mostly meh FCON porn

[Faife]

their forums aren't very active. they're one of the new holders and are currently being evicted by atlas+co.

Re: 9F under attack
by Lightowler » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:25 am

confirming that we kick ass and lol atlas

just look at those battlereports and how out numberd we wer, Lag was p.bad fc'n was p.good, running low on ships but getting rich from insurance

Re: So, what's the plan now?
by Xiang Jiao » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:54 pm

We should "fail cascade" on purpose - drop alliance, and reform again later. Maybe we can leave the holdings corp in FCON just as a place holder. That way, our enemies will never anticipate our next move. We get a few months to work on a new plan and mission statement. We achieved our last objective, if only for a short while. There are also the considerations of changing our blue list and making the conversion over to NBSI.

I am not in charge (probably for a good reason) but this seems like what almost every alliance does after a catastrophic change. You just have to recalibrate from the ground up to suit your current needs.

Re: So, what's the plan now?
by Uriel Winston » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:16 pm

Fekaline wrote:
I plan on harassing the new comers to 9f. I intend on making their life as miserable as possible.


by giving them pew pew you wont do that.

let the them rest, let them grow soft and fuzzy and in the following months we will harvest them.

i want atlas to get high value assets in 9-f i really want it.

for me the loss of 9-f means 1 great thing: after all these months defending, its time we can actually be aggressors!!! its a part of the game still unknown to me and really interest about it.

^ i like this guy :3
i'm certainly planning on living in 9-f, putting in high value assets, and growing soft and fuzzy.


one from march 5th:

FCON FINAL STAND 9-F TO STOP THE SIEGE PROCESS
by Lupus Aurelius » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:37 pm

FCON FINAL STAND 9-F TO STOP THE SIEGE PROCESS
From: Lupus Aurelius
Sent: 2010.03.05 15:49
To: Fidelas Constans,

As you may all be aware, 9-F was sieged yesterday, but several things happened that give us hope to possibly ebd the process:

-No attaempt was made to kill the cynojammer, nor to bring capitals in
-We managed to get an SBU into structure, and it WAS NOT repaiered
-No attempt was made to take out a POS to put a safe POS for capitals and supercapitals

This is radically different from previous system assaults, and speaks highly of the defensive measures we took to limit the enemies stratergy for this system, and may have bought us sufficient time to actually STOP IT!

Outpost comes out of reinforced at Saturday EVE time 23:25
IHUB comes out of reinforced at Saturday (Friday American TZones) 2:15 EVE time

ALL FCON, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BUY A HULL FOR YOU, ARE TO FORMUP IN 9-F AT THE MOON V-1 POS AT 23:30 TODAY, AND AT 21:00 SATURDAY.

THIS IS OUR LAST 2 TIMES TO EFFECTIVELY KILL THAT UNREPPED SBU, WE DO THAT, AND EVERYTHING RESETS. THE ENEMY'S PUSH HAS SEEN GREATLY REDUCED NUMBERS AND ASSETS ON THE FIELD, AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL THE SBU INVOLVED.

LUPUS AURELIUS
SENIOR CONSUL

march 6th, one day later:

Re: FCON FINAL STAND 9-F TO STOP THE SIEGE PROCESS
by Rusty Lance » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:23 am

Well that didn't go too well. We didn't get many "holders" help us.

Manks and PK did an excellent job considering what they were up against.

Think there was slight confusion on whether to shoot the reds killing us or to carry on shooting the SBU.

The other holders got abit emo at times.

Maybe we should try SB hit and run next time ?

Re: FCON FINAL STAND 9-F TO STOP THE SIEGE PROCESS
by Xiang Jiao » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:16 pm

That was quite a battle on Friday. Props to Dewgong for sacrificing five Tech 2 ships and his pod! The gods are pleased.

