I'd ask if you meant BoB or IT but both of them regularly did nothing so I don't get it.Originally Posted by AJ Regard
I'd ask if you meant BoB or IT but both of them regularly did nothing so I don't get it.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
I meant both.
IF we succeed and end up with no enemies, you would be looking at years of doing nothing.
I can't remember us (bob/it) going for more than a few month without something happening in the last 3 years time frame.
Oh wow, your definition and mine of "long periods of time" are wayyyyyy different.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
"....in a video game"
Little by little, one goes a long way
Formerly the artist known as Serj, Ykatni, Acobar, Intravenous deMilo and about fifty other mains/alts the last few years.
No more character sales when I ragequit, seriously....
The fun and games will be the drama bombs that are bound to follow.
NC would be very foolish to try and defend in a traditional manner if heavily outnumbered.
Spaceships are serious business
for realz
Killing the main NC entities isn't a feasible task, however booting them to NPC/Empire would delay any comeback by a mile as most leaders take breaks after such happenings.
I'd be totally down for moving up North with the rest of Atlas, no matter the long term/end result.
Putting bets on RAGE as the first NC entity to either switch sides, negotiate a sekret deal or move to Empire.
/troll
I can't wait to see which NC entity PL naps first in the name of "cap killing" or "good fights".
Edit: Dastommy makes me horny.
Spaceships are some people's primary or secondary income sources and serious business -- not ISK farmers, who are more like cattle to be herded -- but russians (not from Moscow which is fairely wealthy) or ukrainians, or similarly economically depressed countries in greater europe. You can't blame them when they're stuck in a shitty country with no opportunity, even if you take some sort of trite moral ehonour stand.
Every tech moon, every renter, every reaction POS and every warm body is a potential income source. Massive blobfests with hordes of sheeple is a way to ensure that income and space. You can look at AAA as an example, which for years has recruited english speaking pilots/grunts to defend space and empire alt alliance POSes. Macro ravens in RSTQ or AAA C in stain/impass, RAT reaction/moon/drug POSes in impass/stain, are almost 100% safe income sources, and many RAT directors were banned because of it in the recent past. They're smarter now and run alt alliances/separate entities like UN1CUM that are harder for CCP to scrutinize or trace back to AAA.
ROL is now catching on to this method of recruiting english-speaking sheeple.
You don't get it. NC will never cease to exist until the day comes that MM and Razor pull the plug, even if both entities lose all their space temporarily, nothing will change unless the players give in. MM and Razor have lost their territory before.
It hasn't been an issue for a long time.[*]Game mechanics, jump freighters, huge capital fleets, 70+ titans/ms in each powerblock make defending space very easy even over 10 regions.
This is nothing new either.[*]Renters/pets pay you for space, and there is/will be enough of those, as the same pet alliances of NC will just change the master in order to keep it.
So you think this Nirvana will exist once the NC is gone? I don't think there is anyone down south smart enough to do the math, but they may prove me wrong. Who is going to be the enemy when NC is gone? That entity would have just as much incentive as the NC in seeing the North fall.No war or even possibility of war south. AAA wont attack Atlas as Drones wont care about Atlas, and Atlas wont go and attack Fountain. Whats left to shoot or to defend....ok Stainwagon shoots Sys-K, but thats laughable, as they still blue to AAA and will stay so.
That explains a desire to attack, it doesn't mean that the attack will be successful. If the servers are as bad as the last part-time war then I doubt the good fight will thrill people for long.Lack of other targets, so people having constantly pvpv chars up with support is the only reasonable way to have targets or shoot something.
Example: check Init killboard, example of alliance that has less kills as 1400 men alliance vs my 29 men corp (or similar etc.) or our glorious 150 men alliance - Reason: surrounded by blues and boredom.
IT is pretty much GBC. They are just inside rather than outside. It doesn't make them any better or worse.MAX failed partly due to Bob pets tanked down, now they mostly in IT, and they have 5500 people as the by far biggest alliance in game.
lol there will be nothing to rampage. It will be North vs South in Tribute. I think we will actually crash eve.Having 5 spareheads each capable of holding on their own makes defense pretty impossible, so NC will pile in Tribute prolly, but 2 of the blocks can keep them there, while the other 3 rampage everything else.
lol yeah, I want to move into a warzone. You listed this as a reason why it will succeed?Once people see this invasion, there is enough pets/renters to live up north, and the SC will just wait the remains of NC stuck in NPC space.
