pragmatism > RP in this instance.

I'm really looking forward to the new Providence dynamic and I think AAA have done an excellent job setting it up, and deserve credit for that.

[Czech Lion]

Personally I like Paxton and the spirit they show. Although some people within UK want them to be removed I don't think they appreciate that we need nearby targets who actually fight to keep our roamers happy. Pragmatism > RP in this instance.

I'm really looking forward to the new Providence dynamic and I think AAA have done an excellent job setting it up, and deserve credit for that.

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[Butter Dog]

So you think UK are secretly unhappy that CVA have been removed from Providence, and we're just saying we are to appease AAA?

Really?

lolz

[Ltd SpacePig]

Submissiveness is the incidence or trait of voluntarily yielding to the expressed will of another or some display of force. Within human relationships there may be a submissive partner. This partner may be trying to appease the others through agreeing to their command. If they are otherwise healthy this partner may be content. If one or both of the people are experiencing chronic, pervasive emotional distress then the sex partners or individuals may require re-evaluation. People who are eager and willing to take on a recurring submissive role in a relationship or who fetish/fetishize the trait of submissiveness may seek out others that share their interest or form long term pairings based on consenting to heightened levels of submission in a relationship.

Dude.. WTF.. stop smoking that pipe

[Czech Lion]

I'm really looking forward to the new Providence dynamic and I think AAA have done an excellent job setting it up, and deserve credit for that.

So you think UK are secretly unhappy that CVA have been removed from Providence, and we're just saying we are to appease AAA?

I am saying that a group that wanted to fight the believers/unbelievers (dunno what side you are) and conquest the region, did mostly nothing of importance in the big picture vs. CVA+friends, while Atlas and AAA conquered the space for you, i wouldnt be proud about it.

I wouldnt be proud in RL nor in game if i have to rely on the boss or overlord in order to do my job, to accomplish anything. Sometimes you have to do it, and everyones take it as it gets you some advantage and noone cares, but i wouldnt be celebrating it.

Btw. Iam not mad about UK winning or CVA loosing, as win is a win. Why do you celebrate your inability to achieve your groups goal on your own, thus praising your weakness in having to rely on AAA to accomplish anything makes me wonder Thus you naturally must be submissive natured people, as you enjoy it, judging by your i love AAA posts.

PS. If its part of the U´K roleplaying than i take it back, asi i understand actors have to act based on the script.

[Xennith]

I dont think theres any shame or weakness in not being able to take out a 10000 man coalition with 1000 guys. CVA had friends, we got friends too.

I think its a bit unreasonable to expect UK to manage alone against CVA + PXF + -7- + AM + LFA + FCON + IRED + SYLPH + VVA + CSA + (anyone I've forgotten), but I also think that UK have performed pretty well in our second big sov war, certainly better than the first time anyhow. YMMV.

[Wire]

It's a shame really, paxton was the one provi alliance I really wanted to die.

[Shared Analysis]

As far as I am aware most of CVA and Friends has respect for U'K and -A-. Yes they lost their systems etc, noone blames them for blobbing it's just a recognised tactic. CVA and Co just couldn't handle the metagame, no right and wrongs again just different play styles.

The people who cry outrage on the forums even this one, let's be honest would cry outrage on the forum if they slipped on the ice in winter, it's the nature of forums

Lets be honest the Holders blobbed invaders when they could, someone just bought a bigger blob.

Doesn't make the achievement any less for u'k all alliances try for numerical advantage one way or another.

I'm glad PXF will still be in Provi plent of gf's all round I can understand some -A- friends wanting them gone, but I can also see the advantages to both sides of keeping them there.

to both sides in the kudos for keeping things entertaining recently, it's been a change from IT BoB Goons drama.

Here's hoping Provi stays for a long time.

[Billy86]

I think its a bit unreasonable to expect UK to manage alone against CVA + PXF + -7- + AM + LFA + FCON + IRED + SYLPH + VVA + CSA + (anyone I've forgotten), but I also think that UK have performed pretty well in our second big sov war, certainly better than the first time anyhow. YMMV.

Most people in here from SC has at one point said CVA and friends were not worthy the space when they can not defend it against SC. I find it ironic to read UK then deserve the space when they depended on outside forces to claim it.

Maybe its biased posting or just trolling. Still ironic.

[Arkady Sadik]

Most people in here from SC has at one point said CVA and friends were not worthy the space when they can not defend it against SC.

Actually, Hardin said that.

[Butter Dog]

Why do you celebrate your inability to achieve your groups goal on your own, thus praising your weakness in having to rely on AAA to accomplish anything makes me wonder Thus you naturally must be submissive natured people, as you enjoy it, judging by your i love AAA posts.

It's called being realistic. We had 0% chance of success in assaulting ProvidenceBloc alone, we've always said that. We're happy with the contributions we've made - our participation has been excellent throughout, way beyond what I think anyone expected.