And here's to everyone who coughed up a cap in defense of the i-Hub last night. *cheers*

^ i appreciate it too

re that arcon (sic) with NOS on the "comedy killmails" thread:

Re: Battle of 9-F on 6th March 2010
by Lightowler » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:57 pm

bni dat arcon : / work on your fit befor you deploy again pleas

also their official alliance RR armor tanking maelstrom fit has 2 target painters. they're so cute, i just want to huggle them

some older stuff:

NEGATIVITY IN VENT/ALLIANCE
by Manks Girl » Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:47 am

OK

I hear alot of people speaking negatively about current ops in alliance channel and vent.

What you must understand is you think cva and holders think we dont have infiltration of spies.. we do they know but theres little we can do. You let yourself get bogged down with thoughts of spies and blahblahblah then you dont think of fighting for what is right, you let -a- win!

Dont be weak minded people, have some pride and dignity! Have personal drive and perserverance! Do not let -a- neg you out like that... that is meaning they are winning in bashing your morale which is then passed on to alliance chat wish you help bash everyone elses morale... and so on and so on! this is the game they play dont let yourself be a pawn!!!

Re: NEGATIVITY IN VENT/ALLIANCE
by Xiang Jiao » Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:46 am

I have taken offense to a couple of comments in recent days.

I have made some disparaging remarks about Eve game play and tactics, but I would never presume to question an FC's orders while in fleet or tell people how best to enjoy a game.

When I hear comments like, "We will kill you if we find you in an anomaly" or "Your CEO will raise taxes to 100%" when you aren't ponying up for the war effort, I see the first steps down a dark road to bleak future. I have never felt pressured to join a fleet or needed an incentive before because I love to participate. However, I think the general atmosphere has turned very sour in the past four to six months.

First , the message was, "Stop missioning in high sec, come to Provi and participate!" The carrot was dangled, and we got our SRP program, system and station. Yay, congratulations to us all. The future is bright. Look, there's a newbie that lost a freighter during a CONCORD war. Haha. (Funny, I "saved" a CVA freighter from the same fate by screaming in Citadel.) People are prone to their little emo fits from time to time. On a related note, comments got turned off on the KB.

Now, the negativity has reached a new low. You can't really laugh it off any more. We are not all elite soldiers in this alliance. There is more to this game than just overheating your guns, and aligning to stuff. Industry has to continue in order to move the war machine. Did anyone realize that we had an alliance mining operation scheduled this past week? I barely noticed. The players behind the scenes need the support of the military arm and vice-versa. This week marks the first year of Fidelas Constans. We need desperately to regain the dynamic synergy for which we are known or we will not see a second birthday.

Re: NEGATIVITY IN VENT/ALLIANCE
by Panem et Circenses » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:44 am

We are all extremely stressed out (I know I am); we've had sov for 2 months, which have been spent organising and adapting, spending a LOT of ISK, and doing things for our corps and the alliance which aren't fun, because it needed to be done. The organisation still isn't over, it's very much ongoing.

Now we have a sov war, which means organising, adapting, spending a LOT of ISK, and doing things etc etc.

The result? I'm drained, broke and short tempered, and I'm only a corp director; I can only imagine how CEO's and alliance leadership feel.

Panem
Panem et Circenses

Re: NEGATIVITY IN VENT/ALLIANCE
by Renarri » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:47 pm

To those of you who help the industry ignore this post, I love you guys. To everyone else suck on my flamethrower!

Well to be honest I am just tired and not willing to fight for industry anymore. The whole reason I do industry is to allow us to afford having pew pew, CTA's, and WAR! I called a mining op CTA but got chewed out for calling it a CTA. We wont let any mining corps in to the alliance. Then the people who are willing to promote my industry agenda's get labeled carebears. Oh ya good news too, the SRP is out of minerals. So I am taking BC's off the SRP list as of 01/31/2010.

NEWS FLASH!!! YOU NEED AN INDUSTRY TO AFFORD AN ARMY

Seriously guys keep it up and I will glady throw this shit back in Gremrod's lap and go back to making myself shit tons of iskies for myself.

