lolOriginally Posted by ripper van
lol
I never thought I'd say this, but riverini actually posts more coherently than you.
Your solution to the problems you see, which for the record not everyone else, not even most apparently, do, is to in essence pray for divine intervention. You are reduced to the level of of a fundamentalist religion, calling upon the gods to smite foes that you yourself can do no more than fulminate against in text and perhaps die horribly when fighting in person.
This makes slightly more sense than normal, considering that CCP does in fact have that degree of power in theory (in practice, as noted, that's not going to be effective), but on the other hand it ignores the fallout; if CCP decides to actually do what you suggest, then what do you think will happen? How many of the 40,000 will quit in disgust at this blatant abuse of power? How much bad press do you think it would garner? Not just because of the abuse of power, but because it would mean CCP would be forced to admit, once and for all, that they have completely lost control of their creation and don't understand how it works. They'd become more reviled than SOE is overnight.
there is no divine intervention, this is how our society works. Protective statements wont ever work at any court of this earth, why should they work in a game like eve? I mean, with a little knowledge of the game, you are able to recognize whats going wrong, I believe in CCP they can also, as the slope we have now is more than obvious.
uhm... 10? 100 maybe?
I would prefer calling this correction procedure
well, better they admit the situation run out of control than let the status quo persist and hope things sort themselves out one day.
In Chaos Theory, there’s a concept known as sensitive dependence on initial conditions. Most people call it the butterfly effect. In Eve, we call it the sandbox...
... UNLESS you choose to ally with too many people. In that case, we follow you home and kill your dog.
Except nobody but you recognizes it. You have to head over to COAD to find people who get on board with this theory, and that's never a good sign.
And this whole "protective statements" shit? What do you think NATO and the African Union, are? What do you think the Warsaw Pact was? They're alliances. They have treaty obligations that are considered legally binding and recognized by the courts.
Similarly, simple, functional non-aggression agreements based on not being able to kill the other side with reliability or because you'll both be gutted anyways have existed before. We had the Cold War. That has nothing to do with "protective statements" and everything to do with practicality. A war without a winner, a messy war, mass causalities on both sides, benefits no one.
If CCP were to literally attempt to force two factions to fight, they would be a laughingstock of the MMO community. It'd get coverage in the gaming press for sure, and that coverage would be very negative. People would quit in droves, because the sandbox is gone.
And worse, it wouldn't work. People would simply not log in. They'd show fight and pursue other objectives. They'd sham up renter alliances to contain their main power and use them for other purposes. They'd simply move into other corps, other alliances, and make those the grand powers of the game rather than fight a war mandated by the GMs.
This entire line of thought is hideously, intensely stupid, and a more sure way to kill the game than any other I've ever seen.
This like 2 years ago all over again. Which is just how the EVE null-sec cycle works.
3 Years ago it was all MAX damage and how Space Napoleon would rule us all under an iron grip.
2 years ago everyone talked about how NC, Goons PL and RA had 75% of EVE blue and certain PL members almost bit down on their own bullet in boredom.
Last year around this time everyone was saying that BoB&co (IT, -A-, Atlast etc.) had 75% of EVE blue as they tried their MAX 2 campain.
Now back to 2 years ago. Guess which way it will swing next :P
I thought the same thing. Holy fucking hell, we found someone worthy of the G. Beck award for the advancement of rampant stupidity.
Again.
Quoted to preserve it, in case you eventually realize how monumentally stupid it was.
you must not like my opinion, its just how I think about the situation.
incredible unbelieveable excuses, its like you're being caught next to a shot, dead man with a gun in your hand and telling the police you just was walking your dog there. Or putting 500 dudes in one system where goons are clusterfucking the crap, telling everyone else you're ratting there. This was actually related to the dude, who brought the "evidence" aspect into the discussion, how to proof alliances working with other alliances together.
Wow. You essentially want CCP to force the sandbox kids to conform to the play style you think is most appropriate? That's a great idea.