[Manny]

Last CVA station falling to a all Minny fleet


http://a-kills.us/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=361488

[Manny]

LOL

[RansomList]

Who is

counterfeitthe

?

[CCP Nozh]

pathetic

[progodlegend]

Ushra'khan IGS statement incoming im assuming.

[Xennith]

Ushra'khan IGS statement incoming im assuming.

I dont think that many people could begrudge us a post on IGS after CVA get removed from providence. Ill be proven wrong fairly soon I'm sure.

[Faife]

machariels aren't minmatar.

[Manny]

machariels aren't minmatar.

rules for the day were

1) you had to be in a rusty ship

2) NRSI not rusty shoot it

[Mr Coloredshirt]

thought NRSI was Not Red Shoot It

[Butter Dog]

The 200 strong minnie fleet was just wonderful - a great way to finish the campaign!

[pinoyzzz]

Congratulations, your carebear blob defeated the other carebears (who probably didn't show up). You are now elite PvPers and worthy of internet respect.

AAA's transformation to MCFIX is complete -- complete with hilariously bad propaganda pictures of fancy ships shooting inanimate objects and smug posts.

"Against ALL Authorities" explicitly roleplaying as minmatar blobbers is a testament to how far they've fallen from 2006-07 in human capital (or alternatively, how shitty Eve has become).

[Manny]

Congratulations, your carebear blob defeated the other carebears (who probably didn't show up). You are now elite PvPers and worthy of internet respect.

AAA's transformation to MCFIX is complete -- complete with hilariously bad propaganda pictures of fancy ships shooting inanimate objects and smug posts.

"Against ALL Authorities" explicitly roleplaying as minmatar blobbers is a testament to how far they've fallen from 2006-07 in human capital (or alternatively, how shitty Eve has become).

There was nothing smug about it. It was rather comedy tbh. Apparently you're so bitter that no matter what I would say you would find some way to extract whatever persona you see us as potraying. We shot undefended structures anyone that thinks that is associated with being elite is a utter faggot. CVA was convinced that we would be too ADD and get to bored to take 50 stations and it would take us a year to do so. It was a motherfucker the last few weeks I could barely summon the willpower to login to do it. The CVA tears are what kept me going in the end.

So pinoyzzz im sorry that you are so butthurt.

[pinoyzzz]

You seem to have an odd definition of comedy.

Perhaps you should keep to IGS rather than K.com

[Faife]

You seem to have an odd definition of comedy.

Perhaps you should keep to IGS rather than K.com

i'm not one to tell someone else what they should find funny.

[EveHermit]

It's called being realistic. We had 0% chance of success in assaulting ProvidenceBloc alone, we've always said that. We're happy with the contributions we've made - our participation has been excellent throughout, way beyond what I think anyone expected.

I can’t think of any of the old Proviblock who matched your participation rates across the campaign. Respect for that.

[Chadstick]

Looks like a system in LFA space fell to UK today:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/F-DTOO

Any details on how that went down, participation levels, etc?

[Malaclypse]

It's called being realistic. We had 0% chance of success in assaulting ProvidenceBloc alone, we've always said that. We're happy with the contributions we've made - our participation has been excellent throughout, way beyond what I think anyone expected.

I would guess that the underlying though of Czech was that RP minnie victory trumpets (not just - and in fact the least - from you) are blown, while this whole campaign actually had shit-nothing to do with any RP motives nor was it fought between two roleplaying teams. U'K in this just happened to be on -A-'s side and their presence under -A-'s wings/in their space served as an excuse a postiori for LFA's attack on -A-'s space. That's as much "RP" as one can find in this whole conflict. That is why you didn't achieve "your group's goal" on your own, where "group" here isn't the -A-bloc but the minnie rp group. But to be fair and as mentioned above, this wasn't a roleplay-conflict to begin with and not "your group's" responsability it got started.

On a sidenote though, regarding being "alone": Were SF, EM and whatever other pro-minmatar roleplaying entity never to be convinced to coordinate an attack on provi? *honestquestion*

[DarkMatter]

Manny, Manny, Manny. I will enjoy watching your pilots cry in caod about being out blobbed and how terrible this game is because of the amount of lag now that you can move north, or reset IT cause you know the north isn't somewhere you want to go.

[EveHermit]

Looks like a system in LFA space fell to UK today: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/F-DTOO Any details on how that went down, participation levels, etc?

Post on SHC suggested LFA dropped sov for no apparent reason. They tried onlining a TCU - defended by a cruiser if their killboard is to be believed. Paxton then arrived (around 50, mix of BC, Tackle and Bombers), and anchored their own TCU. UK then turned up (with about 70 to 80, ~15 Caps, ~30 BS), killed both TCU and claimed the system.