Oh and if you think I am upset now, imagine how annoyed I was before I got laid then wrote this flame!

and finally, from a CVA "holders suck in fleets" post:

...
1) CTA! Everybody get in Fleets! Stop doing anything else!!!111!eleven
I am playing EVE for 1 year and 8 months and noticed that sometimes it is extremely difficult to explain one very basic thing. When you read header above. What is the first thing that come to your mind? Usually I see reactions like "I have work/school/wife aggro/crying kids/party planned/tickets for MJ Reborn concert"... This is wrong reaction!
...
) Basic behavior in fleet. I will touch this in simple points, there is IMHO not much to discuss since once you try to FC some fleet (of any size) you will absolutely understand what it is about. So go out and try it sometimes. If you do not want to try it for any reason then do not discuss and simply follow these rules. Thank you million time in advance.

Fleet morale and fleet chat/voice comms - KEEP THEM CLEAR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
- DO NOT try to show to FC that you know much better than him. This apply especially for fleets of size we are currently facing in Catch Ops. Our FCs are communicating with assigned scouts in target systems. They communicate with other FCs in other fleets. They have 100 times more info than you.
- DO NOT express your frustration about: lags, boredom, fleet size, people not joined in fleet but online in alliance channel, crashed EVE client. This does not help to anything at all. You are SPAMER if you do it.
- DO NOT be an a-s-s-hole. When you are in fleet you are supposed to be soldier that follows the orders. Using of your brain is indeed required. But it does not mean you are free to do anything. When you are in fleet: You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
...
Local chat - DO NOT POST IN LOCAL
CVA (and Holders) is (are)... should be... based on some standard. This says that we are not role-playing idiots in space. We role play noble men and women fighting for the glory of Amarr. If you realize it, than you will only smile on those funky enemy messages in local chat. They just try to annoy you and you are jumping on it like a kid on candy when you answer them.

NOTE: please ignore the last part and read my local smack. i'm very witty and funny and attractive and successful and would never shit up local just cause i'm bored

amusing bit on the last post, FCON might be better than CVA though, at least now. they at least successfully bombed our hacs once or twice, because spreading out after warp in is hard :atlas:

[Rikeka]

I applaud their spirit (the FCON guys, I mean), and maybe what they need is to hone their skills more. I don't know them but if that's the worse you could find, that'd not bad. With some luck, and if they do well/better in the future, they can later return to Providence, take a station somewhere, and fight their neighbors, improving as they go. Learning process and all that shit.

Personally, I'd love to see Providence as a region full of different alliances (even CVA and present ones that live there), NBSI or NRDS, that fight each other, gangs roaming all through out it. Would be awesome to have them all neutral, of course, for more close-by pewpew.

No CVA fan here, but what they say in that last quote of yours is reasonable.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Yeah, lets make Providence a samey shithole no different than Cloud Ring or Geminate or any other generically subpar region in the game.

[Quesa]

Most of Eve is sub-par by your definition. People still undervalue the upgrades.

[Rikeka]

Yeah, lets make Providence a samey shithole no different than Cloud Ring or Geminate or any other generically subpar region in the game.

In fact those regions are completely different to each other.
And CR is quite a fun region.

[Faife]

Yeah, lets make Providence a samey shithole no different than Cloud Ring or Geminate or any other generically subpar region in the game.

well this is certainly a fresh viewpoint that hasn't been hashed out before on these threads

[Permanente]

prov having a massive coast against empire surely increases its real estate value

[Alex Clomsaver]

well this is certainly a fresh viewpoint that hasn't been hashed out before on these threads

It isn't fresh because it is so obvious that you would have to be autistic not to see it.

[Faife]

It isn't fresh because it is so obvious that you would have to be autistic not to see it.

i think it's pretty unambiguous that U'K will turn that place into a shithole, but i don't see your point. are you suggesting providence deserves special treatment cause they're the magical wonderland where CCP's vision of EVE comes to life?

[Alex Clomsaver]

I don't expect special treatment but I don't think that anyone should be cheering the increased homogenization of the game.

Also Atlas is CCP's vision of Eve, not CVA.

[Faife]

I don't expect special treatment but I don't think that anyone should be cheering the increased homogenization of the game.