If you want people limited to in how many people they can bring or join with at any one time perhaps you should go try one of the many heavily sharded MMO's out there?
You realize you're getting mad at people for working together to achieve greater things in a category of games solely designed to allow for such things right? Simply because they apparently have met with much more success than you.
invincible masses of people are bad for the gameplay and should be stopped.. mmhhkay?
So this ripper van guy wants to take the eve sandbox and fill it with quickdry cement. Is that about the gist of it? I CBA to read his blither all the way through.
Invincible? Really?
Have fun fighting your straw man, you've strayed from reality.
I am invincible.
im not going to convince you about the reality, I dont care how you perceive yours
I've lived in the South for my entire Nullsec career, so I've never really come into contact with the Northern Coalition. I haven't joined them or fought them, so I have no real reason to like them or dislike them. The question I have is "Why all the hate towards them?" Why does everyone seem to care so much about what they do? Is it just rage that somewhere out there there are people playing the game that can't be ganked and griefed with minimal risk and effort?
It really is starting to sound like a group of people managed to get together enough manpower and guns to build a sandcastle and protect it from getting kicked over by the bullies on the beach, and now the bullies are gathering to howl "Why God? Why would you allow this to happen?"
You care so little you have to post to say you don't care.
The NC has been in the same regions before Delve 1, making them the most stable entity in Eve. Lots of angsty nerds dislike stability in their VIOLENT HARSH SPACE MMO. Same reason poor people hate the rich really.
exactly this ^^ maybe only that little
The current state of the NC means you can easily dominate any other coalition in Eve, to the point where the two other coalitions left in the game (AAAStainwagon and DroneRussians) wouldn't stand a chance, even if they combined forces. That doesn't mean CCP should interfere, doing so would completly ruin the sandbox experience of Eve. It just means a lot of people are going to have to give up on the whole sov warfare aspect on Eve, but the sov warfare mechanics are so shitty that's hardly a big loss anyway.
List of historical invincible EVE entities:
Band of Brothers
Mercenary Coalition
Pandemic Legion (Fountain Edition)
Northern Coalition
Jesus Christ trying to keep the memory of PL's little foray into the North in my head at the same time as this announcement that the North is invincible makes my head hurt. The useless faggots flying shit fit ratting drakes who don't even primary properly because they care more about killmail whoring are the future leadership of the NC. They'll find some stupid drama to reset each other over.
Currently undefeated in a long term campaign is not invincible. It just means no one has accomplished it yet. The two are very different.
The NC: So invincible PL killed dozens of supercapitals in a few months!
ccp should work with incentives. Dynamic truesec for example. Make it possible to farm regions dry while other less used regions have growing resources
KKM - Kugutsumen Karma Mafia
There's no coalition left in Eve to attack you. At best the Drone Russians can defend themselves. That doesn't mean there won't ever be one in the future, but right now, the NC is invincible as far as sov warfare goes, at least when it comes to defence wars. That doesn't mean you can't lose fights, and highly competent groups like PL can still kill your fleets and lone supers, but they stand no chance of taking you on in a sov war.
no man swimmed across the atlantic yet, it just means no one has accomplished it yet. But its still theoretically possible.
no one will ever beat the roman empire....
Oh wait
KKM - Kugutsumen Karma Mafia
Ripper you are so far out of touch with reality that if I knew you in person. I would petition the court to have you committed. Just because the NC values their allies as friends and not as pets to shit on at the first chance. Does not mean that CCP should or even will implement your idea. It's stupid and reeks of pure jealousy. You are either crazy or a moron maybe just a little of both.
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o.O
Friends? What the fuck is this? Friends are those, who are set blue by some few asshats. You cant decide who is your "friend" and who isnt lol... Yesterday he was a red, tomorrow its maybe your "BFF", what the fuck are you trying to tell me about friends in a MMO?