[/QUOTE]IT got back as NC/PL/Goons felt too arrogant and overconfident, bet that SC wont make the same mistake and dont even play with resets, plus IT had support of AAA/Atlas/Tri/etc to make sure that noone will help PL/Goons in time.[/QUOTE]
lol are you for real? So in your delusional mind you think NC will be gone and IT, -A- and Atlas will live happily ever after? 2 of those will backstab the third. And once that entity is dead IT will reset the other one. BoB has never been an entity to twiddle their thumbs for very long.
What do you mean almost? They have been a non-entity since the failed sov bill. They weren't involved in Max anyway.Goons are almost nonexistant so the biggest NC/Goon advantage - the US tz is gone. While with russians SC controls all timezones. Plus goonies are kind of done after Delve and DJ impregnating his wife
Wont need to, IT will be at war with at least one if their current allies by Christmas and while distracted MM/Razor could reclaim the North, sounds familiar? Pretty much how IT got back in the game.Overratted confidence in peoples stamina and willingness to play empire/npc games......yes sure many will stay, but they wont be able to make any gains in future and will be irrelevant like all parties that promised hell from mpire/npc space. - again NC wouldnt take space from 1 of the 4 blocks, so waht makes people believe they will do it after most of their numbers/resources/playtime is gone
Assuming we lose, once the dust settles we will probably dwell somewhere like Venal, build up the personal wealth a bit, will start to take some moons away from the trash that moves into the north, focus on minor entities at first, then once the south goes into civil war move in and club whatever baby seals have been given space up north. And the circle of life, or undeath, continues. Only shit alliances fall apart when faced with a major setback.Lost income - from renters/moons......everyone should have the magic stockpiles, but usually the isk is gone or in few peoples hands, the normal pvpers losses or caps are to be replaced by day to day isk making, once that gone, directors go suddenly avol or scam or just tell people to rat, which makes people just join another group with the isk capabilities.
It really depends on how bad the offensive is. If they keep jumping into massive fleets and get wiped out then it could make things interesting. A lot depends on who comes over, most of the SC entities have a pretty mediocre recruitment standard, we would need luck on out side, get a few favourable disconnects/reconnects like in Max, some hilarious cap fleet wipeouts and you would be surprised how quickly the rats jump ship. Morale is important in such conflicts.NC wouldnt atm defeat any of the 4 remaining SC+Friends Blocks solo: AAA+friends/Atlas+friends/Drones+friends/IT+friends. So the logical argument, we will dissolve NC, than reset each other as the danger to keep SC is gone, is untrue, as they could reset each other now and still be in no danger from NC at all.
lol you think life was better when Bob was on top? A majority of the half-wits on the SC side fought against IT or benefit from IT's demise. Goons gave all their territory away with the death of BoB. PL just wanted BoB dead and reset everyone after delve2. There isn't much difference between IT and NC, the others will always be fodder until the people behind these entities get bored and leave EVE. There is just a void of leadership outside these two entities.Its ofc their choice to shoot what they want, just we are the closest here to the breaking point of having 0.0 under charge of people, who have seen what resets do (aka PL/NC/Goons) and the same story of we cant dissolve our NAP cause NC is still there in Venal waiting for that will float around forever. Like the supposed terrorists that make us buy more weapons and loose more freedom every day....it just serves the purpose of the selected individuals in charge.
No matter who wins or what happens, this war will be bad for everyone. Especially CCP.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
If CCP needs any real testing done for any solutions dealing with lag issues(yeah right) this is a good way to get it.
As i said a few pages back, I understand that IT needed to get a fight up north, i was just expecting that Molle would be confident enough in his alliance to go up alone, but no he already pre-arranged 5 teams. o/\o
(as if, there would be always some entities that jump on the bandwagon without even asking).
The thing is, IT could have done it alone, but they did choose not to. And i believe that IT could have leaded this campaign more successfull than MAX, because the Russian block is putting pressure on Venal and contesting moons and they can always secure a front.
this thread is what Kaeydan has been training for all his life
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By the way, I still doubt this offensive is going to work. Way I see it, there's two ways this can go:
IT and pals win and this retarded 0.0 polarization finally breaks up (and maybe the game gets better), or NC wins and I get to rub two months of blurfing in all your faces.