Also Atlas is CCP's vision of Eve, not CVA.

man, never thought you to be one of the "leave cva alone" types

[Alex Clomsaver]

I am not saying they should be free to do what they want, I am only saying that the game will be worse for a hell of a lot of people without them with benefits going to very, very few people.

[Permanente]

Also Atlas is CCP's vision of Eve

Explain?

[Alex Clomsaver]

They want powerful landlords overlooking what amounts to pre1865 plantations and thats basically what Atlas has turned the southeast into.

[Faife]

I am not saying they should be free to do what they want, I am only saying that the game will be worse for a hell of a lot of people without them with benefits going to very, very few people.

oh, i totally agree.

i'm still rolling them.

EDIT: also, keep in mind that i really doubt atlas+aaa will bother to finish this. the process is slow as hell and odds are something distracting will happen before the last stations fall. after which CVA will kick U'Ks ass up to whatever point AAA props them up

[graalum]

They want powerful landlords overlooking what amounts to pre1865 plantations and thats basically what Atlas has turned the southeast into.

I think its more like the post 1865 sharecropping debt-slavery type dealio

[Sircussalot]

I think its more like the post 1865 sharecropping debt-slavery type dealio

If pets are poor black sharecroppers and Atlas/AAA/IT/Solar/Xdeath are white slave owners, what does that make goons

[Malaclypse]

If pets are poor black sharecroppers and Atlas/AAA/IT/Solar/Xdeath are white slave owners, what does that make goons

Indians stuffed in CR reservoire?

[Permanente]

If pets are poor black sharecroppers and Atlas/AAA/IT/Solar/Xdeath are white slave owners, what does that make goons

mexicans

[Alex Clomsaver]

I think its more like the post 1865 sharecropping debt-slavery type dealio

You know, you are actually right, thanks for bettering my analogy.

[secshunayt]

That first chunk of quotes has me scratching my head. Are they being non-ironic? Does that guy actually think he is getting rich off insurance? And does the second guy actually think that cascading and reforming some months later will work?

Roleplaying as idiots indeed.

[Butter Dog]

every time i read ill-informed crocodile tears about the loss of CVA in Providence, I chuckle

Alex, have you spend ANY time in Providence? The place was just like any other powerblocs space, there was nothing 'special' about it apart from the fact they would happily camp a single vagabond into a system for 3 days with 200 people

[Butter Dog]

FCON: easily the best holders, better than CVA, better than us probably relative to their size

I really, really like them and hope they will switch sides to us and not cascade

[Alex Clomsaver]

every time i read ill-informed crocodile tears about the loss of CVA in Providence, I chuckle

Alex, have you spend ANY time in Providence? The place was just like any other powerblocs space, there was nothing 'special' about it apart from the fact they would happily camp a single vagabond into a system for 3 days with 200 people

Other than the fact that they granted 0.0 access to otherwise unaligned entities. Which is a lot more important than any whines about "blobbing" that the PVP crew has the entire rest of 0.0 to deal with in.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Also you don't know what the phrase crocodile tears means, which shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

[Butter Dog]

Other than the fact that they granted 0.0 access to otherwise unaligned entities. Which is a lot more important than any whines about "blobbing" that the PVP crew has the entire rest of 0.0 to deal with in.

You don't really know much about Providence, do you

[Rotor]

e
Alex, have you spend ANY time in Providence? The place was just like any other powerblocs space, there was nothing 'special' about it apart from the fact they would happily camp a single vagabond into a system for 3 days with 200 people

Provi wasn't anything like any other region in the game. The number of easy targets you could find was fantastic and you wouldn't find that many people to gank anywhere in eve.

[Alex Clomsaver]

You don't really know much about Providence, do you

I just plain old don't care about blobbing. The fact is that the end of CVA domination of Providence also is the end of NRDS in 0.0, at least for the near future.

[Butter Dog]

I just plain old don't care about blobbing. The fact is that the end of CVA domination of Providence also is the end of NRDS in 0.0, at least for the near future.

Except that CVA ran their particulary heavy-handed vision of NRDS within a forced standings enclave, meaning if you were neutral and moved in, you had to follow their ROE and only shoot targets they had set red, or you would be set red very quickly yourself. This is not a recipie for attracting anything other than fodder and uber-bears, anyone with even the slightest ambition would find it suffocating, which goes a long way to explaining the quality of Providence holders generally speaking.