Throughout history every "invincible" entity has inevitably collapsed. The same will hold true for the NC. So just sit back, leave them alone, and the NC regional sub-groups (DC, MAGE, MM + pets, and Razor +pets) will turn on each other or lose their fighting ability.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Oho, I see it now.
Ripper is mad because he doesn't have friends, so he thinks that friendship should be banned because other people having friends makes him sad and that ruins his EVE.
Here let me explain how this works for you. You are engaged in a prolonged conflict or you have small skirmishes against said hostile alliance. Eventually he has no home for whatever reason. And in your dealings with them you see that they are competent or will fit within your social structure. And you offer them friendship. It wasn't that long ago that Amok. was red to Goonswarm. And now they are a valued corporation with Goonswarm Federation. The way you would have it is asinine and ass backwards.
The tl:dr is mutual respect gains friends who become allies.
Aren't GoonSwarm Federation also blue to Stella Polaris and OWN though? Are those your "friends", or alliances you were forced to put blue as part of the NC package deal?
Seriously though Amok. should stop posting.
I am not the one, who understands blue lists as friendships. You are.
in small scale you're right, but in the scale, we are talking about in this thread, there are no friendships, just blue standinds.
There's no change that CCP can make that will reverse the trend to agglomeration short of getting rid of sov 0.0 entirely. They could cap the size of the coalitions by artificially fragmenting 0.0 (eg make it impossible to cyno or bridge from one 0.0 region to another, with the only routes being through hi-sec). This isn't a problem for CCP to solve. It's a reality for us to deal with, and perhaps ask CCP to cater for our special requirements.
Yes, let's assume. That'll go well.
Seriously, at this point, if I could negrep you so hard you stopped posting, I would.
People who think CCP wants to change the game because it's "become stagnant" need to take a look at sov maps for the past few months then compare them to a few months of sov maps from previous years. Regions have been changing hands at record pace with dominion. I guess "0.0 is stagnant" in the same way "Supercaps never die"
It's not that it's "OK", I'm saying it's that it's inevitable. It's just that it's inherent to the environment of completely connected resource rich territory.
You might as well complain that waves wash over sandcastles when the tide comes in.
The reason to "hate" them is that their version of 0.0 isn't really very much fun - at least not from the perspective of most of the people posting here. It's like playing command and conquer, and it's fun, and then you win, and then you're playing sim city. For ever. Sim City is kind of fun, but it's not the same.
Some people like to build empires, some people prefer tearing them down. Looks like the former is winning Eve.
ichigo is like the NC now fucking amazeballs
no, again. They're building an indestructible block, whats really bad for the game.
Empire is that way btw -> Jita. There is already one, no need to build another.
I've loved this game ever since I started playing it, and it is my sincere opinion that even though things seem stagnant for some, I seriously doubt the waters will ever clear.
I am a member of the NC, but due to RL issues I can rarely log on. I only have time to skim some forums and set some skills running, try and catch up on anything from sites and friends. I can honestly tell you that for a simple carebear like me, what happened in the north was definetly not boring. I guess that people who live in that...em..."parasitic" way( it sounds real nasty when you say it, but baiting supercapitals, hunting for ratters seems rather exciting...for people who have the time) not having wars is kind of a bummer.
Talking about facts, and especially power projection, could someone please offer an estimate regarding the number of supercarriers and titans that the North or the other remaining powers can quickly jump in field within their borders and reaches? I *missed* the big battles, the most i've seen in field were a dozen titans...
BoB was indestructible.
Oh wait.
Well if it's indestructible don't bother attacking it or defending against it. No sir. It's invincible.
Fuckin' right on. This thread is pretty much the biggest heap of shit on this forum at the moment. Bunch of stupid theory crafting douche baggery ITT
Where do I start negrepping ripper van's posts? So many to choose from, any suggestions?
BoB was around 3k people + GBC, maybe 6k-7k people in total or something. They occupied 2 regions, in comparison to BoB, the NC block consists from 40k-60k people, wtf are you comparing there?
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