It's win-win, so long as you don't actually play the game.
molle is arrogant, not stupid
hey guys my favorite team is going to win this season because
The polarization will break up and result in another polarization, hate to break it to you. Eve is far too reliant on numbers for any other situation to be plausible.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
Oh well I hope the NC wins then
If I had to guess, I'd say the NC stays intact with much less space than before.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
Unfortunately true, but different gameplay styles are less reliant on numbers than others. There is some hope that after the dust settles and/or the servers breakdown, more people will adopt a style less reliant on vast numbers. I personally hope that ccp can sort the sov system to funnel gameplay into diminishing returns on fleet sizes, but I think that's a vain hope.
It's all relative, but he's dumb. Really dumb. He is unremarkable in both formulating stratagem, adaptability and mental acuity. When BoB lost TWD and Farjung, it was over.
The only mental character trait I would not attributed to Molle a few years ago is naïveté, but that changed with Haargoth :lol:
He has some sort of weird cult of personality still, probably for his ability to stay calm in internet spaceships battles, but other than that, I have no idea why people still follow or respect him.
The nc can't hold and let's face the facts, whenever an alliance loses space the hemerage members. These then usualy join some spaceholding entity. Will razor or MM be a threat after the lose, yes. A significant threat, no.
This war will be the last chapter in the book of the second great war. A new book will start called "renters online" with all the hurf blurf in it
yeah really.
Seen a few IT in EC- today, a few more in torrinos. And so it begins...
Booting them to empire or NPC space would delay them from coming back. If you actually move up there, they could be a real pain in the rump.
I can't see RAGE taking a deal for space though. They are extremely close friends with Majesta and probably wouldn't dagger their backs like that. I can see them pulling back to Trib or Tenal or something and standing with the other NC forces there though.
To all of the NC and PL bitter faggots that cry about this war:
This shit is happening, there is no going back, please learn to deal with it. Nobody in the South will attack IT space while they are fighting NC, there is nobody coming to save you. Now my elite predictions:
1) MM will move to lowsec and restart as a roleplaying alliance
2) Razor will move to Geminate NPC station and will post really long battlereports about killing 10 battleships
3) All other shitty NC alliances will dissolve as they lose space
3) Except for Lodra, which will invade Scalding Pass, destroy all of the Southern isk income and will become a new superpower under the expert leadership of DJ
With what's expected to be assulting, the NC would not be able to hold any more than 1 region and that would end as soon as the others were captured.
There is no hope, surrender now and we may cut you a deal
Speaking of which, I believe some new constellations will be opening up in Providence shortly.
Now THATS a post! +1
I don't think anyone does expect them to win. Either the servers can't support it or they lose. Either way, lol have fun shooting stations.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
It goes really fast if you use caps, sub-caps lawl have fun indeed.
its gonna come down to endurance. if NC can huddle into brach and Tenal and maintain their numbers they can bore the attackers to death. Especially if they hire few good mercenaries to harass enemy logistics including alt alliances.
it can be fast with caps but it can be pretty slow if the server takes a dump
that's a pipedream
Stations can be reinforced in 1 siege cycle, and since no gun and shield its easier than towers.
Just going to repeat once again that CCP should have stripped out those nigh on worthless API/fleet features that are causing the "new" lag as soon as it became obvious that it wouldn't go away with time.
but how can i possibly be in a fleet without lootlogging.
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Can't get away with blue l00ting, I hate it
Sounds like fun!
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
guristas are worse, i'll go join havoc or live in npc space between campaigns
I hear ECM npcs make plexes so much fun.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
Yea anomalies are really fun to do with drakes w/o ECCM
/sarcasm off
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heh
I hear doing anomalities in supercaps gives a decent isk/time ratio. I heard from a guy who heard from a guy that some it members rats in titans now
Nyx + Sanctums/Havens = 120mil/h =)
Also, hilarious killmails.
After 100-200 hours of ratting you can actually start making money.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
Fucking seriously. If the tactic is to "crash nodes"... Then what the fuck is the point of this game. I fly with the NC in MM. I have to ask myself what the fuck sometimes...........???? I want good fights, and all I will probably get is undying lag with nodes dcing everyone all the time. It's bad enough we have to come up with hot fixes to fight properly in big fleet battles, but I'm starting to realize that there is truth in the above statement. I'm still a bit new to the whole 0.0 and I'm sure it will be fun as hell either way, but CCP need to fucking man up and get there code in order or completely make the game a new with better code period.
"We will be crashing nodes as much as possible". What a fucking joke. I thought good fights were to do with tactics that were actually thought out and good and so far the NC has been great at doing these things. If molle's whole goal is to crash the nodes then I was really mislead about what this game can deliver. Done.
If your corp ticker stands for 'best idea' then that is pretty ironic
lol
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