Filling a region with thousands of useless bears who drop and run at the first sign of trouble isn't that great an achievement in my view, though I repsect CVA's focus and how much time they invested building up the infrastructure. Providence COULD be a great region for ambitious corps and alliances to build up and get their first real taste of 0.0 - but that is not something which happened under CVA's watch.

I'm just praying AAA or UK don't decide to rent it out, would REALLY REALLY piss me off - because I do agree that Providence should remain different, though not the same as it is now. I might be able to stop UK doing that if my corp protested hard enough, but you never know, AAA might see the money (cos you could make a fuckload of ISK renting out all those stations) and there is nothing we could do about that apart from impotently rage

[Sircussalot]

stuff

Apparently the people up top are rich as shit due to the titan construction they had back during sov 4 so I'd say the whole thing was a success in that regard.

[Cippalippus]

the only thing i gathered from this thread: lol rikeka is in AAA

[R0ze]

I'm just praying AAA or UK don't decide to rent it out, would REALLY REALLY piss me off

So bassically all your poasts till far about greater-NRDS are kinda without actual ground ..

[Butter Dog]

So bassically all your poasts till far about greater-NRDS are kinda without actual ground ..

Not without ground, I think based on discussions we've had that the vision of NRDS I've outlined is the most likely - but you never know how things will turn out.

[Rikeka]

the only thing i gathered from this thread: lol rikeka is in AAA

The humanity!

I'm just praying AAA or UK don't decide to rent it out, would REALLY REALLY piss me off - because I do agree that Providence should remain different, though not the same as it is now.

From what I heard, everyone will be pretty much to do what they want in Prov.
AAA will reset everyone on it, though.

[Faife]

every time i read ill-informed crocodile tears about the loss of CVA in Providence

"tears" != "crocodile tears"

From what I heard, everyone will be pretty much to do what they want in Prov.
AAA will reset everyone on it, though.

everyone?

or everyone except u'k?

[Panem]

Ooh, we famous!

Does that guy actually think he is getting rich off insurance?

Yes, because we've been living in a region that's crap for making ISK, and have been fighting non-stop for pretty much 2 months now; seriously, I was waiting for my BC to die to insure my next one :P

[Endie]

everyone?

or everyone except u'k?

Butter Dog has repeatedly said everyone except UK. I'm not sure he isn't in for a bit of a nasty shock, there: AAA might well feel that they've repaid any debt by handing over an entire region, and that they'd rather have more targets for nice, roaming PvP instead.

That said, as has been repeatedly pointed out, the only way that his vision of a NRDS Providence will work is if UK is actually on the same side as the other corps and alliances they invite into Providence against the people who roam there most (and thus UK become CVA Mk 2). If they're just pimping out targets to AAA then the whole idea is hilariously bad.

[Faife]

Ooh, we famous!

Yes, because we've been living in a region that's crap for making ISK, and have been fighting non-stop for pretty much 2 months now; seriously, I was waiting for my BC to die to insure my next one :P

i thought it was amusing you guys were more emo about your mining OPs than about losing the region.

or at least your forums were, if anyone has great bits of alliance chat, feel free to post them

[Butter Dog]

Butter Dog has repeatedly said everyone except UK. I'm not sure he isn't in for a bit of a nasty shock, there: AAA might well feel that they've repaid any debt by handing over an entire region, and that they'd rather have more targets for nice, roaming PvP instead.

That said, as has been repeatedly pointed out, the only way that his vision of a NRDS Providence will work is if UK is actually on the same side as the other corps and alliances they invite into Providence against the people who roam there most (and thus UK become CVA Mk 2). If they're just pimping out targets to AAA then the whole idea is hilariously bad.

Although not beyond the realms of possiblity (and what is?) AAA resetting UK is horrendously unlikely, for various reasons. About as likely as MM resetting RZR.

I also totally disagree with the assertion that we have to run Providence like CVA for it to 'work'. If you are defining providence 'working' as being filled with hordes of useless bears AKA CVA citadel and holders, thats not the kind of Providence anyone in UK wants to see. Its a vast region, with fuckloads of upgradeable space right next to empire. Prime dominion real estate for a young alliance, not being blue to AAA and having to deal with the odd roaming gang is not going to cocern anyone who isn't utterly fucking terrible

[Faife]

Although not beyond the realms of possiblity (and what is?) AAA resetting UK is horrendously unlikely, for various reasons. About as likely as MM resetting RZR.

you are nothing like RZR compared to MM. it'd be like Goons resetting ZAF. still unlikely, but one can hope.

and the reason providence was target rich was cause CVA actively fought to protect the neutrals there. in your plan you won't, ergo there won't be neutrals. stop pretending this isn't true. it's not like you speak for the alliance anyways, and it's not like you won't just rent the stations out in a few months anyways, while pretending that that "3D FOR SALE" name was a joke all along, ha ha, but sure we'll sell it to you

[Panem]

i thought it was amusing you guys were more emo about your mining OPs than about losing the region.

Extremely dedicated and serious mining director + membership who want to pew pew = Emo-rage II: attack of the veldspar

i.e. the 'escort' fleet was off ganking stuff in HED about half an hour after form up

[Butter Dog]

you are nothing like RZR compared to MM.

I didn't say we were 'like' RZR and MM, I said that the chances of a reset were about as similar.

[Sircussalot]

Extremely dedicated and serious mining director + membership who want to pew pew = Emo-rage II: attack of the veldspar

I know how we will get better participation, lets call a mining op!!!

[Wusti]

I hate extreme roleplayers purely on principle - so seeing the death of the CVA arrogance and bullshit won't see a tear from me - but having Providence as EVEs adventure theme park with lovely rides as opposed to the "ghost train" - hmmm I'll get back to you on that one.

[Murr]

, I said that the chances of a reset were about as similar.

Why? Seriously, I was thinking about it and couldn't find a single reason that would explain such a close relationship as to the comparison you made.

[Butter Dog]

Why? Seriously, I was thinking about it and couldn't find a single reason that would explain such a close relationship as to the comparison you made.

Um, well over the last 12 months the relationship between AAA and UK has changed beyond all recognition. We use same voice comms, we're highly integrated, and though i think this is sometimes to the detriment of UK (our FC's are horrendously rusty as we're always flying under AAA FC's) it does bring of course immense strategic benefits and is overall a very good thing.

Also we're not a terrible ally at all, we always pull out good numbers relative to our size for CTA's etc, and with the odd exception we know how to fly and fit our e-ships.

In Dominion, numbers really matter. AAA are very much the senior partner of the relationship, but we pull out enough numbers of people on joint ops, in decent enough ships, to actually be quite a valuable ally.

[Malaclypse]

I hate extreme roleplayers purely on principle - so seeing the death of the CVA arrogance and bullshit won't see a tear from me - but having Providence as EVEs adventure theme park with lovely rides as opposed to the "ghost train" - hmmm I'll get back to you on that one.

*tztztz* I hope for you Zarnie won't read this thread. :P

[ThemePending]

during our (rote kapelle) road trip to providence, FCON were easly the most competant people around. We wardeced ~5 residents over 3-4 weeks

mostly because they knew when to fight or fuckoff and not give us the satisfaction

[Faife]

We use same voice comms, we're highly integrated, and though i think this is sometimes to the detriment of UK (our FC's are horrendously rusty as we're always flying under AAA FC's) it does bring of course immense strategic benefits and is overall a very good thing.

funny, i read that as "we use AAAs voice comms, obey AAA CTA requests, and it's a detriment to our FCs who are not allowed to lead AAA fleets and lack the initiative to run U'K only ones"

[Butter Dog]

funny, i read that as "we use AAAs voice comms, obey AAA CTA requests, and it's a detriment to our FCs who are not allowed to lead AAA fleets and lack the initiative to run U'K only ones"

It's not funny that you read it like that, because thats pretty much what i wrote